R51 Missing From Remington Website

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Guns Save Lives noticed that almost any reference to the R51 pistol seems to have been removed from Remington’s website.

 

Now, it seems that Remington has scrubbed their website of nearly all mentions of the R51 pistol (H/T Tactical Existence). It is not easily found listed among their other firearms, and using the website’s built in search engine returns only 1 hit for the website homepage. However, when you actually visit the homepage there is no mention of the R51 (except for an image of this year’s catalog cover).

There are still a few mentions of the R51 in old press releases on the website, but not in the list of current products. While you can find tidbits here and there, the compact 9mm is notably absent from all of the areas one would expect it to appear in.

Clicking on “Handguns” under Products takes you to 1911r1.com, a page dedicated to Remington’s 1911 line of pistols.

 

What could this mean? No idea, but we hope they are addressing the issues and we will see the R51 roll out again better and improved.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • average joe

    It’s probably for the best that it was removed from the line up. Check out the Military Arms Channel on YouTube. He has a couple videos dedicated to this pistol. Very unsafe and unreliable gun. If Remington would have stuck to the original design it was modeled after, it would have been safer. Then again the original didn’t sell many at its time of inception. My opinion, its easier to build strength to work a stiffer slide than it’s to grow missing fingers.

    • Nicholas C
    • GUNxSPECTRE

      I don’t exactly know why they chose that kind of configuration to adopt. I don’t see anything wrong with using the Browning operation at all, and it just makes Rem look like “hipsters”, for a lack of a better term, for wanting to go that far to be different. It would’ve worked fine for them if the gun actually functioned well.

      It is pretty weird how they opted for a more compact design right off the bat instead of doing the usual routine of releasing a line of standard models first.

      • El Duderino

        Except a big single stack 9mm that’s not a 1911 wouldn’t be all that desirable. They tried for the compact 9mm market and failed. S&W is raking in the bucks, the Shield is the best one for the $ right now.

        • Hugo Stiglitz

          I think the Springfield XDs is the most reliable and accurate single stack 9mm. The XD subcompact is a great gun too but double stack. Probably around $100 more than the S&W but worth it.

    • efred1

      If it’s such an unsafe and unreliable gun, how come the pre-production models that the gun magazine writers wrung out several thousand rounds each with nary a malfunction? I believe that some penny-pinching numbnut that knows nothing about building guns demanded some engineering changes before production to meet a price point goal. It’s apparent that they made too many changes to cheapen the gun after testing.
      Frankly, I’d much rather spend $10 more on the pistol that’s durable and reliable, than one that’s full of problems for less.

  • strongarm

    In fact choosing the “Hesitation Delay” should be a mistake since old, steel framed, low powered .380″ACP using examples been suffering of “Breechbolt Breakage”.

    • Asdf

      More of the materials available at the time than anything else. Also there was a 45 ACP caliber version that was used in the army trials and passed. It lost out to the 1911 though.

      • Annika R

        The .45 Remington-Pedersen Model 53 only lost out due to production logistics, nothing negative ever reported about the performance (of course .45 operates at lower chamber pressure levels than 9mm).

        I really wish that someone who could do it right would pick up where Remington left off.

        • sauerquint

          There were no reports of problems with the pre-production R51s. That’s why this pistol was so eagerly anticipated. The problems are entirely with the production guns.

  • Pete Sheppard

    I hope they get it right; that is a fascinating little pistol!

    • herb

      I hope so to, I mean, so cool bringing back their own old weird design, be sad if it ended this way

  • Hikerguy

    With the disaster it turned out to be it may be wise not to pursue re-releasing it again. The public’s image of it now is so bad , especially to those who purchased the gun, there would be a risk of no one trusting it. Remington’s failure to completely test the product has cost them dearly. It’s best to go on and determine the problem and not make that mistake again.

    • JSmath

      I wouldn’t necessarily agree that it’d be absolutely best to move on.

      If they set aside a year’s time to R&D the hell out of the project, they might be able to come up with a completely revised, impressive specimen. And to address the negative PR of the original launch – offer to replace the original bad copies out with new ones.

      If they’re not willing to go that far, ya, I can definitely see how it’d be a black eye, especially for the customers who decided to take a risk since all this little thing brought to the table was it’s unique operation and appearance.

    • billyoblivion

      Just call it the S42 and all’s good.

    • Sulaco

      I think going from .32/.380 to full house 9mm may have been part of the problem as well, like the Glocks moving from 9mm to .40 at first. Glock recovered fine, waiting to see if Remington does the same…

  • ducky

    A few weeks ago I mailed Kevin Graff (senior vice president) there would be the need for a complete relaunch and there are ways to rescue that project.
    Well, the usual answer – none.

  • texasaggie2005

    Um, y’all didn’t research very well did ya? This was the link I got after searching for “Remington R51” on Google.

    http://therock.remington.com/firearm_ModelR51.php#.U8fTZvlr58E

    • Hookem ;)

      That is Remington’s R&D page, and the video is from January. Items on that site are not indicative of available products.

      • FourString

        funneh meme

    • floppyscience

      You cannot get to that website from Remington’s site, only through searching Google. Remington has removed all internal references and links to the R51 from their main site.

