‘American Sniper’ Being Put Down Before It Even Hits Theaters

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Some but not many of you are aware of my background in military journalism: I’m both a gun writer and a military journalist, and the two worlds not only intertwine but complement one another. An excellent example of the way my two writing sides mingle is being showcased on Christmas day: American Sniper is being shown in select theaters.

Chris Kyle’s story is one I believe absolutely should be told, and although I have my concerns regarding how accurately the movie will relay the events of his service as a SEAL, I wouldn’t miss it. Unfortunately it’s looking as though the naysayers are working overtime on this one, though, because the movie has yet to come out and the mud slinging has already begun.

Men’s Journal has chosen to get things going with an article titled “The Controversial True Story Behind American Sniper.” The body of the article goes through exactly what you’d expect from negative coverage related to Chris Kyle: it talks about Jesse Ventura, the carjacking story, and Hurricane Katrina. Their account of the Ventura lawsuit is inaccurate and lacking in details and the information as a whole is heavily slanted to paint Kyle in a poor light. And all this before the movie has even hit theaters.

The second anniversary of Chris Kyle’s death is fast approaching, making the timing of the movie simultaneously ideal and emotionally significant for those who knew him. On my bookshelf sit copies of American Sniper and American Gun as well as the memorial edition of American Sniper that came out after Kyle’s death, and in my closet hangs cloth evidence of my support of the late man who was known as the Devil of Ramadi. Because although Kyle himself is now beyond caring what others say, his wife and children see, hear, and bear witness to every single word. The good, the bad, and the unwarranted ugly; Chris’ widow Taya and their two children are subjected to every syllable, filter-free.

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We don’t yet know whether the movie will do right by Chris Kyle – and I will make sure and let you all know how it measures up to reality once I see it – but we do know one thing: Chris Kyle was an American hero. He served this nation at great risk to his own well-being, putting his life on the line for the very people who now insult him and question his story. The weight of his tragic death here in the States less than two years ago serves as a constant reminder that none of us can be sure what each day will bring and that we’d be wise to make each moment count. At the time of his death Chris Kyle was actively working to help veterans suffering from PTS, and it was one of those men who ended up taking his life as well as the life of his friend, Chad Littlefield, who had accompanied him to the range that day.

Chris Kyle lived to serve his country, and he died in the service of men who had, themselves, served – served, and suffered for it. And while he may not have been killed in combat, he was killed fighting a different type of battle, a more insidious one: the battle against PTS. That was Chris Kyle; that was the man, The Legend. May his memory live on.

To Men’s Journal and all other pre-emptive naysayers: I am deeply disappointed with your choice to paint a murdered combat veteran as a liar and a fraud.  The man was a combat-proven Navy SEAL, a phenomenally talented sniper and a hard-charging badass, and he is dead. Do his memory the honor of showing his widow and their children some respect. He is known as The Legend for a reason, and those who do respect his memory are many. I count myself among them. Do you?

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katie.ainsworth

Katie is an avid shooter, hunter, military journalist, and Southern girl. Firearms are her passion whether at the range or on a spot-and-stalk after a big buck. She’s a staff writer at The Firearm Blog and writes about guns, hunting, and the military for various publications both online and in print such as Outdoor Life, Handguns, and Shooting Illustrated. Shoot her a message at ainsworth.kat@usa.com


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  • CrankyFool

    So a few points;

    1. I’ll definitely see this movie, if it’s half as good as I hope it will be.

    2. He was definitely a hero, both in his actions in Iraq and in how he chose to spend his time afterwards, helping veterans with PTSD (I’m confused by your omission of the ‘D’ above — are you arguing it’s not a disorder?)

    That said … nobody’s perfect, and I don’t need my movies to portray important people in a one-dimensional “walks on water, leaves no footprints” way. I doubt Kyle was perfect, or would have claimed he was. And, in the case of his beef with Ventura, we have legal evidence, it seems, that he was lying — he did not, in fact, kick Jesse Ventura’s ass. He said he did, and it didn’t happen. His estate already lost that battle, and I’m OK with that being part of the record.

    • Darren Hruska

      I believe I remember once watching an interview with Christ Kyle where he argued that PTS isn’t a “disorder.” I could be confusing him with somebody else, though.

      • Darren Hruska

        *Chris (How could I mess that up? Hue!)

      • CrankyFool

        Fair enough. The technical term is PTSD, but gosh knows, it used to be that we also mischaracterized homosexuality as a mental problem. If people coming back from the war, and their advocates, want to call it PTS, that’s their right (though I’d worry a little that dropping the ‘D’ makes this less a diagnosable condition and therefore less easy to get mental health support for it).

        • valorius

          Please…..do we really need to open the gay can of worms on a gun site?

        • Grindstone50k

          We also used to mischaracterize PTSD as cowardice and weakness. We change our views as we gain new evidence (for the most part).

        • Squirrel

          PTSD is probably going to be changed to PTSR, as in Post Traumatic Stress Response, as there is in fact a predictable response to traumatic stress. I like the idea, because removing the ‘disorder ‘ part will also help reduce the stigma.

      • Frank_in_Spokane

        But what if “Guilt, not PTSD, is what afflicts Iraq War veterans”? (Google the 2/5/2013 story with that title by Jacob G. Hornberger.)

        • Not really related. Some things you see stay with you forever. Could you feel guilty about something of course but I don;t think it fits in to the PTSD diagnosis.

          • Frank_in_Spokane

            I imagine that combat under just circumstances can be spiritually and psychologically shocking enough.

            But if “the troops” are sent to do something unjust — like invade a country that had neither attacked nor threatened us, and kill the people who are resisting that invasion — then it’s quite likely that more than a few of them would either realize that, or have to deal with it subconsciously. For them, the anguish would necessarily be over what they saw, but what they enforced.

            Since the U.S. government was the aggressor in the war on Iraq, that means that no U.S. soldier had the moral authority to kill even one single Iraqi. Every single soldier who killed an Iraqi or who even participated in the enterprise was guilty of murder in a moral, religious, and spiritual sense.

            How can the murder of another human being not have an enormous psychological impact on the killer, especially when the killer is a normal human being as compared to a sociopathic serial killer? Ultimately, the conscience starts working and eating away at the person’s subconscious mind.

            However, the problem is that the military can never acknowledge the veteran’s feelings of guilt because that would imply that the U.S. government was wrong to send the troops into Iraq. That’s just not going to happen. The government has to continue maintaining its official line — that it was right to invade the country and Iraq was wrong to defend against the invasion.

