Review: The New CMMG MK47 Mutant

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AR or AK? That argument has been beaten to death over decades and past attempts to convert AR15s to 7.62×39 have resulted in magazine issues or bolt failures due to the milling of the bolt face. People have tried to bring to market AR lowers that accept AK mags in the past, but they have always seemed to be vaporware or produced by small manufacturers with a very limited capacity to produce.

Well folks, I have good news for you. CMMG, a world class manufacturer has stepped up to the plate to create what they have termed “the Mutant” as it combines what they believe are the best aspects of both rifles. As I am not a salesman or in the employ of CMMG, I will let their own video do the talking here:

We here at TFB were blessed to be the first to test this new rifle, and I was the lucky man who got to perform it!

Some details on the MK47 Mutant:

  • Uses any and all AK47 mags
  • 7.62×39
  • Direct impingement
  • AR15 trigger group
  • AR10 bolt
  • AR15 ergonomics and layout
  • Picatinny rail on top
  • Keymod handguard

As stated above, the Achilles heel of AR15s using 7.62×39 ammunition is the bolt face. The MK47 solves this by using a larger one:

bolt

The gun also looks great and is magnificently machined:

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That is an Eastern Bloc mag in the gun there and it fits flawlessly!

Of course when I got to the range I boresighted the rifle with an ACOG and had to run a few rounds through it, as eager as I am when it comes to these sort of things:

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My friend and cameraman also gave it a go:

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After just a few mags of shooting bottles and pumpkins, we were happy as could be with the shootability of the MK47.

The lack of a bolt catch (made impossible by AK magazines lacking a hold-open provision) spurred my curiosity; Could I perform an AK style tactical reload? Yes. Yes I could:

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The large magazine release paddle is suitable for both lefties and righties and I had no problem locking in magazines with ease.

After our initial hooliganism I set up a target at 100 yards to see what this thing could do accuracy-wise. For the first test I used Brown Bear steel-cased ammunition:

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I expected 2.5 inch groups or so but then this happened… with steel cased cheap ammo…

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I averaged under 2″, which made my photographer and I speechless.

I assumed that some good brass cased ammo would be better for an accuracy test so I brought out some brass cased, boxer primed 7.62×39 (it exists!):

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With this stuff I did very well too, but it was not enough to justify the increased cost of brass vs. steel in my opinion:

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Worst.

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Best.

So this damn thing can shoot, even in my hands with only 4x magnification.

So how reliable is it? Well for this we loaded up seven mags of mixed 7.62×39. We had Tapco mags, Chinese mags, Yugos, Magpuls, and more all topped off with different brands of ammo with different characteristics (soft point, FMJ, HP):

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I turned the gun over to Patrick and got on photo duty. The goal was to run mag after mag through the gun to evaluate reliability, and we did just that:

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Cases hit yours truly.

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Tapco mags? No problem!

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The brake is very effective.

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Surplus mags work like a champ.

The stress and heat of 210 rounds in quick succession did not stop the Mutant, but we did not make friends with the shell deflector:

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All in all though, the gun was neither harmed nor gummed up exceptionally bad after a day of shooting:

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As for my breakdown:

The Good:

  • Accurate. Very accurate.
  • Reliable (we put about 400 rounds total through it with no problems)
  • Familiar ergonomics
  • AR15 accessories accepted
  • Keymod handguard
  • Picatinny rail up top
  • Two Magpul mags supplied
  • Reasonable MSRP of $1,499 (look for a lower street price) for the base model
  • Lifetime Quality Guarantee

The Bad:

  • I wish the rifle had a larger charging handle latch (the heavy buffer spring makes charging the gun a bear)

The Ugly:

  • Nope

As for my final thoughts: I really enjoyed shooting this rifle. In all honestly my love for shooting has diminished a bit lately because it has become more about work and less about pleasure. However, when I get a chance to shoot a gun like this that I really like, I am reminded of how much enjoyment I get out of the sport. If it were not for the holidays approaching and the end of the fiscal year, I would try to buy this rifle and leave it exactly as configured. The MK47 is just a spectacular shooter that I would recommend to any AK guy sitting on tons of 7.62×39, or any AR guy who wants .300 BLK performance without the expensive ammunition. All in all, I think CMMG has done a great job here, and if you have read my past reviews then you know that when it comes to long guns I am not easy to impress.

Thank you for reading.



Alex C.

Alex is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Director of TFBTV.


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  • Aaron E

    Very nice design. CMMG makes some very nice rifles. How does this compare to the Rock River Arms LAR-47?

  • Giolli Joker

    I’m a bit puzzled by the combination of dirty cheap rounds and DI operation… I guess that AK fans are more geared towards piston driven guns by default.
    Apparently as horses and donkeys give mules and hinnys, AR and AK give you MK47 and Faxon ARAK…
    Anyway, it seems to shoot well. And nice review.

    • Joshua

      Never have I had a problem shooting wolf brand ammo through my Colt 6920’s or BCM rifles, why would there be an issue here?

      Tula is a different matter though, but also a much lower quality brand than Wolf.

      • Giolli Joker

        OK.
        I got the feeling that 7.62×39 could be quite dirty… just my assumption.

        • Based on what?

          • Giolli Joker

            Just an assumption based on stuff read online, if it’s wrong, better.
            Although I’d still bet about AK lovers not usually being DI fans. 😉

          • andrey kireev

            Caliber by itself has nothing to do with “dirtyness”… It more has do do with the powder used in the round, as some powders are “dirtier” than the others… the other reson is the action rifle uses and/or tollerances in said rifle.. and finally the material, round casing is made of, softer metals provide better seal in the chamber area.

          • Giolli Joker

            Of course, I didn’t mean that a caliber is intrinsically dirtier. Just that 7.62×39 might be more available than others in dirtier/cheaper versions.

          • andrey kireev

            Heh, wolf produces .223 as well as .308 too now =P

          • Y-man

            Possibly what you read about Eastern bloc surplus? I read the same too… But I was pleasantly surprised to shoot Made in America CLEAN and accurate 7.62×39 on my last trip to the US…

          • LCON

            She’s a Dirty Girl… And I like it!

          • iksnilol

            I don’t like dirty women. I am halal 100% (okay, about 70%).

  • marathag

    DI and AK Mags?

    My dream mix would be the opposite, Gas with AR Mags

    • So… a piston AR?

      I think that has been done before.

      • I agree, that’s boring! 😉 This is much more fun.

      • marathag

        True.

        But other than being cheap, there is not much good in the AK magazine system.

        Just not seeing the draw in the cheap overriding the PITA of that

        • Cymond

          The standard AK magazine is also a constant curve, which only recently developed in AR magazines with the Magpul Pmag. Currently, there are no constant-curve magazines for 7.62×39 that will fit in a standard (straight) AR-15 magazine well.

