TFBTV: The Amazing AUG Bullpup

The Steyr AUG is one of, if not the world’s most successful bullpup, albeit even today the AUG certainly looks quite strange to the uninitiated. While the bullpup configuration was by no means a new idea, it certainly went mainstream in the West with the AUG.

But how does this Austrian wonder-rifle shoot?

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Full transcript of the video is below …

– [Voiceover] The Steyr AUG is one of those guns that just looks like a space blaster now, and I can only imagine what people thought about it when it was introduced in the late 1970’s.

It looks really cool, and it’s got two distinctive features.

It’s a bullpup, and it’s got two vertical grips on it.

I’m sure that both of these were revolutionary at the time, and people really did a double-take in gun stores.

I really like this gun because it’s very short and handy.

I throw it in my hunting vehicle when I’m going around the lease, and I’m on, well, I guess what you’d call varmint patrol, after hogs and coyotes.

It rides right next to me in the passenger’s seat.

Or, if I have the gun rack on the vehicle, it somehow fits into that.

I choose the AUG to ride shotgun with me because of its handling characteristics for reliability.

And the optic I put on it is great for hunting.

It’s a great day-time weapon, and even at night or in twilight, it’s pretty decent without night vision.

It’s also worth noting that the receiver is well-sealed against dirt and grime, so you don’t have to worry about that.

Right here, I show how to field-strip the firearm.

Of course, you always start and make sure the firearm is unloaded by checking the chamber.

What I do next, is I lock the charging handle to the rear, rotate a small pin that’s located on the front of the gun, and pull the barrel right out.

After this, what you do, is you drop the bolt carrier back forward, press this button, located on the side of the receiver all the way out, it is captive.

Then the receiver, bolt, and bolt carrier assembly come out.

Separate the two, and this is really all you need to do for a simple field-strip.

Although, you can go into more detail by field-stripping the carrier group all the way down.

Taking the bolt out, removing the firing pin, etc.

But I usually just hit it with some brake cleaner or rim oil, or something, because the gas piston does a good job of diverting dirt and debris away from all that stuff.

Anyways, the real question is, how does it shoot? You’ll notice right here, I lock the barrel in like the guy from Die Hard, because I just can’t get enough of that, and then I get to work.

The recoil impulse of the AUG is very odd, it’s got a delayed, kind of clunk to it, unlike other firearms that use a very similar tappet, such as the G36 or AR-18.

It might be because of the bullpup design, or it might be because of the way the carrier is shaped, which you saw, there’s two long prongs on it.

Either way, it’s a pleasant firearm to shoot, and I can see why many nations have adopted it.

I really enjoy shooting it, and my friend here, Patrick, who’s also my cameraman, actually really enjoyed it, especially after he found out that the Irish military use it, and he’s more Irish than Guinness.

In fact, I think he enjoyed it so much that he might actually be in the market for one.

It was pretty difficult to pry it out of his hands after he dumped a mag, and he got probably more trigger time on the gun than I did this day.

That being said, I did get my fair share.

And every time I bring this gun out it brings a tremendous smile to my face.

It’s also a very accurate firearm.

While the trigger’s bad, everything else comes together very well.

Soda cans don’t stand a chance.

I like shooting it with the foregrip folded forward, kind of in a more traditional rifle layout.

But, I can obviously understand, with it folded down, using it as a second pistol grip, it would be easier to manipulate in close quarters.

This is my favorite shooting stance, and the AUG’s layout is very conducive to this stance.

I don’t know why, but it just feels very natural.

Prone, I kind of have an issue because the magazine protrudes pretty conspicuously below the gun, so I’ve found that this way is best for me.

Patrick, on the other hand, prefers standing.

Maybe that’s a product of being in the Army, but he is incredibly accurate with this rifle, and, of course, most rifles.

That concludes our short overview of the Steyr AUG.

It really is a cool gun to shoot, and it just really is unique.

As one of the world’s most successful bullpups, you can understand why when you shoot one.

It looks cool, everything comes together well.

It’s ergonomic, and when you lock the barrel in, you just feel like a bad-ass.

All in all, I’m very happy with this gun, and I’m glad to have it in my safe.

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  • Some Dude

    I love my A2 version with an OD green A3 stock. I’ll be sure to pickup a new M1 version with the 3X optic.

