Has UPS Banned Suppressor Shipments

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According to the NSSF newsletter UPS is no longer shipping suppressors …

NSSF this week learned that UPS had changed its policy regarding the shipment of suppressors. The new policy states that UPS will no longer ship suppressors, even between licensees. NSSF is working with UPS executives to determine what prompted the enforcement of this unwarranted policy. We are unaware of any thefts or losses that would explain the shipping company’s sudden decision to enforce a prohibition against shipment. NSSF will keep you apprised of developments. Separately, NSSF is also working with the U.S. State Department to achieve a policy change to allow export of suppressors.

<sarcasm> I expect they will soon also ban shipments of car mufflers, oil filters and plastic soda bottles. </sarcasm>

Only a fool fears a metal tube.

 



Steve Johnson

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  • Giolli Joker

    Sadly the world (and governments) is full of fools.

  • Yohei556

    What can Brown do for me? Not a damn thing anymore.

    • MR

      Yep, lump them in with “PayPal”.

    • Grindstone50k

      Brown can over-charge and deliver late.

    • MrEllis

      I’d be surprised if you could live without UPS entirely in your life somehow.

      • Yohei556

        Thanks for the idiotic statement. Next time i want something shipped and it gives me options ill choose USPS or FedEx over UPS. I want to ship something, ill drive a little farther and go to FedEx….

        • MrEllis

          So polite and civil! My statement stands.

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            I could live my entire life without UPS. Now, are they convenient for shipping some things? Yes. But they’re not food, air, water, shelter. In fact, I don’t see them anywhere on Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.

          • MrEllis

            So every business you use does not use them? Every product you own has never been touched by them? Every part for repairs?

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            Yes, and we both breathe the same air.

            I can live my entire life without giving UPS my business. I don’t plan to, but I could. There are plenty of options for buyers and shippers. Just as I don’t have any iCrap products. I can survive just fine without them. Does one of my suppliers somewhere use a Mac? Probably. So what?

            You’re being pedantic to the point of tardery.

          • MrEllis

            I’m being obtuse to prove the point of how having a fit in a comment section does absolutely nothing to change something that I doubt ever effected you to begin with. You will use UPS because it’s so prevalent in modern society. So you, and anyone here, pretending you’ll throw up some boycott to show them and stand your ground is absurd. One, no, you won’t, you can’t and two they could care less. Stick to name calling, you’re not very good at sticking it to The Man.

          • RICH

            I don’t know if you ever ship anything Ellis but UPS has done nothing but skyrocketed their fees over the last few years. I used to use them all the time in my busniess but they got wat too expensive. USPS has been a lot more equitable as a shipper and i will continue to use them.
            The world DOES NOT ROTATE AROUND UPS ! ! ! Wake up, Dude ! !

          • MrEllis

            Sigh. I’m not promoting UPS over everything else, just pointing out it’s used, a lot. Disengage internet comment section warrior mode and realize that is all I’ve been saying all along.

      • RICH

        WHY…… ? There’s other shippers that can be used as well as USPS ! If people start protesting a buisness by not patroonizing them maybe they’ll wake up…. maybe not. Regardless if you hurt a business financially they will think about the policies they’ve changed.

        • MrEllis

          I get some people can only think of self and anything beyond them is hard to grasp, but think about every product and service you use or buy. All those people may use UPS, you can’t erase the service from your life entirely by just not using it to order your Skittles and porn.

  • hikerguy

    Obviously there’s an element of “politics” that has brought this on. Perhaps the firearms and sporting industry needs to move on to another delivery business and boycott UPS totally.

  • anon

    Suppressor, what suppressor? That’s just for my art project. What, you have never made art of a metal tube and domes?

  • MrEllis

    Eh, free country. Most likely the metrics said the insurance and procedures cost more than they were making on the business of it. Capitalism in action.

    • Mystick

      That is not capitalism.

      • Grindstone50k

        How is it not?

      • MrEllis

        The market makes demands, not people. Capitalism doesn’t care about suppressors if suppressors do not create capital.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Or more likely, someone in HQ is a complete phaggot and got personally offended. Since suppressors are a tiny part of their business, he made a unilateral call and had no idea those “silencer nuts” would make a stink about it.

      I’m unaware of any additional procedures or insurance that would be involved. Receive package. Ship package. Deliver package. Show proof of delivery.

      • MrEllis

        You’re sort of making the “silencer nuts” case for him if he did. How many suppressors have you had sent via UPS?

  • BattleshipGrey

    Do they x-ray all their packages or were people declaring what they were shipping?

    • Jared

      I would have to say declaring. My continuous glucose monitor says in the directions to not expose it to x-ray and it comes from UPS every time I get a new one without any wording of do not x-ray.

    • FightFireJay

      No, but if ANYTHING goes wrong, your shipping insurance with them will be null and void.

  • Anomanom

    I wonder if there is a liability issue with UPS being “in possession” of a controlled object? That is, that they have the suppressor but not the legal paperwork to possess it? Or if they accidentally deliver it to the wrong person? I don’t know how that works with a delivery carrier.

    • Miles

      No, US Code specifically allows ‘common carriers’ possession of NFA items for shipment purposes.
      IMO, This new policy is political.

      • MrEllis

        How is it political? David P. Abney is far from left. He’s worked with the GOP in the past and is a registered Republican. Are you suggesting the GOP is forcing his hand?

        • Grindstone50k

          GOP isn’t default pro-gun across the board. Trust me, Mary Fallin is my governor.

          • MrEllis

            Fair enough, but which party is more apt to pay lip service to a “pro-gun” agenda.

      • Dixie Shooter

        I have shipped guns and gun parts and nobody ever asked me what was in the package.

