Shanghai SWAT Training

Shanghai swat

This video says it is Shaghai SWAT. However the commentator is speaking Mandarin. Not unusual but Shanghainese is the main spoken dialect of the region. Linguistics aside, this officer is running on a wrapped ankle and is getting all his shots. 120 secs par time seems a bit long for only 10 steel targets. Steel Challenge or USPSA shooters could probably do this much faster. He is using a Type 79.

 

In this video, the officers are using what looks like a Type JS 9mm bullpup PDW

type JS

 



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • James

    Actually, it’s common/standard to speak Mandarin in non-informal settings in Shanghai. While I’m not familiar with the military practices, police do default to Mandarin in pretty much all of China.

    • Nicholas C

      Not in Hong Kong.

      • Ominae

        Also in Macau. But the two SARs allow Mandarin alongside English acne Portuguese. Also, agree with James. Even when I had to go to Xiamen, I found people who don’t speak the local dialect.

      • Adam aka eddie d.

        Nick, a bit of info on China: I studied Chinese for years, was on a scholarship right next to Shanghai, also several of my friends lived there and all over the country for a years. Shanghainese do speak putonghua (the official name of “mandarin”), very understandable I might add, which is quite a luxury compared to surrounding “smaller” cities such as Ningbo.
        Generally, they also speak Shanghai hua, but it’s only trouble if you’re talking to elderly people etc. Shanghai hua has a few traits that may cause you trouble, like some words and expressions they use differently (that is dialect), but usually the only important difference is just using a lot of “s” instead of “sh” (which is an accent matter).
        For example Shanghai hua in Shanghainese manner will be Sanghai hua (phonetically in English: sung-hi-hwaa).

        The official standpoint of Chinese politics is the use of “mandarin” everywhere from talent shows through military-related stuff to news.
        Reality is, in its tought “chemically clean” form, almost no one speaks it 🙂 (other than the news commentator ladies), that’s why they subtitle everything, but with some alterations (mostly pronunciation) you can find it in a lot of places.

        The “dirrty South” is a different story 🙂 , but Cantonese was always a whole other ballgame.
        They also use traditional hanzi (characters), like Taiwanese or the Chinese community in Singapore.

        Well, that’s Chinese in a nutshell.
        Hope I could help! 🙂

        • Timothy G. Yan

          Interesting note for you: when the Chinese overthrown the Manchu dynasty in 1911, the newly founded Republic was met the 1st time to choose an official language. The finalists are Mandarin and Cantonese. Since Mandarin (and sub-dialect) speakers out number the Cantonese speakers, Mandarin was selected. Somewhat similar to the US after the American Independent, when German was suggested by some as the official government language.

          • Adam aka eddie d.

            Thanks for the info Tim, interesting!
            The existence of “class room” putonghua/mandarin (and simplified characters) is quite a God-sent in China, as well as a necessity IMO.
            The very reason why waiguoren like me can survive there. 🙂
            (Though there were a lot of instances when I tried to bargain on the market and they wouldn’t understand a word from my “fancy” mandarin. 🙂 )
            It makes life easier even for locals from what I’ve seen (official facilities etc.) .
            You know what they say: as many villages, so many languages. 🙂

            Yeah, I’ve heard about the German affair in the US.
            I was quite shocked when I first read this fact.
            (I’m from Europe, maybe for US locals it’s a more commonly known fact.)

          • Riverstown

            Good point, Timothy. A lot of non-Chinese also don’t understand that even “Mandarin” is a very arbitrary, non-specific term. Properly, Putonghua is “standard Mandarin” for official/general use in Mainland China. Almost all government/military/police people speak it, though some are a lot better in their native dialects. Even down in Guangdong (Canton), it’s become the working language of business in major cities, along side Cantonese. It’s based on Beijinghua (Beijing dialect) of beifenghua (broad northern Chinese dialect). Even Beijinghua itself isn’t exactly the same as Putonghua. In Taiwain, they teach a slightly different version, also based on Beijinghua, and call it Guoyu. Of course, lots and lots of Taiwanese speak Taiwanyu, which is basically a dialect of Min Nan…not closely related to Beijinghua at all. Singaporeans…don’t really speak Chinese 😛 They also don’t really speak English. :PP Luckily, written Chinese just has two versions for all of the many dialects, and even those two are mostly the same characters.

        • Kevin

          Just a small correction, Singaporean Chinese uses simplified Chinese.

          • jcitizen

            When my relatives came from Germany to the US, they insisted on learning English, and even bought and paid for their own schools to accelerate this process. My great grandfather went to two schools – one a regular local school and one a German school. Ironically only English was allowed to be spoken in the German school. Now nobody seems to think it is important to learn English at all, and we are reduced to “Second language” status – To my long ago relatives this would have been heresy. Now, even my cousins in Germany speak better English than I do!!!

      • Shanghainese

        Suggesting it’s odd a video for Shanghai SWAT isn’t narrated in Shanghainese is like saying it’s odd a video for NYC police isn’t narrated with a NY accent.

  • KestrelBike

    Oooooh baby, chinese manufactured 9mm action right on the cheek.

  • guest

    Runs like a slow f*ggot, shoots like one too.

    • Morgan

      Jealous?

    • A guest

      I think it’s worth mentioning that they immediately fail the test if they miss, so I suppose that being a “slow f*ggot” probably helps some.