  • Bill

    One of my regrets from the 1980’s was not picking up an AUG when they were far more common and far less expensive. I passed on the MSAR, but now with STANAG/AR mag reciprocity, it, the FS2000 and the Tavor are short-listed for my next fighting rifle. If the original AUGs had a shortcoming, it was that the could not be readily fired from the off-side, such as around corners and cover. A friend who happens to be way smarter than me found that just rolling the rifle 90 degrees sort of solved that issue. ejecting cases downward, albeit with a bad cheek weld.

    The original optic, with it’s low-power and donut-hole reticle, was a couple decades ahead of its time, and gathered a surprising amount of light for it’s size.

    With the exception of some of the more exotic target/precision rifles, in my experience ALL bullpens have a less than great trigger press. No one has yet engineered linkage of that length to match a conventional trigger.

    • Bjorn the Brave

      Why bother with the Tavor? It has way too many design flaws for which you’ll need to spend the extra after market buck. Just wait for the MDR.

      • Tom

        Do you have specifics because I have not heard many bad things said about the Tavor.

        • Bjorn the Brave

          1) It runs far too dirty than is usually the case with long-stroke
          piston op.
          2) No provisions for gas settings, so running a can is virtually
          impossible.
          3) Heat build up is too high/too fast, especially at the front.
          4) Gas blows straight into your face (‘Tavor Face’).
          5) Twist rate is 1:7, so you can’t really run .223 (look into and compare
          the PWS MK116, you’ll see what I mean)
          6) 12-rail sits too low for most optics.
          7) 9-rail is polymer, so are all the controls (to each their own but I
          don’t like that. YMMV).
          8) Stock trigger is horrible.
          9) Lower/hand guard rails seem to have never been envisioned at all.
          10) No provision for the recoil spring to be removed, only way to
          replace the spring is to swap out the entire BCG.

          4), 6), 7), 8) and 9) can be remedied with after market ata price. The other points cannot by any means.

          Conclusion: the Tavor is a very poorly designed rifle. There are far better options out there.

          Also, I’d like to add that if something goes horribly wrong at the
          political level, with Washington, in all its wisdom, deciding to ban the Tavor for one or the other reason, you’ll be screwed. Where are you going to get spare parts and what limited support IWI offers? WFYB, but personally, I would never get a Tavor. Nor would I bother with any bullpup other than the MDR. Mark my words, that thing is going to blow all the others out of the water.

          • iksnilol

            How is a long stroke piston a dirty action? Now you are confusing me almost as much as calculus.

            All the other stuff is valid though.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            It’s not (long-stroke piston that is). It’s just due to design flaws in the Tavor that it runs too dirty. I would not put my money on a Tavor. It’s better spent elsewhere (a well thought out AR build, an upgraded AK, an MDR). The Tavor is a fundamentally flawed design and should never have been brought to the market in it’s current form. Sure it sells like hot buns, but if you take a closer look it is by no means ‘all that’. I’d rather get an MDR, which is set in about the same price range. Perhaps a little more expensive but fip side of the coin is you don’t need all the after market the Tavor needs.
            My guess on MDR’s ETA is 2016, DesertTech isn’t gonna rush this one, they never do anyway.

          • iksnilol

            Lemme guess, you like MDR? Just joking. If I am going for a bullpup I most likely will get an AUG then modify it for ambidexterity. That’s because the AUG is on the approved list for so called practical competition guns here in Norway. To get a gun reviewed I would have to provide the gun itself and pay 650-1300 USD to get it reviewed. And that is no guarantee of it being approved, if it isn’t approved then I am also a rifle short. In short, it would cost me.

            If laws aren’t as much an issue (like in Bosnia), then I would rather work towards making a modern copy of the Korobov TKB-022 (integrally suppressed of course without adding length).

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Yep 😀 I’m all over the MDR. I’m an AR/AK guy (like ’em both equally) and look upon the MDR as the perfect DH rifle. Especially at night. I think bullpups really shine in night time indoors scenarios. They are perfect for those conditions, especially if you invest in NVG’s, a good laser and and an EOTech HWS. Then you’re absolutely a step up.

          • iksnilol

            I think bullpups in general are nice. I wouldn’t limit them to just night time indoors scenarios. Also, a short bullpup might eliminate the need for PDWs like the P90 and MP7. You might have picked up that I really like the Korobov TKB-022. It is a really nice design, 53 cm long with a 41 cm barrel. And since the ejection is ambi-friendly (forward tube thingy) getting it be ambidextrous shouldn’t be too hard.

