Sarsilmaz 109 SMG at IWA


Sarsilmaz Silah Sanayi A.S. showed its SAR 109 submachine gun at the IWA Outdoor Classics show in Germany. The SMG is chambered in 9mm, and the company claims it “outclasses [the] MP5.”

The SAR 109 uses a blowback action and takes Colt 9mm magazines.


  • caliber: 9mm
  • length (folded): 25.2″
  • length (extended): 29.1″
  • barrel length: 8.7″
  • twist rate: 1:10″
  • weight (unloaded): 5 pounds (0.36 stone)
  • rate of fire: 900-1000 rpm

A semi-automatic version of the gun, the TE54, is being made for the civilian market. Both versions of the gun are based on the company’s SAR 223 assault rifle.

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  • maxim

    No unlocked blowback action gun will ever outclass the MP5.

  • TCBA_Joe

    Its a 9mm with a shortened receiver to match. Hardly “outclassing” the MP5.

    • MPWS

      They ‘outclassed’ themselves – look at ROF. With anything so short you need some means of bolt retention such as MP5 has. As much as MP41 was one time leader in the class, so is MP5 now.
      I suspect the AR style is presumably for easier marketing. They underestimate gun loving public in U.S.

  • Frank

    Why are we forever stuck with the AR-15 pattern/style? Is there really so little creativity and taste in the firearm community?

    • wetcorps

      Anything original doesn’t sell because “it’s not an AR”.

    • Cal S.

      Because people have grown to like the modularity/ergonomics? I’ll confess to that.

      Think of it like this: the most popular rifle is the AR-15, and an awful lot of people have put an awful lot of money into their gear (optics, lights, grips, plus maybe some tacticool stuff) and magazines/ammunition. For me, I know that I’m reluctant to transition to another type of firearm (like an AK) that doesn’t accommodate a lot of crossover simply due to the up-front costs associated with the move. If I’m going to be intruding into the market, I’m going to go where the money is. That happens to be ARs for now.

      However, there are some irritating limitations with the AR platform. I’m open to originality for sure.

      • Kelly Jackson

        I think it’s more base than that, it’s used because it’s cheap.

        Nobody owns the design anymore so anyone with a CNC can punch one out.

      • Frank

        It was a rhetorical question.

    • Bman

      The real issue is they put the arguably 2 worst features of the AR on this gun: the buffer tube and charging handle. I get that the charging handle is ambidextrous, but it’s a terrible design and placement.

    • Tim Pearce

      The firearm community doesn’t like new good ideas. We still crave and buy 1911s. More deer are taken with .30-30 today than with other cartridges. The .45 ACP, if it were introduced today, would probably be laughed off the market because it’s archaically low-pressure. But, because it was introduced (I could be wrong here) by Saint Browning, there are people that ascribe mythical capabilities to it.

  • mechamaster

    Let’s see how it clashed with MPX or UMP 9mm.

  • sianmink

    The SMG is chambered in 9mm, and the company claims it “outclasses [the] MP5.”
    Outclasses a 50 year old stamped steel dinosaur?
    It had damn well better! Yet I doubt it does.

  • MR

    I still want one.

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  • MountainKelly

    I say they start making the mp40 again. Because.

    • iksnilol

      Nothing wrong with the MP40, sure it is old and a relic but it works. If it didn’t work I doubt they would be used (I personally know some people who used them during the war in Bosnia).

  • Michael R. Zupcak

    Off topic but does anyone know what’s going on with the Sig MPX? I’m seeing MCX’s in stores and on GB but no MPX anywhere. Did they run into reliability problems or is literally every one they make going to fulfill a contract somewhere?

  • A random AR builder

    I want the components that make this gun. Using a Hahn block is good but I feel this gun could be the basis of much more elegant builds. I want Sarsilmaz to import stripped lowers and uppers. Forget the rail, I will choose my own. I wonder if the bolt assembly and charging handle are standard 9mm… Heck import a 9mm AR bolt for less than $200 and a lot more people will do a pistol caliber build.

  • Cal.Bar

    The good news is we don’t have to worry about it. As it is a center fire rifle made in a foreign country it will be viewed as an “assault rifle” by the ATF and not be allowed to be imported to the US for general sales without significant neutering.

  • Kurt Akemann

    Fit it with a SIG brace and get rid of the vertical foregrip and I think it’d sell decently here.