Shooting the Double 1911 from Arsenal Firearms

Capture

I want one, and not for any particular (or logical) reasons. I mean, just look at the brass ejection… double rainbows!?!?!?

Sadly, I was not the one who had the pleasure of shooting the AF2011A1 from Arsenal. That honor belongs to The Late Boy Scout, who spent some real time with the handgun. It has a very unique operating system using a linked hammer to ignite both rounds at the same time (if it didn’t, there would be major safety implications). In the video, the importer goes into detail on the barrels, slide, etc.

Its a fitting 100-year tribute to the 1911.



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


Advertisement

  • Chris

    don’t get me wrong I think everyone should have one along with machine guns. but how is this not a machine gun? 1 trigger pull, multiple rounds down range.

    • MR

      Who said it wasn’t?

      • MR

        SOTs and Dealer Samples and whatnot.

        • MR

          Okay, there appear to be a couple on GB, with no mention of such technicalities. One wonders if they consulted the ATF before releasing these for sale. Or how permanent the ATF’s decision is.

          • lucusloc

            Is the ATF even legally allowed to make that exemption under the NFA? I thought that was explicitly defined in the law (the one trigger pull, multiple bullets part), and the ATF only had authority to issue letters and “opinions” in the grey zones that were not explicitly defined.

          • MR

            Who’s gonna call the ATF’s bluff? Mostly people who don’t have the authority to do anything about it. Unless there’s a massive public outcry, enough to make politicians take notice.

          • MR

            And at $4 grand, plus, it’ll likely be a while before we get enough yay-hoos on Youtube to rattle the ATF’s cage enough to reverse any decision it may have made to allow this.

          • lucusloc

            Yeah, not to mention in this one tiny case the ATF erred on the side of allowing something. Challenging them on this would simple lead them to put it back under NFA, and it would not longer be allowed to own as it is a “new manufacture”.

    • lucusloc

      They have “two” triggers that are machined together (same as the hammer). I am also curious if this technically makes it a machine gun (from my understanding it does, but with the NFA rules being what they are, who really knows. Even the ATF cannot seem to figure it out on a consistent basis).

      On a related note, who here thinks the NFA is retarded and needs to die (rhetorical question, of course it does).

      • Patrick Mingle

        It does not fall under the NFA. Why? Because the ATF says so

        • lucusloc

          lol, yeah, but as I asked below, I wonder if they technically have the legal authority to make that call. Probably a moot point, who is going to call them out when they are actually being more lenient than the law allows? It is not like the people at MDA read and understand enough to file a complaint.

    • Zebra Dun

      A shotgun shoots more than one bullet with one pull of a trigger in buckshot and birdshot, that doesn’t make it a machine gun……yet at least.

      • Matt

        exactly. Its the cycling of fire.
        On a double batter shotgun with 2 triggers you can as well pull the two triggers simultaneously..and it’s not a machinegun.

    • Matt

      double barrel shotgun with 2 triggers is a machinegun?

      • Cymond

        No.

        Does it become a machine gun if you weld the triggers together, so that both barrels always fire simultaneosly?
        Probably yes.

        • Matt

          you can pull the triggers simultaneously on a double barrel even if the triggers are not welded together.

          The issue is if two triggers welded together are considered a single trigger.

          Imho it is not, because each trigger is still separate mechanism even when two are welded together.

  • Sianmink

    Shouldn’t they be calling it a 3822?

  • TechnoTriticale

    Entirely apart from the NFA issue already raised, ignition timing would be a frightfully important matter. Hangfire could easily result in a cartridge rupturing in the air right in front of your face. Even well short of that, not using identical loads in both barrels might result in discharges out of battery, gas, etc. Variations in same-box ammunition is even a risk.

    Whether one trigger or two, this is not like a double-barreled shotgun.

    • lucusloc

      Wear good eye pro? I bet they try to mitigate the last part by saying you should only load ammo from the same lot, and mixing voids the warranty. And while I have not watched the whole video, I am willing to bet that having only one side fire would result in incomplete extraction, causing any hang-fire to detonate “safely” in the frame (though I do believe “safely” needs more quotes and qualifiers, but at least it is not directly in your face, and any decent pistol provides reasonable protection from an OOB detonation).

      • Giolli Joker

        Seeing how it behaves in the video Im pretty sure that load variation in the same lot is taken into account in the timing.
        As long as the two pins strike at the same time there should be no worries.