            Like I said, I would like to one day make a modern copy/adaptation of the Korobov TKB-022. I have a couple of engineer and machinist friends, they could help me out. Besides, I have the drawings of the mechanism. Just need to get some dimensions. Though I need to focus on more realistic goals at the moment. Like getting my drivers license, and getting a job, choosing a college. The regular “just starting out in life, ain’t got no clue about what I am doing” spiel.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            I disagree. Bullpups are okay for Tier One/LE/HD fast in fast out and alike short term scenario’s, but not suitable as military/go to war platforms. This is due to the fact that they are ergonimically less desirable in especially prone positions. On top of that, alot of people like a variable length of pull.

          • iksnilol

            Variable length of pull doesn’t exclude bullpups. It is really simple to make and all. Makes me wonder why it hasn’t been made earlier.

            The prone argument, that one holds water.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            It does. variable length of pull means you can configure the stock position. A bullpup is ‘comes as is’.

          • iksnilol

            What I meant was just because a gun is a bullpup doesn’t mean that it can’t have an adjustable LOP.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            How were you planning on adjusting a FIXED stock???

          • iksnilol

            If the Croatians didn’t have problems making a bullpup with an adjustable stock then why should everyone else?

            ALSO WHY ARE WE SHOUTING!

          • Bjorn the Brave

            I have no idea… But didn’t the Croatian Army use the F2000T and then revert to Yugo AK’s, or was that Slovenia? I’m not familiar with each and every military’s arsenal. My knowledge on all these small, non-proliferating countries is a bit hazy. And to be honest with you: I’m more of a commercial market guy and don’t bother with all the stuff we can’t get as civies anyway. The American armaments/military related gear market is very well positioned both domestically and internationally. Americans love R&D and invest many resources in that area. Much of what is being brought on the market is simply not needed or doesn’t get picked up by agencies (Mil, LE etc) so it ends up at the commercial segment. The American consumer aka civilian gun owner/outdoors person benefits tremendously from this spill-over effect. Those are the blessings of a highly competitive and overall well funded and managed free market economy. There is no such thing in socialist Europe where everything is tightly controlled, insanely regulated or in it’s entirety owned by the government. The result is that European industry suffers from a tremendous lack of turnover and remains small compared to American business. It all has to do with freedom, democracy, proper gun/civil rights and a truly free market economy.

          • iksnilol

            A truly free economy also f**** people over royally. Moderation in everything if you ask me. + I wouldn’t call the USA truly democratic. You, akin to all the other “socialist” countries are content with choosing (sorry, electing) the ruling class. It baffles my mind how people can call it a true democracy. A democracy is supposed to be ruled quite literally by the people. As in the people vote on every issue.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            I’d sincerely love to continue this discussion with you, but I cannot reply to this comment in detail because both of us would be reprimanded for violating this board’s rules (firearms, not politics).

          • Dan

            manufacture the LOP to be shorter than it needs to be, then add an adjustable buttplate or a way to shim the buttpad for more LOP, kinda like shotguns.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            That entirely depends on the manufacturer’s willingness/marketing to build the stock as such.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            To modify the AUG for ambidextrous use, you should look at the top rail and shell deflector available at One Source Tactical/Suarez International. Not likely available for long if they still are as AUG sales are diving as Tavors fly off the shelves and the MDR watch continues.

          • iksnilol

            Top rail? The A3 already has a top rail. Shell deflectors are available from several sources.

            I am more intested in what TroubleShooterBerlin made. Check him out on the webs.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            The A3 is beautiful. I like the AUG design. Nice and well thought out foregrip, nice rail and height, nice CH, easy disassembly etc. And some very nice aftermarket items.

          • john huscio

            You do know they build Tavors here right? An “import ban” is useless. Even before they opened the plant in Harrisburg the Tavor probably had enough american made parts in it to be legal.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Copies all. Still, just worried about Washington kicking IWI out of the US. Not sure whether the Tavor owners would have a steady flow of spare parts under such conditions. Just my $0.02

          • Scott P

            How could they kick out IWI? Unless IWI starts supplying guns to America’s “enemies” without even hiding the fact but even then that will never happen since you do know that IWI=Israeli right? The biggest benefactor of our aid as well as Israel’s only friend in the world being the U.S. government.

            So yea that will happen when the government kicks out AR manufacturing.

