Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle in .223 Remington … A missed opportunity?

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Ruger has announced that their Scout Rifle is now also available chambered in 5.56mm / .223 Remington. Before you ask, no, it does not accept AR-15 magazines. It takes proprietary magazines that are 10 rounds in capacity.

The .223 Ruger Scout is almost identical to the original Ruger Scout chambered in .308 Win. The only major differences are that it is 1″ shorter (the barrel itself is 0.4″ at 16.1″, with the same 1:8″ RH twist) and, strangely enough 0.1 lb heavier (maybe that is a typo or rounding error). The price is the same with a MSRP of $1,039 for the black matte model.
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Like the .308 Win. model, it will be available with a matte black finish or a matte stainless finish. The barrel is threaded so you can easily replace the muzzle brake with a suppressor (or remove it altogether if, like me, you prefer not to have muzzle devices on small caliber bolt action rifles).

I think it is fair to say Ruger missed a huge opportunity. A scout-style rifle that used a common magazine along with the ever popular AR-15 would make it a must-have survivalist/backup rifle. They could have followed it up with a version chambered in 7.62x39mm that took AK magazines  for a trifecta of bolt-action backup rifles. The 10 round .308 Win. magazine for the .308 Win. version of the scouts costs  $74.95. Now you know why they want to sell you proprietary magazines: there is a lot of money to be made, with the steel magazine costing about 7.5% of the cost of the rifle itself, and likely costing just a few dollars to manufacture. If they allowed you to use an AR-15 magazine, Magpul would have profited a few dollars instead instead of the tens of dollars of profit they are making with each magazine sold.

The press release is below …

Sturm, Ruger &amp Company, Inc. (NYSE-RGR) is proud to announce that the Ruger® Gunsite Scout Rifle is now chambered in 5.56 NATO. This newest version of the Gunsite Scout Rifle features a hybrid chamber that shoots both 5.56 NATO and .223 Rem. accurately and safely. The rifle weighs approximately 7.1 lbs., features a 16.1″, 1/2-28 threaded barrel with a 1:8 twist rate, offers controlled round feed and is shipped with a 10-round detachable box magazine.

“This is a natural extension of the Gunsite Scout Rifle line,” said Gunsite Instructor Ed Head, one of the contributors to the original Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle design. “Being chambered in a lower cost, universally available caliber, and with the Ruger reputation for reliability and accuracy, this is another serious rifle for those serious about rifles,” he added.

The cold hammer-forged, medium contour, alloy steel barrel and receiver feature a matte black oxide finish. The 1/2-28 threaded barrel comes with a Ruger flash suppressor, which can be removed in order to attach other threaded barrel accessories. The rifle’s trigger guard and magazine well are formed of glass-reinforced nylon. The magazine release is a push-forward Mini-14® paddle just ahead of the trigger guard.

A Mini-14-style protected, non-glare, post front sight and receiver-mounted, adjustable, ghost ring rear sight offer out-of-the-box usability. A forward-mounted Picatinny rail offers options in mounting an assortment of optics such as scout scopes from Burris® and Leupold® which allow “both eyes open” fast target acquisition. The rifle also features Ruger M77® integral scope mounts and comes with Ruger scope rings for conventional scope mounting.

The weather resistant black laminate stock, with “Gunsite Scout Rifle” engraved on the grip cap contains sling swivel studs and a checkered grip and forearm. A soft rubber recoil pad with three 1/2″ spacers allows the length of pull to be adjusted and properly sized for different shooters or to give the shooter the proper fit with outerwear or defensive gear of varying thickness.



Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Blake

    If these are identical to Mini-14 mags then it’s not that bad…

    One of Ruger’s excellent rotary magazines would have worked quite nicely in this bolt-action as well.

    • bucherm

      “If these are identical to Mini-14 mags then it’s not that bad…”

      Nope, they aren’t.

      The base price is expensive, much more so than the most expensive Mossberg MVP Patrol. And at least the Mossberg can use AR-15 mags.

      Savage has a .223 Bolt action(albeit with a internal mag) with iron sights that floats around $400 new.

      Ruger really, really screwed up. People were anticipating, well, something else. Especially since the contest flyer they sent out said “or something else if it isn’t in your state”. They weren’t expecting a ultra-expensive bolt action in a varmint round that maybe there’s a market for in Australia.

