New MP-44 Sturmgewehr Rifles Coming to the US!

EL BE Tac semiauto MP-44

MP-44: the father of the modern assault rifle

Yep, that’s right – we will finally again have access to museum-quality new semiauto MP-44 Sturmgewehr rifles from Germany! I spent some time yesterday speaking with Lars Brüggemann with EL BE Tac, who is the US distributor for these rifles, and the prospects are very exciting. A full line of reproduction semiauto German WWII rifles will be coming to the US, starting with the MP-44 and MP-38. The ATF has already approved the designs for these two, which is the biggest obstacle to bringing in guns like these.

There were no samples at the show, as importation is still pending permit approval (the guns have to come into the US in a sporting configuration to comply with import law), but the first guns should be here during the summer. Unlike the somewhat infamous PTR-44 debacle from several years ago, these new guns will use materials and heat treat fully up to modern spec.

EL BE Tac MP-38

MP38: The classic German WWII submachine gun

The MP-44 will be offered in 7.92×33 (8mm Kurz) only, and will accept original MP-44 magazines. The MP-38 is a closed-bolt conversion and will be sold as a pistol, with a stock fixed in the folded position (but repairable for folks who was to file SBR papers for them). Exact prices are not yet determined, but the MP-44 will likely be around the $5,000 mark. A lot of money to be sure, but an awesome opportunity to have the rifle that is truly the inspiration behind today’s entire combat rifle concept. Stay tuned for a first look at the guns when they arrive here in the States!

Ian McCollum

Ian McCollum lives in Arizona, where he spends his time searching out rare, unusual, and experimental firearms for his daily blog at His shooting background is in bullseye pistol, and before becoming a full-time gun writer he worked in the solar power industry.


  • Vhyrus

    You had me at sturmgewehr. You lost me at $5000.

    • Esh325

      They probably can’t make a quality reproduction for any cheaper than that.

      • Grindstone50k

        $5000 for stamped metal? No thanks.

      • Maxpwr

        Exactly, but apparently all gun blog readers know exactly how much a firearm made in Europe should cost. They also always know that it’s always chambered in the wrong caliber. Well..maybe if this cost $200 and was chambered in 9×23 I’d be interested..blah.blah.blah.

        • Vhyrus

          Yeah, I mean who are we, the paying customer, to have a say in what we buy or how much we pay? We should be grateful they make anything at all for us! How dare we ask for an affordable rifle!

          • Maxpwr

            Go ahead an ask but I find that people and companies try to make as much money as they can. You have a say in what you buy and your $1500 will buy 5 really nice Hi Point 9mm Carbines, but it won’t buy an MP38 or MP44 clone.

          • Grindstone50k

            Part of the “Make as much money as you can” thing is pricing it to attract buyers.

          • Dixie

            When they collect about an inch of dust from no sales watch how fast the price falls. Rest assured the $5000 price is what the dealers here are going to try and sell them for. The big number gets “leaked” out and the dealers will tell you they can get you one for less than that to make you think you’re getting a deal. Have patience and wait.

          • Amsdorf

            Welcome to Free Market Economy 101 and Macroeconomics 101.

          • dan citizen

            The hipoint is definitely a modern volkssturm weapon

          • uisconfruzed

            “really nice Hi Point 9mm Carbines” ???

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            I talked to a couple of companies about making a US receiver for the FAMAS. They told me to stamp a shape like that, even in production quantities, would run $1K each, just for the receiver. There was no cost effective way to do so, or they would. There are a lot of stampings on the MP40. Each one requires tooling. Of course, if there’s interest in a million of them, they can probably retail around $1000. If there’s only interest in a few thousand…

          • Nate

            I imagine this is the best they can do for this probably limited run. If you want an affordable stg, this same company makes the 22lr one that’s already here in the states for under $500. I heard they originally only brought it in 22lr because of the strict import laws. Back in the old days we could get import assault rifles but now, they even make AK’s in the US just to get them in the market.

          • Amsdorf

            Yes, you have a say, you don’t buy if you think it is priced too high. You inform the people making it why you didn’t buy it. If enough people are saying they would not buy it at $5,000 but would at $2,500, maybe they’ll drop the price, assuming they can make more.

            It’s all about supply and demand.

          • Geodkyt

            Exactly. I would buy one at $2500 to $3000. It is definitely cool enough at that price point.

            At $5000, I’m not remotely interested.

            Just like I think the FG42 reproductions built here in the States by one small company at about the same price aren’t worth it *to me* at around $5K, but would be if under $3K.

            And yes, I understand that, in limited run numbers, $5K is probably about right for an MSRP. While it was designed for efficient production, that really only holds true for actual mass production.

            From what I have seen for the last twelve years or so of paying attention to American interest in these designs, I suspect that at under $3K, they would likely sell all they could make. At $5K, it’s a limited interest item not worth mass production.

