New from Kalashnikov Concern: Civilian Balanced Recoil AK-107s, Saiga 9mm, and new 12-Gauge

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Billed as the “largest international land and air-land defense and security exhibition” Eurosatory 2014 kicked off in Paris on the 16th.  Announced during the exhibition are four new rifles from Kalashnikov Concern (formerly Izhmash).  Among them are the SV-338 Sniper Rifle, Saiga MK-107 Civilian Version, Saiga-9 and Saiga-12 Model 340.

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The SV-338 will be a precision platform based on the .338 Lapua Magnum round, and will be marketed and sold to Russian Special Forces as well as exported to other countries.  According to arms-expo.ru the rifle is designed to engage targets out to 1km, or soldiers wearing body armor.  It will feature a 5rd magazine.

 

 

Saiga 12 - 340. Note the prominent muzzle brake.

Saiga 12 – 340. Note the prominent muzzle brake.

  1. Balanced recoil AK’s to be offered in 7.62×39, 5.45×39, and 5.56 NATO (w/ 7.62 NATO planned in the future!)
  2. Saiga 9mm pistol-caliber carbine based off of the Vityaz-SN
  3. New Saiga 12-gauage model with built-in muzzle brake. (Note* This was debuted last year, but looks to be now in production).
AK-107 broken down into parts. Photo courtesy of world.guns.ru

AK-107 broken down into parts. Photo courtesy of world.guns.ru

We are tracking down additional information on these new weapon systems including price, availability, configuration, etc.

Fully kitted out Vityaz 9mm.

Fully kitted out Vityaz 9mm.

 

Command Arms has translated the text from original post on VPK.name below:

Concern “Kalashnikov” has developed three new samples civilian small arms produced by the company on the basis of fighting machines. It is reported in the Monday, June 16, ITAR-TASS referring to the Advisor to CEO Andrew Kirisenko concern. The new weapon was presented at one of the world’s largest arms salons “Eurosatory 2014” in Paris.


He explained that on the basis of a series of cell Kalashnikovs and other small arms developed three completely new sample of civil arms – “Saiga-MK107”, “Saiga-9” and “Saiga-12 Model 340.”


Carbine “Saiga-MK107” is based on the perspective of the AK-107. This is the only carbine for the civilian market, made with a balanced automatics, like the AK-107 and AK-108. Thanks to the scheme with a balanced automatic recoil is reduced and accuracy of firing automatic increases in half to two times. According Kirisenko Concern has produced several prototypes “Saiga-MK107” under foreign cartridge 223 “Remington.” It is also planned to develop a domestic version of the rifle cartridges of 7.62 and 5.45 x39 x39 millimeters, as well as under x51 7.62 millimeter ammunition NATO standard.


According Kirisenko, design carbine “Saiga-9” is based on the local sub-machine gun “Vityaz-SN” and is a novelty for both domestic and foreign markets. At the moment this is done under the common carbine cartridge 9×19 “Para”. There are plans to start developing “Saiga-9” under the Russian 9×18 millimeter pistol cartridge and ammunition caliber 9×21 mm. According to the developers, the carbine has a high level of reliability and high level of similarity with the actually existing combat model will attract the attention of domestic and foreign buyers.


Kirisenko drew attention to the fact that when you create a new shotgun “Saiga-12 Model 340” under 12 caliber hunting cartridge into account the requirements of athletes and special forces. Gun differs from the previously submitted samples reinforced receiver, increased to 10 rounds magazine capacity, and rapid recharge system. Muzzle Brake substantially reduced returns. Elevated levels of reliability allows the use of a gun as the army and police units

The post was written by Nathan S and Sam C.



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Duray

    What’s a “muzzle break?”

