Zachary sent us this photo of the Walther P38 pistol and bayonet his grandfather brought back from WWII. The bayonet has its original Afrika Korps belt frog.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the term “frog”, a frog is what holds the sheath onto the belt. Early frogs were made of leather with later frogs usually being made of webbing.



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  • Zachary marrs

    Thanks for sharing it guys!

    Unfortunately, i never really got to know him or what he did, due to him passing away when i was a child, and some very rude family members.

    • engjin

      Great piece of history tied to your family. Your very fortunate, thanks for sharing it with us.

  • Risky

    You guys have wedding instead of webbing.

    • Fred Johnson

      Frogs have the right to get married, too.

  • ghost

    Webbing.

  • Mario AK

    beautiful

  • Taylor TX

    Great picture! Would love to see the blade and any markings it has.

    • Zachary marrs

      Here’s what i can get right now

      • Taylor TX

        Thanks man! really appreciate you sharing this, it sated my inner history nerd for the day. I had to do a little google fu earlier to satisfy my curiosity at the time and it seems like one side had a name and the other contains numbering (assuming its a serial #).

        • Zachary marrs

          On the opposite side of the name, is the blades serial number, the blades sheath has it on the front. It also has a proof mark that looks like a upside down “Q”

  • Blake

    Even the Afrika Korps were able to find yet another use for it!
    http://google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=my+ex-wife's+wedding+dress

    see also http://myexwifesweddingdress.com/

    • Fred Johnson

      Perfect! 😀

  • USMC03Vet

    15/10

    Would listen to war stories.

    • Zachary marrs

      I imagine he had quite a few, he was a tank commander during pattons african campaign, where i assume he got the bayonet.

      Sometime in 1944 his m4 Sherman got hit, where he was wounded by shrapnel, but was able to get to an aid station, where he was sent home.

      If it weren’t for family issues, id know more

      • DiverEngrSL17K

        This is really interesting. My ex-wife was George S. Patton’s grand-niece, and I have German friends who fought with great distinction and honor in the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS Panzer Divisions against Patton’s Third Army in Europe, just as I have friends who served with equally great distinction and honor in the opposing Allied armies. And here is another thread among many, yet another direct or indirect connection on the human scale woven into the incredibly complex fabric of our collective existence — past, present and future — irregardless of race, ethnicity, belief or nationality. It really is — and always was — a small world after all, and there is, in the end, not that much that separates all of us. Only the speedier and more immediate means of communication and travel we have at our disposal today would make the world seem smaller than before.

        • ConsultingProf

          Diver, your German friends may have fought with great distinction for the criminal Nazi regime that conquered most of Europe, and appreciated their service in the Wehrmacht, or was it perhaps in the Waffen SS? It’s been well known for years that it wasn’t just the SS that murdered innocent men, women, children and Allied prisoners of war; it was the Wehrmacht, itself, that collaborated in those murders and made it possible for the Nazi war of genocide against the Jews of Europe to take place. For your edification, I invite you to watch the German-made documentary “Unknown Soldier” about the exhibition in Germany of photographs and documentation of the Wehrmacht assistance to the SS and direct participation in the genocidal murders that they carried out on the orders of the gang of criminals elected by the German people to be the government of Germany, and carried out by orders of the senior commanders of the Wehrmacht, whose dirty work was performed by ordinary German soldiers. Your pals may have served with distinction but they showed no bravery, no humanity and certainly no honor in their genocidal campaigns of murder. It was the American and British soldiers who indeed fought with distinction and honor when they smashed the SS and Wehrmacht. (While the Soviets also fought bravely and suffered millions of casualties, they can hardly be said to have fought with honor, themselves. We know what the Soviet troops did to German civilians. And if not for the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression treaty, (as well as the craven appeasement by the West)), Germany’s criminal war against Central and Western Europe might have been postponed until the West had re-armed and convinced their citizens that crushing the criminal Nazi regime was a war of necessity, not a war of choice.

          • Zachary marrs

            No one here is saying what the nazi’s did was good, but you have to realize, lots of the soldiers in the wehrmact were kids who were brainwashed by their gov’t with an occult like worship of Hitler and the nazi party. Ive met several guys who had fought for the nazi’s and when it was brought up, you could see the pain and hatred they had of themselves, some of them would just lock up, and never said a word.

            They genuinely believed the propaganda films that showed the jews, pows, Gipsys, all leading happy, fulfilling lives, happily making stuff for the german war machine.

            They only saw half of the story untill the camps were liberated

          • Another thing to keep in mind is Hitlers own Generals started plots to assassinate him as early as 1938. There were a total of 46 plots to kill the bastard. Not all the generals we party members.

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            Exactly. There was, is, and always will be, a great deal more to the innumerable nuances of history and humanity than the incredibly naive assumptions of black-and-white that we have been led to believe in over so many decades — and it works both ways too.

            Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            ConsultingProf :

            It might surprise you to realize that I largely agree with your assertions. I certainly understand and appreciate the hard truths of history, and don’t exactly need any additional edification as you suggested. Oppression of any kind, carried out by anyone of any race, creed, color or nationality, is dead wrong and is to be roundly condemned for the crime that it is. No-one is suggesting that Nazism and its consequences were, and still are, not one of the greatest evils ever visited upon humankind.