      • mig1nc

        I agree. If it took Mini-14 mags then at least you could get one of those and have a common magazine to share. This was a huge mistake on their part.

      • James in Australia

        Funny, I was looking at a new .308 one today, though there’s a space for a .223 in the safe. I might wait for the Centrefire Lithgows to be released.

        • James in Australia

          AR mag sharing wouldn’t lock it out of Australia, so long as they only come with a 10 round or less originally.

          • Rusty Shackleford

            That would be incredible if they used 10 rounder SR-25 and AR-15 mags.

        • Craig MacMillan

          aye the Lithgows are quite Steyr-like and very nice

  • SD3

    “…and, strangely enough 0.1 lb heavier…”

    Same barrel, but heavier due to smaller bore?

    • Most likely yes.

    • Ah! That is why I need you readers, you are much smarter than I.

    • Beju

      The 9mm XDS picked up weight compared to the .45ACP version due to that reason.

    • I always felt there was this hole in my heart, but now I see it can be filled by a field rifle in .223 caliber, but lacking all that annoying “lightweight” crap of a CZ 527…

    • MR

      So, for the flash suppressor, did they reset the machinery to the industry standard 1/2×28 for 5.56, stick with the 308 gun’s threads, or find a proprietary Ruger thread pitch to funnel muzzle device sales into their pockets?

      • MR

        Too early in the morning for me, the article says it’s 1/2×28. Of course others have stated Ruger can’t read a ruler to determine correct barrel length, so I’m not entirely convinced on the thread pitch. Not like I’ll be spending a grand on a 223 bolt gun with the scope mount halfway to the muzzle anyway…

  • Zachary marrs

    > before you ask, no it does not use ar 15 mags.

    While im sure they will sell a few, not using ar mags isnt a very good idea

  • Duray

    It comes with a flash suppressor, not a muzzle brake. Two different things.

    • MR

      Currently acceptable (I think) in Calif because it’s on a bolt gun, just pray you don’t cross a confused officer that thinks it’s still an evil feature.

  • Craig MacMillan

    i cannot believe they have the gall to use anything but an ar15 mag. plus why have aftermarket stocks not really happened at all for the 308s yet. or at least another stock style from ruger themselves…another missed opportunity?

  • So THIS is the highly anticipated “unannounced new product” from Ruger?

    MAH!

    So much for me thinking that they would launch something they’d sell, like, the SR-22 pistol design in higher calibers.

  • I’m okay with a scout rifle in .223 but it should have used AR mags. I guess the MVP wins in that respect. I think I’ll still end up buying the 308

    • kipy

      MVP in 308 or the Scout in 308?

      • The Scout (Ruger GSR) in 308. The GSR is more aesthetically appealing to me. However, given that the MVP also comes in 308 also AND uses mags from common platforms (m14/m1a etc), one would likely be better off going with the MVP Patrol than buying the GSR. But that would be based solely on the mags and no other factors like quality etc. I like the look of the GSR’s stock more but maybe I could just change the stock on the MVP to a laminate. That said, I’ll probably just end up with a Marlin 336 in 30/30 made up to be a scout.

        • kipy

          With one of those rear peep sight/rail combos the Marlin would be pretty cool for a scout rifle.

        • jrt 82

          MVP 308 can use both M1a and SR25 pattern mags.

          • El Duderino

            If the Mossberg was offered in LH I’d get one in .308 right away. But…no.

          • SM

            I was not aware of this.

    • MR

      A detachable box-mag fed Ruger should use Mini14 mags, IMO. Not another overpriced, impossible to find oddball. Think I’ll stick with my manually cycled AR. 😉

    • NoDakNative

      Yes, lets incorporate the most unreliable part of the AR system into a bolt action rifle. I suppose you want car makers to incorporate the gas tank design from the Pinto into their cars too.

      • RaunchyDawg

        I’ll just assume you are not calling a 5.56 “unreliable”, and ask what you are talking about.

        • MR

          I assume he’s talking about mags. Probably only used early Promag and Tapco mags, not realizing how much of an improvement Magpul P-mags are.

        • The aluminum AR mags WERE the weakest part of the AR system, because the feed lips were easily damaged.

          Of course:

          A. That’s becuase the aluminum mags were designed to be DISPOSABLE, not used forever and ever by soldiers who treat them like shit.

