TFBTV: Texas Hog Guns

Texas has been overrun by hogs, which have created a startling problem for farmers and landowners across our great state. For these pesky pack animals, sometimes grandpa’s 30-30 wont cut it so modern hunters have decided to bring more modern equipment.

Hog collaborate in packs of over 20 animals at one time, so modern sporting rifles are a popular choice for hunters these days to reduce hog populations across the state. Traditionalists still prefer bolt or lever guns, but we seem to produce more lovely bacon with our setups!

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The full transcript is below …

– Hey guys, this is Alex C. with firearmblog.com.

We’re back at you with another video today, again I’ve got my friend Patrick here.

– What’s going on, everybody? – And we’re going to talk about Texas hog hunting.

I don’t know if you guys know, but hogs in Texas are a really big issue.

They destroy millions of dollars worth of crops every year, and they cause a lot of damage to property, even people sometimes. – [Patrick] Yeah, but they are tasty.

– (laughs) They are tasty, they are also very dangerous.

So, for a dangerous animal, which, usually when you talk about dangerous game, you’re referring to a lion or something with big teeth and claws, but a lot of people get hurt by hogs, plus the tools for modern hog hunting are modern sporting weapons.

– Yeah, well, whenever you run across them, they’re generally in packs, so you need more than four or five rounds to take them out.

– That’s true, Granddad’s lever action rifle won’t kill 20 hogs. – [Patrick] No.

– Unless you’re a cowboy action shooter, and you’re better than I am at doing that kind of thing.

So I guess that’s possible, but for handicapped shooters like ourselves, we rely on high capacity magazines and other stuff that’s pretty common to today’s I guess what you’d call tactical marketplace.

– You say high capacity, I say regular capacity. (laughs) – Regular capacity I guess is more appropriate.

It’s kind of cool that this stuff has made its way from that era, to the arena of hunting.

– Yeah, I mean, the rifle that I use is a pretty close copy of a Mk. 18, and this a gun that they’re currently using right now to go ahead and fight the War on Terror.

But it works great in a hunting environment as well.

– Absolutely, why don’t you tell them a little bit about your gun and why it’s laid out the way it is.

– Yeah well, like I said, I kind of mimicked the Mk. 18 a little bit.

But I went ahead and built in on a Spikes lower.

And it’s got a ALG trigger.

I don’t recall which one I’ve got in there.

It may be the enhanced one or something.

But it’s got a Nickel-Boron coating on it, makes it really smooth, easy to clean.

I’m bringing a full-auto carrier in here, just a standard no-name.

And then…

I’ve got a Matech backup iron sight with your traditional fixed front post, just ’cause I think it looks cool.

I went with a BCM Gunfighter charging handle, ’cause I’ve got problems with my wrist, bringing it over and charging an AR-15 the traditional way.

We got an EOTech up here, I like the short, tiny ones.

If given the opportunity to hunt with night vision with a, what is the PBS-14 I think, it fits real nice in here, or if I wanna run a MagnaFire, that’s great as well.

I ran with a Knight Armament RAS that I kinda had lying around that I picked up off of somebody, I don’t even remember when I bought it but, it’s just really comfortable for me.

– Oh, it’s important to note, also, it is a short-railed rifle. – [Patrick] Yes this, this is an SBR, I paid the 200 dollar tax to the ATF, I hope they enjoyed my money. – [Alex] (laughs) Right.

– I’m running in the MOE grip as well, and in the little compartment in the bottom, I’ll store a spare firing pin and bolt, because I have had issues in the past with bolts breaking, or something like that.

And then up front we’ve got a SilencerCo Trifecta flash hider, which is a great flash hider, and it really makes mounting my Saker pretty straightforward, and easy.

– I’d like to emphasize the importance of suppressors when you’re hog hunting here.

You can take out a lot more hogs, because it’s obviously a lot quieter before they run.