            I get it though you don’t like the Tavor that is fine but to say it is rubbish is just ignorance. If it is so crappy then go to Azerbaijan, Brazil, Cameroon, Chad, Chile, Colombia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Guatemala, Honduras, India, Israel, Macedonia, Mexico, Nigeria, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, Vietnam, and even to the Pennsylvania Capitol Police to tell them what a bunch of morons they are for using the Tavor ignoring the proven combat experience of the Tavor in numerous conflicts with your superior internet commando knowledge of firearms.

            Also if you knew as much as you say you do you would know the triggers on U.S. “compliant” Tavor’s are not the one’s used overseas. You can thank our government for it being neutered and crappy.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            To each their own, but the Tavor has many design flaws and that is a fact. Read my reply to Tom 2 days ago.

          • Scott P

            I did it read it and all of it was subjective nonsense. Again if you don’t like it great but you are still wrong about it being a design flaw just because you don’t like it especially when facts andlogic fly in your face showing the contrary as well as the numerous nations adopting it and by their Special Forces no less.

            I don’t like Glock’s but just because I don’t does not mean they are crap.

          • thedonn007

            It sounds like I should sell my Tavor now and save up for the MDR.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            That would be a wise thing to do if you ask me. Unless you are happy with your Tavor as it is of course. Your call, but I’d get rid of it and put the money away for an MDR.

            Here’s how I’d fit it out:

            EOTech EXPS3 HWS
            Surefire M620P Fury Scout Light & Z68 Tail Cap Switch w/ LaRue Tactical Surefire Scout Light LT272 QD Lever Mount @ 9
            L-3 AN/PEQ-15 (ATPIAL-C) IR Laser @ 3
            Savvy Sniper Quad X Cobra Sling
            2x ALG Defense Forged Sling Swivel
            Daniel Defense Rail Mount QD Swivel Attachment Point
            Lancer Systems L5AWM Translucent 30-Round Magazines w/ Magpuls

            As you can see it’s accessories only, no after market.

          • thedonn007

            Any idea what will be the MSRP on the MDR?

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Rumors are +/- $2200, but don’t quote me on that one. I’m just as dependent on the internet as everybody else.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            I’d swap the EOTech for an Aimpoint T2, but that sounds nice.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            “2) No provisions for gas settings, so running a can is virtuallyimpossible.”

            There are platforms w/o adjustable gas settings that are fine as suppressor hosts. Are you specifically aware of problems with the Tavor in this regard?

            That would eliminate my only interest in that rifle. I prefer the AUG and FS2000 by a wide margin, but I like the extreme compactness of the Tavor. I thought it might be interesting with the munimum length barrel and a short suppressor.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            As I mentioned earlier, the Tavor is a dirty running platform (dirtier than you would expect from a long-stroke piston gun, which is unacceptable) and has no gas settings. So imagine what would happen when running it with a can…

            As for AUG parts availibility: that may or may not be the case (as fas as I know the only parts source is PJS), but the single most important part -a proper trigger- is not, because RatWorx discontinued the Hybrid Trigger Mod.

        • We have a “Battle Of The Bullpups” video coming soon where we put an individual with no trigger time on bullpups against the FS2000, Steyr AUG, and TAVOR. Should shape up to be a good segment!

    • Mystick

      In the case of the AUG, trigger pressure is the semi/full fire selection mechanism.

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      I love my fs2000s, Bill. Fantastic weapons.

  • Bjorn the Brave

    AUG, Tavor, FS2000: the MDR will kill them all….

    • I would love to test one!

      • Bjorn the Brave

        Same here! I’m really waiting on the MDR. She is a thing of beauty and just SCREAMS quality.

        • Absolutely. As a funny note, MDR is the equivelant of “LOL” in French speaking countries, haha.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            😀

          • iksnilol

            Well, you will be LOL’ing when your T-zoning is dropping ’em like Cholera.

            Bonus point if you get the indirect reference.

          • wetcorps

            And that’s why I have a hard time taking this rifle seriously 🙂

    • santi

      The MDR seems to be far superior for sure but I’d have to pay respects to the AUG for paving the way. Its been around for decades and its still alive and kicking, a grand dad of bullpups of sorts. Can’t wait for the MDR.

      • Bjorn the Brave

        Of course! The AUG is VERY cool -I think everyone will agree-, but it’s dead. The MDR will be the final nail in the coffin.