          In other words, the standard AK mags are not just cheap, they’re also reliable.

          • Zachary marrs

            This was the best pic that i could find

          • marathag

            Mags in themselves are fine, once in.

            By ‘system’ I include ease of mag changes

          • Hk beat magpul to the constant curve AR mag boss.

          • Zachary marrs

            Magpul beat HK to a good magazine

          • iksnilol

            Haven’t had problems with HK mags. Then again I don’t use ARs and other “weakling” stuff.

          • Zachary marrs

            I got 3 steel hk mags new from hk a couple of years ago.

            They ran fine at first, but the springs started to wear out after several hundred rounds

            Also, since they are made of steel, they are quite a bit heavier, and deform stupid easy.

          • “Then again I don’t use ARs and other “weakling” stuff.”
            You. I like you.

          • iksnilol

            What can I do? I am old school despite being very young. The “weakest” of “serious” guns I use is an AK (Soviet made with East-German furniture, would love to know a bit more about it) if we are talking rifles. Though I shoot the most with a Sauer 200 (in .22 LR).

            I mean, fancy stuff like ARs is a bit hard to get access to if we are talking illegal stuff and a good deal of what I use is gray market. So AK, Mauser, etc. is what I use. It works, I can afford it, I hit what I aim at. Can’t complain too much.

          • I am very much the same. I have noticed you are a very dedicated reader (thank you) and you have probably noticed I am a young man who is tickled and enthused by older stuff. Give me a Mauser and a bag full of stripper clips and I am in for a happy day of shooting!
            Out of curiosity, how old are you?

          • iksnilol

            17, becoming 18 next year. Know a lot of veterans from the Bosnian War, thus why I have a bit… unusual knowledge of weapons and unorthodox preferences (like coupled magazines and 7.62x25mm). I am not really a volume shooter, still baffled by you guys going :”I shoot 1000 rounds this weekend”. I make my shots count since I don’t really have a consistent job (mowing lawns and helping out occasionaly at a local pharmacy). That and some of the stuff is “gray” so getting ammo is a bit complicated (in Bosnia).

            I shoot about 30-35 rounds a week. Thought about increasing that by 50 by joining the local pistol club but haven’t got the time and it is a bit expensive for me (club fee) considering I wouldn’t be able to participate every week.

            From what I understand you got a bunch of fun stuff, probably involved in the firearms industry (why else would you write for a firearm blog?). Must admit I envy you a little, but that is probably because my life isn’t at its peak currently. In spite of being depressed about 10 years and everything getting progressively worse… I have hope that things will be better.

            I guess this became a rant, so yeah. That’s me.

          • Zachary marrs

            17? I’d have guessed 20’s-30’s!

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, all the girls say that too in regards to my looks. One guessed that I was 27. Aw yiss, being handsome is awesome.

            So thanks for the compliment I guess. I mean, being more mature than you are supposed to be isn’t an advantage or anything (not being sarcastic) since you can’t really relate to people. So I talk to people on the internet and try to convince myself I am not crazy. A part of me just plays along while the other part knows.

            What about you though? You are somewhere in the 20’s to possibly 40’s? I mean, you haven’t given a lot of subtle and not so subtle info like I have.

          • Zachary marrs

            29, my birthday was on the 22nd of last month

          • iksnilol

            Well, I was close, 29 is sorta between 20’s and 40’s.

          • You live in Norway. What’s to be sad about? Swedish blood courses through my veins and does not lend itself well to the Texas heat and sun, and I would consider going to the motherland if I had a job lined up.

            But I do own a gun business on the side, mostly for extra cash and to help with my job here at TFB. I am 26 but I do have a day job on top of this gig.
            I am impressed with your knowledge base for your age. I was a hot headed street punk at 17 and by the grace of God or some unknown force I am, well, alive for one and somehow got a degree from a respectable Uni.
            Not to preach or turn this into The Feels Blog, but life it what you make it. The world has a lot to offer and you can only blame yourself for not taking advantage of everything you can.

          • noob

            Feels. Not politics.

          • iksnilol

            That last part is what scares me. Everybody talks about what they want to do, “I am going to study this and that and then work with that” and so on. I, don’t really have a dream in life. I am only good with firearms but that is almost a taboo where I am and i can’t really make a career out of it.

            Depression isn’t really being sad, it is simply being… empty. Problem is that is what I am used to, I was being bullied pretty much my whole life. And when I stood up to myself I experienced my own family turning against me. So,

          • Have you considered a career in the Armed Forces?

          • iksnilol

            No, not really. Sorta don’t want to kill for money. I might be emotionally stumped but I got some morals left. Only killing I will do is to keep myself and my friends alive, and I don’t go to places where I might get killed (like thousands of kilometers to a foreign country to fight for somebody I don’t believe in or like that much).

            Here in Norway there is conscription, but I probably won’t make the cut. Since I have really bad cardio, decently bad eyes (-4 in each eye) and my knees are bad. Though I can walk a long distance.

            Like I said, I am good with a rifle. Being a soldier/marine/whatever is a lot more than shooting. It is also about teamwork, keeping eachother alive , taking orders and so on.

          • If you come to the land of opportunity you will always have a place here in Texas!

          • iksnilol

            I guess so. I might, I got my whole life ahead of me. Plenty of time to think, besides, I have one more year (or two) to decide on college and whatnot. Besides, I might get out of my depression. I am doing better than a year or two ago.

            Thanks for caring enough to listen a bit. Nice to know people still care, even if it is total strangers.

          • Adam aka eddie d.

            Well, I never expected to be discussing things like this in the comments under a CMMG gun review 🙂 , but what the heck…

            I for one would be a VERY happy camper if the US had a place for me (especially Texas), but… well, the hard facts are,
            it’s pretty dang hard to settle in the US, guys.

            I’m the same age as you Alex, I’m from a European country (EU member), have a degree in Oriental studies and was awarded by a serious Chinese scholarship while still back in college.
            My dream is to work with firearms, and/or become a f.arms industry writer. In my home, this is virtually impossible.

            If someone told me I can study gunsmithing and firearms engineering in the US, my pack would be ready by the night.

            I’ve checked courses and prices in the US, I’d work that out somehow.

            Good old fashioned hard work for your goal is fine with me.

            But requesting permission for settling down in the US is virtually impossible. ESPECIALLY if you dare utter the word “firearm” in your interviews.

            Basically, if you’re not from the UK, Sweden, Canada etc. it’s a mother to get a green card, even if you’re talented, have a vision and want to do something that is entwined with US history.

