Gun Review: The New Remington RM380

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In 2016 Remington will celebrate its 200th anniversary, and in the months running up to the big 2-0-0 it should come as no surprise they’re unveiling a new addition to their handgun line: a .380 ACP. The new pistol is descriptively named the RM380, and it fills the basic parameters of function-meets-form as required by what has become one of the most popular defense calibers on the market today.

The .380 ACP has been around since 1908 courtesy of John Browning and Colt. It was originally created for the era’s blowback pistols, although there have also been submachine guns chambered in it, such as the vz. 83. The recoil of the diminutive round is insubstantial enough a locked breech is not a must, and in fact the recoil spring and slide weight are typically enough to cushion the shooter from what recoil is created during firing. While the .380 ACP has always had a following due largely to its ease of concealment it’s gained new fans in recent years. Five years ago many sellers reported the tripling of .380 ACP sales, which led to the caliber actually selling out at times in the years to follow, and today it’s become the go-to gun for many. It’s gone from being a common backup gun selection for those desiring a semi-auto to being a frequent top choice as the main daily carry of both new and old shooters alike. The trends are still spiking upwards, and if you’re in the market for a .380 ACP, you might want to take a look at the RM380.

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The RM380 is a DAO micro pistol designed for gun owners interested in a smaller-caliber gun they can count on. It’s quite compact, with a 2.9” 416 stainless steel barrel, lightweight at 12.1 ounces, and neatly slim with an as-expected single-stack. For a positive grip – and to help prevent slide bite which can be a more common issue with micro pistols – it has an extended beavertail and checkering on the grip and front strap. The magazine release is ambidextrous and sleek to the gun’s surface, so it cannot be easily bumped and activated if the user chooses to pocket carry. In fact, during a discussion with one of the gun’s designers I was informed he carried the RM380 in his pocket at work at great length for the purpose of real-life testing regarding the magazine release and trigger: the gun met his design requirements and expectations by not having any issues of that nature. As mentioned above the trigger is DAO, and it weighs in at a 7.9 lbs. trigger pull. The frame is aluminum for durability and a long life, and the magazine holds 6+1. Each gun will come with two magazines, one with and one without a pinkie extension. There’s a 7+1 magazine in the works as well.

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I was fortunate enough to have trigger time with the RM380 on more than one occasion, spending time not only putting lead down-range into paper targets but also hearing the satisfying ping of lead on steel plates and putting it through its paces in a shoot house. I performed single and multiple-shot drills with the gun, firing from low-ready and from a holstered position, also performing speed drills and shooting both from a stationary position and while moving. Thus far I’ve put approximately 750 rounds through it in a combination of FMJ and HP. The RM380s we fired were production-model pistols.

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On the range we began with drills from a distance of just 3 yards, eventually moving out a few yards at a time with an end point of 15 yards. Considering the .380 ACP performs at its greatest at close ranges, staying closer to the targets was a good way to gauge its abilities. In addition the average self-defense scenario takes place at distances of 7 feet and less, so finding out how the RM380 did in distances mirroring what could take place in real life was a good experience.

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At 3 yards the gun makes nice, tight groups as you’d expect and holds it as the distance extends. My hands are not small; my fingers are long, and because of that compact guns can be a challenge. The trigger reach is somewhat short but not unusual for this type of pistol and, in fact, I had more space than with other similar pistols I’ve fired in the same caliber. Remington undercut the trigger guard which allowed me to grip the pistol more securely despite its small size and that combined with the aforementioned extended beavertail gave me a solid hold on the gun. The trigger is, as mentioned, DAO, and the pull is long. Being careful not to let all that slack back out after the firing the first shot makes rapid fire not only possible but accurate. Having a longer trigger pull is a good safety feature and one many shooters will enjoy for that very reason. Racking the slide was extremely easy; it’s lightweight and there are serrations on both sides of the slide for a positive grip. The slide stop on the RM380 is fully functional and holds the gun open when the last shot is fired.

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During a failure drill of 250 rounds, which was performed in addition to the 750 rounds I’ve put through the gun on the range and in the shoot house, the gun did not experience any failures whatsoever. With this performance your finger will give out before the gun does; other micro pistols in the past have failed well before hitting 250 rounds, but the RM380 did not.

