Palestinian Weapons Cache – Including Improvised Weapons!

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IDFblog reports that during an operation about a month ago, IDF forces raided a Palestinian weapons cache in Judea and Samaria, finding several improvised weapons and what appears to be a shop dedicated to constructing them. While not an arsenal by the standards of most of our readers, the improvised weapons include what appear to be Luty pattern or similar submachine guns sporting AR-15 pistol grips:

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Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • yasser arafat

    If the Palestinians in the KZ known as Gaza want kick-ass weapons they need to control the US Congress via an organization like AIPAC and then we would send them billions in “foreign aid”, turn a blind eye when they steal our weapons technology, and gladly ship them the latest weapons systems we won’t sell to any other country in the world. Viva Bibi!

    • Cameron

      Or even allow them to have nuclear weapons that they have used to threaten the middle east and Europe with.

    • schizuki

      What part of “No politics” is confusing you two knuckle draggers?

      • A.g.

        Weapons are ALWAYS politics. Always.

        • John

          No, weapons are inanimate objects.

          • iksnilol

            Yes, but it is politics when the case is about homemade resistance weapons in an occupied territory. You can’t really claim no politics on that.

          • David Sharpe

            It’s showing homemade guns, it’s not supporting either side….

          • Which is why we felt it was ok to post.

          • How very true.

        • dan citizen

          My saiga-12 is a member of the green party, my 10/22 is a pretty hardcore neocon republican and oddly enough my old single barrel shotgun is a progressive democrat. So basically my gun safe is Portland.

        • n0truscotsman

          Then head the fuck over to Thefirearmblog or any other firearm blog that discusses the two together. ————–>

        • No they aren’t. Guns are tools and as John said an inanimate object.

    • tom

      The leach state theory – Isn’t that nice. You should google how much is the ‘foreign aid’ out of Israel’s entire budget. Oh, and 85% must be spent purchasing from US defense contractors. While you were able to open search engine you can look over how many joint US – Israel military projects there are currently – Didn’t know collaboration is now considered stealing.

  • big daddy

    So that’s where all those discarded AR pistol grips go!!! They probably found them in an Israeli garbage dump.

  • sianmink

    A straight razor. Nice.

  • Eric S

    The SMGs kinda remind me of those Encom Enfield .45 pistols. Some decent craftsmanship.

  • ben shawerma

    The terms Judea and Samaria are Israeli terms for the west bank, otherwise known as the occupied territories, or Palestine.

    The article would read somewhat differently if it started like this:

    Jewish forces attacked a Palestinian weapons factory in Palestine, finding several locally-manufactured weapons