    • Sulaco

      video not working now…

  • Zachary marrs

    Nice try remmy, but the Internet never forgets.

  • St. Bernardnot

    They’re not going to leave it out there killing & wounding people for how many years? Like the 700!

  • dan citizen

    what went wrong? I have not been following this gun.

    • Anon. E Maus

      It’s a ticking handbomb.

      Basically, the locking system doesn’t seem to be consistently locking, sometimes, the slide becomes difficult to rack, and sometimes, the gun doesn’t properly go into battery.

      Now, it’s biggest issue is that the damn thing is known for firing out of battery, a very dangerous thing indeed, no reports of actual catastrophic failures, but given how frequently it fires out of battery, it’s really only a matter of time (though less so now, that it’s generally known that it’s a dangerous product).

      • dan citizen

        Thank you, I knew I could get a straight answer here.

  • Anon. E Maus

    They must have realized they can’t sell hand grenades to the general public.

  • SM

    It’s too bad this turned out to be a flop. It had almost everything you could want in a carry pistol of this size.

    I went to check one out, but the salesman said they had all been sent back due to “Substandard quality and safety concerns”.

  • TCWriter

    I only own two handguns (G34 for competition and G19 for carry), and I have little desire to complicate life with more guns — until I saw the R51. Love at first sight, and one of the only handguns cool enough to get me to break my two-handgun rule.

    Fortunately, Remington did me the favor of producing a real bomb (ark ark) of a product, sparing me the third gun.

    But damned, I love the looks of it.

  • jamezb

    Dear Remington.
    . Please “roll out” the original gun, not the new “improved(not)” version. .380 is fine, the .380 haters are a loud group but sales of other guns in that caliber prove demand is there. If you MUST change something, make the sights a little larger, but don’t mess up the lines in doing so. Your first try was admirable, but the Buck Rogers modifications cheapen the classic lines. Stick with the original, and folks will throw money at you.
    Thank you.
    Jamezb

    • Zachary marrs

      After seeing remmys ability to make a rifle (700) and shotgun (new 870), I dont think they could muster the quality of the original

    • hh1034

      You took the words out of my mouth. I was going to say that. Bring back the .380 with better sights. I have one of the originals. It is the best of my .380s.

  • Zapp Brannigan

    This is pure speculation on my part. I wonder if the quality problems with this product stem from the fact that Remington is moving production from their current location to Alabama. I could see the people doing the work in their current location being not terribly motivated to make sure that Remington is shipping a quality product once they’ve been told they are essentially disposable.

    • glenn

      Something about your wording tells me you’re union.

  • Pete

    My guess is that there is nothing wrong with the design but something went very wrong at the factory.

    • Zachary marrs

      The r51 (original) is simply beyond the abilities of Remington to make, the original r51 is a product from another time, back when the product had to work straight from the box. Compare a new 870 with one from the 60’s, and you’ll understand

  • Ted Unlis

    Gritty slide, excessive uncomfortable recoil (in a 9mm?), fail to feed, fail to extract, stovepipes, double feeds, fail to lock up in battery, out of battery detonation; that daunting laundry list of issues confirms that the R51 was plagued from the get go with serious design flaws AND quality control issues, but the most damning issue is that Remington actually allowed this modern day Nambu to leave the factory and be sold to customers who will be hard pressed to ever again trust and associate America’s oldest gun maker with quality and reliability.

  • What I think is sad here is that rather then taking it on the chin, manning up and telling the public “Hey, we screwed up. We are sorry, these things happen sometimes. Anyone who bought an R51, we will give you your money back, or swap the R51 for another fine product in our line and make this right. Please don’t give up on Remington products.”

    But that is not what they are doing. They are staying quiet, deleting info from their site and meanwhile a lot of people out there are sitting on a dangerous, poorly made handgun that doesn’t function and watching as Remington makes it go away.

    I am waiting for the first email from an owner to come out that says “Thank you for emailing Remington. We are not sure what model pistol the R51 is and it is surely not a pistol we produced. You will need to contact the proper manufacturer to send the pistol in for repairs, and unfortunately I am not able to point you in the right direction. Thanks, Remington.”

    • dupkaman

      Yes, it seems to be a lesson in what not to do in business. Poor leadership at Remington. When I asked my local gun dealer several months ago if they had any in stock they said to forget about it since they stopped selling them due to their poor performance and condition. It seems the store’s reputation was more important than a sale. Remington should try to model itself after my local gun store.

    • will_1400

      Actually, Remington made an announcement where they say they pulled the gun until they get it fixed with production expected to resume in October.

      The full text of Remington’s announcement is as follows:

      “Earlier this year, we launched the innovative R51 subcompact pistol
      to critical acclaim. During testing, numerous experts found the pistol
      to function flawlessly. In fact, they found it to have lower felt
      recoil, lower muzzle rise and better accuracy and concealability than
      other products in its class.