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RM380 at Gunsite, photo courtesy of Sam Soholt

 

In the shoot house at Gunsite, which I’ve also gone through with an AR, the gun did well. I went through multiple times and had no trouble obtaining a sight picture and delivering accurate shots. The adrenaline dump of a shoot house gives you the gift of an increased heart rate and faster respirations, and it’s a lot of fun while also being excellent training for real-life scenarios.

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RM380, photo courtesy of Phil White

 

Field-stripping the RM380 is a matter of using one hand to pull the slide slightly to the back while lightly tapping the pistol on its side on a solid surface to free the takedown pin. Although tapping does slowly jar the pin free you can also use a tool to push it out. Once the pin is out the slide will come off and cleaning can commence. When you’re done, re-align the hole for the pin that’s on the frame with the hole on the slide and insert the pin. It’s as simple as that, and the pin stayed secure in all the guns being test-fired, which was a combination of several thousand rounds.

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RM380 with CrossBreed holster, photo courtesy of Jeff Quinn

 

In conjunction with the release of the RM380, the formal announcement of which will take place during the upcoming NRA Meeting in Nashville, Tennessee, there are holsters being made. The first company to make model-specific holsters is CrossBreed, and I tried out four CrossBreed holsters with the gun. Most are leather backed with custom-molded holsters which covered the trigger guard but left the muzzle open and grip easily accessed. My favorite was a combat cut that wrapped around close to my hip, giving the gun a low profile and making it easy to conceal despite its being worn on my belt rather than IWB. Drawing from the new CrossBreed holsters was a simple matter of a firm, upward stroke; rapid presentation was easy and re-holstering also simple to execute without looking. Other companies with RM380 holsters in development include Galco and DeSantis.

 

RM380, photo courtesy of Sam Soholt

RM380, photo courtesy of Sam Soholt

In the world of self-defense, reliability is key – your gun absolutely must perform each time you squeeze its trigger – and the RM380 was carefully constructed to do just that. Recoil was manageable with the small snap familiar to .380 ACP; re-acquiring the target was simple. Obtaining a sight picture using the fixed, low-profile sights was quickly done and while the sights themselves are small, they get the job done. The entire pistol’s profile is sleek and snag-free, which is a must for pocket carry and a smooth draw. After-market options will include Crimson Trace lasers and customizable grips.

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1st Alabama Inaugural Edition

This will be the first new pistol produced at the new Huntsville, Alabama, plant. To mark the occasion Remington is producing a commemorative 1st Alabama Inaugural Product model. This edition will have a black frame and stainless steel slide and barrel for a sharp two-tone look along with a black engraving on the forward section of the slide. The Alabama edition will come with a commemorative challenge coin and production will be limited to just 1000 pistols.

RM380, photo courtesy of Sam Soholt

RM380, photo courtesy of Sam Soholt

The bottom line is the RM380 performed reliably and consistently. Whether punching into paper or knocking back steel – and rounds fired from this little pistol did, indeed, take down steel reactive targets with a single shot – it got the job done, without hesitation. Mastering the long trigger pull took some time but the payoff was worth it. Thanks to its light weight and small size it’s easy to conceal, wherever you carry, and the angle of the grip definitely leant itself to a sure grip and a quicker, easier draw. Putting it through its paces in the shoot house assured me it can be drawn and fired with confidence in such an environment, and while it’s impossible to mirror the enormous adrenaline dump of a life-or-death situation, going into a shoot house with a talented instructor does give you a good idea of a gun’s performance in such a case – and yours.

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Fans of the .380 ACP will undoubtedly enjoy this gun, and those who are simply curious may very well be won over. Speaking to three of the designers at length and sitting through their presentations made it clear a great deal of time and effort went into the gun’s creation, as well it should, and watching one of them nail steel targets with more speed than you’d expect from a DAO micro pistol was downright impressive. The RM380 is worth a second look, whether for use as a backup gun or a main carry weapon. 200 years is a lot of experience to pour into a pistol and Remington appears to have nailed it with the RM380.

Specs:

Caliber: .380 ACP

Barrel length: 2.9”

Overall height: 3.86″

Overall length: 5.27″

Rifling twist rate: 1:16

Weight empty: 12.1 ounces (+/- .1)

Construction: Aluminum frame

Finish: Black

Trigger: DAO

Trigger Pull: 7.9 lbs

Safety: Internal

Magazines: 6 rounds +1

MSRP: $417.00

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RM380 photo courtesy of Jeff Quinn

RM380 photo courtesy of Jeff Quinn

This gives you an idea of size. Think I shot it enough? Burned powder all over the place.