Usually on the first shot, if you’re not you know, running a suppressed rifle, they’re gone, and they’re fast, too.

So you better have a quick trigger finger.

If you have a suppressor and a quick trigger finger, that’s even better.

– Yeah, I mean, you may be able to go ahead and get four, five, six of ’em, – Oh yeah, absolutely. – [Patrick] before they start dispersing pretty well.

– He’s probably one of the…

Hardest-on-his-guns-people I’ve ever met in this life.

As a matter of fact, I came up with the nickname Dusty, because we went on a hunt one weekend and, it got so dirty and grimy, (Patrick laughs) with him dropping it and banging it around in the back of the side-by-side, that it didn’t even look like a gun, it looked more like a dirt clod.

– Well I…

What we did is, while we were out, we went out dove hunting and we also were you know, taking hogs as well, but I hung it from the, the little roll cage on the side-by-side, and it just stayed there all weekend.

And when we pulled it off at the end of the weekend, we were curious to see if it’d run after it was just caked in dust, I wish we had a photo to show you guys but, it ran flawlessly, I’ve been nothing but impressed with it.

I mean it’s been a fantastic gun.

– Absolutely.

You know an SBR, great, compact, easy to tote around, and great to kill hogs with.

– Absolutely.

– So you can get some organic hog meat very easily and very quickly with that gun.

All in all, he runs this gun great, it’s a great fit, and it’s the vain of hogs the whole state wide.

– That and I wanted to talk a little about running a DBall on this, we’ll learn– – [Alex] Absolutely.

So anyways, night vision is…

You know, hogs are very active at night.

So, Patrick’s got a PVS-7 that he’ll use to drive the side-by-side with.

– It ain’t easy.

– No, it’s difficult to drive with a single monocular, because your depth perception’s, well, there is no depth perception.

– I think we’ve come up across a couple of like, little dips and it looked like canyons.

– Absolutely, absolutely, the dips looked like canyons, and the canyons looked like dips.

So it’s tricky, but you can do it.

But, with a DBall on here, you don’t have to really aim, you just basically have a laser pointer, that’s only visible by IR, so if you come up on hogs, pull it up and you can shoot ’em.

And this may sound kinda “Mall-ninja” what we’re doing here, but it works.

– Yeah, it does.

– And it produces hog meat, and it works.

Now it’s a little extreme, it might not be traditional hunting, but for a non-traditional animal that collaborates in packs and breeds like crazy– – As a new hunter, yeah I’m gonna be honest.

I, preferred.

It’s fun, I really enjoy hunting this way.

You know, I mean maybe traditional hunting’s just not for me.

– (laughs) Well, that remains to be seen.

(Patrick laughs) It is a lot more fun, it’s a lot more fast-paced hunting hogs at night, it’s, it is kind of a rush.

But that brings me to my gun.

I have an MP5 I use.

It’s a HK94 actually chopped and converted and re-marked by TPM Outfitters in Carrollton.

I’ve done some articles about TPM in the past.

It’s got a Fleming sear in it, and I’ll also run a suppressor with 147 grain hollow points.

The reason I like the MP5 with the, the can on there is because it’s super quiet, especially with subsonic ammo.

You can dump magazine after magazine, and sometimes the hogs won’t even run.

Kind of an exaggeration, but you can take out a lot of hogs.

– I will wager a guess to say that, that MP5 with that suppressor is probably as quiet as my 2245 with a SilencerCo barrel on it. – [Alex] It’s very quiet.

It’s a very quiet gun, also the MP5 is legendarily reliable, this gun runs great.

It’s compact, especially if you collapse the stock.

You can fit it inside of the little dashboard-thingy inside the side-by-side, which is nice, that way it doesn’t turn into dusty, (Patrick laughs) by hanging it off (laughs) the vehicle.

So that gun is a great hog gun.