          B. Those problems do not apply to modern quality mags, like PMags and Lancers.

      • Anon. E Maus

        Yeah, because all AR mags are old Vietnam era aluminum mags with bent feed lips and LE mags from the 80’s with crooked springs.
        We have PMag’s and H&K mags today, get with the program.

  • schizuki

    And I would buy a Scout in either caliber over an equivalent AR-mag-taking MVP Patrol why?

    • Fred Johnson

      I don’t know how to describe it until you hold each gun. The GSR feels more like a walk and shoot from standing gun. If the MVP or the GSR is going to have a bipod on it, large heavy scope, or used mostly on a bench, then the MVP makes more financial sense.

      It’s not that the GSR is light, but it doesn’t feel heavy either. Plus the cut of the GSR’s stock just feels right for walking and shooting.

      If the GSR has the flash suppressor and the stock shims removed, it is a short and sweet open sight carbine. At least the .308 version is, and if set up like I just mentioned it is just a touch over 36″ long. All with that falsely claimed 16.5″ barrel that is really 17.25″ in length.

      • MR

        Does the 17.25″ include the flash hider?

        • MR

          Rereading, it appears it doesn’t, that must make the barrel about 18″ from the bolt face to the end of the factory f/h.

          • Fred Johnson

            If my memory is correct, removing the Ruger flash hider shortens the gun 1-1/4″ to 1-1/2″. The flash hider is longer than that, but I’m not counting the threads.

            Mine is buried in a box somewhere. I can check it later.

        • Fred Johnson

          No. That is with the flash hider removed. I removed the flash hider from my GSR and using a cleaning rod resting on a closed bolt, the length to the muzzle is approximately 17.25″

          I use a thread protector as I don’t like the length the flash hider adds to the gun.

          I have conversed with an owner of an 18″ barreled GSR and his has an additional 3/4″ of barrel, too.

          I don’t know why Ruger “under reports” the GSR’s barrel lengths. No other gun I have is that far off from factory specs, whether centerfire or rimfire.

          • Rusty Shackleford

            I seem to remember an article about the GSR a while ago that made mention of Ruger making an 18″ bbl version for export. IIRC, they seem to have indicated that it was to become the standard barrel for the American version as well, although I’m not sure how they measure it either.

      • Beaumont

        The MVP is available in a variety of barrel lengths and stock styles, from heavy varmint rigs to relatively light, short patrol rifles. Given the price differential (MVPs are often found for around $500 at my local Academy) you could buy a varminter and a patrol version both for the cost of one Ruger.

        Ruger’s management has taken a hard left turn into stupid.

  • Max Scholz

    A relaunch of the PC9/PC40 would have been nice.

  • Marc

    Oh ffs not this nonsense again. Feeding a cartridge is no trivial task and you’d have to especially adapt the bolt to feed from an AR-15 magazine. Just look at the (patented) Mossberg MVP bolt to see that you can’t just stick an AR-15 mag into a magwell and call it a day. The .308 Ruger scout uses AI magazines, like pretty much every magazine conversion out there, because they’re robust and reliable. Selling a third party magazine is certainly not the option with the highest profit margin and how many magazines to you people buy for your bolt rifles anyway?

    • iksnilol

      If it is possible to get a Lee Enfield to feed from AK mags then Ruger can make a bolt action that takes AR mags.

      There are bolt actions in the UK that take AR mags.

      • Anonymous

        As someone who *has* a Lee Enfield that feeds from AK mags, I can tell you that they’re not all you’d hope them to be. Despite numerous gunsmithing attempts, and trying out no less than 20-30 different types of mags, from 5rd to 40rd, I still can’t get that rifle to feed from anything other than a single 10rd magazine that came with it. The bolt will override the rim of the cartridge and cause a jam.

        • iksnilol

          Have you tried having a gunsmith modify it? Could be a lemon.

      • Marc

        If making a regular bolt rifle reliably feed from AR-15 mags is so easy and awesome as you claim, why don’t you just make and sell an AR-15 mag conversion for Remington 700s and become rich? Should be a no-brainer.

        • RaunchyDawg

          I dont recall him saying it was easy. However, if you “design” a rifle, you can make it take whatever mags you want. It doesn’t take ar mags because they dont want it too, not because it can’t.

    • Fred Johnson

      4 mags is a good number.

    • You know how you “adapt the bolt”?
      Shape the forward end of the bolt to basically what the AR bolt head is, and use the same style of barrel collar to get the locking lug recesses. BOOM! Done.