        • santi

          Haha, I laughed as soon as I read “It’s Dead>” You are right but Ill always still love my AUG.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Spare parts are drying up and are hard to come by (and aren’t exactly cheap). There used to be an outstanding after market trigger for it, I forgot the name -it was made by RatWorx though-, but production has ceased due to low demand as the AUG is not nearly as widespread as the AR, AK or even the Tavor. So from a commercial/marketing point of view the AUG is dead. Don’t get me wrong, I like the AUG just as much as you do, but due to the above-mentioned reasons I’ve put it out of my head a long time ago.
            Waiting on the MDR 🙂 I’m an AK, AR and MDR guy in the rifles realm.

          • Sulaco

            Not to mention the MSAR clone which did not have parts that interchanged for the most part with the AUG. No parts for repairs is why I got rid of my clone. If the AUG is made in USA then I might consider a new one.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Exactly. Logistics is key. Rule of thumb: If it’s not supported, don’t get it. There is a reason why most folks own AR’s and AK’s and nothing else. Good luck getting spare parts for AUG’s, SCAR’s, ACR’s et cetera and so forth. The market is simply not there. How many people own all these ‘latest and greatest’ space age AR/AK killers?? I wonder how long a by all means interesting rifle such as the ARX-100 will stick around. The AK and AR have been around for decades and are here to stay, that is a fact. Same thing with the P226 in the hand gun realm. Classic platforms are rock solid investments and there is an established word wide logistics support base for that matter. If you go outside of that, you run risks you don’t want to run unless you’re an agency on a $$$$ budget or a billionaire.

          • “X” is cheap and there are plenty of “X”, so we should completely ignore “Y” despite its merits.

            You have been making some spot on arguments in this comment section, but I dislike arguments like these. Do not be hesitant to embrace new platforms. Traditionalists have held back things like self loading rifle adoption (look at Garand’s struggle), integrated optics, intermediate cartridges, etc.

            As far as investments go, unless your AR or AK is select fire, it isnt an investment (or rather, a good one). If the market is saturated as hell with something, basic supply/demand economics apply. Now a rare pre-ban FNC or AR70? You’re golden.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Oh I’m not saying we shouldn’t touch anything new, I’m just saying that staying with what has always been and will be there is a more secure investment (as in: you’ll always be able to get parts and support. I’m not interested in resale value if that’s what you mean by investment. What I buy I intend to keep for the rest of my life). The AR and AK will always be the biggestshare holders of the entire gun business. As for new products, the MDR looks promising, and perhaps the ARX-100 will be here for a good lenth of time as well because the Italian military uses it.

          • Will always be? They said the same thing about the mauser 98 for decades 🙂

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Gotcha 😉 But let’s not fool ourselves. The AK has been around since 1947 (68 years) and the AR since 1963 (52 years). Both have been there longer than the M98, and there are no indications whatsoever they ever will go away. The AR and the AK (and P226) are here to stay. Nobody is going to shut down the line on either of those platforms. “Not in a million years.”

          • Been where longer than the M98? They are still in service (the gun’s action is the basis for every bolt action military rifle in use today sans a few whizbangs).
            Also if you want to become completely unenthused by the ARX-100, read my review:
            http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/17/gun-review-beretta-arx-100-review/
            It is unquestionably the worst military style semi automatic rifle I have shot… and I have shot a lot.
            As for no spare parts, I think you are often exaggerating. You would be surprised how easy it is to find parts for rare guns for cheap (simply because few people want or needs them!). You can also always make small parts like firing pins, or if you are savy and have some machine tools you can become more ambitious and make a lot more!

          • Bjorn the Brave

            True on the M98’s action. Of course, the Mauser action is legendary.
            Wooow… just wooow on the ARX. How come Tim Harmsen aka MAC seems to be okay with it? Just look at those groups. That is unacceptable for M193, the sights are indeed a joke but those can be replaced anyway. And I know that trigger is too darn heavy. I agree the charging handle leaves much to be desired. Hmmm, I think I’ll pass after all.
            I seems SCAR parts are veeery hard to come by?..

          • I can call FN and get them.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Ok, great! Didn’t know that yet.

          • Scott P

            Different strokes for different folks.

            Alex hates it, MAC likes it. So what. Buy and shoot what works for you. Me? I would not mind getting one especially with their prices dropping like a rock plus I like how different it is so I find it interesting.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            By all means do! I consider myself a traditionalist. The P226, AK and AR are the basics. Everything else is ‘extra’, but you don’t ‘need’ it. YMMV

          • What is this “need”?

