Ares Armor Crayon Drawing Sent To BATFE Director

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Dimitrios Karras of Ares Armor is a little frustrated with the BATFE’s inconsistency regarding 80% lowers, and what constitutes their manufacture. To assist ATF director B. Todd Jones in understanding, Karras wrote a letter outlining some of the previous statements made by Jones regarding this issue:

On page 2 and 3 you state the following,

“…it generally requires substantial additional machining before it can accommodate fire control components such as a trigger, hammer, or sear…”

“…incapable of being assembled into a weapon…”

And my personal favorite quote on page 3,

“ATF Ruling 2010-10 assumes that a licensed dealer-gunsmiths would perform certain activities on articles ALREADY classified as frames or receivers (i.e., no machining or other processes required to allow it to be used to assemble a weapon)… *emphasis added

Here, you have very clearly stated that an item that requires “machining or other processes” before it is suitable for use in assembling a weapon would not ALREADY be classified as a frame or receiver. THANK YOU FOR THIS GIGANTIC ADMISSION!

  1. ) Indexing marks DO NOT make a random object into a “receiver”.

On page 3, you incorrectly and in pompous contempt of the Court make the following statement,

Although such an article may be classified as a “receiver” when it is indexed…

As you are fully aware, this is direct conflict with UNITED STATES v. PRINCE. The ATF has already lost this argument in Federal Court. I have mentioned this case in previous communication with you. It is fully on record that you are aware of this case and its implications.

If Karras’ language seems a little bit soured, that is because the ATF raided Ares Armor back in March, and took all of their EP80 polymer lower receivers:

Let me ask one simple question… If a “receiver” is a “weapon”, why are they defined separately and uniquely in the GCA as firearms?

A “receiver” by itself cannot be “readily converted to expel a projectile” as the receiver by itself lacks the necessary parts. I would love to hand you a receiver and ask you to readily convert it into a weapon. Perhaps you would do that hand waiving Jedi-Mind trick thing you did to Congress when you were asked about why you raided my business!

Attached to the letter was a pictorial explanation of Karras’ interpretation of what Director Jones had previously said about the manufacture of a firearms receiver, done in crayon:

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That is certainly an unconventional way to vent your frustrations! Hopefully this dispute is settled soon, and Ares Armor can get back to their business.

H/T To Daniel Watters, and The Firearms User Network



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • eriky

    very passive aggressive. love it

  • Ethan

    And thus it was that Dimitrios Karras became a folk hero to the people of Free America.

    • Paladin

      He’s been one for a while now, and it seems his star is only going higher.

  • Giolli Joker

    I see much more originality and great thinking in those crayon drawings than in most of the marketing of the firearm world.
    Genius.

    • mikewest007

      Sure, beats Bushmaster’s “Man card” campaign…

  • MountainKelly

    Hahaha excellent

  • Paladin

    Ares Armor, the plucky little shop that could. This kind of stuff makes me very glad to be a patron.

  • SpazC

    I wish I could draw as well as him!

  • avconsumer2

    Mad crayon skillz. Genius. Sad but true.

  • Cal S.

    And somehow infinitely more understandable than any of the letters the ATF has ever sent out…

  • mosinman

    he’s actually a good artist. hopefully he can get back in business.
    i know you all are tired of me saying “we need to be rid of the ATF/ BATFE because it’s unconstitutional” but here’s another example

    • supergun

      Another illegal raid on America.

  • T78

    I love the fact that Ares Armor is mocking the ATF by using crayons to further their great points. Just shows how much of a joke the ATF is when it comes to firearms.

    • Michel_T

      Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

      Saul Alinsky

    • CoCo

      You know the saying: “I’d explain it to you but I have neither the time nor crayons”?

      Apparently they had both.

  • Bill

    I’d prefer both sides in a firearms dispute to approach the matter with a little maturity, not crayons. He will get mad props from the anti-BATFE crowd, but the feds have an infinite supply of lawyers who had their sense of humor removed when hired. I hope all his supporters will take turns letting him sleep on their couches after he’s been bled dry. I remember hearing something about poking a bear not being a good idea….

    • BryanS

      Sometimes you need to use pop culture to explain things to the masses who are spoon-fed information via social media and TV. Because it is those uninformed voters that will be the deciding factor in our rights and how much the feds decide to infringe on them.

    • AD_Rtr_OS

      Not “when hired”, it’s removed in 2L.

