Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • bbmg

    Nice to see some appreciation for the 22LR. Reminded me of a recorded incident where the round was used to stop a car chase, albeit fired from a submachinegun:

    (some potentially NSFW illustraions)

    http://www.firearmsworld.net/usa/smg/american180/22a.jpg

    http://www.firearmsworld.net/usa/smg/american180/22.jpg

    http://www.firearmsworld.net/usa/smg/american180/carlton.jpg

    http://www.firearmsworld.net/usa/smg/american180/24.jpg

    “We understand that the American 180 was used (in the line of duty) on
    two occasions. One undocumented use allegedly occurred in Utah. We have
    no additional information regarding this incident. In regards to the
    second, we now know that it occurred in Lauderhill Florida on November
    24 1974 by Police Officer Mike Gillo, along with his partner Gary P.
    Jones. Mike fired approximately 40 rounds from his laser equipped
    American 180 through the rear window of a fleeing 1974 Camaro occupied
    by two robbery suspects, after the suspect in the passenger seat fired
    at Gary. Gary fired his shotgun at the fleeing auto. However, all the
    buck shot managed to miss both occupants. Shortly after, the Camaro was
    located with one suspect slumped over in the passenger seat dead from
    multiple .22 caliber slugs in the back. The driver, who fled and was
    later apprehended alive, also had several .22 caliber wounds in his
    back.”

  • Dan

    That’s 37 PSR Gunclub just birth of Ft. Bragg, if your in NC you need to check it out.

    • Nicholas C

      Aww, I am in Cary, NC for work. No time to check it out and I didnt bring my toys with me to play.

  • iksnilol

    What people don’t know about .22 LR is that is surpisingly good at going through things.

    • supergun

      I was shoot a piece of metal with my 45. It made a big bubble. The Ruger 10-22 went clean through the metal.

      • BeGe1

        I’ve seen similar. Used to shoot holes in burning barrels to let water drain out after rain, would but a .22lr through them every time. One day had a 9mm on me, figured it’d make even better holes. Wrong…dents.

        • supergun

          Every American should have at least one 22 rifle and pistol. Plus about 5,000 rounds.

    • Zebra Dun

      My Dad had a buddy from his childhood, a World War two vet of Paratroopers who was a deputy sheriff. one day he was delivering a summons to this old elderly codger who for shits and giggles or dementia maybe even meanness shot his .22 lr rifle through the wooden door. Deputy Thomas was standing in front of the door about a foot away and every shot but one missed, that one though went through the door and through the Deputy and on across the yard never to be found or seen again, putting him in serious condition and he almost died! He was disabled from that point on due to the little bullet clipping his lungs, heart and nicking his spine. He never worked again for sure and was not well after for a long time. This was a combat vet too, used to hardship and wounds.
      The old codger went to jail for a few months before the nursing home claimed him, nope, back before Bullet proof vest them days was.
      I am always amazed at what stops a .22 lr as well as what it will go plumb through and then some.

  • Paul Yak

    What a beautiful rifle set-up. I like the fact it doesn’t recoil at all it seems. Always liked .22LRs but everybody looks at it as if its a TOY. It most certainly is NOT in the right hands.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      Well said. The tiny .22LR cartridge might LOOK toy-like, but the terminal effect it can have on a target when properly used is anything but.

      • A .22 LR can be deadly. In fact during my years in police work I’ve probably worked more shooting involving a 22 than any other caliber.

        • go4it

          No big surprise that “harmless” .22LR bullets – fired from a semi-automatic pistol – have been the long-time favorite for “send a message” hits by organized crime. Most targets are just a bit over arm’s length away and after the first shot – almost anywhere – stuns the victim, the next 2, 3 or 4 in the head finishes the job on a “hit-n-run” contract. But the classical, stereotype “hit” however – hands bound behind the back, body found in the trunk of an abandoned car – were still likely done by a couple of .22 rounds to the skull …..

          Cheap. And with a silencer, relatively quiet.