    • 101nomad

      An “oh shit” moment.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      Duray, you’ve caught yet another iteration of that eternal and infuriating term, which should properly be termed “muzzle brake”, due to the fact that this particular device is specifically designed to slow down and vent high-pressure gases from the firing process in a direction that generally helps to mitigate recoil. One sees the term “muzzle break” so many times in published literature, even that originating from reputable web sites and vendors and manufacturers who really ought to know better, that one wonders if the precepts of the English language are not being frivolously murdered at will, or simply for sheer sport.

      So please, ladies and gentlemen, let’s get it right from the beginning — “muzzle brake” is the correct terminology, and “muzzle break” is meaningless, grammatically incorrect gobbledegook!

      As an aside, you will notice that even the somewhat rough translation from Russian ( from the VPK web site ) to English in this article was still correct ; “muzzle brake” was specifically mentioned in the last paragraph.

    • dp

      Maybe they meant “muzzle-beak”…))))).
      As DiverEng says, this language is quite playable.

  • nougabol

    A simple writing error.. that’s what it is.

  • dp

    Not much more left to do on rifle. huh? Mind you, AFAIK, nobody separated lockup from frame, yet. so, some small healthy ‘kickie’ will be there. just to make sure you fire a gun.

  • Vitor

    The 107 can be a big hit, everybody seems curious about the balanced recoil action. I sure am.

    • iksnilol

      Even if it isn’t FA automatic it will still decrease muzzle rise. Wonder how little muzzle rise one in 5.56 and with a suppressor would have?

      • exoskeleton

        I am skeptical about the balanced recoil system reducing muzzle climb. I do however belief that the rifle is going to shake a lot less.

        The resultant recoil is caused by the bullet and not the moving parts. If you think about it, all weapons are “balanced”, because the bolt assembly move backward and then forward again.

        The movement of the bolt assembly in a normal weapon does cause the weapon to shake, but the weapon should return to its original position if the bolt assembly is the only moving mass.

        That is just my theory. Hope I am wrong since I would like a rifle with less muzzle climb!

        • iksnilol

          Think about it… The rearwards movement of the bolt is pretty violent and causes an imbalance (which also leads to/increases muzzle rise/flip) due to the inertia the bolt has/carries.

          Having a second piston that weighs as much as the bolt+ the first piston would counteract this.

          Granted, my understanding of physics is pretty limited and I am currently really tired.

          Still, no matter what I would like a version with a 10 inch barrel and permanent suppressor (of my choice). Will probably be a custom job.

          • exoskeleton

            I agree with you, the rearward movement is violent, but a lot of that energy is stored in the spring. That energy is then released again and the bolt slams violent to the front as well. Thus reversing the imbalance.

            In the end, the resultant recoil can only be caused by a mass leaving the system (the bullet and gun powder).

            Have a close look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sNDTdKQNVU

          • iksnilol

            If it stored energy in the spring then it wouldn’t rise (the rifle).

            Again my understanding of physics is limited. True, the rifle will go back to where it was but the point is to eliminate the need for it to return at all by preventing rise.

        • John

          The carrier’s ejection [rearwards] stroke is much more violent than the return stroke. The first is created by expanding gases (pretty much a contained explosion), the second by spring pressure.

  • 1leggeddog

    If only these could be available in Canada…

    Hey a guy can dream can’t he?

    • Porty1119

      They’d probably be available on an RPAL. IIRC, the RCMP reclassified a bunch of AK-family rifles to Restricted from Prohib.

      • 1leggeddog

        Where the *beep* did you hear that?!?!!

        • Porty1119

          If memory serves, I came across that tidbit on the RCMP firearms webpage, but I very well could be wrong.

          • DiM

            Are you sure that you’re not thinking about the CZ-858 that went from non-restricted to prohibited?

      • Michel_T

        The only AK variant that went from prohib to non-restricted was the Valmet rifles…

    • Michel_T

      Maybe the 338…
      everything else will be flagged as a variant of “something”.

  • I need me the 9mm one to convert to go-fast mode!

    • Full giggle switch indeed.