This gives you an idea of size. Think I shot it enough? Burned powder all over the place.Phil



katie.ainsworth

Katie is an avid shooter, hunter, military journalist, and Southern girl. Firearms are her passion whether at the range or on a spot-and-stalk after a big buck. She’s a staff writer at The Firearm Blog and writes about guns, hunting, and the military for various publications both online and in print such as Outdoor Life, Handguns, and Shooting Illustrated. Shoot her a message at ainsworth.kat@usa.com


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  • Bob

    After the R51 debacle other people can beta test this one.

    • No need these were production guns rather than prototypes we used on the 51. I have complete faith in this pistol.

      • Katie A

        Agreed. The guns performed well in a variety of conditions.

        • Bob

          Ok. Is it straight blowback? If so that should assist vs. the Pedersen design’s complications.

          Thanks for the article.

          • Katie A

            It’s not a Pedersen action, no. All of us worked to put this gun through its paces, and while in a perfect world I would have gone well over four digits worth of rounds – and I will before long – I did and do feel good about it. I am a large caliber fan and for a smaller caliber to win me over is saying something.

          • Giolli Joker

            It’s not a straight blowback, apparently the new trend is to have .380 subcompact pistols using Browning-Petter locking action, for softer reactions, I suppose.
            Not as simple as a pure blowback, but definitely a well known and reliable system, considering that it can be found on roughly 90% of the currently produced pistols.

          • sam

            Oh yeah, there’s lug on the barrel.

          • Paul Niles

            I only buy Browning type designs, Glock anyone? More simple to clean, operate, and maintain. 100 yrs history doesn`t hurt. I`ve been around for most of that time. Still shoot my 1911A1 my dad brought back from Army in 1920.

          • Giolli Joker

            Hardly any simpler than pure blowback… surely reliable and tested.

          • Andrew

            I think the locked breech 380’s have been easier to load, clear, and correct malfunctions with for some of the ladies I have known.

          • Giolli Joker

            Yep, that’s surely a reason… personally I find the solution that Beretta adopted on the 86 more elegant.

          • sam

            I’m wondering this as well…. it looks like a Rohrbaugh which is locking. Also what’s the width?

      • Zachary marrs

        Remington can’t even produce their legacy designs correctly, yet this will be problem free?

        Still skeptical

      • Drew Wood

        Did you purchase one from an independent retail store or did remington provide this model? did you see the pistol roll off the assembly line or are you trusting a marketing rep from remington? i’m glad the the single pistol you tested worked well, and I would trust that individual pistol as you thoroughly tested it. However, remington’s reputation (well, the freedom group) as a consistent and reliable manufacturer is pretty poor right now.

      • Geoff a well known Skeptic

        Hey Phil,
        I can get you a great deal on land just North of Point Barrow Alaska, or how about a piece of Nigerian government money? Geoff Who is distrustful of Remington and any associates. I’ll stick with my LCP.

    • Swarf

      Ruger, Taurus and Kel Tec already have.

  • gunsandrockets

    So, an aluminum framed clone of the Kel-tec?

    • hikerguy

      It does resemble the P-3AT, does it not? I guess that all guns in this category do look alike in some way.

      • kipy

        Yeah kinda looks like a Kahr CW380 too

      • Kirk Lawson

        Not particularly.

    • Sianmink

      Metal frame can only help these little pocket minis, IMO. Make them too light and they just get hard to shoot.

    • Nope Rohrbaugh

  • Andrew

    Anyone else remember how gun reviewers couldn’t say enough good things about the R51? Fool me once…

    • Giolli Joker

      What happened to the R51 BTW?
      Are the replacements being delivered (and tested)?

      • I have no idea to be honest.

        • borekfk

          We were supposed to have new ones shipped to stores at the end of last year. If you click on the handgun button on Remington’s website it still takes you to their 1911 page.

      • Kirk Lawson

        Still not yet re-released. Remington says they will soon, this year. My guess is that Remington took such a black eye with the Gen 1, that Gen 2 will be tested 6 ways from Sunday with random line samples.