          • Funny. I would give up everything I own and have if I could move to Tasmania. My time there was the happiest of my life.

          • I’ve got a history of depression. I don’t think our cases are so comparable, but I can give a little advice:

            1. It’s healthier to consider yourself “unhappy” versus “depressed”. I think there’s a tendency to feel as though depression is a disease like cancer. It certainly is a disease, but it’s not like cancer. If you’re depressed, even if you’re depressed because of psychological factors beyond your control, you need all the help you can get, and being “unhappy” instead of depressed allows you to have more power over the decisions you make and their consequences. Making better decisions that will make you happier helps a lot.

            2. If you have insecurities about your body, you have to get on the same team as yourself before you can improve yourself. Most people find this natural, but unhappy people don’t. You have to find and emphasize those things about yourself that you really like, and focus on them when attempting to improve yourself physically.

            3. Find yourself company. Unhappiness and depression is often caused by loneliness. Get a good group of friends and a steady girlfriend, and depression will ease. One thing I’ve noticed about depressed people is that they tend to make drama for themselves, which leads to them having less steady relationships. Find a woman (or guy, if you swing that way) who will be patient with this, but also remember point number 1: Make decisions that will make you happier. That takes practice, but it’s a lot better to make a decision to not have a fight than to let one happen. Likewise, make decisions to go out into social situations more often.

            4. Realize that you’re impatient and that you expect too much. Depressed people are, pretty often, impatient. They want things now, and when they try to make things happen, they get discouraged quickly. It’s not that they’re lazy, it’s that they have unrealistic expectations about the amount of time it takes to accomplish things like cultivating good habits, making good decisions, and especially having those good decisions pay off. You’re 17 and depressed. Think about what sort of areas you feel you’re coming up short in. Are those reasonable things to be concerned about given your age? Do you feel like you’re having a mid life crisis in your teens? Then you might need to cultivate more patience, so that you can wait for good decisions and hard work to pay off, and so that you can apply effort more steadily over a longer period of time to achieve results.

            5. Learn to avoid and beat “death spirals”. My variety of depression came with quickly-accelerating thoughts of despair. I had to learn to preempt and beat these trains of thought. I suspect everyone’s different in this way, but one of the most helpful techniques I developed for dealing with this was to deliberately “space out” whenever I felt one of these trains of thought coming on.

            6. Keep yourself healthy. Make sure to get enough sleep at night, try to get to bed at a reasonable hour (never “give up” – “oh, it’s already four in the morning, my sleep schedule is already shot anyway, might as well stay up until sunrise” – that’s bad), try to stay hydrated, and make sure to eat 2-3 balanced meals every day. Take vitamins and get checkups. The healthier you keep yourself, the more you can focus on climbing out of depression.

          • If Paul ever gives me the authority to do April Fools’ jokes, I am changing the name of TFB to “The Feels Blog” and all of our headliner articles will be about sappy touchy feely stuff related to guns.

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            Iksnilol, I think you’ve done a pretty nice job so far. it doesn’t matter whether you’re a 17 year-old teenager or an 80-year old hard-core military professional with multiple war campaigns under his belt — what is most important is keeping an open mind and a willingness to listen, discern, constructively criticize, learn and contribute accordingly. all of which I think you have done quite well, and which I think is worthy of much respect. I often agree with many of your observations, but also don’t always concur with everything you have to say ; however, isn’t the purpose of being here on TFB ( and other such web sites ) one of learning and sharing so that we all benefit from the knowledge pool?

            Anyway, I will say this to you, and to one and all : Keep it coming, and don’t hesitate to openly discuss your differences in opinion — as long as you can back them up with reasonably sound evidence and are civil and mutually respectful in your discourse.

          • billyoblivion

            Lessee, you mow lawns and work in a pharmacy, so you’re hard working and entrepreneurially oriented.

            You like guns.

            Come to America, We Love You!

          • iksnilol

            Being a cratestacker and tagchanger isn’t really being entreprenutical or however you are supposed to spell it.

            Though I got more going for me than I thought. Maybe there is hope afterall?

          • FWIW, isknilol, I basically wrote an article on my own blog that Steve liked and he hired me. Then whatever he asked me to write I wrote to the best of my ability and on time. I have no special connections, nor do I own a ton of guns. Alex, on the other hand…

          • iksnilol

            You have your own blog?

            Also, yeah, Alex has a lot of guns. *sees 30-40 assault rifles from around the world getting prepared for photographing* “Oh, I didn’t bother bringing out the whole collection. It would be too much work.”

            Regarding articles, don’t you have to be sorta on location? I mean, you need to have contact with the people involved or something?

          • Yes; here’s the link.

            Depends on the article. To do a shooting review, you need to be near an FFL (those are common in the US) so that you can receive guns for testing. And if you want see a manufacturer, obviously you may need to take a road trip. The vast majority of articles though I write right here in Shreveport.

          • Ill take an HK maritime mag over plastic bullshit any day.
            Came across a stash of old ban era HK mags (marked LEO only 1994 AWB, etc) and they are the best AR mags I have.

          • Zachary marrs

            Lol ok

          • The original AR-15 30 round magazines had a constant curvature. However, there was a problem with the tolerance stacking between these magazines and some of the rifles’ receivers. Instead of hunting down and replacing all the incompatible receivers in service, they switched to the now familiar compound curve magazines, which work pretty well, all things considered.

            Here’s a pic: http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/flatdarkmars/US%20and%20OPFOR%20rifles/popmec607.jpg~original

        • 7.62×39 AR mags are very, very temperamental due to the bizarre shape required by the AR magwell.

          • Zachary marrs

            To help illustrate your point;

            I don’t know what you are taking about, that looks reliable as hell

        • DiverEngrSL17K

          While I can understand your point of view, I have to agree with Cymond. Besides, standard Mil-Spec AK magazines ( as well as many excellent — and not necessarily expensive — after-market versions such as TAPCO’s ribbed polymer AK magazines ) have long since been proven, ad infinitum, to be thoroughly reliable under the worst possible battlefield and field conditions, which speaks volumes for the correctness of the basic design.

    • Zachary marrs

      You do realize that di is gas operated right?

      • marathag

        Gas DI isn’t the same as Gas Piston.

        but you knew that.

        • Zachary marrs

          “Di” ar’s already have a piston.

          Hint, its the bcg

          • I think by definition, any repeating or automatic firearm that isn’t externally powered has a piston.

          • Kivaari

            HK G3, or are you counting the cartridge case?

          • Counting the cartridge case/bolt face. It’s a “piston” technically.

    • iksnilol

      You can get an AK in 5.56, 6.5 or 300 BLK and convert it to use AR mags.

      • marathag

        Arsenal selling the 106 again?

