My View Of The New Remington RM380

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Yesterday, on the way home from a USPSA match my friend and I stopped at a local gun store, Anthony Arms. We went there just to look around because we haven’t been there in a long time. By sheer luck, Reps from Remington were there to show off their new RM380 and new defensive ammo. Anthony Arms even has an indoor pistol range underneath their store so I was able to test drive the RM380.

Size wise, the RM380 feels to be similar to the Ruger LCP or S&W Bodyguard. I was leery to test fire the RM380, as my experience with the LCP orΒ  Bodyguard have been less than pleasant. Even my Walther PPK/S is not fun to shoot. I was given 5 rounds of Remington’s new defensive hollow points and for the life of me I can’t seem to recall what they are called at the moment.

Anyway, I walked into the range, set up my target and moved it out about 7 yards. Loaded the RM380, aimed it, and pressed the trigger. To my surprise, there was very little recoil. Hardly anything to really take notice of. The magazine did have the pinky extension. The trigger is double action only but not terrible at all. It was smooth throughout the travel. I noticed that I could prestage the trigger, kind of like a revolver, so that I was at the very cusp of releasing the hammer to make my shots a little more accurate. So I resumed firing the last 4 rounds in the magazine as fast as I could.Β  Here is a picture of my target.

RM380 3

 

Here is a picture of the RM380 next to a R1.

RM380 2

 

Here are the details:

  • Fully functional slide stop. Holds open on last round.
  • Chambered in .380 acp
  • All metal construction (7075 aluminum frame)
  • 410 Stainless Steel Barrel
  • DAO trigger
  • Ambi mag release
  • Checkered front strap and trigger guard undercut.
  • Replaceable grip panels
  • Two 6+1 magazines: one flush and one extended
  • fixed sights contoured to be drag free
  • dual recoil spring
  • Barrel Length: 2.9″ (longest barrel in its class)
  • OAL: 5.27″
  • Weight: 12.2 oz
  • MSRP: $417

 

Remington will also be coming out with a RM380 [AIP]. (Alabama Inaugural Production). It will be two toned with a stainless slide. MSRP will be $465.00

AIP 1

 

The RM380 AIP will also come with a challenge coin.

AIP 2

 

 

I was pleasantly surprised by this little pistol. It was very nice to shoot. My only complaint is the sights and the slide stop. I would have preferred a fiber optic or night sights. The slide stop is flush with the frame which makes it very difficult to move. I found it easier to just grab the slide and rack it than using the slide stop/release.

Phil Note: Of course we posted one of the first reviews of the RM380 not long ago. Check Katie’s review—-RM380.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Bear The Grizzly

    I wouldn’t trust Remington to scoop my dogs poop.

    • Zebra Dun

      I live in the country….I don’t scoop my dogs poop, it makes them mad and my hands stink.
      I do scoop my horses poop but that’s because they only poop in the stable for some idiotic horsey reason or other.
      The Remington if it works would be a fine CCW if it was only a 9 mm Parabellum.

      • ostiariusalpha

        Actually, the Lehigh rounds are pretty damn amazing for as anemic as the .380 ACP is. Very good penetration & a wound channel like any 9mm PDX bullet.

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        “The Remington if it works would be a fine CCW if it was only a 9 mm Parabellum”

        Well, as long as we’re dreaming. If it were reliable and chambered in .500 S&W. it would be useful for playing poker with Kodiaks.

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      Freedom Arms delivers feces and collects cash. Not the opposite.

  • echelon

    Good to know Remington is still taking their design cues directly from KelTec…looks exactly like a P3AT with an R on the grip.

    • Diddy

      Is there another example of Remington “taking their design cues directly from KelTec” that you could point my towards? And if any big names out there want to copy the PMR or RMR, please do so. I’m awfully anxious to buy an RMR. Awfully. Anxious.

      • echelon

        As Charlie pointed out I got my “R”s mixed up. Ruger typically is the one that cribs from KelTec, but it looks like Remington is now in the mix.

        There’s plenty of PMRs out there…not sure that they’ve actually released the RMR yet…if ROC made a PMR or RMR clone I would stay farther away from those than the originals that’s for sure!

    • Charlie

      You must be thinking about Ruger, their LCP is almost a carbon copy of the P3AT, believe they kinda copied the PF-9 also.

      • echelon

        You’re right! I did the “R”s mixed up. So I’ll rephrase and say that it looks like Remington is taking design cues from Ruger who cribbed from KelTec.

