Kolar Max Trap High Rib

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My co-worker took me out to shoot Trap for my first time. Her fellow club member was there, his name is Ken. Ken had a very interesting shotgun. It is a Kolar Max Trap under single. It only costs $15,000.

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It looks similar to this one below.

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As I do not shoot shotgun sports other than Action Shotgun and 3 gun matches, the high rib is a “new” concept for me. Ken explained that the high rib is preferable for trap. Apparently the taller the rib, the higher the shot pattern fires. The lower the rib, the flatter the gun will shoot. This seemed counter intuitive to me.

I found this article on the Hunt Forever Blog. It discusses the use of a high rib for sporting clays and brings up some interesting observations about shooting with both eyes open and the position of your head in relation to the target.

For more information about the Kolar Max Trap go to their website.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • iksnilol

    I understand paying much for a good gun, but 15k for a single barrel? I am sceptical to say the least. For that money you get a really good double barrel, and those are much more work than a single barrel.

    • Kchociej

      You don’t understand that:

      1.this is a highly specialized tool. Like an Indy car vs a pickup truck.
      2. $15,000 is a lot of money, but it’s relative. There are shotguns that cost over $100,000

      • iksnilol

        Yeah I understand. I can get a fitted double barrel for 15k. This is a single barrel for 15k. It is much harder to fit a double than a single.

        I know a bit about high end stuff, though I don’t use it that much.

        • Igor

          After many replies, i see the point. I’m actually a sucker for finely made stuff, i just tend to steer alway when luxury becomes an end on itself. I take Ti over Au, so to speak.

          So, as it seems shotguns like these are made to last a lifetime of hard use, if you and other people who understand about that “world” could get into more detail about what goes in such high-end firearms, I would really appreciate.

          • iksnilol

            What goes into high end stuff?

            -fit and finish, tight lockup, no play/rattle in the action

            -individual fit. This applies mostly to shotguns. You have a guy measure you just like when tailoring a suit. + some extra measuring for when you are shooting. This is to make the gun instinctive to shoot, since if it fits you properly you will shoulder and aim consistently.

            -engraving. Not “needed” bit people like it and don’t mind it when spending a lot of money.

            Both of these take a lot of time for professionals.

            Proffesionals = money
            Lot of time = money

            Those two together? A lot of money. That is the extent of my “knowledge”

    • Igor

      In all good faith, not the typical “xxxx-does-it-for-$xx-less”, how much difference is truly there between a 3~4k shotgun and one such as this Kolar? I mean, I understand the price on a hand engraved piece that took hundreds of hours to be made, where a single mistake would ruin it all. But the Kolar seems to be made to be shot, not a pure Art object, or a “safe queen”.

    • sianmink

      All you need to turn that $15,000 high rib single into a double is $4000 fitted over/under barrel. The gun is already set up to use it.

    • They just won’t hold up to the amount of shooting trap shooters do.

  • The Green Locnar

    The rib is higher at the action and lower at the muzzle. Draw a line straight out of the barrel, now drawl a line following the rib. The lines intersect and your shots will now pattern above your point of aim.

    My guess is that this is to compensate for drop at a very specific range bracket.

    To anyone poo-pooing the cost. There isn’t much quality difference between a 3-4k shotgun and a 15k shotgun. There is a huge difference in the fact that a 15k shotgun probably has its stock custom shaped to your body proportions. So you’ll likely meet for a fitting with a “try gun” (adjustible stock) http://www.yorkshiregunroom.com/img/ph/try-1.jpg .

    It’s like the difference between an off the rack suit that costs ~1000 bucks and a made to measure suit costing 2500+ or bespoke costing even more. It’s all about fitment and man hours. Like a made to measure suit makes you feel great, a made to measure stock makes you shoot great.

    • J.T.

      It is compensating, but not necessarily for drop. It is compensating for the fact that the targets are rising when you shoot at them. It lets you have the POA where the target is when you fire and the POI where the target will be when the shot reaches it.

      • Dean Seaman

        Wow, the things one learns. I always understood that the high rib was to make up for the fact that those guns are built like O/U’s with the upper barrel missing. The high rib is then taking the place of the missing barrel and thus, helps maintain your line of sight on the target.
        So the rib on such a gun actually sits higher than the position of the missing barrel?

  • Nandor

    I just shot 20 out of 25 last weekend with a $400 Stoeger SxS 18″. How is $14,500 going to increase my score to justify itself? This is all about showing off your money.

    • Dukke1ine

      Off course it is. In the age of CNC-machining, laser sintering and the likes, why spend money on custom hand crafted items?