        • iksnilol

          Don’t know.but you can still get a 5.56 bolt and barrel and make your own.

          • jcitizen

            But at what kind of accuracy?

          • iksnilol

            I dunno, depends on how good components you make and/or use.

  • I am super disappointed that this came with a brake. I got all excited that I was gonna get to ask you how the recoil compared to your Yugo AK, Alex. Welp, there goes that data point. 🙂

  • BattleshipGrey

    Great write up. The lower is kind of ugly compared to the LAR47’s, but not so ugly I’d call it a deal breaker. I think the LAR47’s lower looks nice but the rest of it doesn’t, whereas the MK47 has a better appearance overall.

    Looks aside, thanks for taking it through it’s paces and trying all the different types of mags and ammo.

  • Seburo

    Now why would anybody would want to do that to a perfectly good gun? By which i mean the AK 😉

  • USMC03Vet

    Dear Santa

    I’ve been a good boy this year…

    • billyoblivion

      I haven’t.

      But at least I’ll be able to burn the coal to stay warm.

  • The experimental DI Garand was designated the M1E12.

  • Beju

    Since suppressors and non-C&R SBRs are pretty much verboten here in IL, this has a lot more appeal to me than .300 BLK.

  • Y-man

    Good review as always Alex C. Good one. So: no forward assist needed for this? And is that a free-floating barrel? How modular is this?

    “I can only have drooling fantasies…”

    LOL!

    • Zachary marrs

      The forward assist isn’t really needed in the normal ar, its just a nicety

      • iksnilol

        It’s nice to have on rifles with non-reciprocating charging handles. I mean what are you supposed to do if the bolt doesn’t go in all the way?

        • Zachary marrs

          Thats why they are a nicety, they aren’t needed to operate the rifle

          The ar bolt has a scallop, ive seen guys use their thumbs and knives to close the bolt if its not in battery

        • -V-

          Rack the charging handle and kick out the cartridge. If you hammer that forward assist, the chance of you making the jam significantly worse is a lot higher then your chance of fixing the issue.

          • billyoblivion

            The forward assist is used primarily to overcome fouling when there’s no time to clean, not to “fix” a jam. IIRC the FA won’t really engage until the bolt is *mostly* home, but it’s been 6 years since I’ve handed an M16, so ICBW.

        • The spring on this gun is so heavy that I assure you that will not be a problem, lol.
          But if it happened, you know the drill: Remove mag, rack, check chamber, insert mag, pull handle and release. If this fails, you have mag or gun issues. I feel confident I could shoot 1,000 rounds through this with no problems without a cleaning. Say, CMMG…. can a homie hold onto this for you for extended testing 🙂

          • iksnilol

            Makes sense I guess.

            Regarding the second part: That’s no fair, you get to both test the STG-44 and a bunch of other exotic guns. Let somebody else try this one. Not me though, since I am in Norway and the US doesn’t like exporting guns and stuff related to guns.

        • Here is the procedure, iks:

          1. Push bolt carrier forward with thumb using the cutout

          2. If that doesn’t work, rack the bolt again (you can save the ejected round if you do this right).

          3. If that doesn’t work, brush out the chamber.

          4. If that doesn’t work, take the gun to an armorer.

          The reality of selfloading guns is that their troubleshooting procedures are going to be different than that of a bolt action rifle. With a bolt action rifle like a Mauser, the correct response to this problem may be to try and slam the bolt home. The Mauser is equipped with cams that can break open a stuck cartridge, and it is not trying to extract a cartridge while it is under pressure anyway. Further, it is designed to gracefully handle a case breach. With an AR-15 or any other selfloading weapon, the cartridge is under pressure during extraction, meaning that you can total a rifle by trying to jam home ammunition that doesn’t want to go. If the rim of the cartridge is ripped off during extraction, you are SOL until you can get a cleaning rod, or possibly even an armorer. If you have a case breach, it will probably result in a partial or complete case head separation, which will ruin your day completely.

          For a bolt action rifle, slamming cartridges home against resistance is an acceptable way to put the gun back in operation. For a selfloading rifle, it’s not. That’s a good way to put the gun out of commission entirely.

          Just move on to the next round, instead of trying to gorilla home a cartridge that doesn’t want to go in.

      • Squirreltakular

        I would argue that on a weapon without a reciprocating bolt handle that is going to be used in combat, a forward assist is absolutely a necessity. Since this looks like it was designed to pretty much just be a range toy though, I’ll agree.

        • nadnerbus

          Eugene Stoner disagreed, but the Army overruled him. The SR 25 doesn’t have one, nor do most .308 ARs I have seen.

          If the bolt doesn’t close on its own, and you can’t push the bolt closed with your thumb in the dish on the side of the carrier, it probably should not be forced any more. Clear the weapon, check the chamber, and try a new mag.

          • Squirreltakular

            I definitely see your point, but it seems like cheap insurance, and it’s easy to build into your manual of arms. Even if you only use it after doing a brass check, it seems worth it. Thankfully, my M&P 10 has one.

    • Oh yes, free floating and very modular. This really is a well made gun. CMMG did a great job here.

  • sianmink

    Does it use a standard AR charging handle? If so that’s at least an easily fixed issue, though it would be nice if considering the strong spring, they offered a big handle of some sort by default.

  • Ratcraft

    I LIKE!

  • iksnilol

    Looks nice though I would be more interested in a free floated handguard for the AK. Just a personal thing but I never liked AR controls.

  • Mack

    I see a lot of potential for a AR10 bolt in a AR15, makes plenty of wildcats more feasible and run a heck of lot faster and safer! Cheaper version of the six 8?

    • JSmath

      It’s not really an AR10 bolt in an AR15 since the the receiver is proprietary and sure as heck not AR15 proportions. 😉

      • Mack

        I meant takes AR15 accessories, like the hand gaurd. If you could have a AR 15 that was similar in length to Mil Spec but took a Shortened AR10 Bolt, and used Standard AR15 hand gaurds. It would be a winner in my book.

  • Andrew Hobby

    finally! A rifle with the accuracy of the AK and the maintenance requirements of an AR.

    HALLELUJAH.

    • You didn’t see the groups he shot did ya:-)

      • iksnilol

        The groups are good, but I hate the whole sharp jaggedy corners inside of ARs. + it’s not like I am gonna use sometihng in 7.62×39 past 500 meters. So 2-3 MOA works fine for me.

        Note: That is just my opinion because that works for me.

    • Joshua

      Maintenance requirements of the AR? I guess a 3 minute wipe down counts, but certainly not intensive as you implied.

    • I thought 1.06 MOA with factory ammo and 4x magnification was pretty good.