    • Cymond

      From what I understand, it won’t extract and eject unless both rounds fire. If true, that eliminates the danger of a hang fire going off in mid air.

  • Taofledermaus

    Does ANYONE remember the episode of Get Smart where CHAOS was trying to distribute the “Stereo revolvers”?

    • LCON

      I was thinking of bloodnofsky from that Green Hornet movie myself. You know the Crime lord in the middle of a midlife crisis with a double desert eagle.

  • Allen Herd

    It’s not NFA. While the two hammers are connected (as one piece) to avoid timing issues, there are two separate (as in not connected) triggers. And both triggers are depressed at the same time. So, one round per pull on each trigger – voila, not a machine gun.

    • MR

      Does it not fire if you only press one trigger?

    • lucusloc

      The video says the “two triggers” are machined together. If you press one both depress. Pretty sure that should qualify it as a single trigger, logically speaking. Thought the ATF has never been one for logic, so there is that.

  • Riot

    What does this have over a desert eagle or its like?

    • MR

      Two barrels

      • MR

        It really is that simple. It’s a curiousity piece, made to look cool. Is it better than a Desert Eagle? That’s subjective. I’d say they’re pretty much in the same class, this might have a little more novelty going for it. If you’re looking for value for your dollar… I’m not sure you’ll find it with either.

        • Giolli Joker

          In the Green Hornet movie the russian mobster interpreted by Christoph Waltz wields a double Desert Eagle.

  • me ohmy

    meh..gimme a standard 1911..

    • MR

      A double barrel Hi-Point would be interesting. Just for the absolute outlandishness of creating something so flamboyant out of something so cheap.

      • Giolli Joker

        Probably the timing issues would require much more accurate machining.

  • Kitsuneki

    Why no Desert Eagle Mark XXXVIII?

    • MR

      *yet*

  • Don Ward

    Things like this – and the people who want them – are the reason why we can’t have nice things on the firearms market.

    • lucusloc

      Wait, why? Last I checked someone else owning something dumb did not preclude me owning something nice. I though the reason we could not have nice things was the ATF. . .

      • Don Ward

        The long answer is that yes, there is only a finite amount of manufacturing ability and space on the sales counter for firearms. This is why there has been stagnation in firearms innovation for anything other than the “same old tactical AR”. For every dumb weapon like a Taurus Judge or anything from Kel Tec that means there is one less spot for a well crafted and practical firearm. If consumers constantly opt for the lowest common denominator, manufacturers have no incentive to produce a better product.

        The short answer is I was making a joke for goodness sake! Sheesh! This is why we can’t have nice things on the Internet.

        • MR

          Joke recognized, I seriously doubt this’ll be taking up any counterspace in any gun stores around here, unless someone specifically orders one. If any gun stores choose to stock these, I’m sure they’ll be on a shelf beside similarly outlandish items, rather than crowding out practical firearms. “Gee, I really wanted a Glock 17, but the LGS ran out of space, so all I could buy was this double barrel.”

          Stagnation in the AR marketplace? Oh snap, that’s part of the joke, too. Got me again.

        • lucusloc

          Seems like a “i don’t like what you like” argument to me 😉

          To address your second point, this is the internet, so you really need to tag your sarcasm. There really are people that are dumb enough to think it is “our” fault the ATF keeps defining stupid rules, because we keep trying to find ways around those rules to do what we want.

          • iksnilol

            Well, regarding the SIG brace it was sorta “our” fault. They wouldn’t have gone 180* on the decision if people didn’t constantly message them about it (and brag on Youtube and forums how it is bypassing the NFA).

  • Giolli Joker

    Nice video, it shoots better than I thought… the 10Auto Prismatic version is kinda cool.

  • FrenchKiss

    Pure hype. The gun has just one practical use, and that is comparing rounds when they are fired.

    • Guest

      Uhh I’m pretty sure no one is saying that it has a practical use. Its just a novelty. This was originally designed as an engineering exercise and when people expressed interest in buying them Arsenal decided to put them into production. Very few actually exist

    • marathag

      It has another use, proving the ‘Rule of Cool’ works

  • Pete Sheppard

    I wish they had some slow motion footage.

  • iksnilol

    People in Norway be thinking: “Great! It’s not like .45 ACP is expensive enough already. /sarc”

  • USMC03Vet

    It’s so ridiculous which makes me want to own one even more.

  • GordonTrenchard

    I wonder i

  • Matt

    that’s a double tap!