It’s uncommon, I’ll also take an AR-15 sometimes, because 223, obviously at rifle ranges, if I’m hunting in a blind, or where we’re walking is a little bit across the fields but, when you have a vehicle, it doesn’t really matter if you have a sub gun with limited velocity.

I’ve actually killed a hog with a MAC-10, from about 300 yards away.

Now, I dumped the whole magazine, and I only got three of them but, you know.

It’s okay. (Patrick laughs) – Hey, it’s three more than you had! – Right, it’s three more hogs than I would have with, you know, no gun.

So, back to night vision.

This is kinda comical, but I actually found this at a gun show for a really good deal.

It’s an old Fero, Generation three, night vision piece with an HK claw mount, that mounts on top of the MP5.

Now I’ve never actually hunted with this on top of the MP5, but I have used it as a spotting scope.

I let Patrick with the night vision usually take care of that, because, this just looks ridiculous, and adds so much weight to the gun, and I don’t want to constantly sight it in with the gun.

– Whenever that’s mounted on a gun, it looks right at home in an 80’s action movie.

– It does.

It looks like the scopes from Robo-Cop when they had them on the Barrett.

But, nonetheless it does make a good spotting scope, because it is magnified, so if we stop, we shut the vehicle off, I’ll look across the field, and if there’s hogs, then we’ll stop the vehicle, creep up, and try and get some.

And you know, sometimes we get lucky, sometimes we don’t.

We’re not veteran hunters by any means, we just really enjoy it.

It’s something that we’re continuing to pursue, and we found that these are the best tools of the trade for us so far.

– Yeah.

– But anyways, hopefully we’ll do a hunt soon, or I’ll try and get some GoPro footage or something, so we could post it up on the blog, or at least TFB TV.

That way we can show you what it’s like to hunt with modern weapons.

I think it’s kinda cool again, that these aren’t just weapons of war.

We’re actually applying these to situations where we’re civilians.

– Yeah, I mean it’s kinda cool to see a weapon that’s you know, protecting our freedom, also put food on my table.

– Yeah, absolutely, and that it does, that it does.

But anyways, guys thanks again for watching TFB TV.

This is kind of a unique video, outside of what we normally do, but we hope you guys enjoyed it! If you did, please hit that subscribe button, and we’ll keep ’em coming.

Again, thanks Patrick for helping us out.

– Again, my pleasure.



Alex C.

Alex is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Director of TFBTV.


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  • Clint P

    What ammo do you guys like to use when hunting with 223?

    • Patrick R.

      I was using 62 grain FMJ because that is what I had available. I will probably use 75 grain A-max hand loads after I get my press set up.

    • Zachary marrs

      Ive used anything from 55gr m193 to 77gr otm.

      Just put them where they need to go

  • dan citizen

    cringeworthy.

    There is so much in this video that goes against every rule of hunting I ever learned.

    – Every shot should hit
    – Only humane shots should be taken
    – Target and shoot a specific animal
    – Do not shoot more animals than you can track
    – Use a caliber adequate for the game

    • 1. I don’t think you have hunted at night in vehicles.
      2. Indeed, when possible your aim for the center mass of the heart and expect the following 2 to 3 rounds to be sufficient.
      3. Ideally yes, pick the animals off one by one. But when you have a machine gun your options are more… Conducive to what we are doing.
      4. Generally our limit is how many we can fit in the vehicle 🙂
      5. Do we not?

      Dan, with all due respect I do not believe you’re an experienced hog hunter, or you would know that this sort of thing has become the norm here in Texas. What you have learned about hunting might hold true for Whitetail deer out in, well wherever you are, but these animals are a menace and I would kill them all with my M2HB 50 caliber if I could mount it on the side by side.

      • dan citizen

        1. I don’t think you have hunted at night in vehicles.

        I have hunted men and animals from vehicles at night, I am quite familiar with the complexities that arise.

        2. Indeed, when possible your aim for the center mass of the heart and expect the following 2 to 3 rounds to be sufficient.

        By using an adequate caliber, one shot should be sufficient.