          • The Brigadier

            You’d be better off with a $500 AK. Its more reliable by many magnitudes of comparison. At $2,500 any roller pin action is grossly overpriced.

        • Nate

          That’s so true. Look at the only other option. The PTR44, It goes for over $6000 and apparently it had defects. I can’t imagine how much it will cost to make this and bring it to US for that matter. Thanks to our current administration that can’t be easy or cheap.

        • Vitsaus

          You’re totally right. The internet expects a Mercedes to cost the same as a KIA. People just don’t get that re-making things that have no original tooling isn’t like putting an Arckangel stock on their Mosin. Save some money, skip a few trips to the nudie bar, pass on those NBA tickets for a year or so and you might have the money to afford something you want instead of spending your life scooping cosmoline out of your $100 dollar “historical antique.”

      • dan citizen

        They did in the 1940s

        • MichaelZWilliamson

          They had a military budget with no limits and made a LOT of them.

          • dan citizen

            the sturgewehr was specifically designed to be made cheaply. Once tooled up, the actual production is not pricey.

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            Do you know how many were made? That will give us a comparison point.

          • dan citizen


            I have worked in manufacturing, specifically in firearms manufacturing. What a smart company does when they have tooled up to produce a highly sought after item, is to produce it.

            Since they already paid out for the tooling and dies, they could just continue to produce them at a $1,000 price point, rather than sticking it to a lesser market size at $5000

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            I know OOW said the FAMAS was infeasible in quantity. And given this is in an oddball caliber, with magazines hard to get, I’m not sure that price is feasible. I doubt it will be “highly sought after.” It’s something only collectors will want, not users.
            There’s a huge difference between producing a half million and producing 10,000, even if they do have the tooling.
            I agree I’m not interested at that price, but most people wouldn’t be interested even at $1000 if you tell them it takes effectively proprietary ammo and expensive magazines, and there are no rails or light mounts for it.

          • dan citizen

            Sadly, you are correct.

            I would buy one at $1000. But wouldn’t even remotely consider it at $5000

            On a side note, I’m probably too old to live to see the end of this rail-happy-nonsense. I like my guns smooth.

          • JKnTX

            If you have a FAMAS, then you have $s in the bank.

    • Tom W.

      I agree… You could always get the GSG .22 version for $500. Same heft, but not the same punch. And an eye-catcher on the range.

    • mac12sam12

      Me too.

    • HoodooTexas

      Only because you are probably like me and don’t have the chump change. I can see the price though, they are gouging a bit at that price BUT these guns are not cheap to make in a limited run. Those .45 ACP Lugers were going at around 10k a pop I believe. Class III mgs run far higher. You can get the .22 version a lot cheaper for fun shooting but these are going to be awesome in 8mm kurz. The semi auto M-38 pistol sounds exciting also.

      • HoodooTexas

        Not to mention, these guns will hold their value as they will not outproduce the demand.

        • JKnTX

          And whom exactly bought them? And who will these doofuses sell them to if they want their $s back?

    • LibertyToad

      Ditto. I’ve always wanted a MP-44 but the $5000 is too much. I’d pay maybe $2000 for one.

  • J.J

    They should make a 7.62×39 version if at all possible.

    • Xanderbach

      Wouldn’t .300blk be closer to the original specs?

      • Anon. E Maus

        It would probably also fit the magazine profile closer than 7.62x39mm, which would be vastly too big and curved.
        I also figure .30 carbine would be closer in terms of cartridge length and curve, if that’s something they’ll ever consider.

      • uisconfruzed

        It wouldn’t work without a complete redesign. The 8mm Kurtz has a COL of 33mm, 300BLK is 45mm.

        7.92×33 (8mm Kurz)

    • Adam aka eddie d.

      I assume there’s a good reason for why they went with the original caliber:
      the gun will be expensive enough that only collectors can afford it,
      and for them the procurement of a long dead caliber isn’t a really serious problem.
      If you can afford the gun and are willing to buy it, paying for the 7.92 Kurz isn’t a huge deal either.

      For the guys questioning the price: stamped steel, yes.
      But have you considered the price of the tooling for a long dead platform like this?
      Good luck finding and licensing the original machines and tooling.
      They’re probably all in a Russian military warehouse, long forgotten.
      You have to start from scratch on this, and that is always a ton of money,
      just like with a totally new product.

      • Grindstone50k

        Start from scratch? I thought the MP44 was already being made by SSD?

      • Just Sayin’

        Ammo availability doesn’t matter, those who can buy one will likely never take it shooting anyway. destined to be Safe Queens.

        • Nate

          Safe Queens. That’s a new one for me. Lol.

        • JKnTX

          Why buy one then when you can buy something that will make your money back in the long haul?