            How can a person be healed of guilt when he’s being told that he didn’t do anything wrong and that he’s really just suffering from combat stress? Doesn’t relief from guilt require an acknowledgement that the person has done something wrong, as compared to something stressful? Unlike combat stress, doesn’t guilt require confession, repentance, and forgiveness?

            Yet, that’s the last thing these guys are encouraged to do. Instead, people thank them for their service in Iraq, reinforcing the image that they they’ve done something right by killing Iraqis. They’re praised for their heroism and courage in battle, notwithstanding the fact that they had no legal, religious, or moral grounds for killing people in Iraq.

            ~ Jacob Hornberger, “Guilt, Not PTSD, Is What Afflicts Iraq War Veterans,” 2/5/2013

    • valorius

      None of that crap has anything to do with his war record, which is beyond reproach.

      • CrankyFool

        Sure, but the movie’s not just about that. And he wasn’t just his war record.

        • valorius

          That’s the only part I’m concerned with, his personal,life is his own business, and honestly, of no interest to me whatsoever.

          • Katie A

            Valorius, I couldn’t agree more wholeheartedly.

          • valorius

            Thanks for your service Katie.

          • I’m in no way interested in a personal life open to interpretation by all. That’s especially true since he’s no longer around to defend himself. I’m more interested in what was in the book—-the historical facts.

          • Joe

            Mr Kyle wasn’t reluctantly pushed into the public sphere. He went out of his way to have the spotlight. There are plenty of vets who have distinguish themselves in combat, without writing a best selling narrative of their service and touring the talk show circuit.
            I agree that, in general, veterans are entitled to respect and privacy.
            However, when you decide to write a book publicizing your military exploits and your off duty conduct, you open that door. I’m not sure why Kyle would fabricate a story about striking an old man while drinking, but, true or false, that is the story he chose to publish. I wish the man had been alive to personally defend his reputation in court. However, I don’t think any American jury looks forward to handing down a judgement against the widow of a nationally revered war hero. No one looks forward to challenging the integrity and credibility of a Navy SEAL. I doubt it was a judgement the jury came to lightly. The truth is some guys tell stories. As unnecessary as it may seem, even some of the guys with truly remarkable lives feel the need to embellish here and there. That’s not to take anything away from the man’s military service, but every combat veteran, knows at least a couple guys from his unit that were storytellers -if he doesn’t he’s probably the one telling you a story. If you want to do right by vets then you need to accept them and appreciate them as they are; don’t set this unrealistic standard of perfection for them to fulfill. It’s possible for a man to be both a hero and a storyteller. I didn’t know the man, maybe he was exactly the example of the flawless hero. Nonetheless, this resistance to accepting that our war heroes may have flaws and short comings is what causes vets to internalize their difficulties and put up walls. We don’t lose 22 vets a day to suicide because heroes are perfect and infallible.

          • I do accept them as they are warts and all.

      • totenglocke

        Sorry, but how can you say his military record was “beyond reproach” when he invaded a nation that posed no threat to us and murdered their citizens? I guess if you mean “He was a good dog and followed orders”, then he’s beyond reproach – but if you evaluate the morality of what he did, there’s plenty to criticize.

        • valorius

          So I guess youre a douche, huh?

    • Katie A

      Regarding the “D”: You will find increasing numbers of veterans and mental health professionals alike are no longer referring to it as “PTSD” but as “PTS.” It’s worth taking a moment to readjust and drop the “D” if for no other reason than removing the stigma that remains attached to it. People argue the stigma has dropped, citing the greater amount of treatment more openly available to veterans and the significant increase in awareness literature and active conversations on base but the reality is there is still a stigma. Dropping the “D” is part of destroying that stigma and encouraging those suffering from PTS to seek help. And yes, Darren, you are correct, Chris was for dropping the “D.”

      Frankly I do not care that the DSM classification refers to it as PTSD. I would rather do what I can to make those suffering from it more willing to seek help and more willing to talk about it than fuss over DSM classifications. We lose an average of 22 military members a day to suicide and a vast number suffer from PTS. It may take some getting used to but isn’t a little human kindness more important than pushing the inclusion of a letter of the alphabet?

      • Bill

        You need to care what the DSM classification refers to, because it is the accepted language of the insurance business, the VA and the mental health community. If it isn’t coded right, services don’t get rendered. I’d expect technical accuracy, and not editorializing, from a journalist.

        • Katie A

          I am not writing code for a billing department. Dropping that D makes many of the vets I spend time with more comfortable. As I said, that is why I do it, and it is the right thing to do.

        • DiverEngrSL17K

          I think you have a very good and valid technical point, but Katie A. also has an equally valid point about humanity beyond legalities and codification. Sometimes, I think that we, as a “nation of laws”, become caught up in our obsession with those laws and their ramifications to the point where sensibility and humanity are discarded for the sake of conformity.

      • DiverEngrSL17K

        Kindness, let alone “human” kindness, is the key, and something severely missing in the world of today in more than one aspect.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      My friend, you have hit the nail on the head, being completely realistic and cognizant of who Chris Kyle was — a human being with foibles and weaknesses on the one hand, and integrity and strengths on the other, like anyone else, but who did his best to deliver where it mattered ( and largely succeeded ). We can only hope to do as much in our lives.

  • Katana67

    I mean, there’s two (and multiple) sides to every coin. Just as you say his memory shouldn’t be slandered, as he is a hero, everyone is subject to criticism. Especially folks who’ve made their stories public for all to see. Doesn’t really do anyone any good personally calling out other journalists, lest you become a hypocrite. His death is/was a tragedy, I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise.

    Likewise, I think you’re blurring the line a bit between the movie and the man. Sure, they may not have seen the movie, but it doesn’t appear that the journalists you’re citing were referring to the content of the movie. So not sure the label “pre-emptive naysayer” is apt.

    However, this type of personal attack/defense article is definitely not what I come to TFB for, legitimate gripe, within the auspices of TFB’s posting rules, or otherwise.

    • You might visit SOFREP.com and read what Brandon Webb has to say about it. He has seen the movie if I remember correctly and was rather disappointed with it. Brandon and Chris were friends so——–

      • Katana67

        Thanks for the link.

        If I’m reading the article correctly, Mr. Webb appears to be taking issue with the depiction of SEALs (in areas such as training and aesthetic accuracy) in general, rather than the depiction of Chris Kyle. Which, again if I’m reading the same article, he seems generally satisfied with Cooper’s depiction of Kyle.

        “Bradley Cooper reached deep and delivered Kyle, and anyone watching will get to know Chris through Cooper’s performance, and that alone is worth watching this movie.”