  • This is just silly.
    As a dealer though, I can tell you that plain old US Mail has been the best way for me to ship and receive firearms. If you go registered, it is incredibly safe (every employee who touches your shipment has to record that they did).

    • Except that the usps contracts with ups for inter modal shipping service.

      • NikonMikon

        And what does that have to do with shipping suppressors… Are you shipping them overseas? by rail?

      • MrEllis

        For some reason they deleted it, but I put a WSJ piece up about how UPS and FEDEX rely on the USPS to ship a lot of stuff.

  • joethefatman

    More Operation Choke Point?

    • A Storm Is Coming

      EXACTLY.

  • Jake

    Not to nitpick, but the title “Has UPS Bans Suppressor Shipments” might benefit from some revision.

  • Bal256

    I shipped an upper for repair to PSA once with a UPS label. The very next day there was a sign on the UPS office door saying “we do not ship firearms or firearm parts”.

  • Budogunner

    I once sent a suppressor back to the manufacturer for a repair/upgrade. UPS dutifully delivered it to my door after the manufacturer finished the work and shipped it back.

    Problem is, despite being flagged as signature required and as a suppressor the UPS driver just left it on my front porch. Fortunately, I was checking the tracking number frequently and saw the “delivered” message. I hastily made an excuse to my boss of why I had to make a quick trip home and went to secure my Class III item. It was a very tense day.

    I wish they would deregulated suppressors so you could order them through the mail, like in Maxim’s day. As it is, shipping is terrifying. Don’t get me started about the time UPS ‘lost’ a rifle I had shipped to a gunsmith for threading. They delivered a torn-open, empty package flagged as a firearm all the way to the smith without it occurring to anyone that something was off. I had to get the state police and ATF involved on that one. After that, UPS suddenly ‘found’ it.

    • floppyscience

      I’ve ordered a bunch of stuff, including ammo, from UPS that was supposed to require a signature. Not once did they actually take one. Every single package has been left on my doorstep. I really wish I was exaggerating.

      • Dixie Shooter

        If you have ever OK’d UPS or FedEx to leave a package without signing for it, it will apply until you change it yourself. That’s how it is with me.

        • floppyscience

          Nope, I’ve never done that. I’d actually like them to take a signature for once.

          Worth mentioning is that I also frequently get boxes with mashed corners, and two days ago I got an envelope with footprints all over it. Fedex and USPS have never done any of the crap UPS does.

    • Kivaari

      I’ve seen a Maxim suppressor with the shipping tube mailer. What a different world.

    • A Storm Is Coming

      Moral of the Story:

      Avoid using UPS if at all possible. They have lost, damaged, and incorrectly delivered more packages to me over the years than I care to remember.

      One thing that they’re consistent upon – every package I’ve received via UPS has been semi-crushed, or had the UPS ‘signature’ kick-in-the-side-of-the-box trademark…

    • Dixie Shooter

      If you have ever OK’d UPS or FedEx to leave a package without signing for it, it will apply until you change it yourself, or at least that’s what they done to me.

  • Kirk Newsted

    I find this both interesting and confusing. I’ve used UPS and Fedex for years to ship everything from guns to PS3s to shoes. No one at any point has asked me what was in the box, nor did I tell them. Where are these UPS places that ask whats in the box?

  • Mystick

    UPS has no business knowing what it in the package you are paying them too much to ship as long it’s not a HAZMAT.

    • FightFireJay

      Actually, as a private company, they can run it however they see fit. I don’t like it, but it’s their company.

      • MrEllis

        Maybe there would be a service we could use that was mandated by The Constitution we could use? Oh wait there is and we do…

  • Kivaari

    Just wait, FEDEX, UPS and USPS will all join forces to stop lawful commerce. If Choke Point fails they’ll find a new way to discourage business. We still have shipping regulations put in place following the crash of flight 800, even though the DBI said it wasn’t a bomb.

    • A Storm Is Coming

      DHL will ship just about anything….

      • Kivaari

        Didn’t DHL go bankrupt and go away a few years ago? I haven’t seen the yellow trucks anywhere.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      IT’S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!11111

  • A Storm Is Coming

    Sounds like Obama and Eric Holder got to UPS….

  • Greek7

    Why does up’s care? What the hell its a piece of steel. Ups sucks anyway. Way over priced. Boycott ups. Next we can not ship condoms why? People can sue us the trucks get to hot and girl will get pregnant from them melting from the heat of the truck. Some times it’s over 150 ten in there. I know I worked for them. We at up’s don’t want to get sued.

    • Simcha M.

      Apparently, one does not need to pass a grammar test to work at UPS……….

  • Silver Bullet

    Its really simple actually. All of us who are owners of firearms EIGHTY MILLION OF US can just quit using UPS. POWER TO THE PEOPLE>.

  • Jamie Clemons

    Can anyone confirm this story?

  • Jamie Clemons

    Thats not a suppressor its a “solvent trap”

  • Budogunner

    This may be a good place to mention the American Silencer Association. Google them and support them if you can. They are like the NRA-ILA of NFA and backed by the major manufacturers in the industry.

    Silencers are safety devices, after all. If anything, Thai should be REQUIRED by law, like vehicle mufflers.

  • echelon

    “Only a fool fears a metal tube.”

    So what you’re saying is that the entire US Government is a fool? Check. Got it. On this we can agree.

    No politics, just guns – yeah right – not divorcible in this country nor pretty much any other.

  • John Evans

    Boycott baby, boycott.

  • Norm

    I remember in history class about a group of people that were into brown also, Brown Shirt…

  • uisconfruzed

    Is it because the employees are oBummer funding/supporting union goons?

  • Simcha M.

    I rest my case.

  • RICH

    ……Time for everyone to quit shipping with UPS…… ! ! Maybe they won’t like that !