    • Why would it have the accuracy of an AK? What’s wrong with a maintenance requirement of “squirt CLP through the ejection port every 1500 rounds”?

  • Shannon Baker

    Wouldn’t steel AK mags chew up the aluminum lower receiver over time? Didn’t the SIG 556 have an issue with this?

    • Squirreltakular

      This is what no one is talking about, apparently. Just that alone is a no-go for me and (most likely) anyone who is going to run this gun hard. It’s a little unreasonable to be forced to run polymer magazines, especially when the steel ones are way, way more common.

  • ColaBox

    If your concerned about AR mag reliability, stay away from the Magpuls then.

  • Sergio in NC

    The Ugly: $1600+

  • ColaBox

    I feel like if .300BLK was more abundant this rifle would have no reason to exist.

    • 7.62×39 is more powerful and cheaper 🙂

      • iksnilol

        Tell me about it. I mean, the only good thing about 300 BLK is that it uses NATO components and that it has gotten people to make more recipes which one can then use in 7.62x39mm.

      • Ideal combination: .300 BLK boolitz in a 7.62×39 case.

        Idealer combination: 5.56×45 ;P

        • I love me some suppressed 300 blk. Lots o’ pork to be had that way. With subsonic 5.56 you might as well be using .22lr, lol.
          I am not a 300blk guy but I do get it for the suppressor crazy guys.

          • iksnilol

            But you can also use those recipes for 300 BLK in 7.62×39. If you don’t like the AK just use a VZ58.

          • Pffft, that’s crazy talk Alex, centerfire priming is WAY more reliable than rimfire priming.

            Oh, you mean might as well have a .22 LR ballistically speaking.

  • Joshua

    Di AK is impossible since the ejector is built into the receiver, removing any possibility for an internal expansions chamber.

  • Joshua

    Due to the straight part of the magazine that goes into the mag well. This is negated with polymer magazines like Pmags and Lancers that have a constant internal curve suited to the 5.56 case taper.

  • Dont forget the LAR-47’s dopey mag release. The Mutant’s big-ass paddle is awesome.

    • noob

      How much material did they have to add around the Mutant’s magwell to compensate for cutting it back so high? it looks like the front pins of the lower are on a bit of metal barely wider than they are, so I assume that the metal must be thick.

      • jcitizen

        My guess, knowing what I know about strength of materials in engineering, is that it shouldn’t affect it at all. The only advantage to a traditional well, and it is a small one, is the small edge in frame stiffening the well gives the lower receiver.

    • Kivaari

      I wonder how easy it is to snag the latch. A few rifles I used over the years had magazine releases that were getting hit. Like the AR180. I dropped quite a few mags simply by having the rifle slung across my chest.

  • Review incoming 🙂

  • iksnilol

    No, but one guy did make a steel frame Glock and there are polymer framed 1911s. So you have trolling opportunities there.

  • USGIs are a lot more reliable than people give them credit for. They’re not as tough as AK mags, sure, nor are they a match for the Best Magazine Ever Devised, the Vz. 58 mag, but they’re hardly garbage.

  • Pistons are not by themselves devices capable of fixing flaws in a design.

    The AK works well because it was well-designed and well-made.

  • That’s unfortunate. I’ve got close to 7,000 rounds of steel cased through my AR without anything like that happening.

    Maybe it’s a chamber spec issue, not an ammunition case issue?

  • There was an enormous missed opportunity, here. They could have designed this rifle to use Vz. 58 magazines, then they would have had cheap, durable, lightweight surplus aluminum magazines (with no modifications needed; the rifle isn’t subject to 922r!) with a last round bolt hold open!

    (Mostly kidding, but one can dream!)

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      Great idea, except that even surplus vz.58 Mil-Spec magazines aren’t exactly cheap anymore, although hardly scarce ( in spite of what some people say ). As a vz.58 owner, I’ve watched the price index for these magazines fluctuate over the years, but the general trend has always been upwards, at least in this country ( the U.S.). A good part of the issue appears to be a distinct lack of reputable after-market magazine manufacturers ( such as TAPCO or Magpul ) who are willing to get into the production of vz.58 replacement magazines, probably because they have done their homework and figured that, at least statistically, the price of creating and producing such a magazine is not quite worth the return ( in terms of volume-based profitability ). Frankly, I hope that I am wrong on this count, and that they have only simply overlooked this particular market niche — until now.

  • Dr. Daniel Jackson

    I would rather have a SIG 556 Russian or just a regular AK, I don’t really trust direct impingement.

    • I don’t really trust Exeter Sigs.

      • Dr. Daniel Jackson

        I hope you have a good reason,the reason I don’t trust direct impingement or AR15’s is because I’ve almost been killed in the line of duty from m4 I was issued jambing at the most inconvenient times,DI is only acceptable for civilian rifles imo,it is a very poor system for a combat rifle,especially in a AR15/M16/M4.

        • Sure do. I bought a new Sig 556 and it has wandering POI, crumby accuracy, and bad reliability. Also, you know, the 556r fiasco when they came out. The Exeter guns are nothing compared to their Swiss cousins.

          • Really, really glad I bought my Colt instead.

        • Chase Buchanan

          Did that inform Stargate Command’s decision to field the blowback-operated P90, Dr. Jackson?

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            Had I been the armorer for the TV show I would have had them use Steyer Augs,Famas’s,or FN2000’s,the only thing going for the P90 is the capacity,50 rounds goes by pretty quick though at 1000 rounds per minute.

          • noob

            well in the show, the teams were supposed to be light years away from resupply. maybe being able to physically carry more lighter bullets might have been considered as part of the equation for a special operations team in that situation.

            although the real-life A-teams don’t seem to use any weapons they can’t source locally in any of the pictures I’ve seen. I kinda wondered why the show didn’t use that model – get the teams to dress local and work with the locals instead of showing up out of a stargate wearing tactical nylon frequently in the wrong camo for the planet they were visiting. it would be more in line with the image of a green beret with a tactical beard standing next to an afghan commander on a hill both toting aks.

            unless it was some kind of political allegory that was lost on me.

          • Kivaari

            I never thought this would lead to comments regarding a TV series. I think most special operators don’t worry about local sourcing of ammo. SEAL teams carry such odd balls as the HK .17 caliber PDW. Unless they are invading an ammo company that makes that tiny round, I doubt local sourcing is a concern. Unless you are thinking of Vietnam era SOG folks I don’t think local sourcing is considered. Most of the people I knew at the time carried 5.56mm rifles. Almost every other weapon choices seemed to be with fun in mind.
            In the Falklands the SAS-types carried mostly M16A1 rifles, even though the invading Argentinians carried 7.62mm LAR rifles. The main goal was to observe and avoid contact. If you make contact and are running out of ammo, then strip the dead enemy

          • billyoblivion

            SEALS operate different than Army SOF. Google “SOF Horse Soldiers”. If you’re riding a horse into your AO you’re (a) not in and out and (b) you are worried about re-supply.