    • That’s because those were prototypes. These are the ones you would actually purchase. A big difference.

      • Bowserb

        Phil, thanks for having the guts to test and review this new Remington pistol. You had to know what the response would be from readers, yet you soldiered on. Well done!

        • Thanks we do appreciate it. Yes indeed I knew that a good number of the responses would be like but it’s our job to bring you guys the news on all the new guns we’re fortunate enough to test and review. Since we got to shoot production guns I honestly feel very good about this one. Again my thanks!

        • One thing to add is we shot these a lot back in December and again last month so they really got a workout.

    • Phil used the R51 and wrote our review … he had no problems with it. We can only report our experiences (we also later published a writers experience with the one he purchased).

      The best we can do is write about both our positive experiences and also our negative experiences. We don’t have a crystal ball and can’t predict in advance how a product will eventually be manufactured or what potential issues (such as ammo compatibility) it may have after abuse. I wish we had the money to do a 10,000 round stress test on every gun, but we simply don’t have the money, and short of running a kickstarter for each and every review, we won’t (but I am always trying to come up with ideas of how we might fund something like this).

      The R51 appeared to have some manufacturing problems, my guess is they could not mass manufacture it to the required tolerances, rather than a fundamental problem with the design (its an old design).

      And as Phil said below, we have no idea when it will go on sale again, and yes, we have asked Remington. They have said it definitely will, but until they can make them work absolutely flawlessly out of the factory, they won’t put them on sale. They don’t afford a repeat of the original debacle.

  • Scott Tuttle

    recalled in 3…2…1…

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    Original advertising cutline: “From the company that brought you the R51”.

    I think Remington needs to wait for the swelling to go down before they start slapping the gun buying public around again.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      yeah because gun owners are such forgiving types. people are still going on about gen 4 glocks, they’re going go on about them until we’re onto gen 9 glocks.

      • floppyscience

        Hell, people still complain about Bill Ruger’s personal policies and he died 13 years ago.

        • Jack Burton

          I eagerly await the day Ruger finally sheds itself of the pejorative “fudd” label foisted upon it by people who, by and large, weren’t even around for the first AWB. Maybe then they’ll be able to deviate a bit from ARs and striker-fired poly pistols and occasionally introduce interesting guns again.

          • Kirk Lawson

            I was there for it, watched it unfold, and I’m still mad at Bill’s corpse.

      • Bowserb

        Not me. I just bought a new Gen 3 G19. Gen 4 is fine, but I like the G3 better. Thank goodness they didn’t stop making the G3.

  • iksnilol

    I don’t think I am the only one sceptical to Remington after their issues these last couple of years.

  • Jack Burton

    Still really hope they can fix the R51…if they can just reach an acceptable level of durability and reliability it’d by my top choice as a carry piece. Don’t even care if they have to jack the price up a little to achieve this.

    • sam

      Yeah, I want to see that work, I like the narrative of Rem. bringing it back. May the wings of liberty never lose a feather.

    • I really hope they can. I don’t like to see any company have a failure.

  • hikerguy

    I really hope they have this one worked out. Remington cannot afford to be dead in the water twice in a row after the R51 debacle. We will see.

    • El Duderino

      Their holding company has some extremely deep pockets. A company like Kel-Tec or Boberg, yeah that might do them in.

      • Kirk Lawson

        Not particularly. Kel Tec issued a parts recall on their PMR30 because many of the first model fluted barrels were keyholing. Didn’t “do them in.”

  • The RM380 appears to be a reworked Rohrbaugh R380. It shouldn’t be a surprise given that Remington purchased Rohrbaugh Firearms back in January 2014.

    • Tim Pearce

      Ahh, that makes sense. Also far more encouraging than the suspicion it was a metal framed Kel-Tec.

    • The patent for the original Rohrbaugh R9 is listed below. You’ll note that it was reassigned to Para USA in February 2014.

      https://www.google.com/patents/US7322143

      • Some design changes with the help of the previous owner of the company.

      • El Duderino

        Doesn’t Remington/Freedom Group own Para too? Or are you assuming we all know that as well? 😀

        • Yes Remington owns Para—– They have for some time.