        • Very welcome. Brandon was thinking the movie would have more to do with the what the title indicates and that’s the events that took place overseas with a lot less personal topics. I would have expected the same along the lines of “Lone Survivor”.
          But we have to remember when a person has passed away Hollywood takes that as a go sign to bring out and represent someone in any manner they want.
          I’m just glad to hear Bradley did justice by Chris in his portrayal.

          I can’t say I knew Chris as Katie did but we exchanged some emails and a bit of back and forth on SOFREP that’s it. He was human and I’m sure made mistakes as we all do. I can’t and shouldn’t pass judgement unless I knew him well. I don’t think it’s right to judge or draw conclusions about a person’s faults unless they know first hand the circumstances. His military record is public record and well accepted as true so maybe the movie makers should have stayed with that rather than use third hand information and such.
          As far as Ventura the SEAL community made their collective minds up by making him persona non grata and no longer on the wall at Coronado as I understand it.
          Some have called Chris some pretty bad names for his actions in war but his job was to protect our troops from insurgents which is saving our troops lives and ending those who would kill them. A noble if difficult task. Snipers have always taken flak for the job they do and still do today. But, the end result is saved American lives.

          • Katana67

            Couldn’t agree more.

            Katie is certainly right, Chris Kyle is a man who deserves to be honored. A few misgivings/discrepancies should not take away from that fact.

            I didn’t mention the specifics that you and the Men’s Journal article did for a reason, because I’m not in a position to verify/refute any of them. But those in a position to do so, journalists, lawyers, informed analysts, parties involved, shouldn’t be chastised for laying out potentially derogatory information.

            Which is exactly why I took issue with Katie’s characterization of the particular Men’s Journal article she chose to highlight. I actually thought the article itself was reasonably fair (aside from the inclusion of the word “true” in the title) in laying out potential discrepancies, whatever they may be. The author of that article seems to be remarkably aware of his own potential shortcomings, acknowledging several times that “the truth behind these stories may never be known.” So, I think Katie’s particular critique may be a bit off-point with this article. She’d’ve been better served illustrating the author’s own methodological shortcomings (i.e. his use of the word “true” in the title is directly in conflict with his later admission that he doesn’t know the truth).

            Also, there’s certainly something to be said for the “click bait” factor of the Men’s Journal article, especially given its proximity to the release of American Sniper. As these potential discrepancies with regard to Mr. Kyle have been known since September at the earliest. Which would have been a great thing for Katie to mention as well.

            However, as to why I said my last bit in the original comment, the edge of this article is derived from a near-accusatory emotional appeal. The particular part that rubbed me the wrong way was the last paragraph of the above article, which seemed to draw a line in the sand and discourages any critique at all. The last portion in particular “… those who do respect his memory are many. I count myself among them. Do you?” is directly guilting the reader into

            sympathy.

            Likewise, I feel that Katie’s argument of “they’re pre-empting the movie without even seeing it” is sort of irrelevant. She isn’t really talking about the movie (as a factor) at all, perhaps even less than the article she’s citing.

            However, to end, Chris Kyle is a man worthy of honorable remembrance. Not disputing that.

    • valorius

      If you can’t simply not click on a particular story, Then don’t come.

      • Katana67

        I have to actually read the story to comprehend the content of the story, much less the biases and approach used to write the article. The adage “not judging a book by its cover,” comes to mind.

        I can’t somehow know I won’t like a piece, without actually reading it.

        I clicked on an article on a blog that I read regularly, read the article, disapproved of the approach/tone of the article, and voiced that disapproval in a respectful manner. Not sure what’s problematic about that.

        • valorius

          Didn’t you just say you don’t come to this site for articles like this?

          I’m confused.

          • Katana67

            I have to actually read the article to find out whether it’s the type of article that I come to TFB to enjoy.

            I don’t disapprove of the article being about American Sniper (film/book), firearms journalism, or Chris Kyle himself, I disapprove of its tone and what is being said in the article.

            Which requires me to read said article to identify.

        • Grindstone50k

          The problem is you’re interrupting the echo chamber.

  • valorius

    Haters make us famous.

    Ignore them.

    • Katie A

      This is true, but it does bother me quite a bit when this sort of behavior crops up, and although I expect to see more of it as the movie comes out it’s still not right. Some things are worth my taking the time to stand up and speak out. Frankly I think Taya deserves the support, if for no other reason.

      • valorius

        Having Haters is truly the price of fame.

        I understand your point, but the reality is, haters dont just make you famous, but they keep you famous too.

        • Katie A

          Also true. But everyone once in awhile I reach my tipping point. 🙂 Thank you for your remarks in this thread, it’s nice to see someone understand the reasoning behind my statements.

  • Grindstone50k

    Making someone out to be an infallible super hero does not do them justice. It is the insecure that need their heroes to be spotless. But a spotless person does not appear to be a human person. I say his flaws make him better, show us how real he was. Maybe it’s uncomfortable? Sure. But hero worship does not do him real justice.

    • Nicks87

      Too much hero worship in general these days. Way too many people being put up on a pedestal for doing their jobs. I refuse to watch movies or TV shows dedicated to OIF/OEF operations. Going over there and killing those people isnt an accomplishment. It was more like shooting fish in a barrel. 90% of the population is illiterate and half of them are living in mud huts. Yeah they killed Americans and our allies but what would you do if your country was being invaded and the head of your church (or mosque or synagogue, etc) told you to kill the foreign invaders and you will be rewarded in the afterlife, most of you would do the same thing. OIF/OEF was a huge waste of life and money and I’m embarrassed to have been a part of it.

      • Sickshooter0

        First I want to thank you for your service. I served during peace-time and have no idea what it was (or is) like to be in TO however the “fish” you speak of have sent many of our brothers home under a flag.

      • USMC03Vet

        Wow.

        Sorry you drank the hater koolaid regarding your service. I hate when vets discredit the good they did over there even if the spineless out of harms way threw it all away and never had a dog in the fight.

        I’m the exact opposite. I wish I did more and have zero regrets about removing scum off the earth.

        The movie portrays Kyle as an emotional wreck as though he’s a victim. The guy in reality couldn’t be further from that. He was completely at peace with what he did and would do it again. Hollywood can’t help but make all veterans a victim though.

        • Nicks87

          I’m glad you were able to see it that way. I agree there was a lot of slime over there that got what they deserved but I always wondered, if the tables were turned, and they were invading my country wouldnt I be doing the same thing? I mean fighting back in any way possible.