          • Kivaari

            When I was in Phan Thiet, at Camp Chesty Puller (famed as being the smallest USMC camp in the world) for a visit with Naval Gunfire Support Team 1 USMC, all those guys carried M16A1. At a nearby SEAL house (a little white house on the beach with barbed wire low enough to be stepped over) those guys had trophies of captured guns. They carried whatever they wanted.
            From memory only, and it is deteriorating with age, I believe the operators in that first injection with the Northern Alliance were using M4-type carbines. I’ll do some more research.

          • Kivaari

            I just did a search for the operators that went in on horse back to assist the Northern Alliance. Most of them had M4 carbines.

          • Kivaari

            Look at the images, enter “US forces Afghanistan Northern Alliance”. M4 carbines. Pop off the screen. They our forces had to wear a prominent item of clothing, like the digital camo with the USMC imprint. Otherwise they could be summarily executed as spies. The Afghans didn’t need an excuse, but it was policy. Grow a beard, were items of issue clothing except for coat and head gear. If you can insert troops into a place like Afghanistan, you can resupply them M4s, some fitted with an M230 was popular. The AK maybe common, but they certainly don’t give you an advantage in the accuracy department. I’ve had around 25 AK variants. over 40 years. Some were nice and most were OK. Except for the Norinco .223, they worked. Same for the SKS. None performed like an AR15/M16A1.
            If you want to hit at 200m plus, you need good vision.

        • Kivaari

          I don’t get the distrust of the DI as used in many rifles. With millions of them in service world wide there are really not many failures to function. The only time I saw M16A1 or AR15 civilian rifles fail was directly due to crappy ammo. With 50 years of use behind the M16 all I have seen is they simply work. Every stoppage was ammo or worn gas rings and failure to maintain.

        • The French and Swedes both disagree.

          • Kivaari

            In years past I just had to have one or more of all the commercially available rifles. After all those years of using HK, Galil, Valmet, Colt, Armalite, Styer AUG, Australian, Egyptian, Russian and FN rifles, the most impressive remained the Colts and the better AR15s from Bushmaster. None of the other rifles shot as well, most never getting the gun magazine accuracy, like a 1 moa HK91. I never found one that would do that. One rifle stood out, the AR180 that did 1 moa with a clean bore. Nor did I find the SSG69 that worked well, nor get a 1 moa group. We called the SSG69 a crew served weapon, since it took two people to make the bolt function. A SSG69 that gave 3.5 moa could be outdone by a Remington M788 in .30-30 (giving nice 1 moa groups). Overblown hype from gun magazine writers. Same for the “combat shotguns” like the HK M121 M1. I bought two from the factory rep. Neither one functioned well. Leroy Thompson fired 65 rounds and declared it the best shotgun ever. I had had more malfunctions than he fired. Finally the factory rep told me the truth, they just did not work. There are many rifles out there that are not worth the $2000-4000 they cost. A $1000 Colt or Bushmaster (Windam) outperformed just about any other rifle I used. I remember when they were $125 for an SP1.

          • iksnilol

            Okay, how did you guys manage to screw up a SSG69? I mean, it is a German made bolt-action. How hard can it be?

          • Kivaari

            The SSG69 is Austrian, not German. The SSG69 uses a press fit barrel (no threads). The rear locking lugs allow bolt compression upon firing. With bolt compression the fired case can exert so much force that it can not be fired fast from your position. We called them “crew served weapons”. One man to hold the rifle and second man to open the bolt. Accuracy was abysmal. When I can fire a 3.5 inch group from rest, using a good scope, that is poor performance. Sharp Shooters Rifle 69. I read numerous magazine articles about the 69, prior to buying one. It was proclaimed to be the best sniper rifle in service. Like the HK M91, was supposed to deliver 1 MOA groups. My three M91s would do 3.5 to 4.5 groups with a scope or with the iron sights. When I can shoot an iron sight group that equals the scoped performance, I know it isn’t me nor the ammo.
            I knew three other SSG69 owners, that had the same complaints. If you look at the newer models, since 1980, most have a large and longer bolt handle. I call them gear shift knobs. They were added to increase the leverage, missing on the earlier models. In circa 1980 era the SSG69 was crudely made. At the time the rings for the SSG69 were available in 26mm, when a 25.4mm ring was needed to hold the typical 1″ American scope.
            The crazy thing was the Remington M788 is rear locking. And it showed why that system, at that time in history, had a reputation of breaking off the bolt handle. Firing rounds with much lower pressure than the 7.62mm NATO round, still caused bolt compression, and the guns were hard to open. Literally, between 1970 and 2002 I saw more broken M788 rifles than all other rifles models combined. The answer to the problem is do not make rear locking actions.

          • iksnilol

            Quite funny that I always mix up Austria and Germany in spite of going through both countries yearly.

            I was just confused, since there are some SSG69 owners in Norway and they didn’t complain about anything. Quite contrary, they usually praise it. Though it does change owners since newbies occasionally buy one for hunting and then find it too heavy for stalking and whatnot.

        • Nunya Bidness

          AMEN! My best friend served and had the same issue – he told me SKS or AK over an AR any day of the week.

  • Josh

    I kind of like it. In some strange farcical kind of way.

  • patrickiv

    It looks like the only part of the design taken from the AK is the magwell and magazine catch. I like the ambidextrous magazine catch. But you still don’t have the best parts of the AK: a folding stock option, charging handle away from the face, and long stroke piston (clean operation). With the 7.62×39 round, sometimes corrosive, wouldn’t this get even dirtier than an AR-15? Also, without a bolt catch, there’s no way to reload from empty without breaking cheek weld. An AR or an AK can do that. IMO they really should have based this around the AR-180 instead of the AR-15.

    • Based it around a rifle with no aftermarket or industry support? Brilliant!

      • iksnilol

        Pfft, mainstream gats aren’t good. I will stick with my Korobov TKB-022…. When I can get one that is.

        But yeah, they got the worst controls of the AR IMO.

  • Zachary marrs

    Yes. I am joking.

  • Wolfgar

    Put this in a 6.5 Grendel and you have a winner. Nice concept.

    • noob

      hey, why has nobody just pressed the barrel out of an ak-47 trunion and swapped it over to be a true AKM chambered in 6.5 grendel?

      what’s not to love?

      we make all american AKs right?

