Benelli Flying Shotgun

Polenar sotgun

Polenar Tactical tried to beat Instructor Zero’s time of 8 shots in 1.41 secs with his Benelli M4. Polenar is using a Benelli M3. However they soon learn there is something wrong with their Benelli M3. They can only go so fast before the gun fails.

Oh and it is not recommended that you throw your shotgun in the air.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Giolli Joker

    Well, safety against out-of-battery shot is properly working… it’s much more important than breaking a time record.

    • Cymond

      Yeah, but it sucks that the safety disables the shotgun, even after it is in battery. I’m not sure which Benelli model is in this video, but it would be bad if the shotgun locked up in the line of duty because somebody tried to double-tap a little too quickly.
      I guess it could be remedied by just wracking the charging handle, but still a bit odd.

      • Andrew

        Because you need to fire 8 shots in 1.4secs “in the line of duty”

        • Grindstone50k

          Hey man, those Labradors are scary!

        • Cymond

          No, because you might fire a double tap very quickly. This doesn’t just happen at the end of a magazine, it could happen any time the shooter pulls the trigger when the bolt is out of battery.

      • worldwidREB

        it is a M3

  • An Interested Person

    Makes you wonder what that zero dude did to his shotgun.

    • iksnilol

      Nothing, he used a M4 while Polenar used a M3

      • An Interested Person

        Completely missed that part, thanks for the correction!

  • LT

    I question the need to double-tap with a shotgun. If a round of double-ought doesn’t work the first time, sending a second one within a split second probably isn’t going to do it, either.

    • iksnilol

      Spoken like a true non-operator.

      • Joe Schmoe

        “Operator”….

        Haha, that’s cute.

        • Anonymoose

          Half of Polenar’s videos have “Operator” in the title. They’re all worth checking out, btw.

        • iksnilol

          Operator, Operator
          connect to Skynet
          I am a motherf**** terminator!

    • Not all targets stand perfectly still.

      • dan citizen

        his did

      • Giolli Joker

        If your target is able to move out of the shot line and you’re able to follow it and shoot it again, all in less than 30 hundredth of a second, you’re probably having a gunfight in Matrix and you both don’t really need guns to annihilate each other.
        Benelli Inertia shotguns (M2) seem to have a fair share of usage in practical shooting competitions and that is probably THE environment where you need to shoot FAST.

  • iksnilol

    It’s a Benelli M3, he mentioned it in the behind the scenes video.

    It’s what convinced me not to buy a M3.

    • matt

      Well, you should convince yourself to understand how a shotgun works instead, because:
      – if there would be no safety and you pull the trigger before the bolt locks into battery: you go full auto
      – the hammer is prevented from striking down before the bolt locks into battery: you are slowed down because the trigger cant be pulled.

      Hence the way Benelli implemented its system is the fastest you could have.

      • “- the hammer is prevented from striking down before the bolt locks into battery: you are slowed down because the trigger cant be pulled.”

        Not sure what difference this makes, since the time it takes the bolt to travel back and forth is the limiting factor in rate of fire, not the rate that the user can pull the trigger, as evidenced in the video.

        Would you rather:
        – Pull the trigger again?
        – Rack the bolt, and then pull the trigger again, with a live round now at your feet?

        • matt

          “since the time it takes the bolt to travel back and forth is the limiting factor in rate of fire”

          True, but only if you are in full auto (you keep the trigger pulled)

          In Semi auto you have to add to the “the time it takes the bolt to travel back and forth” the time needed by the operator to pull the trigger again.

          • In the video, he’s pulling the trigger faster than the bolt can cycle, which leads to frustration because the shotgun can’t keep up. The time it takes for the bolt to cycle is the limit on rate of fire, not the rate that the user can pull the trigger. (intentionally trying not to use the word “operator”)

            If you could prevent the trigger from releasing the hammer before the bolt closes, and still prevent full-auto, then at least the shotgun would continue to function while the user fans the trigger.

          • matt

            “If you could prevent the trigger from releasing the hammer before the bolt closes”, yes and there is such (“prevent the trigger from releasing the hammer before the bolt closes”) a feature on other guns, but this will increase the time by a very small fraction before you can pull the trigger.
            Think about the bolt locks into battery immediately followed by the hammer.

            Full auto my mistake, read above comment.

      • dan citizen

        “if there would be no safety and you pull the trigger before the bolt locks into battery: you go full auto”

        Incorrect. It would still be one shot per pull of the trigger, therefore semi auto.

        The sear disconnector prevents the hammer dropping more than once per pull of the trigger, which would be full auto.

        • matt

          Correct. Still semi-auto, my mistake. The (safety)issue would be the hammer striking the firing pin before the bolt locks into battery.

          • dan citizen

            But could you imagine the out of battery discharge?

            That would be the difference between knowing what your shotgun looks like and what your shotgun tastes like.

      • iksnilol

        Are you trying to convince me that “Not going full auto” is a feature and not a bug? Worst sales pitch ever: “This shotgun will definately not go full auto, this is a safety shotgun”.

        Shame on you.

        Seriously though, I am curious why the Benelli M4 can fire fast without messing up while the M3 can’t. Do they use different mechanisms or is the M4 trigger a better design?