      Without research, FEA, or prototyping, that is one bolt style that we already KNOW works well with AR mags.

  • sevenseas

    I do love Ruger, but this is a swing and a whiff. 10 round unique magazine that is very costly, not the best way to go when your main competition is roughly half the price and can accept ar mags. At the very least they should have gone with mini 14 mags. Mossberg may have the patent for their bolt design, but they don’t have all the engineers (my old Remington 7615 takes ar mags and doesn’t use the Mossberg bolt, so it can be done)

  • Nomad

    Does it accept stripper clips like Col. Cooper specified a scout rifle should? If so the magazine thing is a non-issue.

    • Fred Johnson

      The GSR has no stripper clip guide built into the receiver.

      • Nomad

        That’s unfortunate… 🙁

  • Pete Sheppard

    This thing looks way too accessorized for a knockabout survival gun. My understanding of Col. Cooper’s concept was a basic bolter in .308/7.62NATO with iron sights and a provision for a forward-mounted optic, to allow the use of stripper clips for quick reloading of the fixed (can’t lose) magazine. A minimally modified surplus bolter (ex, Kar98 in 7.62NATO) fills the bill perfectly.

    • ThomasD

      Actions not amenable to stripper clips are the biggest failure for both the GSR and the MVP, criminally so in the case of any rifle ostensibly intended to match Cooper’s vision.

      With strippers all you’d ever want is two high quality magazines. Once for use and one for backup in the event of failure.

      • Fred Johnson

        IMO, the stripper clip idea isn’t needed on a detachable magazine gun built for a 21st century shooter.

        It makes sense on fixed magazine guns or old mil-surps where only one mag is issued with the gun. But, for civilian shooters with a civilian based gun? Just carry a mag in the gun and a mag in a pouch. Why the worry about a speedy stripper clip reload when you have a spare mag or two?

        • Fred Johnson

          Now that I think about it, what civilian based scout rifle has a stripper clip guide cut into the receiver?

          Savage? Steyr? Remington Mohawk? Ruger?

        • Pete Sheppard

          For a scout, I prefer a fixed magazine, even if they are ‘only’ five rounds. Detachable mags can be lost or damaged.

          • Fred Johnson

            “Detachable mags can be lost or damaged.”

            Tis True.

          • Pete Sheppard

            And if you are in *that* situation, you are stuck with a very clumsy single-shot rifle.

          • Fred Johnson

            Luckily, the GSR can loaded directly into the chamber as the extractor slips right over a cartridge rim quite nicely.. If it weren’t for that big hole where the magazine goes. Ooops dropped another one. 🙂

          • Pete Sheppard

            Yep. Now, try to do it five times, FAST! :p

          • MR

            That’s why I like common, inexpensive mags. So I can keep plenty of spares around.

        • MR

          Because this rifle uses an expensive proprietary mag, making reloading the existing mag quickly desirable. Better if you can reload it quickly without removing it from the rifle.

  • Nimrod

    It’s a bolt action for cripes sake. Who gives a rap it if uses AR mags or not? Unless you are in some sort or range commando fantasy that a high cap mag on a bolt action is even relevant anything.

    • iksnilol

      AR mags are cheap and everyone has them. Besides, for those living in more dangerous areas having 30 rounds instead of 10 is helpful.

      It’s like making a car that takes a proprietary fuel. You are losing money and customers because of it.

      • Yellow Devil

        Well technically the fuel (5.56mm) is the same, it’s just the nozzle is some weird trapezoid shape instead of being universally round.

    • Fred Johnson

      Because a 10 round AR mag is much, much smaller than a Ruger GSR mag that is .308 sized and internally shimmed for .223.

    • Anon

      Actually, Nimrod, it would be nice to use my existing 5- and 10-round AR magazines with the gun instead of having to buy a bunch more. Since the magazine is often the point of failure in any gun, I would want to have no less than four on hand if I was to buy the gun. Four proprietary mags vs. four of my existing (and much cheaper yet proven reliable magazines) makes a significant cost difference.

      • Beju

        Darn right. One can buy all manner of 5-10 round AR magazines for $12-15.

        If the pricing on the Gunsite Scout .308 magazines is any indicator, we’ll be looking at $25-30 each.