      • Kdf82

        A lot of the original tooling ended up in Poland where they’re making new parts and the East Germans exhausted their parts supply and turned out new mags etc. marked 1001 until the AK platform replaced it. But you’re so on the money with regards to tooling costs… 5K aint so bad…

        • JKnTX

          To whom?
          Exactly who is it that is lining up to buy this at $5000 a copy?
          REAL short line there!

      • Nate

        Very good points!

        Also I did not think about that about the kurtz caliber choice. That’s a great point of who this is targeting.

      • Major_Mike

        I know a “real” MP-44 / StG-44 owner (select fire Pre-86 transferable). He can afford a lot of things (like houses in 2 states and the Caribbean and a tank collection). He can’t find ammuniton and magazines.

        • Geodkyt

          Funny, I can find ammo and magazines (albeit not *original* mags, which most collectors who have a $20-$30K piece want) for them rather easily.

        • Mikes Guns

          I’m also a real Mp44 owner, and original mags can be found easily with a WTB ad, and new ammo is made and in stock often . He’s not trying very hard…..

    • James

      As Anon. E. Maus helpfully stated, it would require changing the look and design of the rifle very drastically, due to the taper of the x39 round. I think Privi Partizan makes new Kurz ammo.

      • Major_Mike

        PPU says they make it. It’s never in stock anywhere.

        • Geodkyt

          That’s because no one stocks it on the shelf due to limited demand. You have to order it.

          • toadboy

            I have a couple of originals, and I have never had trouble finding ammo at a decent price, and I also reload it. I usually keep 2K rounds on hand. For a while, it was easier to find than .22LR.

        • Mikes Guns

          Yes it is. Aim has it all the time. I own a real Mp44 bring back, and getting ammo for it is not a problem at all.

        • criterionbarrels

          We found some 7.92×33 tucked away in our ammunition supply point during OIF. Someone brought it over for me to inspect because they didn’t know what it was. It was kind of a bummer we couldn’t take it home. I wonder where that ammo can wound up?

    • Ken

      The mag well is too short for 7.62×39.

    • MountainKelly

      If you’ve got 5 grand for one you can Afford new prvi lol

    • El Duderino

      This is like asking that Ferrari make a car that runs on propane.

      • Matt Redman

        Know what? Some people would still buy it, too.

    • Dave Bradley

      I agree, 7.62×39 would be an ideal caliber. Someone will make one for under 2k, and they will make a mint!

      • Mikes Guns

        That will not happen

        • JKnTX

          Indeed. That is a silly idea, they’d just be building an AK.
          The MP-38 has the wrong charging handle too, it should be a curved
          hook. The one shown is for the 38/40 variant.
          If we are going for historical accuracy, then let’s be accurate.

  • Maxpwr

    Too bad they’ll have to install US 922r made parts on the MP-44 rifle once it gets imported to convert it back to normal high capacity status, but glad they are trying to bring them in. Especially the MP-38. Would be nice if they could find some way to bring that one in as a rifle and not just a pistol and convert back to high capacity and folding stock once it gets imported even if it needed a 16″ barrel. I’d rather have an MP-38 with a 16″ barrel i can fold stock on and fire as a “pistol” or unfold and fire as a rifle than just a 9″ barrel version I can only fire as a bulky pistol.

  • Amsdorf

    Intriguing…pricey…but, intriguing.

  • Dan

    Well look on the bright side, at least it’s not an article about a $5000 AR

    • Grindstone50k

      But it’s SUPER 1000% MORE RELIBAH and is used by TIER 0 OPERATEN OPERATAHS

      • LCON

        That’s Tier Zero G!

      • bernardg

        Maximum Tacticool dude!

  • echelon

    I think it’s stupid that we have to deal with “only in sporting configuration only”, “stock welded open unless you want to SBR it”, derp herp derp.

    It’s time to collectively put our feet (foots?) down and demand more in the way of firearms availability.

    • Maxpwr

      The previous Republican president could have overturned the import ban with a stroke of the pen but didn’t. Good luck with that. We’re stuck with 922r and import bans for a long time.

      • echelon

        No president will ever overturn anything firearm related unless the people stand up and remind him of who he really works for!

        The fact that we, the people, have allowed our government to have the power to throw us in a federal prison and take away our God given gun rights just for having something with a barrel length of a certain size or a stock is the most asinine and insane thing other than being forced to pay taxes at the barrel of a gun.

        We have the government we deserve, that’s for sure!

        • God-given gun rights? Those rights were bestowed upon us by a group of brave men in the 1770s.

          • Bert

            God given rights to self and collective defense. Those brave men secured them in the 1770s, codified them in the 1780s, but no man nor peice of paper ever bestowed a natural and inalienable right on anyone.

          • The right to self-defense is definitely a human right.

          • simon

            The right to self-defense is a biological right written in the code of every living things DNA

          • Sure, besides the lemming I suppose.