          • Bjorn the Brave

            That depends on philosophy of use.

            *P226: self defense/CQB.
            **AR: open terrain/distance engagement.
            **AK: urban environment.

            *Because it’s proven by agencies that rank among the best, including the Navy SEALs, British Army, SAS, NZDF and JTF2.

            **Because the market/support is guaranteed.

            1) I’m a logistics finicky guy and tend to stay with and endorse what 2) has been proven by well-established agencies and 3) will always be there. I will not at all deny the fact that I’m a traditionalist. I certainly don’t hate on other people’s choices -to each their own-, I just think that the AK, AR and 226 are no-brainers and it’s kinda apples to oranges adding Glocks etc to the discussion, if you get my drift.

          • Scott P

            Yea so am I but just sticking with “traditional” stuff gets boring as hell but if you are fine with just sticking with that just like the guys who for instance only own 3 guns and hate collecting just seeing guns as tools or those just buy American guns have at it.

            Also need has nothing to do with the equation how about just owning something different and unique to break from the mundane as well as expanding one’s knowledge as well as your own proficiency of other stuff out there?

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Like I said, I’m perfectly fine and happy with my choices. And indeed, I regard guns as tools. To each their own. I don’t have any need to collect guns and like to keep everything basic and simple. I prefer to stick with what has been proven for many, many years by well-established agencies and will have guaranteed [and in the case of the P226 and AK worldwide] logistics support for the years to come. As for proficiency on other platforms: a car is a car. Anybody with a license can drive any car. Same thing with guns if you ask me, it’s not rocket science. Every gun is pretty much self-explanatory. I don’t see how, for instance, a SCAR is different form an AR. Apart from the CH its manual of arms is the same. And it has been decided that the SCAR will not replace the AR as it does not offer enough over the AR to justify replacement. I know that’s hard to swallow when the gov spend billions on absurdities such as the Stryker, F-35 and LCS, while in the meantime small arms -that cost only a fraction in comparison- are at the bottom of the budget priorities list. But that unfortunately is the world we live in. So I will not go with anything new, fancy and space age guns (how many ‘AR replacements!’ have we seen these last years??) unless a bunch of highly regarded agencies give it a long-term contract and thus guaranteeing a logistics chain as well as affordable prices for the general public. That is my overall requirement. In the meantime, the stuff I pick has been proven by some of the world’s finest agencies.

          • iksnilol

            I see you are fond of the P226 due to how common it is. What are your thoughts about the CZ75? I like them precisely for their commonality and for how inexpensive they are (at least in Europe). That and they are comfortable to use.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            CZ fan as well. SIG Sauer and CZ are the handgun brands I endorse. I like SIG Sauer’s attention to fit and finish better though, and the P226 has proven itself as many well-estalished agencies have adopted it. Getting parts for CZ’s is difficult (CZ having a less efficient business model). I’m very fond of the LH9N MKII and PPQ M2 as well, but, as with CZ: getting parts… I’m a logistics finicky guy. SIG Sauer has distributors and a supply network in all corners of the earth. Lionheart, Walther, not so much.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            “I seems SCAR parts are veeery hard to come by?”

            Expensive, but easily acquired.

          • Why do you keep referencing the P226? They are not common at all in my neck out the woods. Here (Texas/American Southwest) the 1911 and Glocks seem to reign supreme. The 226 is a premium handgun and I know few people that have them.

            What country are you in where the 226 is the most common sidearm?

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Because it’s proven by a whole lot of well-established agencies (incl. Navy SEALs, SAS, British Army, NZDF, JTF2, and that says alot). I’m a policy advisor to the Dutch Marine Corps dealing with equipment choices, and, like many other Tier One outfits in the world, they use the P226 as well. Doesn’t the TX DPS use the P226? I know they tried the M&P (and didn’t like it) so they reverted to the P226. As for my personal preference: I love this gun and it fits my hand like a glove. I love the way the controls work and how they are right there where I want them, I love it’s reliability, quality and how well it balances. The P226 was just made for me and I have no use for any other pistol.

            I’m currently located in The Democratic People’s Republic of The Netherlands but I intend to permanently move Stateside within about 2 years from now. Initial point of entry will most probably be VA as that is the state with most of my prospective employment opportunities.

          • I see. But out DPS uses many different handguns. Unlike countries in Europe, our departments have more choices on a precinct by precinct basis. Do not get me wrong, the sig is a fine pistol but it is just not as common here as it is in Europe. I would say by far the most popular law-enforcement pistol is the Glock 20 or 17.