      The gun market would be pretty boring without these super exclusive though 😉

    • RocketScientist

      The argument typically made on this point is durability. A very cheap single-shot break action shotgun can certainly break a lot of clays in the hands of a decent shooter. The question is whether it will still lock up tight and shoot consistently after 10-50,000 shells are put through it. The general consensus among high-volume clays shooters is that they will not, whereas a quality-built double from one of the B-gun companies (Browning, Beretta, Binelli, etc) will take that licking and keep on ticking. This may seem like an insane round count to some of us (i include myself in this group) but for avid clays shooters it is easy to rack that up in a few years… hell, I consider myself an occasional trap shooter (maybe make it to the club 2-3 times a month) and even at that moderate rate I’ve probably put 2000 rounds or so through their club guns in the last year. Of course, you can get an awesome high-quality O/U for 1/10th the cost of this Kolar (or less) that will probably last just as long, and reliable semis/pumps are even cheaper. But if someone has the money and the inclination to drop it on a big-bucks gun like a Kolar, who am I to judge? I doubt this is about Ken “showing off his money” (though it certainly could be) but like the few wealthy people I know who make ‘ridiculous’ purchases, I’m guessing its more about buying something that he likes and which makes him happy.

      • James

        When I shot sporting clays competitively, I shot over 3000 registered targets in just a year. I probably shot four or five times that much in practice and warmups, and there are a lot of people who shoot a lot more tournaments and practice a lot more religiously than I did. Shotgun barrels don’t get “shot out” the same way rifle barrels do, so if you shoot seriously and have a taste for fine craftsmanship, guns like this become a worthy investment. I bet some of the pros compete with guns that have round counts in six figures.

        • sianmink

          Sporting Clays (which I love) doesn’t have nearly the round count of trap. Easily, when I was deep into competitive trap, I could be shooting over 1000 registered targets over 4 days. Do that 20 times a year as many top-tier shooters do, and you’re into 6 digit round count after less than 5 years of competition.

          • Very true. I was watching a show the other day which featured the top female trap shooter. She is on the range everyday of the week firing an unreal number of rounds.

  • sianmink

    The super-high ribs are great for trap, not so much for anything else. It’s a very specialized piece of kit, and 15k is on the reasonable side of things for a high-end trap gun. There’s guys out there with $35,000 Ljutics and Silver Seitz and Krieghoffs, though you can do just fine with a Perazzi or Beretta. The main difference between these and sporting shotguns is a trap/skeet gun will hold together for a million rounds, and that might give the ol mossberg a little trouble.

  • Van the Handcannon Man

    This is the post where americans go “15 THOUSAND FOR A SINGLE BARREL?” and the rest of the world is sitting wondering why the heck americans own 4 AR-15s in the same barrel length, 5 AK-variants from countries that aren’t russia, 19 Mosin Nagants, 1 mossberg 500/Remington 870 and 2 Remington 700s, of which one is chambered in something akin .759 ‘Roo-Burster, which for some strange reason is buyable over the counter and the other rifle has a cupholder.

    • El Duderino

      And then we see folks in other countries with $15k in Airsoft replica guns. And it all makes sense.

      • dan

        Not to mention the amount of Americans that own these 15,000 dollar shotguns probably out number quite a few other countries.

      • mikewest007

        15k? Hell, since those rarely go over $500 a pop, we must be talking about shitloads upon shitloads of those, or some insane custom jobs or rare pieces (an Asahi WA2000 can go for ten grand if you can find one of those).

    • gunslinger

      15k could get you a number of NFA items…right?

      • DW

        These days maybe it will get you one pre’86 M16

  • James

    The both-eyes-open shotgun technique used in sporting clays is heavily dependent on perfect individualized gun fit and lots of practice mounting the gun for consistency. The tactical crowd could actually gain something from studying that particular facet of advanced wingshooting; I don’t care what optic you use, there’s nothing faster on target than a gun that automatically shoots where you focus your eyes. Look at your target, bring up the gun, bang. No lining up sights or reticles. What more could you want in close rifle engagement? The greatest weakness of the AR15, in my opinion, is that the charging handle prohibits raising the comb for automatic, fast, natural and instinctive gun fit.

  • “Apparently the taller the rib, the higher the shot pattern fires…”
    This is incorrect. The hight of the shotgun rib has nothing to do with POI (Point of Impact or how high the gun shoots) – it’s the barrel-to-rib regulation (or angle) that affects POI. That, along with the comb position, of course. You can have a flat rib gun configured (or regulated) to shoot 80/20% shot distribution and you can have 100mm rib gun (think Perazzi 2008) that can be configured to shoot 50/50% or flat.

  • AK™

    For the price of a single shot 12 gauge trap gun,I could have a Barrett M107.

    “big whoop, i’m spooning a Barrett .50 cal, i could kill a building”..

    • gunslinger

      if you shoot the clay building before it fires, does the hit still count?

  • Zachary marrs

    I know how some people make fun of “mall ninjas” but most trap shooters could make those guys blush

  • Zachary marrs

    I want details on that abomination with the blue stock