Fostech Arms Origin

Fostech

The Fostech Arms Origin shotgun will ship in the next three weeks according to the company rep I spoke with at the NASGW show. There have been many pre-orders, and Fostech Arms expects it would take about 6 – 8 months to deliver a shotgun ordered today.

If you are not familiar with the Origin, it is a gas operated, box magazine fed 12-gauge shotgun. The company sells stick magazines with 5-, 8- and 10-round capacities. Additionally, the company will offer 20- and 30-round drums. The gun will only run 2 3/4″ shells.

The gas system bleeds gas from the chamber, rather than farther down the barrel. According to Fostech Arms, the guns are extremely reliable with a wide range of ammunition.

All controls are designed to be accessible without the need to remove the hand from the pistol grip. For example, the safety has oversized paddles to allow for shooters with smaller hands to easily operate it.

Diamond Head sights and a Mission First Tactical Minimalist stock are standard. The guns break down easily and ship with a hard case. Total weight is 9 pounds, 2 ounces. Short barrel options are available.

The MSRP starts at $2,600 and goes up depending on options.



Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/.


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  • Zachary marrs

    Looks like it was made out of legos

    • Fred Johnson

      I was just thinking, this is a true Lego gun. 😮

    • Marty Ewer

      Talk about hitting the nail on the head. Yes. Legos. I’ve been trying to put my finger on it for a while now, after seeing the prototype.

    • herb

      Yeah, really hideous, to my eye. Makes the Saiga look like an elegant, traditional, understated sporting arm. Which it is.

      • dan citizen

        If bigamy was legal I’d marry my Saiga 12

  • An Interested Person

    Not sure if cutaway… or just that ugly.

    • Marty Ewer

      Nope, not a cutaway. That’s what it looks like.

  • This is actually interesting, but I’m waiting until practical reviews of this thing are done before I judge. More alternatives to the Saiga-12 is good but more RELIABLE alternatives is better.

  • The Cantamount Fury is a better option than even the Saiga, it runs fine with bird or buck, comes with an adjustable gas system, five mags, removable chokes, hinged and railed dust cover, and a whole list of features you gotta pay for to install on the Saiga. Only bad thing is the mags are only available in 5 rounders, hopefully that’ll change soon, and conversions aren’t really happening.

    • Marty Ewer

      We bought a gaggle of those VEPRs when they were $700. They’ve got all the “mods” already done to them. Just have to cut the folding stock’s weld point if/when you’re ready. Got a couple of Saigas, too. They’re okay. Prefer the VEPRs though.

      • John

        Removing that weld is a violation of 922(r) if you don’t have the proper number of US-made parts installed on the gun, you know.

        • Marty Ewer

          John, correct. That’s why the “if/when” part of my post is there.

    • ChuckyTee

      I have heard nothing good about Cantamount Fury. Not one thing until you came along.

      • Interesting I can hardly find reviews for it anywhere before I bought it. I’ve fired roughly 250-300 rounds of the wal mart federal birdshot, remington gun club, and some winchester cheapo birdshot, and the only issues I had was when i first got the gun, now that’s it’s broke in I don’t have issues with birdshot ever.
        I never had an issue with buckshot, on either gas setting. I use primarily the cheap suprema and spartan buckshot, prolly a hundred rounds between the two, along with some remington number 1 (10) rounds, Winchester PDX slugs (10 rounds), and a couple federal slugs (2).
        The only ammo it’s ever had consistent trouble with was Fiochi reduced recoil. The issue wasn’t even based around extraction/ejection but loading, the Fiochi rounds were a much softer plastic and tended to get hung up when going into the chamber.

    • Sixshot6

      how much trouble would it be to mod the gun to use Saiga mags and how much trouble would it be to make 1 10 round mag out of two five rounders? I remember a guy here in the uk who made 9 round Ruger 96/44 mags out of two 4 rounders. Said it cost too much to go in business and make a profit. But maybe in the US it might be worth a while, though maybe a magwell adapter for less permanent modification is a better idea?