            Also I would highly suggest that you stay in Europe. Hell, want to trade citizenships?

          • Bjorn the Brave

            I’m aware of the Glock’s popularity with LE (Glock gives them away practically for free). SIG’s are expensive, maybe that’s the reason they’re less proliferant. I wouldn’t know. Personally, I hate Glocks. They feel small and boxy in my hand. I just don’t like them at all. I’m a SIG guy. I love this product and am very brand loyal.

            Permanent residency is practically the same thing as citizenship, less some political participation rights. But I can’t comment on that as per regulations. (firearms, not politics).

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            The tier 1 units love the Glock platform. Especially with a RDS.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Everything one needs to maintain an AUG is easily available today even as the AUG’s market share crashes.

          • Dan Atwater

            The receiver is made by VLTOR in Arizona.

            As far as parts availability, that’s not going to stop a good lot of consumers (Tavors seem to be selling really well here but it’s still not an AR-15 so parts aren’t as readily available). If the Steyr/VLTOR thing can hold then I’d bet that the AUG will gain a greater foothold in the market. The only thing holding it back in the past has been availability–hard to import something that’s been banned by name, after all.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            I have to give it to the AUG. It’s really cool. The lack of market share is what is killing it. Demand is simply not big enough. As a result spare parts are hard to come by and expensive. Not a wise investment atall from the ‘keeper’ perspective. What it needs is a significant upgrade and a proper trigger. Anyway, the MDR is going to kill ’em all 😉

          • Scott P

            You do know that Steyr Arms is in Trussville, Alabama right? As well as the fact the receiver is also done by VLTOR, another American company. So yea you are wrong. The current Steyr A3’s are all made in the USA!!

          • Sulaco

            Reading comprehension test here. The comment was about the MSAR clones not Steyr. MSAR went out of buz several years ago and their AUG copy was not parts interchangeable with the standard AUG. TRY to Keep up sometimes.

          • Scott P

            I think you are the one with the reading comprehension problem especially with your own words and I quote from your post:

            “If the AUG is made in USA then I might consider a new one.” -Sulaco

            So I just showed by my evidence as well as by Dan Atwater’s that you are wrong. Also in that statement you did not mention MSAR AUG’s you just said AUG in general. Words have meaning.

          • Sulaco

            Only when you twist them to cover your butt.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Having handled many MDR prototypes…. Don’t get your hype going too early. The fullsize is OK, the small one I hated. It might be decent, but none of these non-ARs do anything to actually replace an AR.

      If I lived in an SBR state, I’d have an AUG or a Tavor with trigger kit. Maybe would consider an MDR, but since I do live in an SBR state…

      • Bjorn the Brave

        I’m looking at the 16″ 5.56 version indeed. Not fond of the small one either. Agreed, it doesn’t replace the AR. But like I said earlier: night time indoors conditions and environments are where bullpups really shine. (Tier One/LE/HD fast in fast out scenarios). As long as you don’t need to fire from a prone position bullpups reign superb. Especially in CQB environments. It all depends on your POU: what do I intend to use it for? How do I kit up? I really like the AK, AR and MDR equally and in random order. Each serve a specific purpose and are thought out accordingly.

        • JumpIf NotZero

          Prone, urban prone, peeking up over a vehicle, “broke-back” behind cover, and general reload and malfunction manipulation… There are a few things bullpups are not good at. Basically every unconventional shooting platform.

          The MDR is interesting but you are getting pretty hyped over a gun that doesn’t really exist still. I was much more interested in one until I got some hand time with them, take that fwiw.

          • Bjorn the Brave

            Point taken. Just imagine a night time burglary. Wht would you rather prefer? A less than convenient AR or AK bumping around breaking sh*t (and thus alerting the enemy) or an MDR you can sneak around with? I’m talking indoors scenarios only! I agree with you on the broke-back argument.

            What was it you didn’t like about the MDR?

          • JumpIf NotZero

            I ran through a couple low light indoor scenarios with a borrowed 16″ AR-15, and never once felt like it was too large. The MUCH larger issue was stress, breathing, and running the light just as it was with handgun.