          • Grindstone50k

            Might want to study up on your biology. The whole “lemmings jumping from cliffs” thing is a myth.

          • I was being facetious and humorously pedantic.

          • noguncontrol

            all human rights come from God, and only God, the right to life first ,and by extension the right to self defense.

          • If you believe in such things.

          • JKnTX

            “Belief is the enemy of the Truth”.

          • The Brigadier

            Even the Greeks believed in the Unknown God who was higher than the Olympian Gods. Look it up. Plato was a con man anyway, or maybe a public relations man would be kinder. Or is that more insulting?

          • JKnTX

            Look it up yourself. You know as little about ancient history as you do about firearms. They used to sit about for hours arguing over how many spirits can dance on the head of a pin. You havn’t disproven any of Plato, you only make yourself look juvenile. Ball in your court.

          • Mystick

            Replace “God-given” with “Rights inherent to the human condition, recognized and, in part, enumerated by codification in the Constitution of the United States of America”…

          • Maxpwr

            The right to self defense is God given. Only men take it away.

          • Guest

            The right to self defense is definitely a human right.

          • Joel

            Codified, yes. Bestowed, NO! No rights were bestowed in the Bill of Rights, it protects our inherent rights.

          • I’ll buy that.

          • The Brigadier

            Exactly so. The founders debated natural rights and only a few dissented on a few minor points.

          • Grindstone50k

            Neither gods nor men “bestowed” any rights upon us. We are born with them as human beings. The Constitution merely recognizes them an (attempts) to keep a system of governance from undermining those rights.

          • Pretty badass document isn’t it?

          • echelon

            Alex, Alex, Alex…it’s not any “amendment” to a document I’m talking about. It’s the fundamental right to self defense. It doesn’t matter if it’s a rock or a stick or a fork or a gun or a B2 bomber.

            Men did not invent the freedom of speech nor any other right. The constitution is merely supposed to be affirming and confirming those things which shouldn’t have to be spelled out, but have to because men are evil and when given power become slaves to that power and in turn seek to control other men.

            So if you think your right to own a weapon -any weapon- is “bestowed” upon you by a group of men, and many think like you, then it’s just as I said, we have the government we deserve.

            FWIW, I just got a group of guys together and we all signed a paper saying everyone can have their machine guns and grenade launchers back. There, it’s been bestowed back to you. Don’t you feel free now?!?!?!?!?

      • JKnTX

        I hate to point out that it was a Republican President that instituted it!
        Bush I, remember? I do.

        • The Brigadier

          Yeah and Junior gave the banks the right to sell securities in 2003 also. Reagan said in 1986 when it was first proposed, “That is a bad idea and if such a law passes my desk I will not sign it.” I must point out that American banks have now sold 4.8 QUADRILLION dollars worth of derivatives around the world and they have no way other than their mortgage fraud to even pay the interest on that massive debt. You all better pick some reliable rifle and backup handguns and get lots of ammof for them. A financial crash is still a very real possibility and there will be a lot of cannibals roaming the cities and countrysides when food production breaks down. It will make the Zombie Apocolyspe look like sporting event.

          • JKnTX

            So why would you want to spend $5000 on a rifle that fires an obsolete cartridge and uses a magazine that you can’t get easily anymore?
            Oh, by the way, it was Ronnie Raygun that signed the current “ban” on new civilian machine guns in 1986, did you know that?

      • Dixie Shooter

        As bad as it has got with the democrats trying to take away our guns and rights, I’m anxious to see what the Republican candidate’s platform is going to include this time around. I live in north Alabama and several gun manufacturers are relocating their factories here. Remington is already here and I saw on the news a while back where Colt, Stag Arms, and a few more were talking about moving down here. Beretta is leaving Maryland and moving to Tennessee. It wouldn’t hurt my feelings if all gun makers moved down here to the gun friendly states.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      The president cannot eliminate the NFA restriction on SBRs. That takes Congress.

      • echelon

        The sentiment was not merely limited to the president only. More like “administration”. If a president were to take vocal action or make it a priority then they could naturally help ensure that Congress took action.

        But then again, the way our presidents are now, it wouldn’t surprise me if one could just rule by “executive action” and just get rid of it…

  • Ian Thorne

    5K for a gun that is designed to be cheap and easy to make, plus ammo at near a buck a round? Pass. Get a 9mm version out for $1500 and I might care.

    • It is cheap and easy to make when you’re making them by the thousand.

      • Ian Thorne

        They would sell them by the thousand if they could make them cheap. Seems like a win-win.

        • This is one of those guns that I believe caters exclusively to a very small subset of enthusiasts. For those who just want a clone that shoots, there is a very cheap .22 clone on the market. I don’t know that many people would pay the extra $4500 for the proper caliber.

