Simple Carry Solution Using Clipdraw

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I have been actively using a Clipdraw for years on my Glock 17 (and my wife has one on her Glock 19). I can’t really think of a simpler way to carry a pistol on your waist that will hold it in place (queue the comments about duct tape).

The only place I think it falls down is when exercising. Attaching a gun (holster or Clipdraw) to ranger panties is a recipe for an indecent exposure charge. For any other situation, I think it works. You don’t have to worry about threading it on a belt (it can go over or under). If you need to relocate it, you just move it.

One of the things that is new since I bought mine is they now have an adhesive based attachment for the clip. The one I have (and they still make) has a replacement butt plate on the slide that the clip can screw into.

This year they have models for the new Glock, and are soon to be coming out with one for the XD-S (which I will definitely be buying). The other new variant is for 1911s. They can now accommodate an ambidextrous safety (due to a little cut out on the mounting plate).

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1911 mounting with cutout for ambi safety

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Glock 42 Clipdraw

 

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Tom is a former Navy Corpsman that spent some time bumbling around the deserts of Iraq with a Marine Recon unit, kicking in tent flaps and harassing sheep. Prior to that he was a paramedic somewhere in DFW, also doing some Executive Protection work between shifts. Now that those exciting days are behind him, he has embraced his inner “Warrior Hippie” and assaults 14er in his sandals and beard, or engages in rucking adventure challenges while consuming craft beer. To fund these adventures, he writes medical software and builds websites and mobile apps. His latest venture is as one of the founders of IronSights.com; a search engine for all things gun related. He hopes that his posts will help you find solid gear that will survive whatever you can throw at it–he is known (in certain circles) for his curse…ahem, ability…to find the breaking point of anything.


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  • bigDrew2003

    No trigger guard huh?

    • JumpIf NotZero

      This. And it’s beyond unacceptable to carry like this, safety or not. Not only should everyone know better, there are just so many better options!

  • USMC03Vet

    Quit trolling, Doc. That is an awful way to carry.

    • Doc Rader

      I disagree. I have been using a Clipdraw for years without any problems.

  • Tassiebush

    Interesting to see such an ancient concept being used on new firearms.

  • ContrarianView

    A mechanical device for Mexican carry is still unsafe. If that trigger isn’t protected, you could end up like Burress. I’m surprised that TFB would endorse this product.

    • Doc Rader

      So the most detailed article I found on Burress is here: http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=3736356&src=desktop

      I found a couple of other articles along the same lines. None of them actually identify what the root cause was so we can’t say for sure that it was because he didn’t have a trigger cover. Was it in his pocket with keys (or something else that could actuate the trigger)? Was he carrying IWB?

      Using Burress as the example as a negative against Clipdraw is just not valid in my book.

      • ContrarianView

        Well, if he had been using a proper holster, it wouldn’t have happened. Unsafe carrying is like riding a motorcycle in a squidly fashion. Just because you haven’t crashed yet doesn’t make it safe. There are intelligent, calculated risks we can take in life, and there are stupid ones. Carrying “in the raw” is one of the stupid ones.

        • Doc Rader

          If he hadn’t been carrying it illegally while adding alcohol into the mix it probably wouldn’t have happened either.

          Tex Grebner had a proper holster. And had an ND.

          • Amsdorf

            His “proper holster” was a Serpa, which make it quite conveniently easy to trip the trigger on a draw stroke.

          • Miles

            An aggressive draw from a Serpa holster makes it quite easy to pull the trigger.
            After a few ‘unintended’ discharges, an organization I’m familiar with dumped them and went with the Safariland thumb release system.

    • We covered the product that doesn’t mean we endorse them. It’s for you to decide if it’s good or not.

  • Korvis

    It works sort-of OK *if you couple it with a MIC or a similar trigger concealer*. However, even with that, the gun still has a tendency to move around too much for my tastes.

    But without the trigger concealer…just…no.

    I agree with ContrarianView…TFB really shouldn’t be reviewing a clipdraw or anything like it without also discussing the trigger-concealment piece *in the same article*. Gun n00bs read this blog and could come away thinking that they’re good to go with just a clipdraw, when they abso-damn-lutley are not.

    I rank this with the fluff pieces we saw in gun mags for the R51, which led more than a few folks to think they could use that POS in defense of their lives. Y’all need to retract or update this article pronto.