      • No need to be embarrassed about it Nick. You were doing a service to your country and getting rid of a real threat in the Taliban and AQ. You were also protecting us from future attacks from those organizations.

        • Nicks87

          I guess “embarrassed” might have been the wrong word but I just hate it when people try to take the human element out of warfare and act like it’s a game or some sort of competition. Hopefully some good does come out of what we did over there but for me the bitter taste remains.

          • I understand Nick and I sure don’t judge you or anyone else who served in either theatre.

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            I definitely second that.

        • iksnilol

          Because people who can’t even aim an AK are a threat to you in spite of being thousands of kilometers away from you (with an ocean between to boot).

          • totenglocke

            It’s what they have to say to hide the racist / religious zealot motivations behind their desire for war. Then they insist that “We’re killing them to force them to have a better type of country”, yet they’re too foolish to realize that the same thing would be said by the Chinese if they invaded the US. Just because you think that your socioeconomic system is better doesn’t mean that you have the right to murder anyone who disagrees.

          • ah twin towers—– I’m not worried about idiots with AK’s it’s the 9/11 types that stem from those organizations that concern me.

          • Grindstone50k

            9/11, Arabians, Iraq not even related, etc etc.

          • Planned, funded and organized out of Afghanistan.

          • KestrelBike

            I disagree, sir. Saudis planned/funded/organized it. Afghanistan was like the bar everyone pre-gamed at before heading to the big show. If we wanted to teach someone a lesson, we should have levelled SA’s palaces. But because we needed that oil back then… We hit the dive bar instead.

  • Geoffry K

    “Never speak ill of the dead.”

    • Plenty of truly contemptible people have died throughout history. I’m not saying Mr. Kyle was one of them, but lets not shut the door on Pol Pot, Idi Amin, et al.

      • Beaumont

        What on earth are you talking about?

        • Dictionary and encyclopedia stuff. Nevermind.

        • Dictionary and history book stuff. Nevermind.

    • Joe

      Who are you quoting?

  • His estate is suing my friend. I have some privilaged information about Kyle and while I agree he is a hero, he was definitely a BSer (see ventura, gas station, etc). It will be hard to ever know what really is and isnt the truth and that is unfortunate.

    • Ventura!??

      • Ha, no.

      • Joe

        I also have been operating under the impression that Kyle had lied about Ventura. Is that not the case? I seem to remember a relatively recent court judgement against Kyle’s estate in favor of Ventura. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    • BattleshipGrey

      That is very unfortunate. I recently read Lone Survivor and loved it, I was even tempted not to watch the movie afterwards because hollywood not only leaves things out, they change things that shouldn’t be. So I watched the movie anyway and was blown away by the blatant changes from the book, and Luttrell was involved in the movie! Obviously I then had to investigate the discrepancies, only to find that the book itself was under major scrutiny.

      I figured that since there was only one survivor in Luttrell’s case, they took more liberty with the story and that with Kyle’s story not as much could be exaggerated or made up since it would eventually be corroborated with other survivors/parties. It’s disappointing in deed to hear otherwise and truly skews one’s perception of who to believe. If we can’t believe our greatest, toughest heroes, who can we believe?

      I just haven’t had time to read American Sniper, but I don’t think I’m going to bother. I’m having a hard time swallowing sensationalism in print, since that’s one of the biggest reasons I left watching TV a long time ago.

      • Grindstone50k

        I leave the documentaries to the History Channel (well, I used to anyway) and go to the theater to be entertained.

        • BattleshipGrey

          Yeah, I avoid the History Channel too:) I’ve switched to audio lectures and historical bookds. As far as entertainment, maybe this is why I like sci-fi, anime and fantasy, it doesn’t claim to be “based” from a true story.

          • john huscio

            Eh, Shelby stanga is entertaining….

        • DiverEngrSL17K

          You are right, the so-called “History Channel” !?!? as we know it at the time of writing :).

      • Yellow Devil

        I personally think the book Lone Survivor was better than the book American Sniper. It’s easier to follow one operation than multiple vignettes over several tours. The movie Lone Survivor was alright, but I did have a problem with the Hollywood liberties they took. As for the truth, only God knows at this point, I figure being shot at and the passage of time has a way of clouding any accurate account.

    • n0truscotsman

      Before anybody decides to get pissed off, I suggest they read this article about that lawsuit

      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado#!

      I dont worship heroes and have my criticisms, despite the fact that I wouldnt have kicked kyle out of my OP in A-stan 😉

      • My friend is not Ventura, lol.

        • Beaumont

          Then name the person. You brought the subject up, now disclose.

          • We talked and it really has nothing to do with this topic or discussion. That said he has no reason to talk about it.

          • Beaumont

            Then he should not have mentioned it. But he did so, and thus invited discussion of the subject –this is the internet, after all — and followed up by refusing to verify his statement. That he did so suggests nothing good about his judgement.

          • I mentioned it to contribute to Katie’s article and relay that I can attest to the fact that the much speculated upon exaggeration and fabrications regarding the life of Mr. Kyle are, by at large, valid criticisms. To make this point, disclosing details of the litigation in which my friend is involved is not necessary or helpful.

            It was best voiced above:
            “Making someone out to be an infallible super hero does not do them
            justice… a
            spotless person does not appear to be a human person. I say his flaws
            make him better, show us how real he was.”

          • Beaumont

            You should sell tickets — that’s quite a parade you’ve got going there. But all the marching bands are playing the same tune.

        • n0truscotsman

          No I didn’t say so 😀 but everytime I see this subject matter brought up, I always link to that article to keep the pitchfork wielders at bay.

      • Frank_in_Spokane

        Yup, read that piece back when it first came out. Good stuff.

      • USMC03Vet

        You can’t defame a 9/11 truther that lost all credibility years prior.

        • n0truscotsman

          Ill take him over another war on drugs zealot, militarist, financial clergy type, and surveillance apologist. Sorry.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      You do realize — ALL OF YOU — that if this is correct, that it simply means that Chris Kyle was simply human, like the rest of us, with the same fears, faults, motivations, hopes and dreams? Which in no way detracts from his courage or accomplishments.

      • Very true on all points.

      • floppyscience

        Of course it doesn’t detract from his accomplishments, but it certainly speaks to his character and makes his blind worship by half of this community even more insufferable.

        • Hank Seiter

          Are we to assume your character is better than Kyles simply because you have the courage to criticize a dead man? You only have the right to spew your invectives because men better than you died in questionable wars with questionable motives. Every war can be second-guess, including the American Revolution itself which was viewed by many more “civilized” people as nothing but an uprising by traitors and monied colonialists. By interjecting himself into a “European war”, FDR sent 430,000 American soldiers to their death in the African, European and Pacific theaters.
          And I imagine your own life could be nit-picked by those who have political axes to grind. Karma’s a beeeyotch when it comes to criticizing people who died for higher stakes than you’ve ever had to confront.