    • MDayan

      Judea and Samaria are the geographical names used from antiquity until the Romans defeated the Jewish rebellions of 70 and 135 CE, expelled most of the Jewish population and renamed the area “Palaestina,” in order to erase the memory of the Jewish independent State, the only indigenous independent nation to ever rule the area to this day. The Turks occupied the area from 1517-1917 at which time they lost their empire in the Allies WWI victory. As the ruling parties, the British and French invented a bunch of countries in the Levant and installed Arab Kings to rule them. The area of “Palestine” known as Southern Syria and an undeveloped backwater in the Turkish caliphate was awarded to the Jewish people as a matter of law and encompassed the land between the Med. and the western border of the invented Iraq. In 1922, the Brits broke off the eastern portion of Palestine and invented Transjordan, placing King Abdullah on the throne, while the western portion was left for a Jewish National Home. To make a long story (1922-1947) short, after Israel defeated the local Arab irregulars led by one Kaukji and declared its independence as “Israel,” Arab armies from over 5 countries invaded. The Arab Legion of Transjordan, lead by a British major, John “Pasha” Glubb and officered by Brits with modern arms, including tanks, was the only “Arab” army to stand against the IDF and it conquered Judea and Samaria, absorbing the territory into Transjordan, necessitating a name change of the country (since it was no longer “trans” the Jordan river) to The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. The only countries in the world to recognize Jordan’s annexation of J.&S. were Muslim Pakistan and Colonial Great Britain. King Abdullah was prepared to sign a peace treaty with Israel, so naturally, he was assassinated. Between 1948 and 1967, when J & S were occupied by Jordan and Gaza by Egypt no Arab Palestine was established, because no one believed that there was any such thing as a “Palestinian” people. The idea of a nation-state is a Western concept foreign to the Arabs and imposed upon them. Arabs always felt they belonged to some large “Arab Nation,” by the primary identification was with family, clan and tribe. Note how today, the nation-states invented by the Euro colonialists are collapsing into chaos and into tribal and religious sectarian war. In 1967 Egypt, Syria and Jordan (along with contingents from Iraq, Saudi Arabia and others) launched a self-described war of “extermination” against Israel. Surrounded by self-declared enemy states well-armed with British, French and Soviet weapons, Israel refrained from waiting for the Egyptian and Syrian armies to strike first. They launched a daring air war and destroyed the Egyptian air force in six hours and the Syrian air force shortly thereafter. After Jordan shelled Jerusalem with over 10,000 shells, Israel reluctantly launched an air and ground war against Jordan and liberated the territories occupied by Jordan and Egypt (Gaza, J. & S.) as well as occupying the Golan escarpment from which the Syrians had been dug in and shelling Israeli farmers below, for many years. In 1965, the Arab terror group Fatah that had been established in 1958 (!) launched its first terror attack on Israel’s national water carrier. After 1967, the “Palestinian” people were suddenly discovered to exist. From that time, the word “Palestinian” has sadly always been associated with “terrorist.” Enuff for now. Ben, eat your schwarma and stop trolling internet sites to spread your lies and calumnies.

    • MANG

      I agree. The rest of the world except for Israel currently calls those areas Gaza and the West Bank, “Judea” and “Samaria” is kind of a propaganda thing.

      • MANG

        (Pardon me – just the West Bank.)

      • MDayan

        Quite to the contrary. Check any school atlas published in the 1950’s or actually prior to 1967. They tell the truth.

  • 1leggeddog

    Pssh! Amateurs!

    They should look at Australia! See all their anti-gun laws and how well their illegal arms are manufactured inside their own country. It’s quite a sight of inginuity!

    Be cause we all know that making something illegal always works. lol

  • yasser arafat

    Once someone starts using the IDFblog as a source of info the line has been crossed.

    • Sulaco

      The only line that’s been crossed is allowing anti-Semites on this blog.

      • dan citizen

        And astro-turfers.

      • iksnilol

        Am I an anti-semite for decrying murder, war crimes and illegal occupation?

        I bet most of you don’t even know what the word “semite” means.

        • Guest

          You’re right! Jews back to Europe, in planes this time 🙂 – Illegal occupation all that (So many Jews in Gaza). Just like the Nazi war crimes calling civilians prior to bombing. The Semite definition is irrelevant since it has been proven it refers for Jews. A good example is the Arab leader of Jerusalem during the WWII who was an avid Anti-Semite who even held meetings with Hitler and was even rumored to be an honorary Nazi party member.

          • iksnilol

            So it is okay to bomb someone as long as you tell them first? Completely ignoring the fact that these people can’t leave.

            Proven by whom? According to my dictionary(Merriam-Webster):

            1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples 2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language

            My closing comment will be how ridicilous it is to consider a religion an entire people. I probably won’t comment more on this since I respect the writers of this blog (If you know where we can discuss it would be sorta nice).

          • ToMaZi

            So the videos showing civilians fleeing after the bombing intensified is also an Israeli lie? Boy those media controlling Jews are everywhere… Even in Al-Jazeera…

            Here’s a Human Rights lawyer explaining your alleged ‘war crimes’: memritv*org/clip/en/4343 Don’t be startled by his ‘Semitic’ language, he’s just the PALESTINIAN envoy to the UNHRC.

            I agree with his opening comments that Israel performs other Human Rights violations towards the Palestinians (The right for free travel, The right for self definition), but people like you chose to alter reality and sway everyone else from a proper dialogue and just spew lies.

            As stated in my previous comment the definition for Semites is irrelevant since others were referring to ‘Antisemitism’, which is not what you would like it to be (Honestly, open Wikipedia).