      However, after initial commercial sales, our loyal customers
      notified us that some R51 pistols had performance issues. We immediately
      ceased production to re-test the product. While we determined the
      pistols were safe, certain units did not meet Remington’s performance
      criteria. The performance problems resulted from complications during
      our transition from prototype to mass production. These problems have
      been identified and solutions are being implemented, with an expected
      production restart in October.

      Anyone who purchased an R51 may return it and receive a new R51
      pistol, along with two additional magazines and a custom Pelican case,
      by calling Remington at (800) 243-9700.

      The new R51 will be of the same exceptional quality as our test pistols, which performed flawlessly.

      We appreciate your patience and support.”

  • PatrickHenry1789

    Remington has lost a customer here. Which is a shame since I’ve always held them in high esteem. I bought a 700 in 30-06 a couple of years ago. I noticed this past deer season that it was putting deep scratches in the brass. I reload so I’m kind of particular with my brass. It’s been back to Remington 4 times now. I just got it back the other day, I wasn’t going to send it back after the 3rd time I was so aggravated with it. But they sent me a recall notice on the trigger assembly. So I called them about that and told the girl I talked to that I didn’t see any reason to send it in for anything since they didn’t fix a problem 3 times straight. She tells me it isn’t under warranty anymore to which I replied “it was when I sent it in the first time.” They send a yellow piece of paper with the firearm when they return it to you which notates the work that was performed on it. I’m going to quote from the technicians comments section. “burnish chamber/ stoned rails and recolor/ check headspace/ test/ please note that some marring is normal as cases slide towards chamber”. So that’s normal, really?

  • TFB Reader

    Ironically, the current issue of Guns Magazine has the R51 on the cover and said how wonderful it is in the lead story. Guns & Ammo did the same thing a couple of months ago. Granted, the magazines have a long lead time, but this has to be embarrassing.

    • Dragonheart

      Yes, I couldn’t believe it either, so much so I won’t be renewing my subscription to Guns Magazine. What’s the point of reading reviews you can’t trust? This gun had problems from day one that it hit the marketplace. If I know about it then a gun reviewer damn well should!

  • mike

    sounds like it’s dead

  • Guest

    Gone the way of the Rogak…LOL

  • Leigh Rich

    Gone the way of the Rogak, Colt Double Eagle, or Colt 2000. Be nice to have one in my collection. HOWEVER Only 1 on gun brokers but over $500 too much.

  • fred

    Looks like another 9mm Diamond Back

  • The FACTS

    Wow! Not often that a big company has such a belly flop… the QC, design team and prototype boys are all probably on Obongo welfare now…

  • itsmefool

    Whatever…it was the answer to a question never asked. Time to move on!

  • petru sova

    The floating breech block was a failed design from its inception and trying to use it for the more powerful 9mm was lunacy. If Remington would have bothered to test their own Frankenmonster themselves instead of letting the public test it they would have avoided the current embarrassment they are now enduring. Most gun companies in their greed to get the gun to market could not care less if their product is reliable or if it is even safe to use. Look at all the recalls on new weapons brought to market in the last 25 years. Its a major disgrace. Most people have become so paranoid about buying a new model weapon they usually wait at lest 2 years before even attempting to buy the newly introduced weapon. Of course if you are an “old fox” you are not stupid enough to buy any of the modern made plastic and cast iron garbage being made today but rather you snap up older firearms that were made of quality long ago even if you have to pay more for them but at todays outrageous prices for plasticky trash you can sometimes buy older guns for actually less money. I know this because I just bought 3 older made pistols for way less than the modern made garbage being vomited out today by todays gun companies.

  • Dragonheart

    With proven carry guns that beat the R-51, even if it had worked as reviewed, better now to drop this turkey and move on. Remington needs to do some serious quality control.

  • will_1400

    I’ll just leave this here: http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/remington-r51-pistol-update

    An excerpt from the link:

    “The problem came as the gun went from small pre-production to mass
    production. There are number of reports from consumers and evaluators
    about issues with the full production version of the gun.

    Today Remington announced that R51 pistols that are out there can be
    sent back for a replacement from new production slated to start in a
    couple of months.

    The R51, according to Remington, will enter production again in October.
    Those who have an R51 can send it back to Remington and will be
    supplied with a new R51, two magazines and a Pelican case for their
    trouble.”

    Looks like they temporarily pulled it from their catalog until they get it fixed.

  • Hank Seiter

    I bought one, shot it, loaned it to a friend who shot it hoping all the while the pistol would “wear in.” It didn’t. The slide got even more ratchety which seems to be the biggest problem. I understand the engineering problems and the lack of QC in parts received from other sub-contractors, but it’s too bad Remington still released the pistol before all the bugs were worked out.
    Fortunately I haven’t had it fire out of battery. So, after about 500 rounds and having my left hand get pretty raw from trying to rack the slide to chamber the first round multiple times at the range, I cleaned it up really well, put it back in it’s box and put it in the back of my safe to be sold off in the future as one of the original R-51 production pistols which remained unaltered or not upgraded by Remington. Some times defective stuff can gain in value, but its still shootable as she sits so if desperation drives me to having use this pistol or barter it away, I can always take it out of the safe. But I would have to have my first dozen or so pistols bite the dust before I would resort to using this one again.