  • Phil Hsueh

    I thought that that video was pretty funny, I loved seeing his reactions every time the gun misfired/failed to fire. Anyone have an English spelling for what he was saying when he was chucking the shotgun? I liked the sound of it and I think it would be fun to learn how to say it, nothing like being able to swear in a foreign language you don’t understand, much less speak.

    Btw, if he doesn’t want his Benelli anymore, can I have it?

    • iksnilol

      “I f*** your mother”

      It sounds better in Slavic languages.

      • Phil Hsueh

        I know what the translation is, they show it in the subtitles. What I wanted was the original Slavic but spelled out in English.

        • iksnilol

          “Jebem ti mater”

          That’s it originally, it is the same in pretty much all Slavic languages.

          • Phil Hsueh

            Thanks, that helps.

  • DPC

    Correct me if I’m wrong… M3 is a convertible semi/pump but still based on the older Benelli inertia system which has a ligther spring rate compared to a M4, which is piston gas system with a higher spring rate to handle the direct gas piston. Higher spring moves the bolt into battery faster, allowing for faster lock-up. They are comparing apples to pears.

    • Wait, the M4 has the higher spring rate, or the M3?

      • Andrew

        M4

    • JumpIf NotZero

      There is no X is faster than Y always. But for this specific example, the M4 is had a higher peak bolt velocity and faster cyclic rate than the M1/M2/M3.

      Practically speaking they are all perfectly fine. But to type of person that would throw a shotgun, I could see this being an “issue”.

  • andrey kireev

    Heh, I know these guys are Slovenian, and hearing them curse… there is so much similarity between Slovenian and Russian cursing, it’s not even funny… I can actually understand what they say lol

    • Matt

      Old Slavonic 😉

    • Phil Hsueh

      Since you understand them can you provide an English version of what he was saying, not an English translation but the words he said written in English. I really liked the way it sounded and if it’s not too difficult I think I would like to learn those phrases for when something really pisses me off, plus it would be perfect if I ever felt the need to chuck a shotgun.

    • iksnilol

      It is hilaeious how different the Slavic languages are but the cursingis pretty much the same.

      A Slovakian friend of mine didn’t have problems understanding me cursing in my native tongue (Bosnian).

  • Marco Antonio Gonzalez

    So, his finger reached the shotgun´s rpm limit
    Bumm god bye record

  • SP mclaughlin

    Throwing it around shouldn’t help……

    • dan citizen

      it helped get hits on his video, which is the point of this video.

  • Grey

    What an immature a-hole… It’s not the gun’s fault.

  • guest

    lol!

  • ghost

    Not sure which is dumber, the shotgun or him. Trying the same thing over and over and expects different results?

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Have I ever told you what the definition of insanity is?

      • Giolli Joker

        Nailed it.

        @ghost
        Definitely the guy.

  • Anonymoose

    Wow. Kinda odd that I watched half Polenar’s videos last night and my real name is also “Nick.”

  • Edward Franklin

    It’s not so much a gun failure as simply trying to overrun the shotgun’s cyclic rate, the old M1 Super 90 had a rate of roughly .13 seconds. Anything faster than that and you got the hammer to follow the bolt forward. The old Auto-5 has a positive reset and if you can handle the recoil they are capable of a slightly higher rate of fire despite the long recoil double shuffle.

    • matt

      Well, but with the benelli you could pull the trigger while the hammer is not yet into battery (just a nanosecond before), while with a positive reset you couldn’t (you should wait until the bolt locks), am I correct?
      Hence the Benelli should be faster….

    • JumpIf NotZero

      I like the cyclic rate on my M1. I have absolutely zero issue with this gun. I also have zero desire to shoot it that fast, so what do I know!? 🙂

  • waffen ss

    “F### this Italian made POS shotgun”(@1:30)-LOL

    • iksnilol

      “Can’t even malfuncton properly”.

  • gunsandrockets

    So the hammer can fall even though the breech is not closed! Yeah it’s good that the hammer doesn’t strike the firing pin in that case, but still … I’d be frustrated too.

  • Clone

    This explains the inclusion of the Polenar piece in their ”

    Shit You See on the Range” video.

  • Mystick

    Their best one will always be “$hit You See At The Range”…

  • topgun062

    Best bet is that the weight of the side saddle ammo holder is causing the problem. I found that our dept. shotguns would not reliably cycle low recoil loads when using the side saddle.

  • petru sova

    I certainly would never use this shotgun in a defensive situation. Now I am wondering if the Remington 1100 would pass the test with the trigger pulled as fast as possible while actually aiming and firing. I think I will try to see if my 1100 will fail this test. It never ceases to amaze me the great lengths people will go to when trying to make excuses for failed designs as they have the attitude that every gun ever made is perfect in every way even the M16. They refuse to see reality.

  • Chuck Burns

    The Benelli M3 is inertia operated in semi-auto mode. The Benelli M4 is a dual gas piston operated semi-automatic shotgun. The guy throwing the shotgun is an immature male who throws tantrums. Not anyone i would seek out for advice or training

  • sometrend

    I get the frustration but…tossing a weapon with a round in the chamber is somewhat over the top. Can`t say I`d want to shoot with this guy

  • Zaphod

    Was it DESIGNED to fire that fast?