    • BeGe1

      Cheap, reliable, tons of research already done into making them work well, tons of variety, can take the mag out of my AR and slap it in my bolt gun and vice versa, can find them anywhere, easier to have multiple in case of malfunction, easier to have multiple to go out hunting in states that require small mag sizes (damned if I’m gonna go coyote hunting with only 5 rounds in mags in total in grizzly bear country, I’m gonna want a couple spares).

      Yeah, I can see how none of that would matter. I can’t see why anyone would want mags that were cheaper, better, and easier to get over ones that are more expensive, worse, and harder to get. (end sarcasm)

  • jrt 82

    The funniest part is, they did not use Mini 14 mags.
    Could have used the tagline, ” 2 Rifles, 1 Mag”.
    But I guess even Ruger does not like Mini 14 mags.

    • JSmath

      Which I find particularly odd, since I and two others I know have had no problems whatsoever with Mini 14 mags.

      They rock in easier and more reliably than AK mags; Obviously a subjective matter, but it seems to be a consistent opinion among the people I’ve met who’ve shot both.

    • james

      Ha ha. Thatis funny. I do not want to own this gun as is. I do not have a bolt 223 rifle so im always in the market. I would buy it if it took mini 14 mags (i have a mini). But the ability to accept ar mags would probably appeal to most gun owners.

  • Fred Johnson

    Hey Ruger. I wanted this in 7.62×39.

    Why?

    It performs well out of short barrels.

    It would be fitting of a gun with open sights and/or a low powered “scout” scope for relatively short range shooting.

    Won’t gain weight due to smaller bore.

    The GSR isn’t a varmint rig.

    Oh yeah, design the bolt to feed from Mini 30 mags. You don’t even need to shrink the action length, just resize the mag well.

    Please.

    • DaveP.

      Plus it’s legal for deer, whereas .223 isn’t in many states.

    • iksnilol

      Rather make it take AK mags.

      Also a SKS stripper clip guide would be nice.

    • Where does this reputation that 7.62×39 performs well from short barrels come from? It suffers more or less to the same degree as any other rifle cartridge designed for 20″ barrels.

    • MR

      Not a be-all/end-all solution, but McAce offers a chamber insert to convert a 308 rifle to 7.62×39. Some creative shimming might proffer a functional mag.

      • Fred Johnson

        Good point! I have one of those adapters in .32 ACP. I have thought about the 7.62×39, but didn’t want to loctite it into the chamber. It might be worth a shot converting one of the polymer Ruger mags.

        Hmmmmmm.

    • G2

      Just rebarrel it to 300 Blackout, problem solved.

  • DaveP.

    The good: It’s light, handy, and can be adjusted to different lengths of pull. .223 and 5.56 are cheap and easy to come by (at least these days). Built-in forward scope rail. Very little recoil. Would make a good first-rifle or practice tool.
    The bad: It’s expensive for what it does. Proprietary mags, which are much bigger than they need to be. .223 isn’t legal for deer in many states nor is it safe for bear or boar, which means utility as a “hiking gun” is limited. Can’t take advantage of the humongous AR aftermarket.
    Possibilities: With a conversion to 6.8 or one of the other “AR conversion” calibers, this would have a lot more potential.

  • Beju

    Ruger being Ruger, I’m not surprised that it takes proprietary mags, but I am surprised that it doesn’t take Mini-14 magazines.

    • J-

      Yeah, I agree with you on this. I don’t mind it not using AR mags, if that was critical I would buy a Mossberg MVP Patrol. But to limit the gun to 10 rounds is foolish. They should have made is use Mini-14 mags.

  • El Duderino

    How long until the folks in CA and NY start calling this an assault rifle?

    • Rusty Shackleford

      Has the term “assault sniper rifle” been trademarked yet?

  • J-

    Now that I have looked at the Ruger website, this is a total dud. It uses a .308 length action so is way overbuilt for the .223. Combined with the proprietary magazines and high price, the Mossberg MVP Patrol looks like a heck of a better deal.

  • RickH

    “a must-have backup/survivalist rifle”……..isn’t that what cheap AR’s are for?

    • BeGe1

      Cheap AR’s aren’t usually particularly accurate compared to cheap bolt actions.

  • An Interested Person

    As much as I love the Ruger GSR… $80 for a mag is disgusting.

    While I am sure it does cost an amount to produce each mag, they are criminally incompetent if it costs the company more than $50 to produce a single freaking magazine. And it is a shame people keep buying them at that price.

