A good friend of TFB, Val, who is also one of our Russian translators, sent us photos of his new Mosin. He wrote …

Though i could share the project which i’ve finished for myself, a totally rebuilt 1944 Mosin-Nagant Rifle. I did all the work myself. The rifle was totally renewed. This included a lot of welding and manufacturing of new elements was done. The Project is described on Mosin Nagant modders forum. It utilizes detachable magazines from Archangel Mosin rifle stock (triggerguard was custom made)

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I am very proud of it.

Great job Val!

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  • iksnilol

    Any accuracy reports? It looks nice at least.

  • Anonymoose

    I’m not a fan of the plastic mag, but other than that it looks pretty cool. How effective is that brake?

    • iksnilol

      It is detachable and cheap… + I haven’t heard people having issues with it. Way quicker than singleloading for sure.

      • Anonymoose

        Yeah, I get that. Plastic and wood just look funky together.

        • iksnilol

          Ouch, point taken.

        • John Yossarian

          Wood magazines!

          • Michael Guerin

            Val,nice job. Enjoy your creation

          • Anonymoose

            Back in the day they used to put .30-06 and .50 belts in wooden boxes instead of the ammo cans we know today. Not quite the same thing as a wood mag though. :l

  • MacK

    Luepy Mk8 (3k), Custom Stock (1k), Mosin… (99) 😉

  • Let me save 60% of the commenters the trouble.
    (A) Why are you spending $700 to fix up a $100 rifle, that’s just dumb for (personal reasons 1-75)

    (B) OMFG WHAT HAVE YOU DONE YOU DESTROYED A PIECE OF HISTORY!!!!

    • A mass-produced piece of history of which millions of samples are yet in circulation. If he wants to turn or into a back-scratcher, that’s his business.

      • iksnilol

        There’s also millions og M98’s, look at how rare they are. Though I agree, people do go overboard. Though I wouldn’t permanently modify one with matching numbers.

    • Amsdorf

      🙂

      I was thinking more along the lines of (A) than (B).

      Thanks for getting these comments out of the way.

      My main thought is: His rifle, his choice. It is a relatively cheap way to enjoy some backyard gunsmithing.

    • explorer

      He did it because he wanted to do it !

    • Matthew

      Hehe, I bought a cheap Mosin for specifically the reason to get me started in gunsmithing. I did a cut/crown job, trigger job, added a scout-scope on the underlying dovetail (I didn’t go down the road of tapping holes above the action however), and I also refinished and chopped the stock down to free-float the barrel. All that’s left to do is re-blue it.
      Granted it’s got cheap accessories, but again, it’s just for ‘smithing practice, nothing fancy…

    • phil

      There ain’t much you can do to a $99 rifle to hurt its value.

      • Ben

        There was a time when gun stores sold lugers for a few dollars a peice.

  • Cameron Bissell

    You did a great job, a Mosin isn’t my go to rifle if I was sporterizing, but then again I also have a hard time with dropping 10k on a 900 civic for drifting, or the same amount to make a rock crawler out of a perfectly good f250

  • Swarf

    Alright, how do I give my Mosin a detachable mag without having to use that ugly AA9130 stock?

    Boyds has a nice looking stock for $60. That with detachable mags would be a nice project for my 1944 that I’ve already welded a home made bent bolt on.

    BTW, I also have two others. One if them is a 1927 hex reciever Tula that– I promise you all– will remain Nyet Rifle Is Fine, but I have no qualms about modding a 1944 Izchevsk round reciever.

    • iksnilol

      They used a custom trigger guard from what I understand.

  • Brian M

    Soooo, what kind of performance?

  • Adam aka eddie d.

    Guys, please, stop with the “omahgawd, spending $200/500/700 on a $200 rifle” bandwagon already. It’s just so boring and overplayed for one (if you don’t like it, why even bother with a Mosin rebuild post, so you can frown maybe?) , and two, it’s just such an erroneous and lame argument.

    I. 7.62x54R surplus is way cheaper than anything in its league,
    that’s enough in itself. The amount of money you spend on ammunition
    is way more important, than what you spend on the platform that shoots it, if you want to do any significant amount of practice/fun shooting.
    You can buy a freaking .338 Lapua Savage for the $800 spent here.
    And? Can you buy the ammo for it?

    It is not the gun that’s important, it’s the AMMO that it shoots.

    II. The above mentioned surplus is not just cheap, it’s reasonably accurate too,
    if it’s fired from a decent Mosin build.
    Perfectly enough for the average shooter’s needs.

    III. 7.62x54R is a nice and potent cartridge, somewhere between 7.62 NATO and .300 Win Mag.

    You’re not just getting a ton of ammo for your money that’s capable of decent accuracy, but it also packs a serious punch too.

    For this “$800” you get a nice rifle that shoots nice, feels nice and a metric s%!t ton of perfectly fine practice ammo.

    Starting to make more sense?

    • iksnilol

      Not that I disagree or anything but I believe 54R is closer to 7.62 NATO than it is to .300 Win Mag. I think it’s between 7.62 NATO and 30-06 in performance.