          • Ian Thorne

            I know, that’s exactly what I said. People would probably pay an extra 1K for the proper caliber(and the real operating mechanism), but not 4.5K.

            People are out there paying 3K for an MP5 clone when there is a great 22lr clone for 300 bucks. I am pretty sure this would sell very well at a ~1.5K price point. Or even sub 1K like the design actually warrants.

          • petru sova

            The .22 version was and is a real turd like most new made guns these days. Junk zinc receiver and the stocks wiggled back and forth from the super fine workmanship ( I am being facetious)

        • Mikes Guns

          No they wouldn’t. 99% of gun owners are all talk and no pay when a product is delivered.

          • jaeger0416

            ^ This.

            I am not an 07SOT/C3FFL, but I play one on TV. (Heh, good friends with one.)

    • jaeger0416

      The history is not strong with this one.

      This is like asking for a perfect reproduction Chevelle SS powered by a Honda 4cyl, built to exacting standards and sold at a price of $15k.

      The level of derp in this thread….IS TOO DAMN HIGH!

  • tom

    Of all the times to have no money and live in California, sometimes life just isn’t fair.

  • Cal S.

    I was so excited… Then I cried.

    I know they may be low-production rates and tooling costs to consider, but that’s almost as much as an entry-level .50 BMG.

  • But an STG 44 that fired 7.62 x 39, which takes AK mags may not be authentic, but would actually you know, sell

    • Rorshac

      but… then it would be basically an AK so…

    • Mikes Guns

      It wouldn’t sell

    • Jake Gaston

      Just buy a ptr-32 and put some wood on it

  • billson

    What happened to the PTR-44?

    • They didnt run.

      • Jose

        Hello, Mr. Alex C.
        I just went to that website that you mention on this article; and I noted something. I believe that these weapons are made by Sport-Systeme Dittrich; this company is very famous in Germany, for recreating those historical German WWII weapons. Did this company was bought out by EL BE Tac; or this a subdivision of Sport-Systeme Dittrich? They’ll also bring the FG-42 & G-43?

        • I did not write this article my friend.

        • We a not a subdivision of SSD. We are the General US Distributor.
          Working close together with SSD.
          We changed the heat treatment, the material and the rest of the “Failure-Parts”
          And yes, the FG and G43 (both Versions) are on our “To-Do-List

  • David Lowrey

    The 5k price tag is a educated guess based on Ian’s experience with reproductions and the last time a semi auto stg 44 was sold( the 5k ptr 44). Nothing is set in stone, the price could be much lower and ammo is still made by privi partizan. They would import more if they was a renewed demand for it.

    • Nate

      Good point.

    • Thank you Sir, you took the word out of my mouth

      • David Lowrey

        Your very welcome. Can you give us a ETA on when the gun will be available in the us and the MSRP? Also any more info on the FG42 and G43 reproductions. I need to prepair my wallet a head of time 🙂

  • MountainKelly

    Excellent 😛

  • Drapetomanius

    “What really defeated the Wermacht? $5000 rifles. The whole Nazi war machine went bankrupt manufacturing these absurdly expensive stamped metal firearms.”

    History Channel “Expert”, probably.

    • Grindstone50k


    • Jake Gaston

      That’s why the stg-45 was to be made to replace it.

      • JKnTX

        No, it is because the were trying to cut production time. The Mauser design wasn’t intended as a replacement, but as a stop-gap. It could be cranked out fast and cheap, but it was not a better rifle.

        • Jake Gaston

          Kind of what I was getting at…

  • Easton Granger

    This is actually pretty neat. Now that Michigan can have SBRs I think I might look into the MP38.

  • simon

    5k holy crap i know it takes a lot to tool up but how about not trying to make it all back on the fist half a dozen guns.

    im gob smacked at the cost 5k for a stamped gun with a large global market.

  • Don Ward

    Good gravy, some of you guys are complainers. I’m glad someone is deciding to do this. Will it be the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth next gun I buy?


    But I hope some other folks will buy one and maybe I’ll have a chance to throw a few rounds down range with one. And I’d be happy to rent one at the range if that’s an option.

  • datimes

    Several years ago I read about a German company that was producing exact copies of WWII weapons. Later the site was blocked so could not longer read about their progress. I hope this is the manufacturer I read about years ago. The rifles were quite expensive and were built to exacting standard.

    • Grindstone50k

      That company is SSD, not the same as above. Same pricing, too.

      • datimes

        I just checked Gunbroker and an SSD stg44 rifle sold on 1/7/15. It was advertised as 1 of 200 imported.

  • Kdf82

    Stoked these are coming back.. I just got my SMG FG42.. It’s awesome! I’ll be taking my MP44 to battles and more history channel shoots..