    • Jim_Macklin

      Shop Ruger retail sales has a “plastic” .308 Win. 10-Round Magazine
      Item # 90355

      $39.95
      Expect they will have same in 5.56 before Christmas.

  • Sulaco

    You have to remember that Ruger Inc. has a long history of refusing to sell anything
    other than 10 round mags or less to peasants. Old man Ruger was quoted as
    saying “Nobody needs more than 10 round mags”…except the government. Witness their internal restriction on Mini 14 mags for citizens over 10 rounds.

    • schizuki

      Ruger sells Mini-14s with 20-round mags. They also sell the mags separately.

      • Sulaco

        Yes they do now, but for years they refused.

        • Jim_Macklin

          I bought a Mini14 in 1976. I also bought several 20 round factory magazine at $8 @ from Ruger spare parts as listed in the old owner’s manual. In ’76 the Mini14 retailed for $200.
          Trying to make a light weight rifle, Ruger used a light weight barrel profile and the guns hung a lot of parts on the barrel, making accuracy in the 2-4 inch range.

    • thebackwoods

      I have 5 or 6 of the 20 round Mini 14 magazines, they are available but they are also proud of them also. I only have 1 10 round Mini 14 magazine and it was given to me by a friend that no longer owns a Mini 14.

    • MR

      A long history, but Bill is no longer with us and current policy has evolved. Heck, they’re making straight-up ARs now!

    • Jim_Macklin

      Actually he said 15 rounds, trying to protect the P85 9mm. But once you accept the premise that a certain number of rounds is dangerous and evil, you have lost the argument.
      If you are killing innocent people, one round is too many, if you are defending your life or te lives of others, 30 rounds might not be enough.
      But once he accepted 15, the 10 round limit passed. Just to show how government works, SKS 10 round stripper clips are banned from importation. As was the 20 round Chinese fixed magazine for the SKS.

    • Chase Buchanan

      Bill Ruger thought he could save his company by throwing his lot in with Clinton and letting him take out the competition. Since he died, the company has been doing everything they can to distance themselves from him and his treachery.

  • USMC03Vet

    30 round bolt action magazine?

    Gonna need a nap after.

  • valorius

    Vastly over priced.

  • Chris S

    Like this rifle, but really can’t justify the cost of the magazines. Until them come WAY down in price or the after market picks up I’m going to have to pass.

  • thebackwoods

    I was hoping it would use the Mini 14 magazines, I already have a Ruger Model 77 Mk2 in 223 with a 26 inch target barrel and laminated stock that weighs about 9lbs. I guess I will pass on Rugers latest greatest idea!! I might just trade the target rifle in on a competitors 260 Remington.

  • Bubba

    Fuck Ruger !

  • derfelcadarn

    Why waste money on a “rifle” in is caliber ? In .308 you would own a real gun, in .223 may as well go Nerf.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    I would have really preferred to have both the .308 and .223 Ruger Scout rifles be able to accept SR-25 and AR-15 mags respectively. That feature alone makes me choose the Mossberg over the Ruger. The funny thing is that during SHOT 2014 when the .308 Mossberg MVP came out, I emailed Ruger asking if they had plans on releasing a Scout that accepts AR-10 or SR-25 mags which they said no. I then replied that if they ever release a 5.56 version that they should make it accept AR-15 mags over the b.s. proprietary ones if they want it to sell well.

  • Jim_Macklin

    What is the reason for a “scout rifle” according to Cooper? A full power do it all rifle, usable for hunting any game, defending against any threat.
    The 5.56×45/.223 Remington does not fill Col. Cooper’s description. The 308 Gunsite Scout does.
    The fact is the 5.56×45 is a better small game rifle, up to deer than the 7.62×51, and women and small men will likely prefer the lower recoil.
    Mossberg has a patented bolt to allow AR magazines to function, Ruger doesn’t.
    Ruger’s selection of 8 inch twist is a good choice, they should do that with their SR556.
    The Gunsite Scout is NOT a long range varmint rifle, it is a compromise. In a survival situation, a manual bolt action has advantages when it comes to stealth and brass retention.
    As for weight, the .223 barrel has more steel than a .308 if the outside dimensions are the same.
    I have a friend who owns a 7.62 Gunsite Scout and the bolt and receiver need so careful, knowledgeable polishing of the cocking cams to reduce bolt lift forces.

