KRISS Arms 2015 Products

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At the SHOT Show Range Day, KRISS Arms brought out some interesting things out to the range.

For 2015 there will be an updated KRISS Vector Carbine. They are updating the barrel shroud to an SilencerCo Osprey like design. The one pictured is for a Canadian model due to the longer 18.5″ barrel the shroud is longer. The new Vectors will have a new upper receiver design. They only had the shroud to show off but as you can see in the picture below the integrated light receptacle is blocked. A KRISS rep said that they are moving away from that design so the new ones will be blocked off and not have the integrated light mount at all. They are also going to upgrade the sliding trigger to an AR style pivot trigger for a better trigger feel and pull.

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KRISS Arms will also be offering Cerakoted Vectors in OD Green and FDE. Something I have been personally wanting since the Vector Prototype aired on Future Weapons (that one was in FDE).

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Aside from a few modifications the biggest change is this Vector SMG chambered in 9mm! No news on price or ETA. This demo unit wasn’t even available for Media to play with on Monday at the Range.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • MNOR

    Maybe I haven’t been paying attention, but;
    Have the Guys at KRISS any plans of putting out a version in a rifle caliber? 5.56 300.BLK etc?
    I must say I’m curious on how much of a recoil reduction you would get in such a caliber.

    • Primy

      I doubt that reciprocating assembly could take the punishment of a rifle caliber. Pretty sure they started with 45 for a reason…

      • Kivaari

        .45s are forgiving. They run at very low pressures compared to 9mm, .357 SIG and .40 S&W.

    • LCON

      I doubt it would be practical. The Scale of movement needed and recoil would mean a receiver assembly that would be far larger then any existing AR rendering the cost benefit strongly in the cost category

  • Instead of draping the barrel with a Toblerone bar, why not just pin a lighter flash hider to a short barrel? It would improve the neutered, nose -heavy model us lowly citizens are stuck with.

    • Chris

      Answers searching for questions to fit.
      Carbine length barrel coupled with pistol length iron sight picture
      ( I know they’re mostly going to be back ups to an optic but …)
      And didn’t the whole Vector concept start out as a way to make a controllable .45 sub gun? So is this proprietary system ( and its attendant weight ) necessary for 9mm recoil.

      Don’t mind me, just a bit pissed cool toys like this are a pipe dream in Aus

  • CommonSense23

    So do these actually work, instead of beating themselves up and destroying mags.

    • BryanS

      Nick’s (the guy reporting on this) has been running and he shoots it a lot.

  • Dave

    I’d like to see a kriss in a bullpup configuration. Add a few inches to the chopped barrel length.

    • Ethan

      I think that makes a LOT of sense.. especially on a design like this. Now if we could have all that in .308 for under $1500 plz.

      • M.

        How could that action be moved behind the chamber?

        • dan citizen

          A bullpup does not mean the “action is behind the chamber”

          the vast majority of modern firearms feature an action behind the chamber. The most notable exception would be the Russian TKB O22PM series.

          “Bullpup” describes a modern firearm configuration in which the action and magazine are located behind the trigger group and alongside the shooter’s face

          To bullpup a Kriss you’d mover the firing hand position forward of the action.

          • M.

            Okay and how is that going to happen?

          • Tyler Reesey

            It’s already using a sliding trigger…utilize a transfer bar.

          • Ethan

            The way every other bullpup in the last 40 years has happened. Only this one will probably be even shorter because it recoils down instead of straight back.

            Functionally making it a bullpup would be simple – all action internals would remain the same, only the grip would be moved forward of the mag well, and an action bar used to transfer the trigger pull to the trigger group which would remain near the rear of the weapon.

            Ergonomically though it would take a lot of work. The Tavor was (IMHO) on of the first bullpups that actually spent the time needed to make the weapon pleasant to shoot. A bullpup Kriss would take every bit as much work.. but IMO it would be worth it.

          • Wetcoaster

            The Vector’s barrel is in line with the top of the pistol grip (at about the height of the trigger) and not above it as is the case of a more conventional SMG or carbine.

            Making it a bullpup would involve relocating the pistol grip alongside the barrel or moving the barrel out of line with the firing hand – which would design the entire reason for the design.

          • Ethan

            Not quite – although I would be nice if that feature could be retained. The key selling feature of the Kriss is its downward traveling bolt carrier assembly. It reciprocates down at an angle instead of straight backwards. This is what makes it such a low-recoiling weapon, and (I think) it would enable it to be shorter than a typical straight-back action.

          • Martin Grønsdal

            Hi, you are actualy wrong. The whole selling point of the Kriss is that the barrel is in line with your hand, recoiling backwards into your hand/wrist – thus eliminating your wrist as a hinge (which causes barrel rise).

            When you shoot a pistol, the gun recoils backwards, but because it is held by your hand, and the barrel is above your hand, it climbes up as your wrist yields to the recoil. Wrist is here a hinge.

            now, selling point of the Kriss is to recoil into your hand, not above it – there are two ways to do that. One is to have a gun that is a foot longer than necessary, with the receiver in front of your hand – having a traditional bolt travelling backwards. No one would like that, because the gun would be super long. The second solution is the Kriss, where bolt travels down. Hence, the bolt travelling down is not the point, it is just a way to make the other point happend.