    • Doc Rader

      I’ve never had mine move around–the clip is pretty tight. I would agree with needing a trigger cover for pocket carry, especially if you have other crap in your pocket, but I’m just not in agreement that this is a terrible way to carry.

      I am cognizant of the fact that just because I’ve never had a problem doesn’t mean no one has. But I’m also not finding any instances of actual recorded problems of people using the Clipdraw and having NDs.

  • Car54

    Been carrying a pistol/revolver IWB for almost 40 years with no trigger cover and no problems.. I currently have belt clips on 3 of my pistols and they work fine for the last 3-4 years. Any pocket pistol I have gets a clip draw first.

    • Risky

      Wearing a seat belt is also a waste of time until you have an accident.

  • Ken

    Cool, now you can carry a modern handgun like an 18th century flintlock pistol with a belt hook.

  • Ethan

    Cue hand-wringing from people who don’t Mexican carry… or own this product.

  • J.T.

    Nothing covering the trigger = no-go.

  • Eggbert

    This has to be a joke post. The two guns pictured with clipdraws are (1) the worst looking 1911 I’ve ever seen, looks like someone tried to make the frame from a block of metal with a hand file, and (2) a blue gun. Also, what about the recent “PSA: Use a Holster” article? That seemed to suggest that TFB’s “official” position was “use a holster,” not “stuff it in your waistband durr hurr.”

    • Doc Rader

      Nope. Not a joke post. I wasn’t aware that we had an “official” position on the matter. Katie was saying not to dump it in your purse (if you carry a purse), and she advocates the use of a holster.

      Above, in my post I said “I can’t really think of a simpler way to carry a pistol on your waist that will hold it in place”. I never advocated putting it in your pocket loose with pens, keys or other pocket shrapnel.

      As to the 1911 in the pic–that is what they had on the table. The pic was just to illustrate what it looked like on the gun.

      • HSR47

        Using a clipdraw is the equivalent of just “dropping it in your purse.”

        There are plenty of budget-minded minimalist holsters on the market that are FAR better options than this: Dale Fricke has the zacchaeus, and Raven has their Vanguard line. Either of these is FAR superior to a clipdraw.

        Clipdraw is not suitable for condition 1/0 carry, which is the RIGHT way to carry a 1911/Glock respectively. The only way to carry one of these guns safely with a clipdraw is to carry condition 3.

        As far as I’m concerned, if there’s nothing in the chamber, it might as well be unloaded, which means it’s a brick and not a firearm. I carry a firearm, and not a brick, so the clipdraw is not for me.

  • Jared

    Wow. I’ve never seen an article bring out the Fuds like this.

    • Kinda leaves me wondering what the big deal is. You either like it or don’t.

      • Thomas Williams

        The big deal is that negligent discharges in the local Wendy’s make us all look bad, so some of us would rather an organization like yours, which influences the poorly educated and trained among us, not endorse an unsafe method of carry. And splitting hairs about whether you’re endorsing it or not is besides the point.

    • Thomas Williams

      So…people who advocate using a holster rather than shoving a loaded gun in your pants are “Fudds”, now? Interesting definition.

  • dan citizen

    I’ve used a one of these clips, it was pretty effective. I wouldn’t used it on a cocked-and-locked 1911… but on a small revolver it worked fine, it was also very functional on a small auto, we did have to carry empty chamber due to policies.

    They are also handy where equip time is very short, meaning while working we would get a call to leave ASAP and I had to issue a revolver to a normally unarmed supervisor, no holster fitting, no figuring out what’s going to work, just hand him the revolver and a couple speed loaders and we were on our way.

    Is it ideal? maybe not for everyone.

    Does it cover the trigger? No, but with proper training and weapon choice, this was not an issue.

    Not everyone has the option to trot down to a gun store and buy a holster, or order one.

    • Thomas Williams

      …who doesn’t have the option to buy a holster, but can buy a clip draw for some reason, and why? I’d love to hear a realistic explanation of how that works.

      • dan citizen

        Mexico, 1980s during the cocaine wars, we were not allowed to just go out into a dirt street village and start asking around for who sold holsters, sure we could have had one made by a local leatherworker, but that kind of blows discretion our of the water.

        Eastern Europe, 1990s, military style belt holsters were extremely common, but concealment holsters? Not really, and a acquiring one would guarantee a lot of attention.

        Africa, pick a decade… again, belt holsters common, concealment holsters, not so much.