    • Fred Johnson

      Yep, a new GSR may need hundreds of bolt cycles with some dry firing thrown in to smooth things out. During that process, lube it, cycle it until dirty, clean, lube, and cycle it some more. It needs the dry firing so you can work the cocking cam.

      • Jim_Macklin

        A gunsmith or knowledgeable rifleman would use a fine grit diamond hone on the bolt and rear receiver bridge camming surfaces and probbably used some 1000 grit valve grinding compound to lap the cocking and extraction ramming surfaces, being carefull to clean and remove all the lapping compound.
        The bolt and raceways, being careful to not put any compound on te locking lugs or their recesses
        Bolt lift and cocking should drop to a low number and operation should be smooth.
        When doing this sort of a tune-up, remove the trigger and the extractor.

  • J.S.T.

    Mossberg is selling 10x more MVP rifles than they anticipated. Is Ruger?

  • mike

    Agree with the comments regarding 7.62×39. I would like to see a budget rifle in this caliber.

    • Mystick

      That’s what the SKS is for….

  • Jahred@AGS

    Actually the Ruger Polymer 10rd. .308 retail for less than 35.00….

    If you opt to buy the AI steel mags, yep… Those are 80 bucks… The poly mags are solid performers though.

  • SkyntT800

    Thank you for being the first person NOT on Ruger’s payroll. Every other review on the 223 GSR is sugar coating everything Riger did wrong. And to confirm what you wrote above: No its not a typo, the gun IS heavier because they used the same blank barrels as the 308 and then gave them a smaller bore. Hence more metal, more weight. So congratularions Ruger. You’ve successfully made a 223 Heavier than a 308.

  • charles

    Buy a Mossberg – it takes AR15 magazines and they have a long and short version. When will Ruger wake up and use magazines that are popular and available in the mass marketplace? A bare faced self-marketing enhancement?

    • Mystick

      They were spoiled on the 10/22 and Mini-14 magazine ubiquity.

  • Dan The Man

    I own and love the .308 GSR and was looking forward to a 223/5.56 scout rifle even though Cooper is probably turning in grave. My two issues with this rifle are the two reasons why I wanted it, I was hoping it would be lighter and I was really hoping they worked it out so it would take mini14 mags or AR mags. I’m sure its going to be a stout little rifle but I’ll probably never find out. Sorry Ruger, I’m a fan but this was a mistake.

    • Fred Johnson

      I agree. When you have the .308, I can’t think of any reason to pay the same amount of money for the same gun in .223.

      Now, for anyone that doesn’t have the .308, then maybe so. Maybe so.

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    So its not accurate enough for varmint hunting in its Scout configuration, doesn’t have enough oomph for big game, takes a proprietary magazine in a world of Pmags, and weighs as much as any AR you’d normally carry around with 1/3 the magazine capacity. Who thought this was a good idea?

    Quick, Ruger! Save yourself some embarassment and rechamber it to .300 Blackout and stealth it in matte black or rechamber it in 7.62×39. Either one will keep this thing from being the next Ruger PC40 or 96/44.

  • Southpaw

    The reason I am going to buy this one over the MVP is that I am Left handed, Mossberg doesn’t make a MVP for the southpaw. I am fine paying more for extra mags.

  • Chase Buchanan

    It really isn’t the worst thing ever that it won’t take AR-15 magazines. Sure it’d be great if the gun used such a ubiquitous magazine, but it isn’t the easiest thing to make a stagger-feeding bolt-action rifle, and besides, an AR-type magazine release isn’t exactly the best one ever invented, especially for a bolt gun.

    Now, that doesn’t mean it’s not silly that the magazines will cost so much. Maybe there’s some reason that Ruger charges so much for them, but I’d like to know what it is. And why on Earth wouldn’t they use a lighter barrel blank?

  • floppyscience

    Neither magazines for the Scout rifles are proprietary. The .308 uses AI magazines, and the 5.56mm uses Accurate-Mags. Yes, both are pricey, but neither are Ruger’s proprietary design. They both existed before and Ruger just chose them.

    Knowing this makes the magazine choice even more mind-boggling as Ruger doesn’t have a monopoly on their sale.

    Edit: Oh, also for anyone wondering, the 5.56 Accurate-Mags are $70 retail.

    http://store.accurate-mag.com/accurate-mag-products-223-caliber-10rd-dssf-magazine.aspx