        3. Ideally yes, pick the animals off one by one. But when you have a machine gun your options are more… Conducive to what we are doing.

        I have hunted were we had a machine gun with us (not for the game) availability did not mean that was what we chose to use on the game. Though I have seen an elephant and a hippo that were taken down with an automatic rifle by poachers (not to in any way associate what you are doing with poaching, I do not feel there is any similarity)

        4. Generally our limit is how many we can fit in the vehicle 🙂

        I have nothing against large harvests, you at least speak of eating them, I have heard other Texas hog hunters claim the meat is not edible, which is factually incorrect.

        5. Do we not?

        I do not consider 9mm or .45 acp to be adequate for hogs. I dare say that in most areas of the US and abroad my view would be the norm. An adequate cartridge provides a reasonable assurance of a single shot incapacitating the animal.

        “Dan, with all due respect I do not believe you’re an experienced hog hunter, or you would know that this sort of thing has become the norm here in Texas.”

        With all due respect, I have been hunting hogs for more than 3 decades, I have hunted a variety of game on 3 continents, for meat, defense, and pest control. I am well aware that this sort of hunting has become common in Texas.

        What you have learned about hunting might hold true for Whitetail deer out in, well wherever you are, but these animals are a menace and I would kill them all with my M2HB 50 caliber if I could mount it on the side by side.

        I have indeed hunted deer, I do not have difficulty discerning what tools and technique to use for that vs hog eradication, which I took part in from the 1970s through the 1990s.

        I do not think my views are terribly rare.

      • dan citizen

        Ever since this thread something I left unsaid has been bugging me.

        Alex C, I feel very strongly that your character, professionalism, and skill, are well demonstrated in your many articles and videos. I think it is self evident that what sport you pursue, you pursue with great caution and forethought.

        I am an old guy, set in my ways, but that does not mean that my ways are right, or better.

        I want it to be stated clearly that I believe your hunting methods are the result of a skilled professional adapting to the epidemic that hogs have become. Further, I believe your methods are responsible and practical.

        In my mind, I unfairly grouped you with hunters who leave the animal to rot where it fell, when instead, you harvest the meat. Some years back I had some unfortunate run ins with Hawaiian feral cattle eradicators who let the meat spoil while the property owners had to subsist on food stamps. I am still chapped over the issue and I let it color my comments.

        I apologize for my harsh tone and wish you nothing but the best of luck in your efforts to combat the feral hog problem.

    • Vitsaus

      Absolutely. This hog thing has become nothing more than an excuse for guys to play commando on live targets. It takes very little effort to find examples of this, guys in full tactical gear opening up 4-5 at a time on hogs, just firing like a bad action movie. Its kinda pathetic.

      • I mean, I just wear whatever I had on that day:

        • dan citizen

          Is that a lage upper? (I love all things MAC)

        • barry

          Are those tactical midnight camo polos and jeans? So call of duty! This is a different hunting generation, I guess. Some of the old timers may take offense to this because it’s not in their tradition.

          • Indeed. Hell, some old-timers don’t even like the idea of an AR 15 being on the lease with them. Nuts to that.

      • n0truscotsman

        Meh, ive seen the destruction those animals inflict on people’s crops and property. I couldn’t care less if they were dropping 60mm HE on them to be honest.

    • Ross

      If your house was overrun with mice you’d probably like to get as many as you could with whatever you could. Flame throwers, bait piles, nocturnal warfare, poison, traps, etc. You wouldn’t feel bad about finding one still alive in a trap, you’d just take it out, whack it with a shovel, and be on your way.

      The southern states are seeing hogs as vermin, not game animals. They just happen to have bacon inside them.

      This is closer to trying to rid your yard of moles rather than hunting a majestic game animal.

    • Ricardo

      These aren’t deer, they are crop damage waiting to happen. My neighbor lost several acres last year to these bastards. I say keep shooting them until there aren’t any bullets left…

      • Paul White

        that’s a good reason to exterminate them, but you should still try to be humane about it.