            My acquaintances were ordinary German soldiers who did their best under circumstances over which they had little, if any, real control. None of them were members of the Nazi Party. Of course there were many German soldiers who were guilty of collusion in war crimes, but not every Allied soldier was guilt-free either. And it is incorrect to include the majority of ordinary Soviet soldiers in a sweeping statement that all Soviets fought bravely with little honor. The difference here lies in the fact that on the German side, there was a mass organized attempt at conquest,oppression and genocide led by the Nazi Party’s mandates that dragged everyone into a cauldron.

            In war, there will be those who try to do what is right regardless of the consequences to themselves and their families. At the opposite end of the spectrum, there will be those who will consciously and willingly carry out war crimes in the name of their personal and collective beliefs. The vast majority of soldiers, and people as a whole, occupy a middle ground where they try their best to survive and keep their immediate families alive. If they are placed in circumstances whereby their lives and those of their families are threatened ( and this includes threats from one’s own side ), they will acquiesce because they see no way out. And let’s face it — if one had to choose between oneself and one’s family on the one hand, versus the well-being and even the very lives of strangers on the other when under duress, what choice would most people make? That is, unfortunately, the harsh reality of the human condition, because it is ingrained as a basic survival instinct in human nature.

          • Phil Hsueh

            The other thing to consider is that the German Afrika Korps under Rommel by and large fought with honor and distiinction against the Allies in North Africa. Despite orders to segregate and (I think) turn over Jewish prisoners over to the SS Rommel refused to obey that order. They also did not commit any of the sort of atrocities seen on the Eastern Front and occasionally on the Western Front, Rommel was very conscientious about fighting honorably.

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            Thank you, Phil — I think you have made a very good point with the Afrika Korps and Erwin Rommel.

            Much the same could be said of the Luftwaffe as a whole. Adolf Galland’s open defiance of Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler and even the Fuhrer himself is well-documented as one of the more notable examples, but if one examines the history of many of the airmen and their ground crews, one begins to realize the truly enormous extent of that defiance.

            Hans Joachim-Marseille, the “Star Of Africa” and arguably the greatest ace who ever lived from the standpoint of pure talent and leadership in combat, was the very antithesis of what a good Nazi was supposed to be. He was undisciplined on the ground, indulged in practical jokes, loved jazz and swing ( which the Nazis considered the musical heritage of a degenerate and clearly inferior racial group ), drank heavily, was a shameless skirt-chaser ( he was even rumored to have bedded one of Benito Mussolini’s married nieces while on leave in Rome, almost creating a political scandal of unprecedented dimensions ) and had nothing but contempt for the National Socialist leadership, its principles and its ideology. His batman in the Western Desert was Corporal Mathias, a Black South African POW who was also his closest confidant and friend in many ways. If there was one ethnic group whom the Nazis truly despised in their twisted logic as being on the same level as the Jews, it was black Africans. Marseille risked his life and career to protect Mathias, stating quite straightforwardly even to Field Marshall Albert Kesselring during the latter’s visit to JG27 when Kesslring asked why he “had a negro living in his tent” that Mathias was a good man and his best friend, and that where he went, Mathias would go too. Kesselring, in his turn, was wise enough to let it be. Edward Neumann, then Geschwaderkommodore ( CO ) of JG27, has stated that “Marseille would allow no-one to harm Mathias, racial rules be damned”. This was enormously significant in the context of a time where consorting with an “inferior” of this racial classification could get one shot out of hand.

            What is really telling beyond Marseille’s mortal defiance of the omnipresent National Socialist Party is the general attitude of nearly everyone in JG27, pilots, ground crew, administrative staff and senior officers alike. They all held similar views to some extent or the other as Marseille, and took great risks themselves to protect Mathias after Marseille was killed in a crash landing due to mechanical failure. They were able to get him repatriated to the Allied side before the demise of the Afrika Korps in North Africa and he survived the war to go home to his family. Edward Neumann himself had no hesitation in openly telling members of JG27 that they were there to do a job as professionals, that if they were fighting for anyone it ,

      • SP mclaughlin

        Fury in a nutshell.

        • Zachary marrs

          He didn’t have a chance to obliterate half the German army though. I knda wonder what he would’ve thought of that movie…

  • Blake

    My Dad inherited my uncle’s P38 when he passed away a few years ago. It came back with him after his Marshall Plan service, & it had pretty much been sitting in the back of his closet with two mags & the leather holster since then. Luckily it survived their house fire in the late ’90s unscathed.

    I got Dad a fresh set of Wolff gunsprings & magsprings for it, & dug up a manual on the ‘net. When we replaced the springs we did a full takedown & deep-cleaned & re-lubed everything.

    It runs like a top.

    We’re extra-careful to keep hot ammo far far away from it but it eats the cheap & dirty stuff like Wolf & Brown Bear all day long without complaining, & it’s easy to field-strip & clean once you’ve done it a few times & get the hang of it. It won’t win any awards for accuracy (that’s what the CZ is for 🙂 but as a plate plinker it’s plenty adequate in that department.

    It’s really cool that such an interesting piece of history (both world history & family history) can be enjoyed safely at the range, especially given that it had been stored for so long. Starts some nice conversations at the range too.

  • DiverEngrSL17K

    Zachary, many thanks for sharing yet another small yet priceless piece of history and humanity. Often, it is seemingly little things like these, and the stories behind them, that are infinitely more meaningful and valuable than any collection of the large and obvious.

  • ghost

    Nit picking over a typo aside, I like that pistol. The blade is gravy. My Dad, my Uncles, my grand Dads were sparse on war stories. Many years later, in another world, I understood why.

  • Secundius

    The actually word “frog” applies to a Leather Medieval Sword Belt Hanger, not too gun holster.