      Regarding ammo, that surplus stuff is MG ammo. You can get decent accuracy, just don’t expect sub MOA or something. Though it depends what you’re doing and your skill level. For plinking and whatnot it’s perfectly acceptable. For stuff that demands more accuracy, better start reloading.

      • Paul White

        and .308/7.62 is pretty cheap too.

        The ammo cost argument doesn’t hold up to me personally; I don’t shoot hard kicking centerfires tons and the several hundred dollar difference between a savage 110 and this would buy a *lot* of ammo….but some people enjoy tinkering and that is 100% fine. I do it on some stuff myself. It’s not always about saving money.

        • Tassiebush

          The sums favouring this may well work significantly better in Russia (making big assumption that Val lives in Russia). But yeah sometimes it’s about the tinkering. Personally I’d face a bit of difficulty feeding one down here but the fast bolt and robustness of one has appeal.

      • Anonymoose

        Everyone repeats this over and over again. If you look at the stats, mil-spec 7.62×51 NATO (from a 24″ barrel) actually comes up about the same as mil-spec 7.62x54R (from a 29″ barrel), but you can handload the 54R to outperform .308 hunting loads (if you’ve got some brass on hand and haven’t just been shooting steel-case), but .30-06 hunting loads will still blow these all out of the water. .300 Win Mag absolutely destroys .308, 54R, and .30-06. The only way in which 54R compares to .300 WM is the report (which is slightly louder but a lot shorter).

    • Kelly Jackson

      It doesn’t make a ton of sense to have a $2,500 scope on this gun, no.

      • iksnilol

        If it shoots well, then why not?

    • John Yossarian

      $175 – Hex 91/30 (1933 Ishvesk) w/ Rock Solid Scope Mount and Bent Bolt Handle already installed
      $175 – Archangel Stock
      $100 – Timney Trigger
      $10 – YHM Flash Hider
      $800 – Bushnell Tactical Elite 3-12x Scope

      To stiffen the barrel, I cut it to 20″ before recrowning (11 degrees) and threading. Not sure of the cost involved, since I already had the Manson Precision crowning tool and the CNC Warrior thread cutter from an earlier project.

      Results: $460 for the rifle, $800 on optics.

      Shooting sling-supported, from prone:

      2.5 MOA tested to 300 yds w/ surplus ammunition
      1 MOA tested to 200 yds w/ Hornady Vintage Match

      To whit, I also got 1.5 MOA with the Silver Bear 174 grain BTHP. Haven’t tried handloads yet, but I’m curious how much more performance I can eek out.

      Either way, $460 for a tactical bolt rifle capable of at least 1 MOA with match ammo is obviously nothing to sneeze at.

      Now consider that it shoots 2.5 MOA all day long with cheap surplus. That could get you onto a man-sized target at 800 yards. And what is the effective range of 7.62x54R anyways?

      • Tothe

        The effective range would be “How far away can you be and still lob bullets on-target consistently?” Sounds to me like 800+ yards with that rifle.

  • Adam aka eddie d.

    Val, congrats to the build, it looks awesome!
    The custom trigger guard is a great idea.
    There are a couple of fixed magazine options for the Mosin,
    but they’re very pricey for what they are.
    The Archangel plastic mags are relatively cheap and I haven’t read any complaints about them so far.
    Actually, it’d be really nice if they were offering a replacement trigger guard for other Mosin synthetic stocks.
    The Archangel stock is nice, but some guys prefer simpler/lighter/different looking stocks.

  • Fred Johnson

    Very nice work! Best looking modified Mosin I’ve seen. 🙂

  • Taylor TX

    That thing is epic, definitely one of the coolest Mosins I can recall.
    Random Thought: That cup looks just like the Nespresso ones my wife bought recently.

  • Zugunder

    I wonder what does it take to own such a rifle in Russia? Seriously, I would like to have myself some mosin.

  • BearSlayer338

    Of all the rifles to customize the Mosin would be the last one I thought of.

    • SirOliverHumperdink

      ‘the last one’? You are limited in your knowledge of surplus rifles. The last one should be something that fires ‘impossible’ to obtain ammo with no available replacement parts, much less aftermarket goodies..like a Vetterli, Daudeteau Dovitiis Mauser M1871/94,or a MAS.

      • BearSlayer338

        The Mosin is the least accurate combat rifle it is poor choice to customize unless it is going to be a wall hanger. Lee Enfield,K98,or K31 would be much better choices.

        • Tothe

          Guys can get 1 MOA from a Mosin. That’s good enough for me.

          • BearSlayer338

            Only if you get a good one most can’t do that.

  • birda

    I love it , very impressed.

  • andrey kireev

    very nice job ! It looks better than full-archangel kit ones by far !

  • Great rifle to learn smithing on, cheap, plentiful, and really in need of improvement.
    And I love the laminated stock…….

  • Cal_Grimalkin

    Like anything, beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

    you also might say that utility also lies in the mind of the user.

    True, someday, Mosin Nagant rifles may be considered expensive collector rifles, and collectors will bemoan the dearth of examples available for their collections.