          • Perry

            The whole Para line is moving here to Huntsville and when the line moves it will cease being Para and will become Remington. I spoke with one of their engineers on Friday he is a former Para engineer and now a Remington engineer and is happy with the change.

          • Good thanks–

        • Yes, I thought that people might remember given that the Para USA brand name was only recently eliminated in favor of Remington.

    • Giolli Joker

      They purchased and apparently completely absorbed Rohrbaugh… It doesn’t sound new nor good…

  • zzz

    An oversized LCP from a company you can no longer trust.

    • El Duderino

      Baaaa-zing!

  • Pete

    I need a side by side size comparison to the LCP to know if this will fit in my pocket or not.

    • floppyscience

      Here you go.

      • Katie A

        The RM380 is not identical to the Rohrbaugh model. It’s significantly enhanced, a sharper performer, and more functional.

        • Giolli Joker

          What makes it a sharper performer?
          What are the improvements?
          Based on what I can see, I’d say:
          Dimensionally they still seem to be the same.
          Functionally the RM380 has apparently got a slide release lever.
          Generally probably it’s all be redesigned to be manufactured effectively with looser tolerances in a mass production line.

          • nnmnu1

            Katie must have been paid well for this review

          • Mitch

            Word, I hate to say it, but Katie’s reviews are lacking in multiple areas. It’s mediocre writing from a sit that should, I believe, accept nothing shot of excellence, TFB, if you are serious about quality writing, put out the word and I’ll gladly submit resume/former work experience. If the idea of keeping her around revolves around provide a woman’s perspective, well, there are better women gun writers.

          • Mitch

            Nothing like criticizing other’s writing and then finding multiple typos after the fact. I can write good, ‘yall. No shookie.

          • nadnerbus

            Maybe your qualifications are for captioning pictures on the “I can haz cheezburgers” website.

          • And what’s your track record that qualifies you to judge?

          • You should know better than to even say that. WE’ve covered it a thousand times. Nobody gets squat other than the regular pay.

          • Geoff a well known Skeptic

            It sounds too much like a Press Release. Geoff Who has been reading gun magazines since they were printed on cheap paper.

        • thei3ug

          I’d love to know how it’s enhanced. I’d also love to see the frame with the side panels removed. The most important thing to me is that Remington DIDN’T design it, DIDN’T change much from the original, and didn’t cut corners manufacturing. I’m carrying a Seecamp right now, and want to switch to .380 with similar features, but the past few years have not looked kindly upon the Remington name.

          • floppyscience

            “and didn’t cut corners manufacturing”

            Do we know this yes? MSRP is 1/3 that of the original Rohrbaugh. I find it hard to believe they could keep the same materials and quality for a third the price.

        • Sianmink

          Not identical, but it’s clear it’s a tweaked Rohrbaugh. I like the changes made to the trigger guard.

        • floppyscience

          Okay… but is it the same dimensions? If they bought the design and tooling from Rohrbaugh I’d assume it would have the same external dimensions, ignoring controls, grips, and other things they might have changed.

      • Thanks!

  • floppyscience

    Wow, a Rohrbaugh R380 made by Remington for 1/3 the price. I’m sure this can only end well.

    • Ted Unlis

      Exactly, and even if Remington pulls off cloning the Rohrbaugh 380, to be viable in a crowded market the pistol must be competitive with the Ruger LCP in both price and reliability, which is highly unlikely.

      • valorius

        the lcp is smaller and lighter, so it has advantages the remington cannot match.

        still, i like the idea of an all metal pistol, so a little weight gain is to be expected if thats what you want in a gun.

        • Kirk Lawson

          And the RM380 has features which the LCP cannot match including a metal frame, LRHO, real second strike capability, and ambidextrous mag release, not to mention “feel of the gun” stuff like undercut trigger guard and a little more weight to reduce felt recoil.

          Yes, the LCP is lighter and it’s dimensions are smaller. The RM380 has similar dimensions to the Taurus TCP which as proven competitive in the market even with slightly larger dimensions than the LCP or the P3AT.

          • valorius

            the “right handed” mag release on guns is better for lefties than it is for righties. You just use your trigger finger. Lightning fast.

            Some would say a metal frame is a step backwards, it is certainly heavier.

            IMO a second strike capability is never used and totally overhyped. If i get a failure im tap rack banging immediately, im not gonna stand there going click-click-click.