        I was on a couple of occasions either issued a weapon with a clipdraw type device (often probably not this exact manufacturer) or we had a couple of handguns in our supplies that had some such mount.

        In the USA in more recent times… I have found that handing someone a small revolver and a holster often leads to a lot of them figuring out how to wear it, as well as the inevitable drawing gun and holster simultaneously. The clipdraw type device fills a valuable niche.

        • Thomas Williams

          Fair enough, if I find myself winging it in Mexico 30 years ago, Eastern Europe 20 years ago, or Africa, I’ll consider it. I’ve worked in all of those places, armed or otherwise…I typically bring the equipment I need with me. I suggest you consider that next time.

          As for the last item, if someone is so poorly trained that they cannot get the gun out of the holster, or figure out how to wear it, they should not be carrying a firearm in the first place. What purpose does handing a firearm to someone who has no clue how to use it serve? They have no business handling a firearm if they are as completely inept as you describe them, and you have no business providing them with one. What do you do, and where, so I can be sure I stay far, far away from there?

          • dan citizen

            “if someone is so poorly trained that they cannot get the gun out of the holster, or figure out how to wear it, they should not be carrying a firearm in the first place”

            Many of these guys were cops, and yes, I agree many should not have had a firearm. When my supervisor says “Please issue a backup gun to DIpshit McClumsy” I did so.

            As to what I do? I am old, fat, and retired. If I had the wisdom you or I have now when I was young and stupid??? …well, I would have probably still been a idiot.

          • Thomas Williams

            So, to sum up, the clipdraw serves a vital niche in quickly arming people who have no business carrying a firearm due to incompetence and lack of training? Fair enough. That pretty much speaks for itself.

            In 100% seriousness, your last paragraph doesn’t even seem to mean anything, I think you’re trying to call me a young idiot, but it’s really not clear. Either way, cool, next time I decide to give a loaded firearm to someone who doesn’t have the slightest idea to use it, I’ll strongly consider your advice and use a clipdraw.

          • dan citizen

            I was referring to my younger self as an idiot.

            You seem quite level headed and everything you have written follows common sense.

          • Thomas Williams

            Fair enough, I was honestly unsure.

          • dan citizen

            my wording was cludgy and unclear

  • Amsdorf

    I don’t think it is a wise idea to try to carry a 1911, cocked and locked, with only a clip, or, for that matter, a Glock, ready to fire, with only a clip. Seems to me to be an asking begging to happen.

    • dan citizen

      In many areas an empty chamber is policy.

      • HSR47

        And an empty chamber means that the gun for all practical purposes is unloaded. Furthermore, an unloaded gun might as well be a brick.

        I carry a firearm, and not a brick; Condition 3 is not for me.

        • dan citizen

          I agree completely.

  • Don Ward

    Amateurs. Carry your pistol on a lanyard like a real man!

    • Sulaco

      Or use the WWII style string holster for free…same same.

  • DIR911911 .

    is that a home made frame on that 1911? looks like it was filed from some old scrap metal like the do in the Philippines , someone take a dremel to that thing STAT!

  • Just… no. It’s not a good idea to carry a 1911 (or a GLOCK) IWB, with an open trigger and a stuck-on clip. Period.

    I daresay that the chances of the average person running into a problem carrying with an unguarded trigger are likely far greater than their chances of actually needing the firearm in a self-defense situation. Cover the trigger, or leave it at home.

    If you’ve been carrying the pistol for years, you’ve had plenty of time to obtain a proper holster.

    Do yourself (and your wife) a favor, and purchase something like the Raven Vanguard II. There are holsters out there that provide inexpensive, quick ways to don/doff the pistol IWB without any open trigger nonsense, and permit loading/unloading while the trigger is covered to boot. The clipdraw offers no advantage in the current holster market.

    There is no good reason to carry with a clipdraw, especially in this day and age. Don’t do it.

  • Tassiebush

    I see a fair bit of discussion about the exposed trigger and risk of accidental discharge with this device. One remedy would be to not have a round chambered. Surely even with a holster that covers the trigger, if it’s got one up the spout the risk of accidental discharge is always present to some extent and exacerbated according to other factors like worn gun parts, tired owners and occasionally manufacturing faults.

    • Doc Rader

      I think this is one of those really polarizing subjects. There are those that don’t believe in “Israeli Carry”, nor in carrying any method that may have an exposed trigger. There are those that are okay with something like the Clipdraw, or carrying with an empty chamber.