    When you consider the tooling costs if these indeed are retooled and not modified PTRs, it’s expensive. My FG is all machined from billet as stamping dies would have placed it around 10K or more…

    So km’on Ian.. Los Los Los…

    • JKnTX

      Then you have a lot more $s than sense.
      Elk, elk, elk?

    • Matt Redman

      Where’d ya get the FG?

  • gunsandrockets

    Sweet. Now if I could only win the lottery! Damn.

    Who knows, maybe someday a reproduction like this one will be available at a price I could afford. And then there’s always the lottery.

    • JKnTX

      If I won, I’d be putting the $s into hardware a LONG way from replicas like this.
      BTW, a “reproduction” can only be done by the original maker of the item; like Colt with the new 1903 pistols, anything else is a replica.

  • iksnilol

    Eh, I thought the MP-40 was the classical WW2 German SMG? I am confused. Luckily I am not a history buff.

    • Ian McCollum

      The MP40 and MP38 are basically the same gun, just that the 40 was slightly simplified to speed up production.

      • iksnilol

        Ah, makes sense. I just haven’t heard of a MP-38. Everybody has the 40.

  • Nate

    I’m so ready for this MP40! I’ve been watning a pistol version for so long. I’ve been looking high and low, and now that there is one coming, I’ll pay high dollar. I heard from a friend at the shot show that it takes special mags and not original. That stinks. He said the alluminum prototype they had was low quality, but I’m hoping that’s just the prototype. At this point I’m so excited about getting my hands on one of these I’d probably buy it anyways. I can’t wait.

    • Ian McCollum

      The 9mm MP40 on display is a different product made by a different company – no relation to these guns (which will use standard original mags, BTW).

      • Nate

        Oh wow really!? Awesome. So you are saying this is not GSG/ATI? It’s another company?

        • Ian McCollum

          Nope, not ATI or GSG. Much better quality – worth the price that they will be charging.

          • Nate

            Awesome. I’m spreading the news. We went from no options on MP38/40 to now having two in the near future! So awesome.

  • fmike15

    I’ll be the first to get one, with the piles of mp-44 mags and ammo everyone has laying around I’m sure these will be big sellers. Especially at that cheap price.

    • the ammo addict

      I think the idea is that the new mags will be less expensive than the originals, which will really help out the owners of original NFA transferrable weapons. The ammo you are looking at is probably original collector stuff. Aim Surplus carries brand new PPU ammo for 75 cents per round – much better than $1.20 per round.

  • Mr Ghue

    7.92×33….I’ll run right out to wal-mart and start stocking up in anticipation.

    • the ammo addict

      With a few keystrokes you could order all you want from Aim Surplus and have it delivered to your door for about the same price as what Wal-Mart sells good quality .243, .270, .30-06, or .30-30 ammo for, but then you wouldn’t get to make a smart-guy comment like you did.

  • phillip

    Do it in 30’06 and I will buy one

  • Amsdorf

    Let’s see, I could perhaps hold out for an original/authentic STG 44 and pay around, what, $30,000 for it, plus the ATF tax stamp and approval process, etc. etc.

    Or….I could get what appears to be a picture-perfect replica, faithful to the original in every respect, including chambering for the 98 kurtz cartridge, using original magazines, for $5,000.

    If you have heart set on owning a “real” STG 44, this may well be the perfect option and that is an expensive option.

    I’m always amazed that people whine about price tags…what do you expect them to do, crank out some kind of airsoft model at $800??

    • JKnTX

      You get what you pay for and a replica is still a replica, not the original. The people who have the $s to front for this are not going to bother- they will invest where it makes money. I have seen it happen many times in my 50+ years dealing with firearms, sit back and watch it happen again.

  • Larry

    $5,000. No wonder Germany lost the war -they wen’t broke.

  • Mikes Guns


  • $5K will be the last rifle I’ll ever buy. But it would be the best. 🙂

  • uisconfruzed

    For just over $1.1K I assembled a billet AR with NiB upper & BCG, match grade hand lapped SS barrel, Syrac adj gas block, Geissele trigger and a Seekins hand-guard.
    That’s a piece of history, and it’s ugly stamped steel before you told the $5K asking price.