          • Kirk Lawson

            Evidence is that most people get caught in a Fight-or-Flight stress loop and actually will click-click-click. It’s been noted that people in the same stress loop will often fail to click off a Safety. While your TRB training may work for you, there’s plenty of evidence that it is not so for every person. This supports the concept of diversity in the marketplace.

          • valorius

            for someone totally untrained i guess click-click-click may be standard operating procedure.

            Certainly bad guys in the movies love to do it when their pistol is empty.

          • valorius

            I think for most, the name Remington on the side of the gun is the RM380’s best selling point.

  • Alan Armbrust

    A way overpriced micro-pistol in an already saturated market. Price it around 250 and it’ll sell well.

    • Sianmink

      It’s still half the price of a Sig P238.

  • There ya go—

  • Oaf

    This was one of the most entertaining advertisements I have ever read.

  • Dan

    width?

  • Katie A

    There are definitely personal preferences for different guns and triggers. My own personal daily carry preferences may not align with this particular gun, but this gun performed well and it fits the market it was designed for. Everyone has different tastes, so there will be shooters quite pleased with the trigger because it’s frequently seen as a safety factor. .380 ACP has gained substantial popularity and this micro does fit the bill.

    • Tim Pearce

      Yes, I do agree, and I find the complaints over long triggers on a gun meant for shooting at ~21 feet rather silly. I think what will help it is all those “Ew, plastic gun!” people will be drawn to this, if they don’t already have one of the Colt or Sig mini-1911s.

  • Ted Unlis

    Time will tell just how great of an effect the R51 curse will have on the new RM380, which rightfully elicits involuntary skepticism from informed prospective buyers. The devil is in the production quality control details. If the fit and finish of internal components and surfaces are similar to the standards Remington used in R51 production, the RM380 is only a few quality control lapses away from trot line weight status. Since the RM380 is basically as previously noted a Rohrbaugh 380 for a third of the cost, pardon me for my skepticism and lack of trust when it comes to quality control at Remington in the 21st century.

  • spiff1

    Interesting pistol, butt how does it compare to the Glock 42 and S&W .380 BodyGuard?
    Spiff1

    • Actually for pocket carry I’d choose the Remington.

      • Giolli Joker

        What about the Beretta Pico?
        I read on TTAG a quite in-deep review, in 2 takes, and it looks more refined than the Remington, plus it has removable sights, all for a slightly lower MSRP.

        • I really haven’t had as much experience with the Pico so it’s hard for me to make an informed comparison. By experience I’ve shot one mag through a Pico.

          • Giolli Joker

            Thanks!
            A limited comparative review was already done on TFB (maybe Reeves?!?) with other .380 models, it would be nice if there was a chance to add a few ones in the game.

  • JLR84

    So any size comparison pictures between this and the Ruger LCP?

  • grifhunter

    I just don’t get the nearly 90 degree grip angle on a lot of these
    pocket pistols. When you natural point of aim them, you are hitting
    the perps feet. Something like the Walther TPS .22 is more natural for a
    pocket gun, a weapon you are whipping quickly out of a pocket and may
    not have time for using sights.

  • alabubba

    So I would buy this over the KelTec p3at because???? This Remington is heavier, longer, and costs more money.

  • Ted Unlis

    Gunblast has a youtube video on shooting the RM380, not a test or evaluation, but at the end of the video it does show some internal components and surfaces which aren’t easy to make out since they didn’t clean the pistol first, but you can make out some of those rough finished components and surfaces.
    Any Remington pistol with rough finished internal components and surfaces should be highly suspect for quality control issues down the line once the factory gets into full swing on mass production, it would be wise to wait 6 months or a year if you’re thinking about purchasing the RM380 to see if Remington is actually capable of avoiding a repeat of the borrowed design and quality control debacle experienced with the R51.

    • Undoubtedly, some parts that were once machined by Rohrbaugh are now either investment castings and metal-injection moldings.

      • The real difference is Rohrbaugh was a small company and turned out limited numbers. Remington making more guns can afford to reduce the price.

      • Giolli Joker

        The hammer definitely looks like MIM.
        Nothing really bad about it, if properly done, though.