        Thanks for catching that. πŸ˜‰

      • floppyscience

        The Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, S&W Bodyguard, and a couple others are P-3AT clones. The Ruger LC9 is a PF-9 clone. The SCCY CPX is a P-11 clone.

        George Kellgren is really good at designing things that are better produced by other manufacturers.

        • Charlie

          Own a PF-9 now that is utterly reliable, traded off a P-3AT that was 100% reliable, son owned a LCP that was a jammer, but I also owned another P-3AT that jammed. Kel-Tec, IMO, makes as good a pistol as anybody.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Kel-Tec makes cheap crap. If you’re lucky enough to get a PF-9 or PF-11 that runs, keep in mind that it’s only meant to go 6,000 rounds before rebuild, KT will rebuild it and send it back for $75. The best KTs are unreliable due to mediocre engineering and horrifically poor quality control. You get what you pay for.

          • floppyscience

            By all means Kel-Tec is capable of making a reliable pistol, they just have terrible quality control. Most of their guns work fine but they definitely have more lemons than most.

    • floppyscience

      This is just a rebranded Rohrbaugh. Remington bought Rohrbaugh last year.The Rohrbaugh is not a Kel-Tec clone and was designed around the same time as the P-3AT.

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        More like a Rohrbortion.

      • echelon

        Good to know. I looked at the R9 and sure enough…

        I usually keep up on industry news but ROC buying Rohrbaugh passed me by I guess!

        I do still think, however, that the ROC version looks KelTec-ish based on maybe “cheaper” looking materials. (At least that’s the way it looks in the pic in the article)

        • floppyscience

          Well the Rohrbaugh’s MSRP was $1200 and the RM380’s is $400, so at the very least there is going to be some very noticeable aesthetic differences.

  • Sianmink

    I’m sure that little bit of extra weight (3oz) from the metal frame makes a difference in recoil. The problem with a lot of the tiny polymer pocket .380s is they’re TOO light.

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      That extra weight can keep you from throwing out your arm when you sling it at a mugger’s head. Or for holding down papers.

  • Darhar M.

    I have nothing against Remington nor .380s but if this was offered
    in 9mm I might be interested.

    • Cal S.

      Might I interest you in a nice, barely fired (*nudge, nudge*) Remington R51?

      πŸ˜‰

      • ostiariusalpha

        Some of those rounds were fired while they were fully chambered even! It’s a truly unique bargain.

      • Andreas Piazza

        But the R51 is boo boo. I wish it wasn’t but they squandered their limited market time and now the G43 gonna put the final nail I’m the coffin.

    • Andrew

      It is. It’s called the Rohrbaugh R9.

  • JL

    According to wikipedia Remington bought Rohrbaugh last year. This looks an awful lot like a Rohrbaugh r9. Not that rebadged Rohrbaugh at almost 1/3 the price isn’t such a bad thing.

    • Beju

      That depends on what exactly was done to meet that price point. If it’s economies of scale, that’s good. If it’s a precipitous drop in quality control, that’s not so good.

    • floppyscience

      The fact that Remington cut 2/3 off the price is what scares me the most about this pistol.

  • Cal S.

    But does it shoot?

    Gotta give them props, though, for not milking their brand name for huge MSRPs like other manufacturers.

    Yes, I’m looking at you, Glock… >.>

    • ostiariusalpha

      Considering the Remington 700 & R51 fiascos, I think they would prefer if people didn’t judge them by the brand name.

    • javierjuanmanuel

      Enough duds and you cannot demand top price anymore.

      Don’t worry, if they have 4 or 5 successful products in a row in a few years, you can count on a good old fashioned wallet raping.

    • Andrew

      Remember when Bushmaster was a “good brand name?” Remember when AAC was a good brand name? Remington is a brand killer, and I won’t be surprised when the RM380 erases every bit of respect anyone ever had for the Rohrbaugh name.

  • John Thayer

    Remington has purchased Rohrbaugh and the RM380 closely resembles their own R380 with the addition of a modern style mag release and a slide stop. Will they produce an updated R9? Who knows?

    • I suspect right now they don’t want to cannibalize any of the potential market for a reintroduced R51. If they give up on the R51, then a RM9 will likely follow.

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    Remakarov?
    Kinda looks Makrov-y.

    • Scott P

      At least the Makarov has a proven track record and we know will actually work πŸ˜›

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        Yep, Makarovs everywhere are deeply insulted.

  • BearSlayer338

    I don’t know how the author finds shooting an LCP so uncomfortable,sure the LCP is small but it hardly has any recoil.