  • He’s joking—

  • I have one AR that has case sticking issues when used with steel cased ammo. It’s a tight chamber. As long as it’s kept lubed it’s ok. The rest of the AR’s haven’t had an issue with steel. I shoot mostly brass cased since I reload.

  • TangledThorns

    DI is for poor people.

    • Was this a Freudian admission that piston AR-15s are for people with too much money? ;P

    • Zachary marrs

      The term “DI” is for people who don’t know the first thing about ar’s

  • Street price will likely stabilize at between $1200 and $1300. No way can you buy more than one AR of equal quality to this rifle.

  • The Real Teal’c

    Neato!

  • ozzallos .

    And it only took an MSRP of $1,649.95 to achieve this dream rifle.

  • iksnilol

    Or I could buy an AR and an AK. Then rig up the gas systems to fire sequentially or whatevs. Would be a true mutant then.

    • jcitizen

      I’ve thought of mounting an AK pistol under the barrel of an AR – I’ve seen similar rigs – probably not practical, but fun to play with.

      • iksnilol

        Has someone done that? I need to find some pictures.

  • noob

    a liger is pretty much my favorite animal

    • Zachary marrs

      Grolar bears> ligers> zonkeys

  • Scouse

    Hence, my AUG! The mags are awesome, you can see the rounds in them. The AR charging system? As apposed to reaching forward, AK or AUG? I consider my AK as a bit more than pistol accuracy, with a whacking great bullet!

    My AUG, original 1.5 power Scope, a back pack gun, barrel on, rack and go. Hollow point ammo, works good. Need HP to make the 5.56 viable. AR Charging handle, level with your ear? Hello!.

  • Max Glazer

    When I was serving, the malfunctions were cleared by always locking the bolt open, removing mag, shaking the weapon, checking the chamber for clear, then reloading and keeping firing. I’d be clearing my stoppages differently to the way MAC does. Having said that I learnt in ADF and not in US armed forces. The mags don’t seem to be working too well either.

  • 308 HOLES

    I think they really blew it by not making this a piston system. That’s one of the biggest debates between the AR and AK

    • Naw, if you want to make your rifle front-heavy for no reason, you can just buy one of those picatinny rail compatible lead weight molds.

  • audisqus

    I’m not bashing anyone who wants this rifle or likes the AR-15 inner-workings, but… why would I want a rifle that uses the AK round and magazines but uses the AR-15’s gas system and BCG and charging handle etc?

    It seems like it’s taking the exact wrong parts from each rifle. Now you get a rifle with the generally inferior AK round and banana mags, with the AR-15’s dirtier gas system and the smaller parts and less forgiving tolerances of the AR-15 BCG (and the AR-15’s awkward charging handle, although at least you don’t have to use it often).

    It just seems like the opposite of what I would want if I were combining those two weapons.

    • Hey man, maybe they just want a smooth-shooting gun that works well that they can put optics on!

      • audisqus

        So then why not get a normal AR-15, or any other rifle? Even if someone prefers the AK, they can still put optics on that too. This obviously isn’t a gun just made to use optics.

        • The question of “why not get a normal AR-15” is a good one. I can think of one reason to like 7.62×39 over 5.56: It’s legal for hunting in 50 states. That’s about it.

  • Craig Patrick-Scott Montague

    It seems to me we are forgetting the Colt AR15!in 7.62×39 made in the Late 80s/early 90s with the AR10 bolt faces… They did use a Magazine that was the AR10 type with the AK stamp mag welded to it, but as far as feeding issues I haven’t encountered one while shooting it… Only thing it doesn’t have is the AK mag release as the upper portion of the Mag is an AR type…

    Doesn’t look to be a bad little weapon, though I’d prefer the Bolt Catch over the Mag Release, and trust Colt over CMMG Though I do find CMMG to be a decent Manufacture I am not impressed with a lot of their components (such as lighter pull triggers that wind up having way more pull than advertised, ect).

    Otherwise great write up, I’m sure with non-commercial reloads those groups would tighten up like no other!

  • Craig Patrick-Scott Montague

    It seems to me we are forgetting the Colt AR15 in 7.62×39 made in the Late 80s/early 90s with the AR10 bolt faces… They did use a Magazine that was the AR10 type with the AK stamp mag welded to it, but as far as feeding issues I haven’t encountered one while shooting it… Only thing it doesn’t have is the AK mag release as the upper portion of the Mag is an AR type…

    Doesn’t look to be a bad little weapon, though I’d prefer the Bolt Catch over the Mag Release, and trust Colt over CMMG.
    Though I do find CMMG to be a decent Manufacture I am not impressed with a lot of their components (such as lighter pull triggers that have way more weight than advertised, ect).

    Otherwise great write up, I’m sure with non-commercial reloads those groups would tighten up like no other!

  • all_logic

    I just emailed CMMG, unfortunately, the charging handle is proprietary. We are stuck with the current less than optimal, non ambi charging handle.

  • PartizanHacksHateFacts

    And like always….toooooo much money (AR-15 cool “tax”)

    As a lefty, the AK platform seems more natural

    As a defensive weapon that would only see action at less than 100 yards, there are good AK’s that can be had for half the cost of this

    Nice effort though

    • That would be the “not total garbage” tax, actually.

      • PartizanHacksHateFacts

        If you’re implying that the AK is “total garbage” you need to put the AR-Aide down

        • …No? I was saying that well-made rifles cost more.

          AKs are great guns; I love them.

          EDIT: Ah, actually I could see why you’d think I was saying that. No I wasn’t; sorry though that it was ambiguously worded.

  • David Sharpe

    They should have called it the M4T7. It’s a better name IMHO than MK47.

  • billyoblivion

    I’m hoping a well made AK style .223.

    • Kivaari

      You must remember the pain felt by those that bought the Norinco rifles. Pure junk. Find an early Galil or Velmet M76. Both were very finely made. The folding stock on the Galil is fine, the Valmet not so fine. I’ve seen a few of the American made Galils, they were poorly finished. Maybe the newer variant made with all new parts is fine, I have not bothered to look at them lately (being put off by the ugly ones).

    • Max Glazer

      Had it not been for those retarded sanctions, an IzhMash-made Saiga in .223 should be of good quality.

  • Matt Shermer

    Before I go shooting of my mouth, is CCMG the first company to use a full size .308 bolt on an AK/AR hybrid for sake of reliability?

  • In my case, they tend to get worn out and split along the spine. It’s not a big deal in my opinion, though. They still work when that happens; just throw ’em out and get new ones. They’re my range mags; I use Lancers for “business”.

    The Magpul 20 round PMags are possibly the best magazine on the market, though.

  • I used to own an AR-180B with an ACE folding stock and that picatinny rail. All together, it weighed about 30 pounds (felt like it anyway). Those rails themselves are at least a pound, and it’s all up front.