      At the end of the day, it’s a personal choice based on comfort, experience and risk acceptance. I’d agree that putting a gun with an exposed trigger in a pocket with other items in the pocket is not wise. Clipping that same pistol inside my waistband, IMO is not an issue. That is not the only method I use to carry, but sometimes it is the most convenient. I never heard or read of a case of an ND directly related to the use of the Clipdraw–doesn’t mean it hasn’t happen and can never happen. Other carry methods have had issues related to their use but I’m also not going to break out the pitchforks and torches about them.

      If it works for you great; if it doesn’t, don’t carry that way.

      • Tassiebush

        At the end of the day I guess there are a number of well thought out systems for carrying which have benefits and disadvantages. Knowing a commonly accepted system well is probably more important than picking the “right” one.
        I’d be curious to see if the Israeli carry method originated from or was inspired by Fairbairn and Sykes. Fairbairn and Sykes (of ww2 commando training and interwar Shanghai municipal police fame) went with the empty chamber and disabled safety approach. Their rationale being that a gross motor skill of racking the slide is more reliable under stress and a safety catch potentially confuses matters for someone in a high stress situation.

        • Doc Rader

          Training and practice is what it is all about. Learn your system, and practice it until it is automatic.

      • HSR47

        The Israeli practice of carrying all pistols condition 3 is a relic of a time when they were issuing a wide selection of surplus pistols and could not afford to standardize on a modern design.

        Carrying all pistols condition 3 (unloaded chamber, all safeties disengaged) drastically simplified the problem of training: It was a single standard that worked with every single pistol they had in inventory.

        In other words, condition 3 carry made sense for Israel at the time and given the circumstances. That ship has sailed, and the continuance of the practice is nothing more than unjustifiable institutional dogma.

      • Stew

        Techna clip for lc9 is perfect.

  • Phil Elliott

    Been using Kel-Tecs version of this for the last few years with no problems, and is my favorite way to carry. By the way theirs fastens with a screw that replaces a pin.

  • john

    It looks like a quick solution, however, anything pointing at my nads most of the time requires a trigger guard. JMHO

  • Pete

    I got clipdraws years ago and loved them. Then over time, TWICE, my gun with a clipdraw worked its way up (just from normal sitting, standing, and walking) and fell down my pants leg, once onto the floor in a doctor’s office and once onto the sidewalk in downtown Washington D.C.. In D.C. it was a J frame S&W and in the doctor’s office it was a Kimber 3-inch. I finally removed all my clipdraws and threw them in the trash.

    • Doc Rader

      This would actually be a problem. I’ve never had them walk up like that.

      Though in an earlier day, I did once have a pistol slide out (not tumble wildly) from an IWB holster onto the floor of a “stall” I was occupying after dropping trou’. Fortunately I was alone, and did not attempt to do the fumble-catch-bang.

  • Thomas Williams

    What you are advocating here is blatantly, unacceptably unsafe. Carrying any type of weapon with the trigger guard fully exposed is simply irresponsible, and that this blog would advocate it is seriously disappointing. Please, reconsider this post; some people may not know enough to avoid being influenced by your ignorance, and that puts them in danger too.

    • Doc Rader

      As I’ve said numerous other times, I’ve never had an issue with it in years of carrying with it, though it is not the only way I carry. A number of comments are wringing hands about a fully exposed trigger guard. So let’s actually take a moment to address that. If it were “fully” exposed that would mean that there was no barrier to prevent an external object from entering the space forward of the trigger, and potentially depressing the trigger. Given an IWB carry using the Clipdraw, the outboard side is in contact with the cloth of my pants, the inboard side with my body. I took 3 pictures showing the Clipdraw attached to my pants, sans me in them. The first is the inside view, 2nd is the cloth folded over the pants (showing the outside), 3rd is the amount of material I had to jam inside the trigger guard of unweighted pants without upper support (i.e. cinched belt) to be able to access the trigger (note that I would still need roughly an extra half inch of give to be able to depress the trigger). I did try depressing the trigger (of the empty gun) both sitting and standing and couldn’t do it without some serious contortions and manipulations.

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      I fail to see how that is any more dangerous than any soft sided holster/sleeve. No, it’s not as secure as a hard-sided level 3 retention holster, but for me, the trade off is worth it to accomplish my goal when carrying via that method. In Iraq, a number of us carried our pistols in a rifle mag pouch on our plate carriers. None of us had a problem there either. No one had NDs with Serpas either.