    • RealitiCzech

      Hunting has become a ridiculous ‘sport’ these days. Hog ‘hunting’ is usually just hog extermination – they’re trying to kill off as many hogs as possible as quickly as possible, as they’re rampaging through crops and generally being pests/vermin. In this case, they’re actually eating the hogs, so I suppose it does qualify as hunting.
      I will never understand how going up against herbivores with absurdly powerful rifles is somehow ‘sportsmanlike.’ It’s a silly concept on its face, a symptom of a time when you hunt for fun, not food.
      If you want to be a sportsman, face off against a tiger with a bowie knife. If you want meat, blow the critter away with whatever means possible that don’t convert the meat into confetti. Humans did not make it to the top of the food chain by giving all the other animals a fair fight.
      Me, I like beef, so I do my hunting at a Brazilian steakhouse with a knife and fork. I’ve taken down dozens of lambs, cows, and chickens thusly. And they were all delicious.

      • dan citizen

        I don’t believe in making hunting “sporting” I do believe in humane kills.

        • RealitiCzech

          That I do agree with. If you’re going to kill something, you should try to do it quickly so as to avoid it suffering unnecessary pain.

          • Tassiebush

            While reducing unnecessary suffering is a consideration it needs to be balanced against other considerations like effectiveness and the cost of failure. I think recreational hunting of game warrants placing a much higher value on this consideration than pest control, conservation hunting or making sure you get to eat. Letting these pigs escape due to passing up a shot can mean having lambs eaten alive by them or similar outcomes. Arguably you could say suffering prevented by killing them offsets botching the odd pig kill.

        • Zachary marrs

          This is not hunting.

          Hogs are pests, they aren’t some cute little Disney animal, they are disgusting creatures that breed like crazy and destroy anything around them

          They are an invasive species that needs to be eradicated

          If you have a problem with that, well, don’t take part of it

          • dan citizen

            The article refers to it as hunting. They refer to themselves as hunters.

          • Patrick R.

            Seeing as we eat the meat and are not paid to kill them it felt wrong to refer to ourselves as exterminators. It was talked about though.

        • Paul White

          yep. I’d much rather see 6.8 with maybe the 110 grain solids.

      • Oh we produce delicious hog meat that generally goes from alive to processed to in our bellies within a few hours.

        • RealitiCzech

          Dammit, I’m on a diet here. Stop making me hungry!

        • benderdundat

          Hog meat? Are you referring to these ferel hogs? Didn’t know they were worth cooking. We hunted them along the N. Cal coast, nr Half Moon Bay, and no one wanted any of them.

          • Paul White

            some of th emeat’s pretty good. I don’t know that I’d eat all of it, but I’ve had good ribs off feral hog (and I’m not a huge rib fan, but these weren’t as fatty as ribs off farmed hogs). Also, you can make some pretty fair sausage.

    • Patrick R.

      In all fairness it really isn’t hunting, it is more extermination of pests. In the area Alex C. and I live in there are companies set up to do exactly what we are talking about. Hogs are costly little creatures, when trying to get 5-6 out of a pack before they are out of range shooting fast is the only option. I just happen to be more proficient with my SBR than with my other rifles.

      • dan citizen

        Nothing wrong with SBRs. I had an SBR AK that easily outshot full length… Better barrel harmonics.

        • Patrick R.

          I have one as well, it just has a huge muzzle flash. It would blind someone.

          • dan citizen

            Fun to shoot at night for fun, but not really practical.

  • I would like to add that I will continue hunting until all of these boar hybrids have been exterminated. Do your part!

    • Tassiebush

      Are they feral pig /European wild boar hybrids? That’d make them pretty chunky

      • Wild boar/feral hog hybrids that breed like crazy and damage everything! They are nothing but vermin.