    • Nicholas Chen

      The recoil was unpleasant when shooing a body guard and LCP. Much more noticeable than this gun. Your mileage may vary.

    • Spencerhut

      You are high . . . the LCP is a nasty little pistol to shoot. I hate working on those damn things.

      • BearSlayer338

        Not at all I just don’t see why some people are such wusses,an LCP is the pocket pistol I’ve fired with the least recoil,I could shoot it all day with non +p ammo,I would want to though as my PPK/s is far more accurate.You probably need to hold the gun tighter or practice more,I hold my handguns with a deathgrip and don’t experience much recoil except with my 10mm and .44 mags,but 10mm ain’t to bad.

    • Andrew

      Obviously he has sensitive girl hands and has never shot a scandium/titanium S&W j frame in .357mag.

  • sam

    I’m starting to think stiffness is important*. Makes the cycling more pleasant, easy too work with.

    *that’s what she said.

  • nobody

    I like how the pictured gun already has some of the finish worn off. Also how they actually give you a challenge coin with the AIP model to congratulate you for still being stupid enough to purchase their guns after the R51 fiasco and Remington 700 trigger issues.

  • Roll Tide

    I picked one up at the NRA convention and pulled the trigger a few times. I couldn’t believe how bad the trigger was. I thought it was one of the worst triggers I’d ever pulled. Maybe the one I checked out on the floor had a problem but I was not impressed at all.

  • Dragonheart

    If your life depended on it, and it could, is this really the handgun you want to carry?

    • Tommy Thompson

      I want the handgun that I can carry comfortably in whatever I’m wearing. I have a Ruger LCP that is *usually* secondary to whatever else I’m carrying; but, sometimes, it is all I can carry. With the right ammunition it’s quite adequate. As a retired soldier with three years of combat experience (infantry) I can tell you that you don’t have to kill your assailant with one shot or even knock them back into the next county to stop an attack on you. I don’t understand how the author thinks that the LCP is hard to fire. I fired over 100 rds on my first range trip with the gun and was surprised at how light the recoil was.

      • floppyscience

        I had an LCP for a few years (replaced it with a TCP) and the first time I fired it I was expecting the worst thanks to everyone talking about how horrible the recoil was. It was underwhelming to say the least. Sure it recoils more than my G19 but it isn’t anywhere near uncontrollable or uncomfortable.

  • If it has the longest barrel in its class, what’s its class? Cuz the G42’s barrel is 0.35″ longer. I suppose the RM380 does ‘beat’ out the Taurus TCP’s barrel by six hundredths of an inch… of course the RM itself is also longer, thicker, and heavier. I’m interested though! Will give it a shot.

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      Well, it’s homeschooled and it’s a single child. It’s in its own class.

  • Joseph Simeone

    I am more interested in the new ammo from Remington. I think the ammo you were referring to is Black Belt, a mechanical bonded Golden Saber. The RM 380 looks like a Mag. Research Micro 380 rear ended a Roughbar 380, and a LCP stuck it’s barrel in for good measure. There’s a dirty joke in there somewhere I’m sure. Remington should have just copied the P3AT and improve fit & finish like Ruger did… The Ruger LCP works and is also Reliable, a traits that Remingtons last attempt did not have

  • Joseph Simeone

    Remington, just let the R 51 die! It looks like Remington shrank the R 51 frame. They are trying too hard for a look, rather than starting with a functional design than clean up the looks. I guess Rem. gave up on a pocket 9mm….lol

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Like anything in life, felt recoil is subjective. In a mechanical recoil test (no human opinion), the LCP and its ilk would likely be considered light in recoil energy, but it is how the energy is transferred that makes it uncomfortable. You have a 3/4″ wide grip pounding into your palm & web. I have the Hogue designed rubber grip and it makes a world of difference. The grip is now 1.125″ approx, which spreads the energy out to a wider area and of course the rubber cushions some of the impact as well. Prior to the designed grip, I used a Hogue Handall Jr that I custom cut; not quite as energy reducing, but it still made a world of difference. Would I rather shoot the LCP or my 460V? Hmmmm . . . . 460V is a lot more exciting, but it also pounds the elbow & shoulder joints, not just the palm and wrist. Each and everyone of us is different and this is why you should try out a weapon at a range before you buy it. Shoot at least a box of 50 rounds in anything you are seriously considering. That is after you’ve held all the various models you’re interested in, to see which feels the best in your hand. Which trigger do you like? Which seems more natural to bring to sight? Buying a firearm shouldn’t be some spur of the moment, what do you suggest decision. There is also more to firearm ownership than shooting it.