POTD: The Smurf Gun

TFB writer Timothy Yan sent us a photo of a Short Barreled AR-15 chambered in 6.5 Grendal he recently shot. The gun was being used to demonstrate the new high capacity 6.5 Grendel steel magazine by Elander. I like it.




Thanks Tim.


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  • TheSmellofNapalm

    Is the Grendel still being praised as a viable intermediate, or has its extremely violent stress on the bolt come to light yet.

    • Dracon1201

      They just need to improve the rifle parts. The cartridge is fantastic.

      • Timothy G. Yan

        Working on a review of the steel case 6.5G for TFB. I shot it out to 1000m with a 14.5-in barrel.

        • DrewN

          I haven’t shot my 14.5 at 1000, but I have zero trouble ringing plates at 600 with 123’s and up. And mine is the zero frills AA upper.

  • Southpaw89

    Something tells me this isn’t a blue training rifle.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    NATO just ordered 500 of these.

    • Phil Hsueh

      You mean the UN? They’re the ones with the blue berets and helmets, not NATO.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Man, I really screwed up that joke.

  • Riot

    Isn’t blue for training rifles?

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Not on Easter.

    • Grindstone50k

      If that’s what your organization designates it as, yes. There’s no law that says so.

  • TDog

    Making guns look like toys, even inadvertently, is a bad idea.

  • Peadair

    I personally think that 6.5mm Grendel is overkill for hunting Smurfs. Hell, 0.22 is probably overkill for something the size of a mouse.

  • Wolfgar

    I have 4 Grendel AR rifles.2-16″ barrels,1-18’barrel and 1-20′ Lilja barrel. I’m in the process of getting a 12.5′ barreled Grendel. The Grendel is my favorite cartridge in the AR platform. I have shot close to 3000 rounds through my rifles and I have had no bolt issues to date. It is a great hunting round and accurate to 1000 yards where I compete at a local precision match. My family hunts almost exclusivly with our Grendels. I can recommend the Grendel from first hand experience.

    • Timothy G. Yan

      For Grendel shooters, need to get the bolt from AA and their new steel mag. The AA bolt is more expensive but it’s made from special steel. The cheap 6.5G bolt offers by others are just milled out 7.62x39mm bolt. There’s at least 1 or 2 companies that offer a properly made 6.5G bolt, and those priced about the same as the AA bolt.

      • Wolfgar

        There are 2 types of bolts for the Grendel. The type 2 is for the original Alexander chamber and the type 1 is used for a 7.62X39 bolt. Make sure you know which chamber the Grendel barrel you are purchasing has so you get the correct bolt and head space.

        • Timothy G. Yan

          NO, you should never use the 7.62×39 bolt in a Grendel.

          • Wolfgar

            I agree, but there are barrel makers out there who sell so called Grendel barrels chambered for the type 1 AK bolt with a .125 spacing vs the Alexander Arms type 2 bolt with a .136 spacing. . This is why Maxim Firearms sells both kinds of bolts. Newbies to the Grendel have had problems with this confusion in the past. Buyer beware!

          • Timothy G. Yan

            Ok, I need to add this info on my up coming write up.

          • Wolfgar

            There are also 2 different chambers being made. The true spec SAAMI Grendel chamber designed by Bill Alexander which has a compound throat and the other is the .264 LBC which some manufactures are calling a Grendel 2 chamber, which has a conventional target lead. Great debate has occurred over which is best and some outright angry name calling has occurred over this debate. I wont even try to get into that fight but I do have both chambers and have had great accuracy with both but have found the original Bill Alexander chamber to be more accurate with varying bullet weights.

    • iksnilol

      I really want a CZ527 switch barrel, one barrel in 7.62×39 and one in 6.5 Grendel (or just a necked down 7.62×39 without the fireforming).

      Problem is, I haven’t really worked with those guns and I haven’t seen any 10 round mags for them.