    • gggplaya

      Why the random hate? Swat should also practice precision, not just pure speed.

    • Guest

      Looks like if he has only one leg. Is his right
      leg a prosthesis?

    • dan

      Tier 1 operator right there^ his beard so high speed low drag it makes a man out of you just looking at it, now if we could all not be f*ggots like our friend “guest” (obviously anon because he’s delta) we wouldn’t need a military.

      • Cymond

        FWIW, when a logged-in Disqus user attempts to delete a comment, the comment often remains but is changed to “guest”.

  • Matrix3692

    the Type 79 is a SMG……

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Flags everyone there from bystanders to camera man.

    • iksnilol

      Americans are really the whiniest when it comes to “don’t point guns at me, bro”. Not intended as an insult but if he has his finger off the trigger and has managed to become SWAT I doubt he will shoot something that doesn’t need shooting (from his perspective).

      Sure, I don’t like pointing guns pointed at me but I don’t freak out. Just like with snakes, remain calm and GTFO.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        I need to remember when I’m on a PC to look in Disqus for an ignore list.

      • Bill

        Muzzle me up and you won’t hear any whining. You won’t hear anything for about 30 seconds, until the brachial stun wears off. It’ll be delivered fast and accurately, because we train not to freak out when guns are pointed at us, but to get them pointed away from us as efficiently as possible

        Running, on a bad ankle, which would increase the chances of tripping, towards a van, that I don’t know who is in, with what appears to be an apartment or office building in the background. Not in the USA.

        • iksnilol

          First paragraph I get, some vague macho threat.

          The second paragraph I don’t understand that much.

          • Bill

            If you think that’s vague, and you don’t understand the second paragraph, I wouldn’t trust you with a squirt gun.

  • Phil Hsueh

    If the time taken is in reference to the first video then the guy has to be forgiven for being a little slow because he is running on a bum ankle, that’s bound to slow anybody down. Plus, I don’t think that it’s entirely fair to compare him to a US competitive shooter since I don’t think that US shooting comps make the shooter run 50 yards (or however far it was) then bak after every shot.

    One last thing, it should be SWAT, not Swat, because it’s an acronym so every letter gets capitalized.

  • stimr2

    Cool videos. Good to see more Asian law enforcement shooting videos.
    Here are some more video.

    South Korean SWAT shooting demo.

    Thai SWAT (I think it’s Thai)

    • educatedman76

      Fantastic Training!

  • Lance

    Type 79 is not a rifle its a 7.62×25 SMG.

  • Shanghaiese is a dialect of Mandarin and mutually intelligible to speaker of either. As opposed to Cantonese. Similarly, the Beijing dialect of Mandarin is Mandarin and intelligible to a speaker of standard Mandarin from China, Taiwan, or Singapore.

    • YDS

      Shanghainese is most definitely not a dialect of Mandarin. It is a Wu dialect/language

    • Shanghainese

      just to reiterate, you’re dead wrong.

  • jason

    At least the guys in the second vid have their weapons chamber empty and actually are demonstrating modern tactical shooting stances and bringing their weapons to the ready…except the for the 10 second mark where they did this weird turn their heads at the threat to indicate they are ready to shoot and then shoot.

    • BuzzKillington

      I have no idea what you’re talking about. What is the relevance of empty chambers regarding either of these two videos? There were some odd things, but I saw no major safety offenses. Those JS’s are open bolt bullpups. The bolt being locked back and no visible round doesn’t mean they’re not condition 1, ready to fire. Would have been the fastest people in the world had they been shooting closed bolt weapons; starting from a locked back chamber, releasing the bolt, and firing all at the same time.

  • Peter B

    I used to know someone, a serious Tae Kwan Do player, who was a paramedic staged on site at a state visit involving the South Koreans. Thought some of the South Koreans security types looked familiar from various competitions. Mentioned it to one of the Secret Service shooters in the same room. Was told “yep. And if you’re in the same room with them when something goes down, hit the floor. They shoot first and ask questions later.”

    Also note the difference between the way Seoul’s riot police operate and the typical approach in the US.

  • Willshortly

    Several years ago I trained with two SWAT primary firearms instructors from Shanghai.
    Great guys, outstanding instructors and tough as nails.
    We were training with Simunitions and one scenario involved a car stop that called for the back seat passenger to show but not fire a pistol.
    Both of them unloaded on the role player. When questioned about their actions they. Said ” That’s how we do it in Shanghai.”
    No argument there but we had difficulty getting volunteers to be the bad guys for them.
    The class, as a whole, learned a lot from those two guys.

    • Riverstown

      One of my in-laws is a firearms division police officer in China and did a lot of training with the Shanghai (and Beijing) instructors, particularly their hostage rescue and domestic terrorism people. I got very much the same impression about them – highly professional, very serious, on-point guys. They train hard, and expect the same from the people they work with. One of them told a story about how they trained a group of Chinese teachers from various districts in China who were going on an international exchange program for 1-3 years. The teachers, mostly 20s-30s women, were put through the wringer, with mock kidnappings, assaults, and basic martial arts. The high point came when 5 teachers were “abducted” without warning in the middle of the night from their dorm. The instructors came in, blindfolded them, drove them around the area for about an hour, then “locked” them in a supply room (actually in the same dorm, but the teachers had no idea) overnight. I think two of them quit the program in tears after that. Rather a pity, since they missed the teachers’ talent show the next week in the training program. (I know, I know. China…)