        • dan citizen

          They are also quite smart, which makes them that much more troublesome.

          Luckily they’re made of pork.

        • Paul White

          tasty, tasty, vermin!

          But jesus they destroy anything that nest on the ground–turtles, egg laying snakes, ground nesting birds….hell, they’re even deleterious to small mammals. It’s insane. In Europe they’re not as problematic ecologically since that’s where they evolved but here they’re destructive as hell.

    • M

      I hope you handle those hogs carefully… A lot of them carry nasty bugs like brucella that can leave you sick for months.

  • Tassiebush

    Great video guys! That sounds like so much fun! I keep cracking up over the comment “The dips looked like canyons and the canyons looked like dips”. Driving with mono night vision must be a great way to test the nerves.

    • He, yes there is a definite learning curve to it but we do have IR torches to help a bit.

      • Tassiebush

        Sounds a bit like navigating the boat by starlight. Always a tad unnerving, occasionally a bit upsetting and always exhilarating! 😉

  • TheSmellofNapalm

    Gentlemen, I’m considering the purchase of a KAC SR-30/QDC CQB suppressor and Aimpoint Micro T-2 for hog hunting. Any suggestions?

    • I would really, really recommend night vision. Get a used PVS14 and compatible optic so you can hunt at night.
      You can hunt from a blind too. I little trick I use it to get a bag of deer corn and permeate it with strawberry jello powder. It draws the animals in like crazy

      • TheSmellofNapalm

        Is the Micro T-2 not compatible? What about a night optic on the top rail instead?

        • Not sure, I have never played with one. But what night optic are you looking at? A dedicated unit with reticle?

          • TheSmellofNapalm

            I hadn’t started looking yet, hadn’t considered night hunting. I’m sure it would be more successful. I’m just so used to acquiring targets through an optic as opposed to laser designation.

          • the dude

            If you buy the PVS 14, it’s great to mount over your non dominate eye. Shoot with both eyes open and your brain will combine what both eyes are seeing, so your red dot and night vision will be aligned. You don’t even have to take the front sight cover off of your red dot that way.

        • n0truscotsman

          The Micro T-2 is NVG compatible. I would rather have a monocular and mounted IR-lser than a weapon mounted night optic because it substantially improves spatial awareness.

    • n0truscotsman

      Not a bad choice at all. Im with Alex on this too. Get night vision. A gen 3 monocular works best alongside a good IR laser with an integrated illuminator (I recently purchased a ATPIAL-C. Not cheap, but a incremental improvement over what I previously had).

  • davidio flavio

    Wow, IR lasers, I thought I was the only one who has had one for the last 5 years.

    And PVS-7s, that’s so first gulf war. Even with lasers, you still can’t make your brain jive that it’s not using a middle eye, instead of the left or right, and all your years of aiming with one eye and also knowing how you sight down your rifle makes using your faux middle eye so strange it’s too uncomfortable to use with a laser for any length of time.

    Why not talk about using a monocular on your non dominant eye, and leaving your dominant eye unassisted and still using a dim red dot for sighting purposes, your brain naturally sees the ir laser superimposed on the target and you let the red dot align onto the ir laser dot so it feels like a normal shot seen through your normally dominant eye.

    It’s tough to explain until you do it, but it’s far easier than having both eyes night blind and aiming with a binocular NV device.

    And there is also this new fangled tek-nol-ogee called “thermal night vision”, look it up.

    Further, any animal you kill deserves a fast humane death, bringing your pistol caliber machine gun does not assure that, but it sure is a good reason to show off a toy that many other people don’t own.

    Show some responsibility and bring a one shot kill weapon to your hunt, and If you are so afraid of the hogs attacking you, Call of Duty may be where you should be hunting.

    • We use what we have and are not quite ready to dump 6k+ on thermal until the hogs evolve to render night vision obsolete.