  • LazyReader

    Mel Gibson can add them to his collection

  • petru sova

    Charging 5,000 for a pile of cheap stamped sheet metal leads me to believe the manufacturer did not tool up for mass production. It will be a short run and then be gone. If the idiots who hatched this project would have simply made the barrel longer then the weapon could have had a functional folding stock even if it meant using a U.S. made receiver built on foreign parts. Also an alternate model chambered for the 7.62×39 would have sold well too if the cheesy stamped sheet metal receiver would have been able to withstand the more powerful 7.62×39 round. All in all the manufacturer missed a grand opportunity to provide a product in either caliber that would have had probably a long manufacturing life rather than a flash in the pan short run of an overpriced pile of stamped sheet metal.
    Lets face cold hard facts the weapon was designed to be made as fast as possible and as cheap as possible and still work. This it did which means even today an econo-grade design like this can still be produced to be affordable to the average working man and should sell for about the price of the average econo-grade AK-47 in semi-auto configuration.
    So in conclusion the dream of owning a historical WWII weapon still alludes us and is only a pipe dream to think about on these cold winter nights while we dream of spring when we once again can play Arm Chair Commando or Walter Mitty re-incarnated, once again to boldly thrown ones shoulders back, toss away the last cigarette in front of the firing squad, only to be reawakened out of our heroic day dreams by the “Old Lady” screaming at us to get a move on and load the groceries in the rusted out pick up truck. We don’t have enough money for a new truck because we spent it on more important things like buying new guns. Priorities come first!

    • JKnTX

      Ahem, you had better learn to actually read and comprehend here. It is also painfully obvious you know nothing at all about firearms or history.
      The MP-43/StG-44 was a locked-breech, gas operated, selective fire rifle.
      The MP-38, MP-38/40, MP-40, was a series of blow-back, pistol caliber, full-auto, submachine guns. They are two totally different animals.
      You can’t fire a 7.62×39 out of a blowback action and have your face and head remain intact. Delayed roller lock like an HK? Yes.

      • petru sova

        I am well aware how these guns work but I admit my post was a little confusing as my chronology was not right when I hurriedly typed it. I should have made clear which gun I was speaking off. I was actually making comments on both weapons. The STG 44 could have been chambered for the more common 7.62 x39 and the MP40 of course is the 9mm which could have had a longer barrel which would have made it legal for a folding stock. I am aware the STG was not originally chambered for the 7.62×39 but it could be if they wanted to make it such with a redesign. Now is that clear enough?

  • sometrend

    5k is a might steep. gonna have to pass on this 1. It would be nice to have 1 but it just isn`t worth the price

  • jimmyjet

    Sure, I’ll take 2 or 3 at 5G’s each, then start hunting for the ammo. If they are going to clone the original, they should have dome some modifying and made it in 7.62×39

  • Karl Spencer

    I just picked up the Stg-44 in .22 for $299 from CDNN. That will have to do.

  • Dear Gentlemen, friends of historic firearms, reenactors, shooters…
    Right now we are not thinking about the Idea to bring in the Gun with a russian caliber at all.
    The Work wouldt be to much, and it affects the shape of the gun.
    We have to start from scatch and it will cost way too much then. Only to use a more reliable round? I think that will be stupid. I understand your thoughts, but it shouldt be a 101 % copy of the original, and not a Thing to use the cheapest Surplus Ammo.
    It is not the gun wich is so expensive, it is the shipping, the tax and the complete infrastructure what gives it the price.
    I apologise for all the people who want a cheap MP44, but you rather buy a .22lr version.
    That is not our philosophy. We are working hard to bring this gun to the US Market. And i know that several people will complain about this and that. But we sell it as it is. And if some of you guys think you can do it better, feel free to challenge us.
    I dont want to upset people here. But this is just for some of you guys here. I appreciate you guys who know how difficult it is to do this job. These guns are for exact you guys.
    I apologise my english. Hope everybody understand my concerns. If not feel free to contact me.

    • Ken

      I definitely agree. An StG44 in 7.62×39 would not be an StG44 at all. It would have to be completely redesigned for the slightly longer cartridge, not simply reverse engineered.

      If you want a StG44 looking gun that uses cheap ammo, there do exist mockups built on HK33 derivatives. Those will let you fire cheap .223.

    • jaeger0416

      Thank you for your responses and insights; unfortunately many firearms consumers are not on the industry side and likely have little understanding of just how difficult it is to bring a quality product to market, even in something as well-traveled and common as an AR-15, let alone something unique and challenging, such as the MP44.

      Viel Glück!

      • JKnTX

        If you can sell this over here and make a profit on it, then you well and truely have kunst. And and I don’t for a moment think you do..

    • Matt Redman

      So geil! Ich moechte STG44! Sofort! 🙂

      But seriously, you are going to make a lot of people happy with this awesome piece of history.

  • Richard Hewitt

    when they get down to a WORKING-MANS price let me know

  • JKnTX

    You need to step back and take a look at how many dudes (or dudettes) have the bread to front for that. I can promise you that the ones that do will go for the full house, papered collector type stuff, not for a replica- they are never going to get their $s back on this and will likely lose money. They they aren’t that stupid.
    The rest of us will buy ARs, SCARS, AKs, whatever we can get/afford. This one is dead in the water.
    If you want an investment, you’d be better off spending the $s on an HK-91 or a G series FAL.