      You claim I am ignorant. Ignorant of what, exactly? Of data discussing the incidence of negligent discharges directly related to the use of the Clipdraw? I’d love to see some. If there were some I’d imagine there would be lawsuits and the like, and the product would be off the market. I discuss that I have been using it, and it is the simplest way I can think of to carry at the waist that holds it in place. Both facts. Gun owners and shooters have been indoctrinated with the dogma of the training that resonated the most with them (including me). As such we tend to reject things that don’t fit that view.

      It is ultimately the owner’s responsibility to understand their weapon, and to understand the method they choose to carry that weapon. Carrying a live weapon is major responsibility. I would argue that blindly choosing a carry method without first understanding it’s pros and cons, it’s limitations and risks (every single method of carry has them) is irresponsible. Not practicing with that carry method (with a cold weapon, of course) until you are completely fluent with it is irresponsible. That should be said of any carry method we post about on this blog.

      FWIW, Clipdraw does actually offer a kydex trigger guard cover: http://clipdraw.com/glock-minimalist-holster/

      This post is a quick highlight of a vendor at SHOT, not an in-depth review of the product, nor any sponsored endorsement. I’ve used it. It works for me.

      • Thomas Williams

        Dismissing the real and significant dangers with carrying a Condition 1 weapon jammed in your waistband, “clip” or otherwise, as “hand-wringing”, then attempting to argue that your pants themselves (soft fabric) block access to the trigger? And then creating a straw man about “soft-sided” holsters? So, your clipdraw is no more unsafe, you are saying, than the Uncle Mike’s $5 nylon holster someone who doesn’t know any better might carry in? That’s not much of a claim.

        The company themselves provide a legal disclaimer with the product that says it should NEVER be used to carry a live weapon, and you’re (apparently) advocating exactly that. You don’t see a problem with that? If you’re advocating carrying without a round in the chamber, that’s another conversation.

        But let’s move away from the arguments AGAINST this lovely product…let’s hear argument FOR it. The only argument I can think of is “I’m too lazy to put on a proper holster”. What are yours? Specifically, I mean, not generic and meaningless claims like “simplicity”. Specifically, what advantage does this method of carry offer? And what circumstances exist where you can’t use a quality holster, not an Uncle Mike’s soft nylon POS, the straw man you tried to create? If the best argument you can make is that the product you’re advocating is NO WORSE than a $5 nylon clip holster, maybe you need to reevaluate.

        You’re advocating an unsafe and unnecessary method of carry, and now you’re backpedaling about how it is just a “quick highlight”. Irrelevant. You’re putting your name on an unsafe practice, and by extension, the reputation of the blog you publish on. Sponsored review or quick highlight, makes no difference.

        • Doc Rader

          I agree, when it starts getting heated the discussion is counter productive.

          Glock’s owner manual (page 15) even states that carrying in ready to fire position is not recommended for civilian use. I don’t have my original packaging for the ClipDraw so I will take your word for it–the only wording close was on a Chinese knockoff on Amazon.

          Regarding use in classes, I’d venture that most classes won’t allow the use of any minimalist holster (including the Vanguard), for issues of reholstering, among others.

          For soft sided holsters I was mentally thinking more of pocket carry or the fabric loops that are used inside carry bags (like the ITS Discreet Messenger Bag, or HPG Recon bag) with a hook and loop backing. I apologize for not being more clear with that.

          My reasoning is that it is one of the thinnest options and is convenient (which must fall into the “lazy” category). Of all my “holsters”, it rides the lowest in my waist band, and works very well with a t-shirt (which is what normally wear). Sometimes when I need to make quick trip to the convenience store, or to get gas, etc., I don’t want to don my concealed carry outfit (over shirt, jacket, etc), since I feel my belted holster tends to print a little more. Plus I normally wear my belted holster more to the side, which is a pain to access while seated in the car (contrasted to cross draw). Just how things I set things up, I suppose.

          I’d rather have something on me rather than become complacent and think “aw, it’s just a quick trip to the store, I can go without it *this* time”. For me it’s realism vs idealism. Ideally, yes I should always use a traditional holster. But sometimes I opt for the clip.