    But, there is another aspect to firearms collecting that many people do not consider. GIven the state of national and world politics, how do we know that 5 or 10 years down the road, firearms ownership will not be so restrictive that only the very richest people with political connections will be able to own any firearms.

    Even now, the current washington administration is manipulating international trade deals and arms agreements that could very easily bring a defacto end to our second amendment rights.

    Think it can’t happen here?

    All that being said, I say, it’s your money, spend it the way you want.

  • Duhnmharu

    A wonderfiul job of putting an old war horse back in the saddle and making it more useful. What is the trigger like the old Moisin had a terrible trigger

  • BearSlayer338

    That’s pretty poor compared to other WWII bolt action rifles.

  • Jamie Clemons

    Looks nice. Someone really needs to come up with a decent side scope mount so you can still use stripper clips.

  • Jamie Clemons

    I love the wood stock. Too much plastic these days.

  • Muscoe

    Great job! Would like to see more pictures.

  • Bryan Brah

    Modding, hacking, Bubba-ing, whatever, surplus military bolt-action rifles is nothing new, it was even done on a commercial scale by several importers in the 50s and 60s. For many years the Enfield was the platform of choice to “sporterize,” but that pretty much ended when the last of
    the Indian and Pakistani surplus .303 dried up in the 90s.

    To elaborate on a point that “Adam aka eddie d” made, The biggest advantage of the M-N over other platforms is the fact that
    the 7.62x54R still being used by numerous countries as a front-line
    cartridge and is readily available as [somewhat] fresh surplus in
    addition to being commercially loaded by most ammunition manufacturers worldwide.

    The fact that some 37 million Mosin-Nagant rifles have been produced since 1891 (according to wikipedia) means that we’re going to be seeing these rifles on the surplus market for a long long long time. “Yeah, yeah, that’s what they used to say about _____ (insert favorite surplus bolt-action military rifle here).” The difference however is in most cases an order of magnitude or more. Consider that only 1.3 million Springfields were made, or that more than twice the number of Mosins were built than its nearest competitor, the Enfield at 17 million and you begin to see that we’ll have to chop a whole helluva lot of Mosins to put even a modest dent in the supply. In fact, clean, shootable (mixmaster) 91/30s and Type-53s can be had for as little as $80 retail if you’re willing to dig a bit.

    However, the most innovative thing about Val’s build is not his choice of the M-N platform, but rather the custom DBM that uses Archangel mags. This innovation eliminates the primary advantage the SMLE had over the M-N for building a budget “tactical/scout/hunting/sporter/target” rifle. Modern shooters prefer, even demand, that any rifle be magazine-fed, even if a magazine is less efficient than the original loading system (thus the proliferation of goofy “duck-bill” mags for the SKS), but I digress. An efficient and reliable detachable magazine system for the Mosin-Nagant platform would take the American firearms accessory market by storm! I believe that it could sell for almost as much as the Archangel stock, particularly for those interested in building “real” precision rifles. ARE YOU LISTENING ProMag?

    Thanks and congratulations to Val for an AWESOME build!

  • RPK

    I had a Chinese T-53 Mosin-Nagant given to me. I was told it was actually a VietNam “bring back” weapon. From the looks of it, I can believe it. I spent less than $40.00 on a composite stock. After cleaning out the bore and wiping it down, and then checking the head space clearance, it fires fine. Not an all day shooter, but definitely fun and the cost…no complaint. If this gentlemen wants to make his Mosin-Nagant into a shrine, that is his business. Looks super!

  • maodeedee

    That’s the nicest Mosin I’ve ever seen. Good job! I would agree with the “destroying a piece of History: argument if it was one of the few Non-Sporterized K98 Mausers, Springfields, 1917 Enfields. P-14 Enfields, Arisaka, or SMLE’s or even a Finnish Mosin but this one ain’t none of the above.

  • Val

    Hello Everyone.

    Thank you for your comments – and for the warm words.

    Actually we’ve done 3 Mosins at a time:
    1. 18″ bbl, laminate stock, detachable magazine
    2. 18″ bbl, laminate stock, internal magazine
    3. 26″ bbl wood painted stock, detachable magazine

    All rifles were hand-picked from the pile, bores were measured with gauges and rifles were test-fired. from 7 only these 3 were taken as donors.

    All hand welded “bridge” on the rear of the receiver, relocated bolt handle, re-done rear of receiver (rear screw is now vertical) picatinny rail welded on, muzzle brake on the end of the barrel. bedding on the stocks and Timney triggers (FTW!)

    Rifles shoots civilian 7N1 and Extra70 rounds in 1MOA,

    Main reason for the conversion were that in Russia
    a. reloading is +- in the gray zone (not clearly allowed by law)
    b. cheapest 308 round with normal bullet costs 1$ and normal .308 round is around $3.
    c. Civilian 7N1 is just 50 cents.

    Add that “cheapo” basic Rem700SA SPS Varmint is $1300 and you’ll get the picture.

    I’ve attached pics of these 3 rifles.