  • Juice

    “I call her Vera”.

    • SM

      Well, my days of not takin’ ya seriously are certainly comin’ to a middle.

  • Ryan

    I find it interesting that the stock is above the barrel. I’d really like to know how the recoil feels.

  • andrey kireev

    I really don’t know how I feel about the looks….There’s just too much going on XD

  • Erik Pakieser

    Fired one at SHOT a couple of years ago. Didn’t seem ready for production then.

    http://www.qsitraining.net/wp-content/uploads/slide-4-980×360.jpg

    • Tony chuckles

      Is that Chumly???????

      • Morgan Collins

        No. that’s… Erik?

  • toms

    The world is waiting for a reliable magazine fed shotgun. If this has good reliability I will be getting one. My experience with siaga and vepr shotguns has been less than stellar. Not something I would trust my life on for sure. Even the race ak guns have hickups far too often to be depended on.

    • gb7

      reliable magazine fed shotguns will only happen when the mass produced shotgun shell is redesigned to rimless.

      • Nergyl

        Didn’t HK try to do that with the CAWS? Shame it never went anywhere.

        • gb7

          yep. I agree. I knew I had read something about rimless shot shells a while back. found it again on AR15.com.

          A portion of the article: Getting more bang out of your Saiga-12 by David M. Fortier from Shotgun News, Volume 65, Issue 26. September 10, 2011 pg. 19

          “A modern rimless design made entirely from aluminum or steel. Doing away with the rim would allow a moder design to stack and feed in a more reliable manner from a box magazine. Producing it entirely from aluminum or steel would prevent the case deforming under the heavy spring pressure required in a high capacity design. Plus, by designing an entirely new shell from the ground up, a number of improvements and innovations could be incorporated.

          With a new design the overall length of the shell could be adjusted to maximize performance while eliminating unneeded space. A slightly shorter shell would mean both ammunition and magazine could be less bulky. The design could be optimized for use with modern propellants and its payload.

          Even the internal/external shell diameters could be adjusted to maximize performance. The end result would be a modern shotshell specifically designed for use in magazine-fed autoloading shotguns. Such a shell would greatly simplify the task of designing a modern magazine fed auto-loading shotgun. The end result would be increased reliability of the system as a whole.

          What I am talking about here is nothing new of groundbreaking. Attempts have been made in the past to produce a modern shotshell. While none of these were successful, it’s obvious now is the time to try again. Despite its shortcomings, the Saiga 12 has proven very popular and the commercial market is very interested in magazine-fed designs. There is no question detachable box magazines offer a number of advantages over 19th century-style tubular magazines.

          Tubular magazines quickly disappeared from fighting rifles for a reason, they are slow and clumsy to reload. The same is true of tubular magazines on fighting shotguns, but they have endured in this application. It’s high time they fade away into the history books.

          Currently the firearms industry is hard at work rolling out new rifle cartridges only to see them fade into ivllivion wuthin i a few years. These new rifle cartridges quickly disappear because they fail to offer anything over established cartridges developed decades ago. I think its time they turn their attention to designing a modern shotshell.

          The new design would not be intended to replace the hugely successful 12-gauge accross the board. Rather it would provide shooters with another option and facilitate the design of truly modern magazine fed auto loading shotguns for sporting, personal protection, L.E. and military use. ”

    • Duray

      All repeating shotguns are magazine fed.

      • 1911a145acp

        Hhmmm… my Savage 311 and my Winchester 101 repeat, and my Chiappa 3 barrel repeats twice…. I STILL can’t find the magazine on any of them….

      • toms

        Of course I meant “BOX” magazine fed,

      • Zachary marrs

        King of smart ass-ness, I am but a humble servant

  • M

    Just to be clear: this is a dressed up/fancy, US made Saiga-12 right?

  • 1leggeddog

    Well it certainly is cool looking. I wonder how long the barrels can be and if all of those unnecessary rails can be removed to make it a bit more “hunter friendly”.

  • DaveP.