    • An Interested Person

      I think you are enjoying your full-auto manufacturing capability waaay too much. 😉

  • hydepark

    I hope the Saiga 9 comes around someday. Been drooling over them for years.

  • I like the look of this Vityaz. A pistol version sounds like fun. Too bad I live in MD.

  • Samson

    Personally I would snap up the Saiga-9 right away and give the AK-107 a hard hard look. Around Thanksgiving 2012 I tried very hard to buy a Krebs Custom AK-104K .. it was a Krebs-customized & Krebs-upgraded ( they are the best of the AK world in the US IMHO) Saiga with a 14″ shortened barrel and a permanently installed AK-74 muzzle brake welded on… and I called to ask them if they had one, they told me they would make me one but I’d have to wait on the list. I told them sure, and they asked if I had any other interests because maybe they’d make something else- I told them I heard they were making a Krebs Zastava PAP and I have an original (plastic thumbhole and single stack) PAP I love, so I LOVED the prototype MAC got to test. 8 months later they called me and offered me my $2350 rifle, it was basically an AK built to look like a Sig 556R … I cannot describe it other than to say, WTF… it was some sort of abomination, a wierd AR-pistol grip and stock w/ a keymod forend and a 3 prong style flash hider, and oh yeah, it was more than a HK MR556A1 lol. I asked about my ordered rifle, was told, “We decided to make a run of these so that is what we have to offer you…” the PAP? “We decided not to do those at all…” so about my ordered, AK-104K? “The rifle I showed you is what we have for you… I’ll need payment today or you lose your rifle….” So that was it , never to deal with Krebs again, totally ridiculous. I would much rather wait for one of these Saiga-9mms and /or AK-107s or even a damned Arsenal Saiga or Arsenal Bulgarian. I hate Red Jacket and no love for Rifle Dynamics but I thought Krebs were pretty cool, from now on, I will stick with Arsenal and Saiga lol.

    • hydepark

      I have had two rifles done by Rifle Dynamics. Both came out perfectly and on-time. Just curious why they are a no-go for you?

      • Samson

        Actually I think I got it wrong, I think I was thinking of Tromix? Their guy Rumore, he got real rude with me on a forum , we were all ragging on Sons of Guns and this guy Tony Rumore comes and starts insulting me, sayin I am an idiot in my mothers basement, not nice things about my mother (who has passed, by the way, which really endeared me to him) and made a fool of himself trying to defend that stupid show and complete POS Sons of Guns owner. anyway yeah, hes not Rifle dynamics hes Tromix right, my mistake.

        • hydepark

          I haven’t heard much about Tromix in a while, but that doesn’t sound too far from what I heard of that group. And Sons of Derp pisses me off everytime I even think of them. They are dangerous, give real collectors and enthusiasts a bad rep, and make shitty crap. I have heard a few hit or miss stories from RD, but from everything I can gather, they take extremely good care to correct any mistakes and produce (what I believe) are the best AK’s out there. I know Tim from MAC raves on Krebs, but I had somewhat of a similar experience to yours with them. They are elitist, and I don’t have time for that.

          • Samson

            Pretty much spot on, could not have said it better myself. Sons of Guns is not only a joke, it’s a bad joke.. it will make people think bad and worse of “gun people”; it will make everyone look bad, it is RIDICULOUS in actuality- the dual M16 rigs for the “naval special warfare boats” roflcopter. Yeah that Lt Dan mofo had the contracting power- and hes gonna give their money, OUR TAX MONEY, to an inferior, ridiculously built toy gun system instead of, oh, I don’t know, a machine gun designed for just such a thing@ LOL. And Will is an absolute PIECE OF GARBAGE and I would say it to his face on national tv. acts like he’s the world’s expert and the Good Lord’s gift to guns and TV, berates people for fun, makes terrible guns and takes credit for Vince’s work , and even accentuates his accent , it’s ridiculous, he tries to talk cool. If you GAVE me a gun of theirs I would sell it, I would refuse to own it. Krebs by all accounts is really that good, they are just like you said, elitist. Arsenal is a fine fine company and all they want is to sell you their AK, nothing more nothing less. Krebs seems to want you to beg for a chance to sing for your supper. Anyway let me parachute off this soapbox, lol.