            I just didn’t like the MDR. I checked my notes from SHOT, I didn’t make any on the MDR. But going from memory, a couple things. It’s all 3D printed plastic still, tells me they aren’t even close to release. The trigger was good going in, but something about it, maybe the reset or the pull wasn’t great for me, I can’t remember if it was single stage or not, that would have put me off. I didn’t really like the charging handle location or feel. And there was something unique or wonky to me about the controls. It was an overall feeling that this gun was not made for me. It might be a great gun, I just have little use for a bullpup 308, and in 556 it just didn’t grab me right away.

            Sorry, didn’t spend much time on it. To be fair to DesertTech, I’m not a big bullpup guy (do own an AUG A1), and it was 3 days in to SHOT, I was kind of sick of guns by that point!

          • Bjorn the Brave

            ETA on the MDR is at least 2016, just my estimate.

  • Raoul Duke

    ~1500 rounds on a AUG A3 STANAG… Works great, except with steel-cased ammo, which causes failures to extract every time. Accuracy is outstanding, and if you shoot Glocks, the trigger is very familiar and workable. I still like it, for the “SBR without” paperwork aspect. On a timer, my first shot from low ready is a hair faster than an AR. Love the ergonomics, still trying to decide if the different manual of arms and left-hand ejection stuff is worth it.

    • iksnilol

      You can get a brass deflector so you can shoot with both shoulders without much problems.

  • phuzz

    Thanks for adding the transcript as well, not all of us can sit and watch videos.

    • That was Steve’s idea. He has hired a transcription service for future videos!

  • Cahal

    Falklands Islands Defence Force adopted the Steyr for any one of the following reasons-
    The basic SA80 was more expensive than a fully kitted out Steyr.
    The
    FCO provided the finance and allowed the FIDF to purchase a weapon of
    their own choice ( apparently thinking they would simply adopt the
    SA80).
    At least one of attached British Army personnel had ‘experience’ of the SA80 during it’s development.
    The British press was full of leaks about the failings of the SA80 around 87/88 when the FIDF adopted the Steyr.
    The FIDF trialled the SA80 and Steyr and the choice was obvious.
    In
    the same way as the Irish Army, the FIDF found that Steyr improved the
    shooting ability of the average shooter/non-infantry specialist with
    little extra training.

  • santi

    Great Vid TFB!

  • CrankyFool

    This is a pretty trivial note, but I really like Alex’s calm voice in narrating these videos. Makes it super-easy to focus on the information and the video rather than many other firearms-oriented videos with LOUD ROCK MUSIC TO TOTALLY AMP YOU UP BRO

    • Lol! Thank you sir. Steve and I were laughing about that the other day.

    • John Yossarian

      Noticed that on his Bond Arms video as well. The delivery really adds to the overall presentation that I think Alex is going for. I’d love to see a library of these videos developing over time. Keep up the great work!

  • Mystick

    One of the things I never could come to like about one of the versions of this firearm(there have been a few) is the fire-selection on the full-auto version. Pull the trigger with 8 pound and it’s semi, and 15 pounds, it’s rock and roll. It just seems that without a positive selection device, in the intensity of the moment in a firefight, there will be a tendency to go full auto.

    Not to mention, 15 pound and 8 pounds? I would imagine your trigger finger would be much bigger than the rest of your fingers from all the disproportionate exercise it’s getting 🙂

    • Jake Barnes

      Having used on in a service role (NZDF) I can say that they work quite well and you rarely ever accidentally fire full auto.

    • RealitiCzech

      Have fired the FA version. The 2-stage trigger worked far better than I expected – no trouble at all firing semi-only. Also, I suspect that the ‘bad triggers’ comment on most AUGs comes from converting that 2-stage design to 1-stage, and using the heavy full auto pull as standard (that is my notion, I have never fired semi-only version). Semi trigger pull on a FA Aug isn’t bad at all.

  • Zebra Dun

    I recall the reason for the fore grip was the hot gas exhausted where one would place their hand.

  • Lance

    Nice page Alex. Sorry never liked the AUG always in terms of bullpups liked the L-85 and even the Tavor better.

    • BaconLovingInfidel

      L-85 is garbage.

  • Стружка Опилка

    AUG A3 SA?

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Ah Auggy… I’ll always love you. But you’ll never replace my AR.

  • Scott P

    +1 to that.

    MDR is so overrated and it hasn’t even hit the streets yet. I hope it does well but I will reserve judgement until it proves itself to be the be-all and end-all of bullpups.

  • 36363

    Here’s the thing. The standard 20 inch aug barrel is the ideal length for 308…
    Just imagine a 308 AUG battle rifle.