          • floppyscience

            Okay.

  • Jim_Macklin

    PTS happens to civilians too. I’ll cite George Zimmerman and the three PTS events that left him a victim of PTS.
    Start with being attacked and having your head bashed on the concrete, followed by the justified shooting of his physical attacker. The the final PTS event, a year long illegal arrest, confinement, trial and finally a not guilty verdict that the MSM did their best to claim was a miscarriage of justice.
    The whole nation will suffer PTS if the MSM continues to glorify criminals.

  • Bet they wouldn’t have said it too his face

  • dan citizen

    This is the first I’ve heard of him or the film. But oddly enough, this is maybe the tenth time I’ve heard the carjacking story, including the special phone number, and every time the teller was the shooter. The first telling was maybe 20 years ago. I guess it just happens to a lot of soldiers, they must have a call center for all the people calling that secret get-out-of-jail-number.

    As to the Katrina story, it is undoubtedly true, though it must have been damned crowded up there, as I’ve met more than a dozen soldiers that reported they were on that roof shooting looters, claiming kill counts from 10 to 200 each, and representing all branches of our armed forces, as well as one serving with the IDF.

  • TheSmellofNapalm

    As much as I hate hearing about people knocking CK, as I’m currently reading his book, it’s their 1st Amendment right. The guy wasn’t infallible and obviously had a big mouth. He said some stupid things. That doesn’t detract from his service record and I hope the film is well-received. No one’s perfect, especially after a decade of combat.

    • )Decade of combat) Isn’t that the truth.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      Combat, let alone a decade of it, can and will magnify one’s imperfections via changes in perspective, no matter how much awareness one has, or how much good one has done otherwise. It is the unfortunate nature of the beast, as so many of us have found out to our cost.

  • What in the world are you talking about?

  • I doubt it but stranger things have happened.

    • Phil Hsueh

      I’d doubt it too, especially since Hollywood tends to have a hard time with accuracy preferring to go with what looks good on screen, accuracy be damned. Besides, there’s been so many documentaries made and books printed on BUDs and SEAL training in general that I doubt that the American Sniper movie would have given away anything that we, and by extension the bad guys, already know.

      • Oh no doubt the Seals are a national obsession these days which pleases Delta to no end. Delta very much likes the quiet side of the bench.
        Anyway hollywood seldom takes the time to get the details correct either because it doesn’t look or sound good on the screen or they just don’t know any better.

        • DiverEngrSL17K

          Interesting you should say that, Phil. The SBS were ( and still are ) quite content to let the SAS take all the glory ( albeit most reluctantly, the SAS themselves would much rather have the Royal Marine Commando, Parachute Regiment, etc. take up the limelight ) if discretion is to be maintained.

  • me ohmy

    those who but small and unable to achieve his merits, will pointedly attack his character, while having none of their own to speak of.. and they suck.

  • Grindstone50k

    Actually they have a 1st Amendment right. So, there’s that.

  • Seerightthere!

    I have never met a Man anywhere who reads “Men’s Journal”. I do know quite a few Men who will go to see this movie.

    • Beaumont

      Don’t read it, but, their choice of cover art gives the impression that they are targeting a particular male demographic. The way to get most men to read articles on health and fitness is to illustrate them with pics of healthy women, not healthy males.

      • Seerightthere!

        “Ahh I see” said the blind man!

        • Don Ward

          To the deaf dog.

  • Blake

    As it turns out, not everyone handles being thrust into the public limelight well, especially if it’s not “part of the job” in your field & you were never trained for it (i.e. your job doesn’t entail being a public face e.g. actor, journalist, performer, politician, etc.). The lamestream media’s glorification of anything deemed “a good sell to the sheeple” exacerbates the problem.

    This should in no way detract from someone’s service to others, & service to their country.

    I would suggest that if the media put the life & career of each of us commenting on this blog under a microscope & aired the gritty details of our dirty laundry for all the world to see with much pomp & fanfare, most of us would be encircled by a similar $#!tstorm as the late CPO Kyle.

    & most of us haven’t been through four tours of duty in Iraq & blown up six times…

  • Ed McCarthy

    YES, I do…absolutely!!!!!!

  • tyler

    I hope you are not suggesting that the film should only depict him as a hero and a saint. I am an adult and am capable of forming my own opinion of the man, and would prefer to avoid accounts that are sanitized or gloss over certain details. If the film is fictionalizing, that’s one thing, but just adding information you don’t like is hardly a crime.

    It is possible to honor someone and also show that there are other aspects of their lives worth mentioning. Otherwise it’s just jingoist propaganda.

  • Simcha M.

    My question to you is: why do you feel the need to adopt an anonymous profile in order to make an inflammatory accusation??

  • AKSapper

    Now maybe I dont “get it” but the blog says “Firearms NOT Politics” yet we keep getting politics in it . Maybe a more subtle way but it’s still there. Having pieces like this and other “opinion” articles is blurring that line .

    • Don Ward

      Firearms, NOT! Politics.

    • Frank_in_Spokane

      And furthermore, if a commenter expresses an “unapproved” opinion in response, his comment is removed.

      ‘Murica.

  • Captain Obvious

    Chris Kyle’s book was very good but movies are rarely if ever as good as the books they are based on. The movie only needs to be entertaining to be successful which I hope it will be. As for the rest of it, it is a shame that Kyle was kind of a a BSer but that is over and doesn’t really matter at this point.

  • big lee

    Sure seems like politics to ME.

  • WmThomas2424

    Thank you for putting your perspective into the public. I fear there are forces in America that aim to discredit any and all of the brave men who gave their time and lives for the freedom of others. It is easy for the naysayers whom have never stepped foot into any of these conflicts to condemn the US as imperialist but those who really know see that couldn’t be further from the truth. I think Eastwood tried his best to convey his life on screen. Whether he captured Kyle’s essense or not is to be seen but I’m glad he tried. . Kyle and the other troops deserve as much and so do the families that support them.

    • dannye

      This comment is especially hilarious considering the decades-long campaign to deify the US military came out of the Pentagon after their debacle in Vietnam.

      Plainly incorrect lies like “freedom of others” and deliberate devaluation of words like “heroes” are part of this plan.