  • bruce Cambell

    So if American Tactical imports (GSG) can produce and sell a .22 caliber STG44 clone for under $500. How can a company justify a $5000 price tag for a rifle that probably costs the same to make, shoots expensive hard to find ammo and requiring mags that are almost impossible to find? Will people buy them? yes, foolish people with too much money. If the company offered the rifle for $1000 and also produced mags for it, I might consider it. However I could buy allot of really nice toys for 5 grand.

  • jaeger0416

    If it’s over $500 and won’t run on TulAmmo, the manufacturer thinks you suck and hates you.


    • CrazyKg

      I know 🙁

    • CrazyKg

      You….I like you.

  • elmoreoocyte

    For 5000 bucks it’d have to do a whole lot more for me than just go bang when I pull the trigger.

  • MichaelZWilliamson

    You can pick originals up in Africa for a few chickens or a couple of goats. You just can’t bring them back…

    • JKnTX

      Polish AKs were around $65 each in crates of ten new in the cosmoline not to many years gone (the full house select fire stuff).
      You can “bring back” anything you like if you have the bucks and the balls to do that.

  • The Brigadier

    Roller pin actions like the sturmgewehr (storm rifle or as we call it assault rifle) has are prone to jamming and are inferior to modern actions. It came out in 1945 and were part of the Nazi’s last attempt to destroy the 45th and 47th Infantry Divisions that were taking out all the SS battalions they encountered with their Garands. The German special forces equipped with the few produced had limited success and most were killed by our riflemen. As an historical piece its a neat rifle, but as much as I have derided the direct impingement action of the ARs in here, I would take an AR over a sturmgewehr into battle in a heartbeat. The Cetme made in Spain and I believe Argentina, uses the same roller pin action and they are only popular in Spain and Argentina where they are very cheap to produce and purchase. Five grand is ridiculous for this relic. It was a great first attempt, but time and superior technology have left this design in the dust for a long time now. Save your money folks unless you are a collector.

    One historical note here. Mikhail Kalashnikov was criticized for ripping off the design of the sturmgewehr for his AK. The top receiver of the sg certainly looks like the AK, but the action inside is completely different for the AK that uses a modern gas tube and piston to cycle the action.

    • JKnTX

      You need to go back to small ams school, as well as brushing up on your history a LOT more. MP-43/44/Stg.44 is a gas piston operated, camming breach block design- no roller locks anywhere.
      The roller lock delayed blowback is more “modern” than the gas piston . Swiss Army adopted and used 1957-1990.
      First issues of the MP-43 were paradropped to units trying to fight their way out of the Stalingrad morass, and they did, and the rifle’s reputation was made.
      CETME group in Spain developed the Mauser idea post-1945 until H&K in Germany got involved. At that point, it became one of the most reliable, produced, and adopted rifle and SMG designs in the world.
      Argentina never had anything to do with CETME, they bought from FN in Belgium. The FN-49 was adopted post WW-2 for the Navy in 7.65mm, later converted to 7.62mm NATO. In the late 50s, the Army adopted the FAL and it was built under license for many years.
      Would you like a nice warm, steamed towel to wipe the egg off your face now?

  • Mystick

    A little pricey for a de-mil’d replica.

  • Zebra Dun

    A $5000.00 wall hanger which requires a hand loader or ammo that cost $20.00 a bullet?
    I have always wondered what the ballistic equivalent to the 7.92 x 33 mm Kurz was or would be.
    Some what more powerful than say a .30 carbine round some what less than an AK’s 7.62 x 39 mm?
    Would the rifle be cheaper and easier to feed if chambered in either cartridge.

  • JKnTX

    Yes you do.
    And I repeat, just whom is going to buy it?
    Ball is in your court.

    • jaeger0416

      Tim Harmsen of the Military Arms Channel, for one. Beyond that, at least one K-Street attorney, a property manager, among others I can think of…maybe a few NFA collectors whose means have declined with age…and this is just in my own little life, here in MD of all places. Two days ago I watched a different guy buy three generally unremarkable Glocks (well, at least one was a Vickers 19) off the cuff. There is a world beyond twentysomethings with WASRs and Spike’s ARs…and THIS product is bespoke.

      If people will spend $5k on a G36 facsimilie that must borrow airsoft parts to be complete, a factory fresh StG44 shouldn’t be that much of a stretch.

      I think my initial comment was fairly diplomatic, and your attitude unwarranted. However, you don’t seem to want to let it go.

  • Eumel

    Sorry guys, but this is a classic gun, a pioneer for modern versions and 7,92×33 is the original caliber for this model. So if you wan’t this wonderful part of weapon technologie AND history, you have to buy it in the original caliber – all other is a shame! 🙂

  • TangoDown

    Hmmm, $5K, I’m ‘real’ excited…NOT. I WAS though for a second.

  • Von Apfel

    Those Krauts are going to nickle and dime us to death, and after we bailed them out after the Big One WWII.