          • Thomas Williams

            At this point your position is that it’s less than ideal, but you’re willing to accept a potentially unsafe carry method in the name of convenience. I can’t really argue with that, if that’s how you roll then good luck to you. To put it another way, you’re talking about carrying a deadly weapon that launches bits of lead by means of explosions, and your prime concern is convenience. That’s not how I would do it, and honestly hope others don’t take your advice…especially as easy as it is to slip on a holster with a J-hook or similar attachment. We’re just on different planets, good luck with your clippy thing. I hope you’ll reconsider your priorities.

          • Peter (BE)

            Convenience is quite a big deal though. If not we should probably be carrying rifles instead of pistols. Or full size handguns instead of compacts.

          • HSR47

            I frequently carry a Glock 17, and it doesn’t inconvenience me in the slightest.

          • Peter (BE)

            That doesn’t say a lot. But if you found a way to carry a full size pistol in hot weather in a way that is comfortable, reasonably quick to bring into action and unobtrusive I would very much like to hear it. I find it quite difficult to achieve all three in those circumstances.

        • Peter (BE)

          Undercover officers like them. They can carry their guns in their waistbands, just as the criminals do, but with a modicum of safety. A holster just screams “police”. The guns are often non standard for the same reason. Sometimes carried condition 3. Fairbairn type training is quite efficient.

      • Spencer W

        Thank you for this comment! What is with everyone crying “the trigger is exposed! Blasphemy!”? Some sound like the creator of any product like this should be lynched. I have carried a 1911 for years and for a time all I could do was mexican cary. I have never had any problem. One thing I would ask all those who think an exposed trigger is unacceptable is how do you carry a rifle????

        • Thomas Williams

          You keep a rifle under positive control at all times, slung with a hand on the weapon to control it. That’s not the case with a pistol shoved in your waistband, false equivalency.

          The fact that you’ve done it is meaningless. I know people who’ve smoked Camel non-filterers and never worn a seatbelt for 50 years, doesn’t make either of those a good idea.

          • Spencer W

            Using a hand to control a slung weapon defeats the purpose of slinging it. How is a pistol in what is equivalent to a soft holster is not under control? “false equivalency” I think you missed my point. With a rifle the trigger is always exposed.

            A glock in a soft holster is safe because nothing can get to the trigger. How is an almost 3/8″ thick belt on one side and about 18″ of meat and large bone on the other any less safe?

            “The fact that you’ve done it is meaningless” Interesting to see empirical evidence means nothing to you.

          • Thomas Williams

            It absolutely does not, where are you getting that? Keeping the weapon under positive control when slung is basic weapons handling.

            I do not advocate carrying any firearm in a soft holster, not sure where you’re getting that. A weapon in a soft holster is fine for transport, but it should be in Condition 3 at most. A proper holster used for daily carry should be rigid, either Kydex (or similar) or stiff leather.

            Finally, you seem to be confused on the difference between “empirical evidence” and “unsubstantiated anecdotes”, I suggest you do some Googling until you understand the terms. 🙂

          • Spencer W

            One of the main reasons to sling a weapon to free your hands. And I think I know where my back is and that it’s not going anywhere so I’m pretty sure the weapon is under control.

            I did not say you advocated soft holsters. I made a statement of fact. That being, a glock in a soft holster is safe because nothing can get to the trigger. Now putting the glock safely in a soft holster can be a might tricky.

            Empirical evidence (also empirical data, sense experience, empirical knowledge, or the a posteriori) is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.

            unsubstantiated-having no basis in reason or fact

            anecdotes-a short story about an interesting or funny event or occurrence.

            If you wish to say my account of my experiences are untrue and my reasoning has no basis in fact what does that mean for your opinion? I have been using reason and pointing out similarities in other safety applications and yet all you can do is spout opinion with no reason behind it. And the snide remarks are just childish.

          • Thomas Williams

            I posted a response to this, appears to have been rejected.

            Look, brother, if you’re married to the idea of shoving a loaded gun in your pants because you can’t be bothered with a holster, far be it from me to convince you otherwise. Have fun.

        • HSR47

          “how do you carry a rifle????”

          How is that at all relevant? Do carry a loaded rifle on your person everywhere you go? I certainly don’t.

          • Spencer W

            It is relevant because a rifle has an exposed trigger with a manual safety, same as a 1911 for example.

  • ruinator

    So much for ‘to each their own’

  • Peter (BE)

    Useful for clandestine carry only imo. When you ditch the gun there is no telltale holster to connect you to it.

  • Spencer W

    As I said before, childish. And your link is dead.