Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • Why would he call it an MP5 clone and not a 53/33 clone? Also, this has been done many times already, lol.

    • While you and I know what a HK53 is, the general shooting public has more exposure to the MP5.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        You don’t get to call things by the wrong name just because someone else might.

        • FWIW: I didn’t care for it either. What really kills me is when folks who should know better say that the aftermarket HK51 conversions were built from MP5 receivers. Yeah, as if anyone would be crazy enough to weld a huge splice through the magazine well and ejection port area, and then add another section to the rear of the receiver to add a second stock pin. Sure, that _totally_ seems more cost effective than simply chopping the barrel and cocking tube of an existing HK91 or G3 so it can accept a MP5/HK53 forearm.

          • People say that? Also, there is no such thing as an hk51 😉

          • True, HK never cataloged one. That’s why I said “aftermarket.” Class 2 Manufacturers like Bill Fleming and F.J. Vollmer devised all sorts of fun variants during the 1980s: 51, 51K, 53K, equally compact 21 and 23 variants, and even integrally suppressed versions of the 51 and 53 styled along the lines of the factory MP5SD.

          • You are correct. I spoke to Bill a while back about his invention of the model 51 and at a show similar to the shot show, he got to demonstrate his wares before HK. The crowd went wild and was underwhelmed by HK’s own demonstration, LOL.
            Pic related: my *expletive* eating grin when I met Bill for the first time:

    • Riot

      I was also going to say its a 53/41 clone rather than mp5 clone.
      I think mp5 being more “tacticool” is the reason for saying mp5 clone, the caliber is also a bit of a giveaway in this the .300 blackout is very much in fad amongst people who think guns are cool.

  • echelon

    I didn’t watch the video, but is that thing stamped? I can’t for the life of me figure out why an HK clone is over $1k. It boggles my mind. If CZ can sell us a freakin’ Evo S1 pistol for $850 there’s no reason why one of these should be so much.

    And if the answer is that it’s that much harder to manufacture them then by all means make something that’s cheaper to produce…sheesh.

    • hami

      HK styled roller guns are hand made, that’s why they are a bit more expensive. A dude stamped, rolled, measured, pressed, measured again, welded, etc. until the weapon was done. He didn’t throw a block of aluminum in an expensive cabinet, push a button on a computer, and out comes an AR15.

      • They are not hand made by HK, only small manufacturers. HK was once making 2,000 g3 rifles per day!

        • hami

          I may have missed what it is you’re trying to say. The post I replied to asks why an HK clone is worth over 1K. I mean to say that I believe it is because a well made HK clone is mostly hand made and some people apply a higher value to that compared to your typical CNC’ed (or methods similar) modern weapons.

      • tazman66gt

        Considering HK brought out a plastic frame MP5 it shouldn’t be that hard to make them less expensive.

      • echelon

        Two words: Assembly Line.

        LOL, seriously, I can’t for the life of me still believe that they are that much more labor intensive than any other modern design to require such a steep price.

        If the market dictates then fine. People will pay what they think it’s worth. Me? I’ll wait it out and get something at a better price and if these things ever come back down to earth then maybe we’ll see…

  • iksnilol

    Wouldn’t it be a HK53/33 clone and not a MP5 clone? Seems like a decent gun in spite of the misinformation in the video (attaching a rail and chambering it in 300 BLK is modernizing it?).

    Too bad nobody makes a HK32 clone. I know PTR makes one but that one is heavier than necessary due to using a G3 receiver.

  • R&D? He put a barrel on a freaking 53 clone.

  • Probably the locking piece.

  • Too many things lacking to be a 41 clone.

  • Anonymoose

    What I would like to see is a semi-auto G41K clone in .300BLK. At 15″, they could pin & weld a Blackout FH on it to make it legal.

    • 300BLK shines in short barrels. You gain nothing by having extra gun hanging out in front of you so keeping it short is the way to fly.

      • Anonymoose

        Yeah, but then you’d HAVE to have it in a “pistol” config, or else SBR it or p&w a ridiculously long FH.

  • The 41 uses a proprietary trigger group housing, has a redesigned receiver, stock, forend, bolt catch, etc.

    Taking stanag mags a 41 does not make.

  • Steve Martinovich

    I’m beginning to think that .300 BLK is the gun industry’s version of the tribal tattoo/barbed wire tattoo.

    At any rate “MP5” clone is meh…and expensive for meh.

    • “I’m beginning to think that .300 BLK is the gun industry’s version of the tribal tattoo/barbed wire tattoo.”


  • echelon

    That may be so, and I don’t know all of the details of the new CZ offerings, but it seems that at least in that case the price points are fairly attractive. The lower they can keep the Bren the better obviously.

    But then you have B&T bringing their APC and MPC offerings over apparently and they are wildly overpriced…

    So if import restrictions are the case then they need to be removed. We can import all the cheap junk from China we want, oil from outbackistan and everything else under the sun, but we have to have a bunch of restrictions on guns, which, for all intents and purposes are basically the same thing that’s already being made here?

    Makes tons of sense…