  • Nicks87

    I could argue my points all day long but I just dont have the time or the desire to do it. It’s easy to just call them “insurgents” and act like confirmed kills are a number on a score board but I think in reality they were/are people fighting for what they believe in and to repel foreign invaders. We may not believe in suicide bombings or the way they carried out their attacks but thats the only way they know how to be effective, not to mention they are being conned by some cleric into believing they have no other choice. Also, when I go to the VA hospital I talk to plenty of Vietnam vets who feel the same way I do so…

  • dan citizen

    At what point is hollywood expected to have an accuracy or credibility?

    We might as well believe in Santa Clause (who totally owes me a pony)

  • Frank_in_Spokane

    I’m a Christian first and foremost. And because of that, I’m also a pro-gun “conservo-libertarian.”

    A couple of says ago, I expressed a “different” (i.e., anti-this-war) opinion here re. Chris Kyle’s story. And today I discover my post has been removed.

    I’d expect that kind of treatment from the lib-left-looney-land of Crooks & Liars. Heck, they banned me for expressing my views on gun rights — with intelligence and civility, and in full accord with their own TOS. (Unlike C&L’s flaming leftist denizens.)

    But now a blog that I expected to be more “pro-freedom” than C&L is deleting my differing opinion?

    Is that the “freedom” that “our troops” were fighting for over in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    • Don Ward

      Boo-frickety-hoo.

      • Frank_in_Spokane

        Thanks, but I’m not crying, Don. Just sayin’, is all.

        Don’t you think the “pro-liberty” side should be more open (than the “statist/disarmist” side) to discussing all sides of an issue?

    • I don’t recall deleting any appropriate comments from you. Disqus shows you have a low rep so it tends to block more of your comments I guess.

      • Frank_in_Spokane

        Thanks … tried reposting as a fresh comment.

        • If it was the exact same post it will key on certain words again. If I see it I’ll try to get rid of the keyed on words and let it through. Try it again—-

          Is that the one from a day ago down below?

          • Frank_in_Spokane

            1. The only reason I even learned that it got removed was the red “Removed” flag next to it on my Disqus page. I assumed that it occurred by human action, but if you say a Disqus algorithm could have caused it … well I’m no Disqus old-timer, but that would have been a first for me. At any rate, thanks for letting me say my piece.

            2. I reposted after modifying the url (replaced “.” with “[dot]”). Just in case your settings don’t permit the posting of links.

          • Ok that explains it because links will be blocked every time.

          • Frank_in_Spokane

            So then, it seems that even though Disqus is some sort of centrally-powered “comblock engine,” each and every site that utilizes it can customize their settings as they see fit (ability to post links, use of certain html tags, etc.) Is that correct?

          • You can customize it for certain words,URL’s etc yes. Some of the URLs people have tried to post you wouldn’t believe. Advertising also.

          • Frank_in_Spokane

            Roger that, understood. (And yes, I WOULD believe!)

          • Yep I imagine you do:-)

          • Frank_in_Spokane

            However, I just realized that there are two other links on this thread. One from Washington Times, the other from National Review. Any idea why that is? (Posters have higher reps, maybe?)

          • It may be Frank. I know a lot of the post that are blocked have URLs in them but no other problems. I guess it’s possible the low rep is a factor.
            I’ll have to dig into the settings and see if I can find out.

          • Frank_in_Spokane

            If I have a low rep, it’s almost certainly b/c of my participation in gun-related threads on Crooks & Liars. Tried to be the voice of reason and civility in a monkey-house full of disarms lib’ruls. Just got poop thrown on me for my troubles. Lesson learned. I’m having much better discussions on the pro-liberty sites, as well as at the left-leaning media sites that The Gun Feed links to.

            Peace out … and a happy new year. 🙂

          • Same to you sir!

            I’m not sure where the numbers come from the program doesn;t say. It just gives totals. If you were on a lib website making sense you sir are probably right!

          • Hey and something else to pass along on that lo rep stuff. We have nothing to do with that. Disqus does that entirely independent from us. If you belong to other blogs Disqus takes those comments and ours uses the flagged comments and those marked as spam and it’s automatic from there.
            I just wanted you to know we have no control over that.

          • I do remember having to ok a Washington Times link so it was blocked at first I believe.

  • Frank_in_Spokane

    Kyle is hailed as a hero among most American gun owners. It’s hard to tell how much of that is because most gun owners are America-worshippers, vs. the tragic circumstances surrounding his murder, vs. Kyle’s skill with a rifle.

    Wholly apart from the Kyle-Ventura case, some of us don’t think the US had any legitimate business in Iraq. It is undeniable that Kyle was good at what he did, but the people he killed were fighting against a US invasion that many of us consider to have been illegal. (No less than Pat Tillman thought it was illegal, and he was there.)

    In a scenario like that portrayed in the film “Red Dawn,” would you consider a Cuban sniper who took out scores of American insurgents to be a “hero,” regardless of his level of skill?

    I surely feel for Kyle’s wife and family. From recent interviews and news reports, it seems evident that he was at peace with God in the performance of his duties. I sincerely hope that his hope was in the Savior whose birth we celebrate tonight.

    But I don’t consider him to be a “hero.”

    fff[dot]org/2013/02/05/guilt-not-ptsd-is-what-afflicts-iraq-war-veterans/

    • iksnilol

      Get out of here with your common sense. Echo chambers don’t work that way.

      I am being sarcastic by the way.

  • DiverEngrSL17K

    While I have much respect for you as a knowledgeable military journalist, as a veteran I have to agree with other veterans such as Nicks87 and the many astute observers on TFB. Chris Kyle is worthy of the greatest respect for trying to do his duty as he saw it, and for what he believed in — no one doubts that. He was also human, with the same sort of human frailties, doubts, demons, and many positive strengths that we all have to some degree or the other. He was not some superhuman figure, for the simple reason that no human being, no matter how great or accomplished, can ever be as such. That is the harsh reality of existence, like it or not.

    As a nation, we seem to gravitate towards hero worship in a way that often exceeds reason, and by doing so, we actually do our “heroes” and “heroines” the gravest possible disservice of putting them on a pedestal, with expectations of a standard of conduct that is virtually impossible for anyone to consistently fulfill. We only have to look very closely at past examples of “heroes” and how we personally may have lionized them, only to be disappointed or bewildered later on when more information has surfaced revealing them to be apparently less than the ideal models we have expected, after which we seem to all-too-often blame or shun them, with predictably painful results. This seems to go hand-in-hand with the increasingly black-or-white social outlook that prevails today. We fail to recognize them as human beings who have their strengths and weaknesses who need to be acknowledged and understood for who they really are. Has anyone really thought about what we end up doing to these individuals and their families by elevating them to “hero” ( and therefore virtually immortal, can-do-no-wrong ) status? “American Sniper” might contain certain historical and technical inaccuracies, but Clint Eastwood’s attempts to portray the lead character as humanly good and simultaneously flawed are true and sincere in that sense.