      And I have found that using a barrage of 9mm or 45 will put down these horrible animals nicely and precisely. If the idea of a hog in a little pain scares you, then don’t hunt. Also, where we go hunt, there is not a soul to “show off a toy” to. And an MP5 is not exactly exclusive; there are tons of them for sale everywhere and they are $1800 new for a decked out model.

      But an alternative to what we do it helicopter hog hunting.

      • iksnilol

        At least they didn’t use SMGs like somebody else did.

        • Oh, people do. Next year I will be using an FN MAG.

          • iksnilol

            Nothing wrong with an FN MAG. Since you are a manufacturer does that mean you can have post 86′ MGs? I always thought a light MG like the Cetme Ameli would have been decent for extermination purposes provided good ammo is used.

  • iksnilol

    I agree with dan citizen. Stupidity like this got semi and full auto a bad rep in Norway. People thought that just because they have full auto they shouldnt’ care about shot placement and/or proper ammo selection. Know about some guys who tried to take a moose with a sten gun and 3 mags. They only injured the animal.

    Before you get all “they are vermin and whatnot” on me; it still doesn’t excuse using way underpowered stuff (SMGs) at long distances (200-300 meters) only because you have volume of fire. What happened to proffesionalism?

    • I assure you in capable hands an SMG vs a hog will get the job done all day long and quietly. Also with an SMG you get the benefit of subsonic, effective ammo. The one time I used the m10 at 300 yards was when they started to run and that was what I had on me in the vehicle. It worked and I got me some meat.
      But I may retire the MP5 in favor of the FN MAG. But damn if the MP5 isnt great for mowing down a group before they hear or notice you.

  • Alex Nicolin

    Aren’t the 9 mm and the .223 Remington shot from short barrels a bit underpowered for hunting pig/boar hybrids? Here in Romania mature wild boar weighs between 200 and 450 lbs, and it’s very tough. Hunters usually shot them with the heaviest loads in 7x64mm Brenneke (American equivalents .270 Winchester, .280 Remington), .30-06, 8x57mm, 9.3x62mm Mauser (American equivalent .35 Whelen) or 12ga/3″ loaded with heavy slugs. The .308 Winchester is considered the bare minimum. Probably the .223 would be sufficient for small piglets, but would hardly cause a scratch on the adults. but enough make them angry – they can easily cause fatal injuries, especially the tuskers. If one wants to exterminate the species, he has to target the reproducing adults. Killing piglets won’t cut it, since they will produce loads of them, and the mortality is very high at that age anyway.

    • Zachary marrs

      Underpowered?

      Nope

      Big bullets won’t help make up for poormarksmanship

      • dan citizen

        emptying a magazine full auto at 300 hundred yards does not exactly get you vital organ strikes.

      • Alex Nicolin

        It’s not about poor marksmanship, but lack of penetration.The cartridges I named earlier usually produce optimum performance with the heaviest of bullets, meaning that if one shoots a wild boar in the vitals (chest area), the bullet will penetrate and barely have enough energy to exit on the other side. Most times it will simply be found under the skin of the boar on the other side. To exemplify I’m talking about 175 gn at 2800 fps in 7 mm, 198 gn at 2600 fps in 8 mm, 220 gn 2500 fps in .30, 285 gn at 2400 fps in 9.3 mm or 2 3/4 oz. at 1500 fps 12 gauge Brenneke slug shot at close quarters, most times less than 50 yards. How can you kill such a pig with 62 gn at 2600 fps (223. out of 10.5″ barrel on the MK 18) or 147 gn at 1000 fps (9 mm out of the 9″ barrel on the MP5)? As I said before, the latter may be adequate for piglets and juveniles, up to maybe 100 lbs, but not adults that weigh 200-400 lbs or more. If I’m not mistaken there were cased of pigs up to 800 lbs in the US. One cannot rely on a lucky shot from an underpowered rifle against a charging adult pig/boar.

        • Zachary marrs

          “Luck”?