          • David

            Give Rifle Dynamics a call they make some of the best Ak’s in the US .

          • You noticed the enhanced accent to huh:-)

          • Samson

            Lmfao … it’s like he wants to sound like hes from the hip hop hoods of the Bayou but can’t decide exactly where he should sound like. Sometimes I shake my head and think, doesn’t the show have TV people to tell him , “Listen you sound like an idiot when you speak. Not really full on Louisiana but not full on urban youth speak, like he uses words and phrases he hears on TV and tries to sound like people he hears speaking on shows/movies/etc.

          • They really aren’t elitist over at Krebs. It’s more a matter of it being a small shop with a few employees trying to keep up with demand. They usually have a large backlog.
            I’ve spent some time with Mark Krebs and he is about the most down to earth guy you’ll meet.

          • hydepark

            I can only really speak from my (one time) limited experience. I wanted two small parts in addition to finding out how long of a wait and how much money a barrel removal/shortening/pinned muzzle device/refinish would be. My experience mirrors what Samson said above about begging Krebs. I understand they are a small shop, but that gives them no right or reason to be dismissive and elitist to someone inquiring about a simple front end conversion. Rifle Dynamics, including Jim Fuller and his wife personally on numerous occasions, treated me better than I deserved from the first phone call. Guess who got and will continue to get my business.

            I still have trouble going into LGS’s sometimes because the guys behind the counter take one look at me and dismiss me just because of my age. Or, I’m talked down to when I actually interact with an employee. As if only someone older could afford or be knowledgeable about the wares. Usually I never go back because I have the internet and two or three other medium sized stores I was treated with respect at.

            I am a young (early 20’s) collector. Now, before anyone rants on me calling myself a collector, I know it may sound weird or lame or whatever, but with the amount of time, money, and effort I have into this hobby, I think it’s a fair description. I would hazard that a lot of the other readers here are also collectors.

          • Samson

            I can not agree more- I am about 33 and 1/2 years old but I look like I am 17… And I have somewhere between 30 and 50 firearms in my collection. Back home in Jersey, there were 2 LGS in my general area, both 1 mile apart about a 30 minute drive. Anywhere else was either a major drive, or a Dicks Sporting Goods… the two shops were polar opposites but both caricatures of LGS, treating customers like idiots who bother their day. One shop I simply gave up entering… they would not get anymore business. One time I went in after getting a large insurance settlement, no one was in the store but me but no one would help me. I wanted to buy myself a new impulse-buy toy with my newfound windfall. Eventually I got pissed enough when a manager looked at me standing at the counter and went back to his magazine that I took out a banded, $5000-pack of $100’s I had just taken from the bank and started fanning it out at the counter like a total d-bag, to which the guy looks at me, does a TV-quality double-take, and says, “OH , You want to buy something?? I thought you were just looking!!!!” and I literally laughed , and said, so If I just wanted to look, or I did not produce a stack of cash, you would not have helped me? His attitude got worse and I eventually walked out. This is just one of many instances of their terrible (and infamous on NJ gun forums) service. Moving to FL has been such a breath of fresh air, I FINALLY have LGS’s and employees I can rap with, get help from, and even stop in to browse etc. *NIGHT AND DAY* Difference! Gun companies, gun shops, etc. don’t realize the stigma they face and often propagate by their conduct etc.

          • hydepark

            I have family in Florida that I visit once a year or so. Pensacola to be exact. Florida is like the willy wonka factory of guns. And I always make a new friend even if I’m just browsing. Now I’m here in Colorado so every time I want new mags I have to drive up to Wyoming.

  • kev

    The balanced recoil should help in the larger calibers. Well done Izh….I mean Kalashnikov Concern haha 🙂

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    I want a Bizon-style helical magazine for my AK. If theyre gonna make a 9mm AK at least throw me a bone and gimme the helical mag.