    Most fans of the AR-18 have never shot, or even handled one. It’s not a great design and they’re definitely not great rifles.

    • patrickiv

      Thanks for the insight. I’ve only ever handled one and it was with the regular handguard.

      Why not design it around the ACR instead? An ACR/AK combo would give you the best of both worlds.

      • noob

        didn’t some third parties make an ACR 7.62x39mm kit that used AR 7.62×39 mags? or were you after a ak magwell?

      • Why not design it around an AR-15? Half a century of experience making those work.

        I’m going to be straight with you: 95% or more of the bad press the M4 and AR-15 receives is due to companies and people trying to sell you something, whether that’s (dead tree) magazines, rifles, ammunition, (gun part) magazines, what-have-you.

        The ACR is a neat design, I guess, but it’s heavy and inefficient, and I don’t see what’s so great about it versus an AR.

        • Kivaari

          The bad press the AR gets for the most part is simply wrong.

        • patrickiv

          The ACR has a folding stock and a side charging handle, two advantages that it shares with the AK. Are you sure you’re not trying to sell me something?

          • The vast majority of AKs do not have folding stocks, despite accommodating that design feature readily.

            More features does not mean better. The ACR is heavier and made by a single manufacturer (who has been known to have QC issues before with that rifle).

            As for what I have to sell you; nothing. The only person I sell to is my boss, and he wants me to write informative and interesting articles. I get paid by him – not you – and my pay is independent of the revenue this site generates through ads.

          • patrickiv

            I think you’re missing the point of my original comment.

          • Humor me.

    • Kivaari

      I had two AR180s in the late 60s early 70s. I liked them and mine were quite accurate. Using Herter’s Swedish ammo they shot close to MOA. I did not like the magazine catch that would let the magazine drop if it was carried across the chest. The stock latch could have been stronger. I find folding stocks to be a poor addition to a rifle. It may create a compact weapon, but most are not as sturdy as a fixed stock – exceptions being Galils and FAL para.

      • Yeah with regards to stocks always remember:

        light,

        strong,

        folding,

        pick two.

        A friend of mine owns an AR-180, they’re interesting though I’d still rather an AR-15. The 180B is a mess, though.

        • Kivaari

          Mine were Costa Mesa made. I found a Sterling, and it certainly was not as good as the Costa Mesa variants.

  • Am I trying to penetrate Class II armor silently at 100 yards?

  • Squirreltakular

    My skepticism about this rifle is dwindling…

  • Wingbert

    side charger and piston drive would be nice

    • Matt Shermer

      There’s an aftermarket non-reciprocating charging handle which is basically an extended arm of a standard AR charging handle, it only allows for charging on the right hand side of the rifle but that’s all that’s necessary…I’m playing around with making a dual arm side handle in my spare time in AUTOCAD but I haven’t used it regularly in about 5 years, I’m having to re-learn a lot

  • That idea I like!

  • Welp, I found an error in the second paragraph. The forward assist was requested by the Army in March 1963 to meet Army requirements for an infantry rifle. This was long before the AR-15’s reliability troubles became evident. In contrast, the Guns & Ammo article states that the FA was incorporated as a result of the M16’s reliability issues in Vietnam; that is clearly false.

    As for the actual issue of whether the forward assist is really necessary… I’m agnostic. I just don’t have enough field experience to say one way or another.

    • Squirreltakular

      Good to know. So it was just a bureaucracy thing?

      I’ll keep mine and continue to feel more secure with it. Although after googling pictures of the pre-A1 models, I’m starting to want to build one…

      • “Just” a bureaucracy thing, I’m not sure. I am not, nor have I ever been, an end user of rifles aside from being a part of the hobby. I’ve heard from both ends of the spectrum. For example, WeaponsMan thinks the forward assist is silly and superfluous, but apparently Larry Vickers thinks they’re essential (from that G&A article).

        I think “essential” is probably going a bit far; loads of successful weapons have done without forward assists. “Nice to have”, maybe.

        For the civilian user? They’re entirely unnecessary.

    • Kivaari

      An excellent resource for the M16 v. M14 rifles is Ezell’s, “The Great Rifle Controversy”. It details pretty much every thing needed to forma judgment about the two rifles. I’d take an M16A1/2/3 over an M14/M1A.

      • That book is about $150 on Amazon; once I have the spare scratch I’ll pick it up, but that might not be for a while.

        It’s already on my short list.

        • Kivaari

          I foolishly loaned my copy to a guy, who for 25 years now, still can’t remember his name. There is no fool, like one who loans a book – Ben Franklin
          It was a dumb move. Ezell’s “The AK47 story” is a worthy book as well. Using footnotes from that led me to hundreds of pages of ballistic research done by REAL scientists.

  • Adam aka eddie d.

    Thanks for the review, Alex!
    A few questions came to my mind:

    1. If this gun uses an AR10(ish, or exact?) bolt, it should either use
    some sort of hybrid carrier or a standard AR10, right?
    This would go for the buffer system and the charging handle too then.
    But the gun looks to feature a standard size AR15 receiver set, and they advertize
    it as a gun capable of using standard .223 AR handguards.
    So what’s up with the guts of the gun? What will work in it?
    Having to settle with a proprietary buffer spring and charging handle is more of a
    convenience matter, but it’s not completely insignificant.

    2. Why the carbine length gas system instead of midlength?
    My only guess would be they wanted to “emulate” AK gas pressure/amount.

  • Scott Jones

    You guys mention not liking the charging handle because it’s too small. Can it be easily replaced with a standard AR charging handle or is it proprietary? If it is proprietary, would it be possible to use one of the existing extended latch upgrades?

  • Zachary marrs

    Works well on grannies couch

    • Kivaari

      As you know grannies couches were uncommon in theater. Does it take a padded sling to carry it? Or do you use one of the stretchers with wheels?

      • Zachary marrs

        I always used a quadruple padded sling with the shoulder thing that goes up

  • Max Glazer

    Have you had a try of AUG? What was your impression of it? I served with an Australian version and personally found only the mag changing slow while the rest was ok. I admit that a fast mag change is a vital thing in combat though.

  • Nunya Bidness

    When I saw this I had high hopes, but they were quickly dashed between
    0:40 and 0:50; they lost me as a buyer with the phrase “carbine-length
    Direct Impingement Gas System”.
    Too bad.
    The reason I prefer the AK47 over the AR platform is the Gas Piston.

  • tizwicky2009

    I think that there may be some additional accuracy potential in this rifle by either doing a 2.5lb trigger job on the very highly regarded CCMG trigger group or by dropping in a after market trigger group (pick any one of the many fine options out there).