  • Jim_Macklin

    I think his error is over-estimating the intelligence level of the ATF Director and staff. The work flow diagram seems quite clear to me, but I doubt that ATF can read, speak, write and understand the English language.
    As a certified flight instructor, the government has certified that I can read, speak and understand the English language and I am fluent in its use.
    Perhaps ATF Agents and Administrators should so be required.

  • Chipsa

    That’s what the ATF claims, but the truth is the other way around. They were made in two molding operations: first to create the fire control pocket filler, and then they molded the reciever around the filler. It needed to be done that way, so that the part is dimensionally correct. Otherwise, it shrinks badly and goes out of spec.

    Therefore, there’s no fire control pocket to make it not 80%, because it’s at all times is filled. The filler block has external ridges and such, to bond it to the reciever, so you can’t just slip it in and out. It’s locked into the reciever, and must be milled out.

    • lucusloc

      It was my understanding that the 2 resins were basically the same material, just a different color, and bonded to each other in the molding process, making it a single piece structurally.

  • santi

    Haha, Dimitrios is brave. The kind of brave we need. I am behind him 100 percent. This is only going to flare the ego of the stubborn government sector. The suits don’t like being taunted. Lets see how this pans out.

  • DonDrapersAcidTrip

    been a fan of ares products ever since I was in seattle in 2050 getting my plastic shadowrun eyes implanted

  • Haha. I used to draw those as a kid, albeit mine weren’t as detailed. Way to go Dimitrios. Glad someone is able to speak a language that the Government can understand.

  • Katie A

    Don’t feel bad, so did I, and I’m back looking at it again.

  • supergun

    We sure have some unintelligent people in America.

  • supergun

    That is good. Shouldn’t they focus on the terrorists instead of hard working Americans. Unbelievable.

  • parabellum

    I wonder whether Mikhail Kalashnikov had some Crayolas to go with his Sturmgewehr.

  • TheQuartermaster

    I grew up poor. My ma bought me a box of crayons for school with only 4 colors. In school the other kids brought their boxes of 16, 32, and even 64 crayon colors. I felt so degraded and humiliated by our poverty. Now that I have grown and become a wee bit more successful, my wife, the dear one, for Christrmas bought me a brand new fresh box of 64 crayons and it actually made me weep with joy.
    This little bit of crayon-ing has inspired me to do something equally outlandish with some coloring book imagination.
    Wait for it. Wait…

  • AD_Rtr_OS

    I don’t think he should use so many ‘flowery’ phrases and words as he tends to talk over the head of his intended audience.

  • AD_Rtr_OS

    The “Federal Bureau of Idiots”?

  • Tucson_Jim

    Some facts that need clarification:

    1) Do the parts Ares sells meet the ATF definition of a “firearm”, or a “part”… to be considered a “part”, it must have a minimum amount of work required to be done to make it functional? Injection molding changes the whole game on % completion.

    2) Do the parts with the “indexing” match the configuration of the parts considered in the court case?

    While I have as much contempt for the NFA, and the ATF as a lot of folks, sarcasm and illicit legalese don’t help anyone… and, I’ve re-read this, but, I get the impression we aren’t hearing the full story.

    At some point, a traceable serial number must be added by a licensed “manufacturer”, and the ATF has attempted to set that threshold. Here, someone is challenging the location of that threshold… this is how law works.

    The only parts that CANNOT be improvised successfully and require industrial type equipment to fabricate, are high-strength, mechanically stressed parts like barrels, bolts, bolt extensions, and stressed receivers like those on the Garand, M1A/M14, FAL, Model 70, Remmy 700, etc. How many of those barrels and bolts are out there floating around waiting for a housing fabricated from brake-formed sheet-metal or rectangular aluminum structural-tubing? Take a close look at the upper and lower receivers of an Ares FMG, Swiss Arms SG550, Armalite AR18, Ingram MAC10, Thompson M1921, etc.

    If you are going to actually try to justify infringement of the Second Amendment, those parts which cannot be improvised should be the serial-numbered parts… not silly housings for levers, pivots and springs… but, this is where we are today…

  • uisconfruzed

    THAT’s hilarious! I love smart assery when necessary.

  • Mystick

    Brilliant!

  • Norman

    It just goes to show that agency needs to be defunded and scrapped. They make arbitrary decisions based on politics and not real legal facts. Instead of going after actual criminals who smuggle and use arms in crimes (oops, they do that, too , don’t they?) they go after legitimate business men and hobbyists.

  • angrymike

    I love the guy, he was raided for no reason and is mad, I’d be mad to !! I’ve bought parts from them and must say they are of the highest quality and very fairly priced !!!!!!