    The public and the media constantly chatter about how the SEAL’s, Special Forces operatives, SAS, SBS, Spetsnaz, etc., are a breed completely apart from everyone else. In reality, they are just as human and vulnerable as anyone else, just better-trained with a more goal-specific mindset, that’s all, and therefore endowed with enough of an extra margin that could make the difference in a critical situation where it matters. It takes an exponentially greater amount of training and proficiency to achieve a proportionately smaller margin of superiority over an otherwise qualified opponent due to the law of diminishing returns. That, again, is another harsh reality we have to acknowledge.

    Special Forces operatives of any stripe, nationality or creed are some of the most realistic people I know, and no-one actually thinks that he is better than anyone else, because thinking like that does not take into account a variety of factors that will get him and his team members killed, along with probable mission failure. If an individual actually imagines himself to be thus, he does not belong in the unit. In that light, I think the best we can do for Chris Kyle, and others like him who have made the last and ultimate sacrifice, is to see and understand them for who they are as living, breathing people with their own fears, flaws, hopes and dreams, and who were able to overcome adversity at moments in time where it mattered. That, and remembrance, would be the ultimate tribute — not this hero worship we seem inordinately fond of indulging in.

  • radarrat

    First, after reading the article then reading the comments I am almost embarrassed to call myself a veteran. Kate did a nice job talking about the movie and recaps it pretty well. She did not write the movie, nor direct it. There is a lot of petty complaining here which amazes me.

    Really, if you don’t support the military actions fine, vote for change. I am a Desert Shield/Storm vet, I was out of the military before the current campaigns but we were proud of our mission. When 9/11 hit, I was a NYS Paramedic, I lost three personal friends when the towers fell, unarmed combatants so I do not want to hear about the citizens over there fighting some type of just war, their government allowed the attacks against us; or how it’s like shooting fish in a barrel or how embarrassed you are because of the mission.

    I am proud of the service of every man and woman who is serving there. I truly believe the few trolls on these comments are just trying to discredit the US, and her brave men and women. I refuse to accept that they are prior sevice, because a true brother would never be that critical of a fellow brother. To those who served in Vietnam, welcome home brothers, I have not, nor will I ever forget. USAF, Air Traffic Controller, 1982-91…

    • iksnilol

      How did their government allow 11/9 to happen? Because terrorists (who are outlaws) where from one specific country? That is like Norway invading Denmark because a terrorist in Norway was Danish (just a hypotethical example).

      • 9/11 you mean—-

        • iksnilol

          Not according to my date format.

          But moving back on to politics: you aren’t really helping public image/keeping your country safe with an invasion of another country. And of course killing those that aren’t a threat (Johnny Jihad that can’t aim for example).

    • Frank_in_Spokane

      “I lost three personal friends when the towers fell, unarmed combatants so I do not want to hear about the citizens over there fighting some type of just war, their government allowed the attacks against us”

      1. The majority of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi. I don’t recall us declaring war on SA.

      2. You might not give two hoots for Obama or his foreign policy. But I’ll bet that if some foreign nation invaded us in pursuit of some Bravo Sierra policy of “regime change,” you’d pick up your rifle and fight them, just like I would. And their snipers shooting at guys like you and me wouldn’t be “heroes.” Now try once more to imagine just how those Iraqi insurgents felt about being “liberated”/invaded.

  • Zachary marrs

    Ehh, the more i read about it, the less i want to see it

    Sorta like “the interview”

  • Frank_in_Spokane

    An off-topic but pertinent (I think) observation:

    I discovered TheGunFeed about a month ago, and TFB a few days ago (via TGF).

    Several posters below have commented on TFB’s “Guns Not Politics” tagline. An admirable thought perhaps, but considering that privately-owned firearms may serve as (among other things) a symbol of the citizenry’s ultimate political sovereignty, is “Guns Not Politics” truly realistic?

    Not trying to upset TFB’S apple cart. If you truly wish to maintain “Guns Not Politics,” just say so. Your house, your rules.

    But it occurs to me that we gun owners — from collectors to “Fudds” to “militia-types” and anyone in between — need to learn how to discuss our differences with others “with candor, intelligence and goodwill” (as Bill Bennett likes to say).

    I’ve encountered (online) more than a few Democrats/liberals who profess a strong desire to remain armed. I can’t personally fathom those concepts existing together in one mind, but there you have it.

    JMTC, YMMV. Peace.

    • It’s realistic and we’ve been doing it since day one. We always have those who ignore it or try to. At that point I usually say something to them and see if they persist. If so there are times I have to take the next step.
      We do the best we can to keep politics out of it since it takes everyone away from the topic of guns. Causes hard feelings and a lot of hate back and forth. The main thing we try for is people being civil to one another and staying out of politics. Any mature adult can disagree with someone else without name calling and such if they just make an effort to.

  • Ted Unlis

    I don’t believe any reasonable person questions the accomplishments of Chris Kyle or anyone else who is committed enough to attain SEAL status, or for that matter any U.S. Veteran who persevered through combat.

    When I watched the Fox News interview of Kyle to promote his book, I totally believed and ate up his convincing account of kicking Jesse Ventura’s ass in a Coronado California SEAL bar. After all, if a legendary hero said it on national TV, who wouldn’t believe it must be true?

    But then after the tragic death of Kyle we learn that substantial evidence came to light in the defamation lawsuit that the Ventura ass kicking story was apparently just a line of bull$#it, and if in fact that alleged altercation with Ventura never actually happened, that is a problem that would cause any reasonable person to question what is real and what is bull$#it in the Chris Kyle story as told by Chris Kyle.

    I still want to believe that he kicked Ventura’s ass, I still want to believe everything about Chris Kyle the legend, but, however flawed Chris Kyle the mortal may or may not have been, his legacy as the most accomplished sniper in U.S. history remains and our country owes that legacy a debt of gratitude.

  • Martin Frank

    Terrible article, way to spend the first paragraph talking about yourself. This is an article complaining about people complaining about a movie. Can i have my 5 minutes back. Stick to writing laffy taffy wrapper jokes or 99€ greeting cards.

    • That was not within the rules by a long shot. Insulting the writer. If that’s all you have to contribute perhaps you’re on the wrong website.