            My closing comment is that you should look up the definition ‘Tribal Religion’ – You’ve just excluded the Druze, Zulu and others with your Antisemitic views.

          • Thank you—-

        • Joshua Madoc

          We’re all anti-semites once we criticize a Jewish person for taking advantage of the Holocaust to grab pretty much everyone by the balls and extort everyone for everything lest they dob on muscles even at the most polite of refusals. It’s pretty much the Wounded Gazelle Gambit but with guns.

          Just watch, I’ll probably get castrated in the comments here just for saying all that. Better enslave yourself to sympathy lest you get arrested for being apathetic.

          • Name

            No, you’re right – that’s not a generalized misconception at all…

      • My semites can beat up your semites!

      • David Sharpe

        Both of you, firearms, not politics.

      • Agreed and we don’t—-sooo

    • David Sharpe

      Firearms, not politics.

      Do you consider using the TSABlog as supporting the TSA? No? Then zip it.

      • I hope so. I’ve been forced to ban some today. He’s one of them by the way.

        • David Sharpe

          I wonder if he thinks the similar story out of Australia means you support Aussie Bikie gangs..

  • jans

    How are they improvised when they clearly have a factory to make similar pieces?

    Using terms “improvised weapon” and “dedicated workshop” is contradictory.

    • David Sharpe

      I think the thought behind “improvised” is the fact that it’s not a factory such as Ruger or S&W, or is it a planned out design.

    • patrickiv

      I guess because it’s illegal there, they don’t have access to ideal materials/tooling. They have to work with whatever they can get their hands on.

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  • UnrepentantLib

    Not too surprising. Before independence, when Palestine was controlled by the British, the Jewish settlers set up clandestine shops manufacturing Sten guns.

    • dan citizen

      I was fascinated to read about how they bought bulk lipstick conatiners and converted them to cases.

    • Eric S

      I bought a few sten mags a while back and I do believe one of them is Israeli in origin. Unless other countries mark their equipment with a Star of David. I wasn’t surprised by it, but I had never seen mention of stens coming from the region prior to that.

      • Burst

        It gets even better. Among the armament of the early Israeli militias were Nazi Mauser 98ks. The workshops would buff out the swastika/eagle and engrave a star.

        Not being political here- this is weapons history.

    • LCON

      And designed the Uzi

  • DiverEngrSL17K

    As far as I can tell from the main photograph alone, the SMG’s in question appear to be well-made, especially considering the highly-impoverished and generally destitute situation of the West Bank and it’s economy. While these weapons are “home-made” in a sense, they also appear to be highly standardized, an almost sure sign of a significant attempt at some semblance of quality control and homogeneity on a production line of sorts, as small as it might be.

    It would be really interesting to read an article covering an evaluation of the SMG and it’s field performance, if only we could get our hands on one. I’m guessing that the caliber would be one that involves commonly-available ammunition, such as 9mm Parabellum or 9mm Makarov, since this would make logistics that much easier for the Palestinian rebels.

    • Cynic

      The palastinian terrorists are well funded by other Arab states the homemade weapons are more for propaganda than real use. So they can go look look poor freedom fighters oppressed by a well equiped occupying force. Please ignore the military grade rocket battery and the men in camouflage supervising and training.

      But home made doesn’t have to mean poor quality and working from a standard plan means guns can share.magazines and pays. So say a luty plan gun isn’t a bad idea.

      • DiverEngrSL17K

        I am well aware that external funding and interference ( and this applies to both sides, in spite of protests to the contrary ), and the propaganda that accompanies it, is an ongoing factor.

        My comment was directed solely at the SMG in question and the circumstances concerning its apparent technical quality — provided, of course, that an example could be objectively tested to prove or disprove this initial impression.

  • Guys I guess it’s not enough to ask that politics and racism be taken elsewhere. I’ve just done some banning of those who insist on making racist comments.
    I don’t like to ban people(well unless they are racist) but it’s now a one strike and you’re out. I feel confident everyone knows the rules but some just choose to ignore them.

    Once again please stop the politics.