            Now, what I don’t think has been discussed enough is whether the change of direction of the bolt still affects the barrel rise, but that I would leave to engineers and technicians.

          • Ethan

            You are welcome to disagree, but to me (speaking as an Engineer) a low bore axis is a distant second in value to the Vector’s ability to redirect recoil in a *downwards* direction. This capability could be retained even in a bullpup configuration.

          • Ethan

            You are welcome to disagree, but to me (speaking as an Engineer) a low bore axis is a distant second in value to the Vector’s ability to redirect recoil in a *downwards* direction. This capability could be retained even in a bullpup configuration.

            In one case, you are reducing the moment arm by an inch or two, and in the other case you are completely redirecting the force vector to point at your feet instead of across the top of your body “tipping” you over. Like this:

          • Martin Grønsdal

            again, the law of nature states that there is a reaction to any action. Recoil is more or less the reaction.

            The low bore of Kriss makes the reaction go back in the most favourable way, omitting the hinge effect in your wrist.

            However, there are attempts in that gun, and others, to make recoil softer, etc. I am sure the receiver in the Kriss does that. But isn’t that mostly a side effect? Compared to the low bore?

            Putting a very good muzzle brake on an AR does also mitigate muzzle rise, however the forces are still in the ‘wrong’ place.

          • Martin Grønsdal

            Your photo doesn’t show

          • Ethan

            Disqus is choking HARD today… man…

        • mechamaster

          It’s actually possible, just attach lower receiver into bullpup upper. but I think It’s need to redesign the Vector system too, IMO because the angled down backward momentum in the buttstock increase muzzle rise effect.

    • patrickiv

      Wouldn’t that make the muzzle rise more than a traditional blowback? Think of the strong hand as the pivot point. The Super-V applies downward force wherever it’s located.

      Unless the lack of muzzle rise is just the result of the low bore axis.

      • Ethan

        That could be, but I think it would help. I don’t think your strong hand is really the main pivot point as much as your feet are.
        If the recoil was up against your shoulder moving in a downwards direction it would essentially be “pointing” straight down at the ground, rather than “pointing” straight behind you like most guns using your body height like a lever to try and tip you over.

        Either way I’d love the opportunity to shoot it and find out one way or the other (you listening Vector?) 😛

      • Ethan

        That could be, but I think it would help. I don’t think your strong hand is really the main pivot point as much as your feet are.
        If the recoil was up against your shoulder moving in a downwards direction it would essentially be near the center of your body mass “pointing” straight down at the ground, rather than “pointing” straight behind you like most guns using your body height like a lever to try and tip you over.

        Either way I’d love the opportunity to shoot it and find out one way or the other (you listening Vector?) 😛

    • mechamaster

      Well, IMO it’s change the pivot point of angled-down momentum in the buttstock as the pivot point rather than front of pistol grip, and increase the back-flip down recoil and added muzzle rise. Should Kriss create bullpup version, they need to reverse the angle of their Vector-blowback mechanism. ( it’s just from my personal opinion and imagination of course ^^ )

  • greasyjohn

    I guess the KARD never got off the ground then.

  • TangledThorns

    I’d love to buy the KRISS in 9mm though I bet it’d be way more expensive than the new CZ Scorpion. Still, if the KRISS took Glock mags that would be a huge sell for me.

    • noguncontrol

      and a lot more front heavy. the scorpion is probably lighter overall too.

  • Dave

    It’s not that I don’t think these guns aren’t cool, but since TFB reported on a catastrophic out of battery detonation with a Kriss, are they going to put a metal frame in the magazine well so people can actually hold this gun by the magazine well?

    Because the way this gun is designed, buyers without training and warning are going to hold this gun by the magazine well. It looks like it was designed for it.

    • Tassiebush

      Gee one of those out of battery detonations would be extra unpleasant if it were converted to bullpup!

    • mikhail

      Yeah I kept holding it there and kept ejecting the magazine. Guess I was lucky. But installed a magpul front angled grip and hold that now instead.

  • Clark

    Can someone proofread these articles before publishing? I’ve an avid reader of the site, but the elementary school-level mistakes are getting old.

  • Kivaari

    I know only one man (SOT) owning a Kriss SMG. I have not shot it personally, but know two that have. Both men say the Kriss is useless as a SMG. Contrary to the popular press, the fancy “bolt assembly redirecting the recoil forces”, just doesn’t show up in live fire. While handling the SMG, I view it as “club-like”.

  • J-

    Hooray! A purely cosmetic modification on a needlessly complicated, jam prone, design.

  • Beryllium

    At the Vectors price point I wish they’d tell you more about the barrel. Hammer forged, twist rate, etc.

    All I can find is:

    CONSTRUCTION:
    Meets/exceeds TOPS/MILSTD 810F
    Advanced metal components: A2 and 4340/4140 chrome-moly steel alloys heat hardened/manganese phosphate treated with aerospace 7075/6061 hard-anodized aluminum alloys
    Aerospace polymer components: Lightweight injectionmolded housings of 15% fiber-reinforced Ultramid ™ Nylon 6/6 composite alloy treated for toughness and the environment protection

    And that the barrel can’t be replaced.