  • In my opinion, expecting “American Sniper” to be some sort of theatrical epoch-making event isn’t much more clever than expecting “The Interview” to be a controversial film just because it pissed North Korea off.

    I will never expect such a movie to be anything but a work of entertainment conceived for profit — NOT a celebration of Chris Kyle’s person or of his actions.

  • Frank_in_Spokane

    “A good man in service of the wrong cause is still an enemy in war.”

    Pot, meet kettle.

  • Zapp Brannigan

    IMHO, the word ‘hero’ gets used way too casually, so much that it has almost no meaning nowadays. I will admit that I don’t know the whole story about Chris Kyle but if all he did was be a very accomplished sniper, that’s not heroic, at least it should not be considered heroic.

    Sniping is necessary in wartime but is no more or less heroic than what an artilleryman does.

  • Ethan

    Tearing down those who strive to set an example is an American past time.
    I know nothing of Mr. Kyle or his story, but I do know that no one’s reputation can survive the public’s “scrutiny” for very long. As it turns out, most of us suffer from the condition know as Humanity.

  • dan citizen

    How distinguished a military career does a person need before their tall tails may not be administered a reality check?

    Are we to believe that CK was brave enough to face combat, yet frail enough that he couldn’t handle it when someone calls bullshit on story he’s telling? Especially when he trots out the old “killed two thieves, used get out of jail number” story I have been hearing for 25 years.

    This is ignoring the fact that OPSEC seems to be an unfamiliar term. The special forces folks I have had the most respect for are the ones that spoke the least. You want to avoid criticism? Don’t brag, or become a public figure.

  • dannye

    To really do justice to Chris Kyle the movie should depict him as he portrays himself in his own book: as a psychopathic war criminal.

    I guarantee all the Chris Kyle worshipers would cry foul if a Chicom shooter did the exact same things he did as part of a Chinese invasion of the US mainland.

  • dannye

    To really do justice to Chris Kyle the movie should depict him as he portrays himself in his own book: as a psychopathic war criminal.

    I guarantee all the Chris Kyle worshipers would cry foul if a Chicom shooter did the exact same things he did as part of a Chinese invasion of the US mainland.

  • dannye

    Right, the US invaded Iraq to “help”.

    LOL.

  • dannye

    Don’t you dare criticize the Waffen SS, you never had to drop the Zykblon B tablets into a gas chamber.

    Good one, dude.

  • valorius

    I could care less what he said about an ex wrestler turned guvnah.

    Did he say his engagements ever violated the roe for his mission?

  • DiverEngrSL17K

    Hi, William :

    I agree with a lot of what you say, and also definitely not with some aspects of your comments — but I still know how it is. It is really tough, especially for the first few years after.

    Live on, live well, and never let anyone tell you how to be.

  • ChristianC

    The facts are these: Chris Kyle served his country admirably, and later told a lie in a book and got called on it. I still like his books, admire the man, and will watch his movie. Jesse Ventura should win his court case and receive damages for the harm done by Kyle’s lie.

  • wysoft

    Too bad I can’t even see the movie in theaters, because not a single theater in the entire Seattle area appears to be playing it.

    edit: I just saw IMDB release date is Jan 15.. I guess I got thrown off by some people having already seen it.

  • phil box

    are there others out there who think it is not beyond the current administration’s agenda to sabotage anything that would help our veterans and like i believe they are doing in the black neighborhoods to agitate those residents into civil disobedience? don’t the muslims use similar “programs” to get their cannon fodder?

  • Hank Seiter

    Unbelievable the amount of self-righteous angst spewed by many who seem conflicted about killing bad guys on the battlefield. Thank God Americans were made of sterner stuff when it came to killing Japanese and Nazi soldiers who were “legal enemy combatants.” A population which puts up with fanatical fascist crazies in its midst (be they secular socialists, atheist fundamentalists or radical religionists) is anything but “innocent”. Stark raving mad Jihadists are in need of a good killin’ just like the Japanese, Italian and Nazi militants with global aspirations seven decades ago. Too many clueless, low information Americans (and Europeans) are in complete denial about the global aspirations of the Global Islamic Caliphate movement … coming to a neighborhood near you within our lifetimes.

    • dannye

      LOL @ bloviating about the global aspirations of the “caliphate movement” and ignoring the global aspirations of the US government murder machine.

      It’s cute how you actually believe anyone who resists the US invasion is a “bad guy”. Keep drinking that government kool-aid.

  • petru sova

    History has shown the sniper is not regarded in a favorable light even by other soldiers serving with them. In WWI they brought down artillery barrages which resulted in needless deaths. Many times WWI snipers were driven away from various companies by angry solders not wishing to provoke more needless violence from the other side. In Viet-Nam they were regarded as cold blooded killers who rather than being in a fair fight when someone is shooting back at you they hid out of sight shooting people eating, sleeping and even taking a bath or going to the bathroom. One sniper bragged when he shot a pregnant woman that he got two with one shot. I wonder if this new movie about a sniper in the Middle East will show what war is really like on both sides rather than portray the U.S. as the good guys in another ridiculous John Wayne style movie like “The Green Beret’s”. Both the far right and far left rolled in the isles with laughter when seeing that movie.
    The fight in the Middle East did not start out as a war of religion or tribalism but rather a fight by Europe and the U.S. over control of the Middle Eastern Oil fields. It is further complicated by the blunders the French and British made after WWI when they arbitrarily drew up a map of new Middle East Countries. T.E. Lawrence warned almost 100 years ago that ethnic fighting would go on for years. U.S. invasions of the Middle East resulted in these small countries fighting the U.S. with terrorism because they are too small to throw us out of their countries.
    Although Snipers do have their place in war its something a lot of us would rather not think about let alone go to a movie to see a glamorized version of it no closer in reality than the stench of dead bodies that cannot be smelled on the silver screen.
    I would say trying to glamorize all this especially by exonerating a man with less than an honest reputation casts doubts on a lot of things he claimed he did. Even if he had done all he claimed glamorizing the Middle Eastern attempted conquest is about as palatable as glamorizing the U.S. invasion and war in Viet-Nam.

  • Johnny Nightrider

    I can overlook the Jesse Ventura Chris Kyle confrontation that Jesse says didn’t happen.Maybe they had words and Chris said he punched him out to sell more books.Who knows.I have the book American Gun and I would like to see the movie American Sniper.The previews look like it will be a good movie about a real man.

  • Darrell Allen

    I blame Black people.

  • parlayer

    A Hero of mine, RIP Chris. A Salute to you, from Parlayer. keep up your good work where you are.