    • RobertSnyder808 .

      they cant do the helical mag because it infringes on patents

      • iksnilol

        Seriously?

        What about making it use Calico mags? Would those work up-side down?

        • Dracon1201

          You really wanna use Calico mags? That would be a surefire way to frak up the AK.

    • LCON

      Wern’t there some pictures Released from North Korea of Kim Jong uuuummmm? Whats his names personal guard/ Basket ball team wielding AKS74’s with underbarrel Helical mags?

  • The Hun

    Russian guns are like German WWII guns- they are just somehow cooler.

  • n0truscotsman

    No dragunov!?

    I wonder if they are even being produced by Kalashnikov Concern

    • dskeet

      Dragunovs have been produced by them all along… they just aren’t allowed to import them to the US because of a trade agreement.

      • iksnilol

        Yeah, you can get the civilian version in Europe. Fret not though, there exists 1 MOA AKs in 308. Look around for a VEPR, put in a match barrel and you are good to go.

        US has some stupid agreement with Russia about import of guns from Russia.

        • hydepark

          The Super Vepr’s do just fine.

      • Esh325

        What about a straight pull manually operated version? I’d be happy to have that at least.

        • iksnilol

          That could work, they are made for the UK. No gas piston or hole in the barrel.

          Could probably import one from the UK and convert it to semi-auto.

          But I am not sure whether it is banned by name or by classification.

  • Masoo2

    I still want an AK-9 :L

    • SP mclaughlin

      in 9×39?

      • Masoo2

        ofc

  • Esh325
    • Zugunder

      True, but picture above shows “AK-107 broken down into parts” as it says further down in article.

      • CA

        It doesn’t look like the same rifle.

        • Zugunder

          Well yes. AK-107, pictured in article, is military assault rifle. MK-107 – civilian variant… I just said that it’s mentioned in article that this is not Saiga’s photo. Maybe autor chose AK-107 picture over MK-107’s to show it’s balanced automatic sistem? Since they all the same, major differences is outside, and i never saw pictures of actual MK-107 broken apart.

  • JohnnyBGood

    I want that saiga 9 so badly

  • Samson

    What I don’t understand is why the AK makers don’t push the AK-104K design- it’s the M4 Carbine of the AK World.. a 14″ bbl with the AK-74″ muzzle brake/compensator (I had an AR with one that measured out at 3 full inches but they can be a bit shorter)… throw on a folding stock, maybe something like the Midwest Industries quad-rail forend, and the nice welded-reinforced rail dust cover I have seen Krebs make … you could have an awesome, small-package, customizeable AK in 7.62x39mm that is handy as anything. And hard hitting up to 200m. IMHO, the perfect SHTF rifle. amazing “Ranch Rifle” and not only useful in the defense but also for pig poachin etc. Throw on the 7.62x39mm 3x30mm ACOG by Trijicon, you’ve got an amazing rig! (If only I wasn’t a broke joker lol. All my money goes into the mouth of my Aussie Cattle Dog.)

    • iksnilol

      12 inch barrel, the 104 has a 12 inch barrel. Perfect for 7.62×39 if you don’t intend on using handloads (then you can go down to 9 inchesk). So you would need a longer flash hider to avoid SBR status.

      Also you can hit things at 300 meters no problem with an AK. Past that you start having problems.

  • Nicholas Mew

    I still prefer the more original type though.

  • La Crika De Tu Mai

    I’ll buy any firearm made in Russia

  • Meatloaf

    “Eurosatory 2014” Ive seen shows like this in documentaries. Governments from all over the world come together in peace, to buy and sell weapon’s systems designed to kill one another’rs soldiers and their own citizens.

    Lets hope “gun control” keeps the guns out of everyone’s hands but theirs…. (sarcasm)

  • now we will never have these and i’m crying hard ;-;