        • Yes, that’s the trick with any production technique. MIM has been used in the firearms industry since the 1980s. Millett Industries (Millett Sights) developed the process. Nearly everyone in the firearms industry except for custom shops are currently using one or more MIM parts in their designs. S&W has been using MIM internals for at least 18 years now. Likewise, investment casting is a mature technology in use by major firearm brands for at least a half-century. Besides Ruger, Colt began using castings to produce small parts like grip safeties and cylinder latches during the 1960s.

  • Dusty78

    Do you really think its an upgrade? Take a precision hand made pistol and MIM it out off of an assembly line without proper fitting and you are staring at a real problem.

  • FoolMeOnce

    Ooh, another new Remington. Thanks. I’ll stick with my Hi-Point.

  • Grindstone50k

    I am extremely skeptical of Remington products. I’d like to see a cross-comparison with, say, a Ruger LCP.

    Also, one white person to another; sun screen is your friend.

  • Rustyglock

    Would like to see more pics of actual gun and less of person holding, drawing, shooting, leaning, thinking, ect. From what I could see of actual gun…not bad.

    • Ted Unlis

      Google Gunblast Remington RM380 and you’ll find a youtube link that has several still photos near the end of the video including photos of the pistol disassembled which reveal tell-tale images depicting lesser quality rough finish on components and surfaces. I would have included a link but apparently TFB blocks posts that include links.

  • John Doe

    Ready bash this handgun over R51 thing but after reading this review so far find nothing compare to how bad R51 was performing some other people test that handgun once own it. Ready bash over fact there nothing new about this handgun all ready on 380 market right now at same price point. How ever there enough thing they did right on handgun wait see how really does on 380 market with out pass judgment on base on how bad R51 was. I think Remington learn from R51 costly mistakes not try repeat them. I well admit I well wait see how new handgun does in productions as reach gun stores over fact how thing went with R51. I recall gun writes test R51 got directly from Remington seem work well all those bought there R51 from gun store had all kind issues plague there guns witch well document over at youtube.

  • kevin kelly

    Read like an advertisement. But that can’t be…its just off how hard every staff member is championing this gun after we all know how the r51 turned out. Not even a little skepticism?

  • RealitiCzech

    Wow. Would like to introduce some of those complaining shooters to a revolver, and watch them freak out over that tremendous 10-12lb trigger.

    • Tim Pearce

      Yeah, I know! It never ceases to amaze me that people demand a 1000 yard match gun trigger on a pistol they’ll be shooting at 20 feet.

  • Giolli Joker

    Actually Jeff Quinn is credited as the author of some of the photos in this article.
    And all the photos have the added feature of zooming in a new tab if clicked upon, including the one of the field stripped pistol, taken by PW, that might be helpful in guessing the level of machining finish.

    • Ted Unlis

      No guessing involved, I spotted a couple in the photos even on a dirty gun, I suspect more would be visible if the gun was clean. Long story short, Remington no longer has quality finished components or surfaces that customers took for granted on Remington products of years gone buy; when you combine rough finished internals with loose tolerances in quality control, sooner or later you get failures.

      • Giolli Joker

        Well, actually loose tolerances might reduce the emergence of failures (think AK)… let’s see.

        • Ted Unlis

          Afraid not Giolli, unfortunately Remington in the 21st century has a track record for loose as in out of tolerance and poor quality control. Just so you know, there is no AK analogy for a cheaply made crudely finished pistol that anyone with even the slightest knowledge of firearms would want to own let alone rely on for defensive purposes, but if that type of clunker appeals to you, Buds has several Zastava pistols available in the $200 range.

          • Giolli Joker

            I was just saying that in general loose tolerance aren’t the main reason for failures…

            I think it’s a bit early to come up with judgments on the quality of this Remington, anyway.

          • Ted Unlis

            Stop embarrassing yourself man, obviously you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, out of tolerance parts and components are absolutely the “main reason for failures”. But you are right about “it’s a bit early to come up with judgments on the quality of this Remington”; the recent and still unresolved R51 history means it will be a long time before any claim of quality and reliability with a new Remington pistol can be believed or trusted.

          • Giolli Joker

            Lighten up, Francis.
            Loose tolerances aren’t the same of “out of tolerance”.
            Loose tolerances in a design might improve reliability (think AK, again); manufacturing out of design tolerances can lead to any kind of failure.
            Two different things.
            If you talk about things being manufactured out of tolerance, don’t call them loose tolerances.
            As a matter of fact you’re judging something you’ve never even handled, so yes, I repeat, it’s early.
            Do I like Remington? Not really.
            Am I skeptical about RM380’s performance? Yes.
            Can I judge its performance, now? No.