    $2600 MSRP equals what, 6 Remington 870’s?

    • Zachary marrs

      Funny way to say mossberg 590

  • John

    I looked at the gun and thought “the MSRP is going to be totally unreasonable, isn’t it?” and lo and behold, $2600. Absolutely hideous to boot. No thank you.

    • herb

      cringe-worthy price, even if the components were ubiquitous (maybe they are, I can’t tell) so that it wouldn’t turn into a hassle to run if the company went under, it would be unreasonable.

      • Cymond

        It wouldn’t cost $2600 if parts were ubiquitous. Funny, isn’t it? That a super-expensive gun also uses super-obscure parts.

  • guest

    What a big chunk of nonsense. It has been (for the lack of a better word) OVERMACHINED. Look at the bolt carrier, the receiver cover, the mag well, the “handrail” etc. Everything milled into oblivion, and every part raped by the CNC mill to be look similar. This must be a tatcticool operator’s wet dream. This thing will literally make one operate so operationally that all the other operators will get hardons and/or simply faint. And the price – 2600? Seriously? But then again this does require more aluminium and mill time than a F-22 structural bulkhead so there you go. Difference being the latter actually serves a meaningful purpose.

    • Michael R. Zupcak

      Over-machined is an understatement.

      • guest

        Like I said this is a marketing gimmick to attract people who chose guns by their appearance rather than function.
        Overmachined-anything, custom dust covers, logos, “dangerous looking” flash hiders/brakes, things with just as many/unchanged fuctions but completely different appearance etc… I am literally sick and tired of it. This blog is no different from many others that gives “air time” to various “new and improved” releases of complete guns and components that are neither new or improved. I am really missing a blog that would focus purely on the technical, and review and comment guns on their functionality rather than this BS.

      • Jimbo

        IMO it is like the “ports” the manufacturers use on clay target shotguns. If I wanted someone to drill holes in a perfectly good barrel, I would pay for myself. They don’t do anything, and all they do is make it harder to clean.

    • Rick

      Chuck Norris’ new sidearm?

  • David

    I saw and shot this gun about 1.5 years ago. It functioned perfectly. I think it looks better in person than in pictures. They have been perfecting the design since. I gave them some suggestions for improvement and they actually made several of the changes.

    It will also be available with a short barrel. It’s on the expensive side, but its a box fed shotgun that actually works.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Oh hello there hodgepodge.

  • dan citizen

    Now I know what it is like to see a loved one so horribly disfigured as to be unrecognizable… This is a Saiga 12.

    I’ll give the Saiga fans here an hour or so to shudder, gasp, beat your keyboards while screaming “NO, NO, NOOOOOOO!!!”

    *90 minutes later*

    What part of “Smooth” abused Fostech as a child?

    Were they drunk during their online engineering course and thought it said “Complexity in machines encourages reliability” ?

    Did Fostech decide to eliminate the middle doldrums of failed weapon design and jump straight to “science fiction B movie prop” ?

    I assume they were driving to work in their pontiac Aztek and thought… How can I make a gun that embodies this look? Clunky, yet unergonomic, hell let’s go further…. ANTI-ergonomic!

    Maybe this was all a “take your son to work day” wherein a young child asked “daddy? can you make my k’nex gun into a real gun?” and he replied, “Yes son, but they will cost $2,600…. each”

    in a nutshell it’s as if these two things shown below made sloppy, ugly, love, and then had a deeply unwanted baby…..

    http://cdn.instructables.com/F81/62SX/HA4MH3WA/F8162SXHA4MH3WA.MEDIUM.jpg

    http://img.timeinc.net/time/2007/50_cars/pontiac_aztec.jpg

  • USMC03Vet

    So close to real life bolter, yet so far…

  • petru sova

    Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the ATF rule in just a few seconds that the old gun “the street sweeper” was illegal and classed as a destructive device simply because they did not like the looks of the gun and it held to many shots. It had a 7 or 12 round capacity depending on the magazine purchased. So my question is when will the ATF simply rule the same for this weapon?