    • go4it

      It’s WAY past time we look at *any* projectile fired as “a toy”! The mis-conception that a .22LR – to some nin-com-poops – is barely a weak step up from a pellet gun or something – is frightening; I hear sales people at ammunition counters say dumb stuff like that all the time. Look: If something can poke a serious hole in you, it’s a bullet to be taken seriously. It’s all about accurate aiming – but something like a CCI MiniMag at less than 200 yards – can create a one-shot fatal wound in a human, and rather easily, in fact. You do NOT want any holes in your that your body that you weren’t born with! EVER!

      • iksnilol

        CCI MiniMag is not that good due to going transsonic way before the 200 meter mark.

        CCI standard velocity is way better if you want to hit at distance. It will still penetrate at farther distances.

        • go4it

          Using the simple energy equation from physics – F = M x A – I’m not sure a consideration of transonic flow matters much. If it did, I’m pretty sure that CCI would make necesary corrections in velocity via the amount or type of propellant (gunpowder) used.

          • iksnilol

            Energy doesn’t have anything to do with what I said. Quite simply when a bullet goes transsonic it wobbles and accuracy goes out the window.

      • DiverEngrSL17K

        Very well put.

  • DiverEngrSL17K

    A good, solid test with excellent, comprehensive results. They achieved all this with CCI Standard Velocity rounds — very good ammunition, but not the best-performing. It would have been really something if they had used CCI Velocitor, which has a much higher MV and ME, CCI Stinger or CCI Mini-Mags for comparison purposes. Perhaps next time around as a follow-up in a series?

    • Nicholas C

      Wow, those results are amazing. I would not have believed it.

      • DiverEngrSL17K

        I almost forgot, someone else did a series of long-range tests with .22LR ( also posted on YouTube ) to determine the accuracy and penetration of the round at 300-400 yards. Properly dialed in for windage, elevation and bullet drop, the .22LR proved amazingly accurate at those ranges even in a stiff, gusty cross-wind ( possibly the worst kind of wind from a ballistic standpoint ). What was even more surprising was the level of penetration even at that distance — I think it was on the order of at least 5″- 6″ in hard, semi-frozen solid cuts of beef.

        There are other very long-range videos out there documenting accurate shot placement with scoped .22LR rifles at ranges up to 500 or 600 yards, and we are talking about things like consistently ringing the standard steel gong at those ranges, or putting 4 sequential shots in a 4″ circle at 400 yards. No mean feat by any standards for a full-power cartridge with ballistically-superior tapered boat-tailed bullets, let alone a tiny round-nosed or hollow-point rimfire bullet like the .22LR.

        • Zachary marrs

          That was Iraqveteran8888, they have lots of cool vids

          • DiverEngrSL17K

            Thanks, Zachary — I believe you are correct. There are also a lot of other videos documenting similar results with .22LR.

        • bbmg

          It’s worth remembering that the Russians actually deploy a 22LR rifle for urban combat, the SV-99: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/sv99-e.html

          ” If a target is closer than 100 meters, You don’t have to defeat a
          ballistic jacket. An exposed neck, face or head is just enough!”

  • Limonata

    Would this not make sense? You have a lot of force concentrated on a small spot, much like an ice pick vs. a hammer head. There is a video on YouTube where someone off the street to try to break auto glass with a hammer and they are unable to do so. Then use what I believe was a spark plug and glass completely shatters.

    • Andrew R

      Spark plug insulators break windows because the ceramic is so hard, not because of the area the force is applied to.

  • Blammo

    Gimme the .17 HMR any day.

  • Zachary marrs

    The 10/22 td.
    All it needs is a new trigger and tech sights

  • Zebra Dun

    I read a test in snipershide blog years ago where a fellow took a frozen fowl a chicken I believe and shot it at 300 yards with a .22 lr.
    The damage it inflicted was sobering for anyone who thought a .22 lr was a pip squeak round at that range.
    It will hurt you badly at 300 yards, you might even die from blood loss or gangrene later!

  • Haha, amazing.