          Guns are not magic, and luck has nothing to do with it

          55gr can kill hogs dead as hell

          A Near miss with a .30-06 won’t

    • dan citizen

      Yes. In most of the USA it is not legal to hunt a hog with these 9mm. 5.56 is on the light end, and 20 years ago was not considered adequate, but over time it has proven itself decent, but not optimal.

      I have seen a hog kill two dogs after absorbing four .308 rounds through the chest.

      • Patrick R.

        It is legal in Texas. It seems the .223 ar is the weapon of choice for most hog exterminators here, at least from what I have seen.

        • Alex Nicolin

          How big are the hogs?

          • Patrick R.

            200-300 pounds. They don’t get much bigger than that we have seen.

          • Alex Nicolin

            If they are between 100-200 lbs the .223 is marginally effective. It will kill them more slowly, and probably more shots on a particular animal would be needed. If you shoot them from the car and they can’t turn around and charge, that’s good enough I guess.

        • Paul White

          I’d kind of like a semi auto in .260 remington or something for them myself.

          • Patrick R.

            It might be a better choice, but this is what I have currently.

        • dan citizen

          Back in the 80s I recall it being generally thought of as inadequate. I always figured if it is good enough for a man, it should work for a hog.

          I have hunted alongside folks using 5.56 and have put down a few with it myself when opportunity arose, it performed fine.

          I thought the heavier weights did a better job, but 55s seemed to do the job.

    • P

      Agree with Alex Nicolin regarding caliber. But then again, if it is allowed to use full auto then there is a difference in hunting ethics. Here in Sweden cal 6,5 is minimum. Normally one would use at least 308. 9,3×62 is usually preferred. Also slugs are allowed from one barreled shotguns. Is it legal all over USA to hunt hogs with pistol calibers or 223? To be added, Sweden is very conservative in hunting, semi-auto rifles that do not look like Mausers can be difficult to get a hunting license on.

      • P

        Hadn’t loaded all comments. Saw that dan citizen had answered re legality.

      • Alex Nicolin

        I agree, 6.5x55mm loaded with heavy, limited expansion bullets can bring down large animals, including boar. For example 140 gn at 2780 fps for 2400 ft-lbs. I didn’t mention it because it’s not legal for hunting boar in Romania and it’s not a particularly popular cartridge overall despite its flexibility. The rules were quite illogical actually, and were based on the length of the tube which is quite irrelevant. For boar, a minimum length of 2.2″ (57 mm) was required. And the 6.5x55mm fell short. Now I think they changed the rules and they are based on energy and caliber, which makes more sense. But weapons are quite expensive here, and the hunters tend to keep what they have for a long time. Most use .30-06 and .308.

  • mosinman

    I’m hardly a hunter but I’d personally want to use an AK “pistol” 7.62×39

    • Patrick R.

      I have a SBR’ed m92 PAP pistol, but the flash is insane at night. The muzzle flash is every bit of three feet long. Not too good for night hunting.

      • mosinman

        I’m sure you guys have a few .30 cal silencers

        • Patrick R.

          I don’t yet.

          • mosinman

            Well if you ever get one it’d be cool to see how well a silencer can tame the muzzle flash on that MPAP

          • Patrick R.

            as a result of the threads on the M92 I doubt I will ever suppress it. It remains a fun gun for the range.

        • Nope.

  • Giolli Joker

    Given the level of your collection, that MP5 should be an MP5-10…

  • kuba

    What species it exactly is? its typical central european wild boars?

  • Zachary marrs

    5.56 can penetrate enough to reliably kill a hog

  • Jon Hutto

    One problem is you shoot a hog, sometimes the others run at you and not away.. And you better see the one running at you…

    Friend shot a 200lbish that was running straight at him with a 30.06, broke it’s back and it kept crawling to him, shot it in the face at 5′ and it stopped..

  • Guido FL

    Doing my part in South FL exterminating these critters using a AK47 with SP ammo, one and done.