      • I actually had the gun taken apart and I felt every surface I could get to and the surfaces were smooth. There really weren’t any rough surfaces I could find or feel.

  • Kovacs Jeno

    These, and similar sentences should be avoided in the future, if you don’t want it to look like a paid advertisement:

    if you’re in
    the market for a .380 ACP, you might want to take a look at the RM380

    reliability
    is key – your gun absolutely must perform each time you squeeze its trigger –
    and the RM380 was carefully constructed to do just that.

    Fans of the
    .380 ACP will undoubtedly enjoy this .

    200 years is a lot of experience to pour into a
    pistol and Remington appears to have nailed it

  • Blake
  • john Everett Walker

    Very encouraging review.

  • Joe

    I own a SIG P232 in .380 ACP, which I truly enjoy. It is a blowback action pistol and has a substantial kick for a little .380 pistol. My only wish for that pistol is to have a version of it “with a recoil spring”. But that is not possible–SIG only makes it in blowback. Now, I am considering getting one of the R380, which appears to have a more decent recoil,

    • Sam Spade

      Sig makes the P238 which is a recoil operated .380 and is a miniature 1911 pistol.

  • Mike

    Glad to see Remington has another successful firearm. It’s pretty too. I am blessed, however, with having two vintage Mod-51, Rem-UMCs in .380 ACP and .32 ACP each. Both have had use by my parents, grandparents and myself, but are in good shooting condition. I would never part with them and sometimes wonder why, “if it ain’t broke, why fix it”? The Mod-51 has a unique and very reliable design. I love it, especially the .380
    Respectfully, Mike Steele.

    • Sam Spade

      There last pistol was a total failure and recall. The took their vintage design and screwed it up very badly.

  • petru sova

    There is an old axiom. When a new gun comes out only a fool would buy one before the standard 2 years of recalls run their course. Gun companies in their blind greed to make instant profits for stock holders have even been known to make wooden mock up models to be used on glitzy front cover pictures of gun rags touting the new model is the 8th wonder of the plasticky turd world. At least this gun has an aluminum frame.

    As far as a small double action only pistol with an 8 lb trigger pull the average “real Accuracy” amounts to the average person being extremely lucky to hit a humanoid silhouette target at a long maximum of around 7 yards tops and that is really stretching it.

    One of the reasons I seldom like carrying my .32 Seecamp is that even though it has an outstanding smooth double action only trigger pull the fact that it is double action only and is very small in size which makes it almost impossible to have any confidence in accuracy if a precision shot needs made at just about any rang including across the local Saloon table.

    Remington has made so many blunders in the past 10 years that I have lost all confidence in them and I am wary of buying even some of their long time manufactured traditional firearms. I saw a picture on the Sig forum of a new R51 sometime back and the quality control at Remington was so bad that the pistol was shipped with the sights installed backwards. Obviously they had no one in the quality control/inspection department that day or maybe he was laid of to make higher profits for the blind greed of the stock holders. I would sooner than later believe the latter.

    • valorius

      funny…since i can put all 9rds from my ruger lcp into a shotglass sized group at 10 yards with aimed fire. 🙂

  • Lockmazter

    Still trying to catch up with Ruger, still trying too little, too late…….with a cardboard box and a beaten MSRP (Ruger LCP = $350.oo), to boot! Pathetic!

  • valorius

    an all metal new build pistol?

    sweet.

  • Saman

    I hope it wrks out better than the Model 51 they tried last year.

  • Lockmazter

    This article, word-for-word, appeared in Shooting Illustrated, credited to a different author. So, who plaigerized whom???

    • Lockmazter

      Ok, now it’s gone from their site. I was going to post the link, but it’s no longer there. Something is fishy and I’m betting it’s S.I. They seem to be willfully throwing their own reputation in the toilet!

  • Charles Newman

    This is a Rohrbaugh, so how did RM hit it out of the park with this one? Having owned an R9, I’m positive the fit/finish will not be as nice, but it’s a third of the cost, so all Rohrbaugh fanboys like me will be getting one. So many guns…so little money…