NZDF To Replace Steyr AUG

Steyr AUG is too large for the younger recruits (Photo from NZ Army Open Day, 2001)

Steyr AUG is too large for the younger recruits (Photo from NZ Army Open Day, 2001)

The New Zealand Defense Force is looking to replace their aging inventory of Steyr AUG rifles. They will purchase 8,800 rifles. Over the past few years the NZDF has upgraded a number of their weapon systems. I first reported on the search for a new service rifle back in 2010. In 2011 they adopted the Lewis Machine & Tool LMT .308 AR-10 as their new designated marksmen rifle and last year they replaced their 5.56mm FN Minimi with a lighter-weight version of the 7.62mm FN Minimi. The press release is below …

Defence Minister Jonathan Coleman says the Government has given approval for the NZDF to seek a replacement for the Steyr rifle.

“It is important NZDF personnel are well equipped and have effective modern rifles suited to today’s operational environment,” says Dr Coleman.

“The Steyr rifle has served the NZDF well for over 20 years and it has seen considerable operational use, but it is now reaching the end of its lifespan. Weapon technology has advanced considerably since the NZDF purchased the Steyr rifle in 1987.

“Modern rifles can be adapted to individual needs, maximising the effectiveness of the weapon. They can be fitted with a range of advanced day and night sights, and other specialised equipment. They can also be adjusted to suit different body sizes, and for the wearing of personal kit.

“NZDF personnel need a rifle that can be optimised for a range of situations. Operational experience in Afghanistan and Timor-Leste highlighted the importance of effectively identifying and engaging targets in various settings.

“The Steyr replacement is part of a wider personal weapons replacement programme. New light machine guns, combat shotguns and designated marksman rifles have been introduced to service. Future projects are also planned to look at the in-service pistol, sniper rifles, and grenade launchers.”

The Government has given approval for the Ministry of Defence to conduct a competitive tender process to purchase an ‘off the shelf’ rifle to replace the Steyr rifle with a new fleet of up to 8,800 rifles and associated accessories. The NZDF will trial short-listed weapons against the NZDF user requirements and a recommendation will be made to Cabinet early next year. The new rifle is expected to be introduced into service by 2016-17.

It sounds like they are looking at conventional rifles, rather than sticking with bullpups, although I am sure Thales Australia will put in a bid to sell the NZDF the Thales F90 (the latest version of the Steyr AUG).

Thanks to Rob for the tip.


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  • Heady

    I’m gunna play conduct the rumour train today, but when I was talking to one of the senior instructors of the combat school in Waiouru earlier in the year he predicted this and the replacement of the P226’s, and said he was a supporter of moving to carbine length 7.62mm rifles, like the new marksman’s rifles. Interestingly enough, even though they have trended towards 7.62mm, and moving they actual rounds fire to heavier grain projectiles all around, he said he liked the idea of the MP7 to replace the P226.

    Should be good to see what we end up getting, I like the fact that our small little defence force is modernizing. We got lots of shiny new things coming now.

    • neoconfection

      I’d just buy new P226s. They’re great guns.

      I only wish Canada would get around to replacing the Hi-Powers across the board with the Sigs rather than just MPs and a few other units. A few of my buddies who went to Afghanistan complained the Hi-Powers are so worn out they have a case of “the magazine falls out when you shoot it.”

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        They are old no doubt. I’d like to see the adoption of the new double stack Sig in 45 acp. Of course they will never go with anything but 9mm.

        • Hyok Kim

          Double stack 45acp? What about us small people with small hands?

          • Yellow Devil

            Chop them off and grow bigger ones.

      • Lance

        No the Browning HP is a good gun and is better balanced and accurate than the crappy SIG.

        • neoconfection

          It could be the most accurate gun on earth and it’s still useless if the mags fall out. They’re usually 70y/o frames.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Are you kidding!!! Those are both great pistols. All of them wear out eventually.

        • Hyok Kim

          Browning HP was a great gun before the Sigs came along. Its trigger is not in the same class with Sigs or 1911s for that matter.

          By today’s standard, it is obsolete. It does not have any unique features that makes it competitive today.

      • n0truscotsman

        I know the Brits pretty much ran their hi powers to death.

      • idahoguy101

        Why not replace Canada’s ancient Hi Power pistols with new FN built MkIII Hi Power pistols. The learning curve is minimal. Only the Military Police need a double action pistol for law enforcement duties. Not the entire Canadian Armed Forces.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      “MP7 to replace the P226″…. Yea, does he alsosuggest replacing a motorcylce with a boat?

      • KiwiShooter

        He may have meant replace the P226 in certain roles where it is issued.

    • Cornelius Carroll

      Interesting approach. Have general infantry carry something in 7.62 NATO and perhaps four magazines and then carry an MP7 with four magazines.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        7.62 NATO and perhaps four magazines

        Suppose I’m curious how you got those magazine numbers…

        So 100 rounds of ammo that weighs the same as about 200-220 rounds of 556. While the trend for current deployment guys is to go outside with rarely more than 3 mags of 556 total and two pistol mags total or only one pistol mag in the gun. I’m not sure how many people would really go for that trade-off considering the extra weight of the 762 gun and ammo.

        But man, it sure is easy to just say 7.62 is “the best solution!” especially if you don’t need to carry it anywhere.

        • neoconfection

          I think it was in the book, “The Gun” about the AK that wrote the reason why the United States switched from the M14 to the M16- a combat load of 5 mags plus the one in the rifle was heavy, and ran out fast in FA fire in the jungle. Area suppression and close quarters, 5.56 made more sense, although less so when 5.56 got stopped or sent off course by trees and brush.

          • bullet

            Great book about the AK 47 but also very informative about the AR/ M16 too.

          • bullet

            the way I understand it the 5.56mm is something like a “Goldilocks” round according to information gleaned from the USA’s involvement in the Korean conflict. The USA used the M1 Garand and M1 carbine as the main weapon in Korea. The Garand had a limited supply of ammo on hand, the Garand is sort of hard to keep under control in rapid fire situation. It was, however, pretty good at long ranges but studies determined that the typical grunt didn’t start shooting at an enemy until they were within 300 meters. The M1 carbine didn’t have the stopping power or penetration ability although it was light. Probably everybody has read or heard stories about the M1 carbine failing to penetrate heavy winter clothing and the M 1 carbines range was somewhat limited. So along comes the 5.56 mm ( the original AR platform was actually chambered in 7.62 mm ). Some Vietnam vets claimed that they could carry 1000 rounds plus of 5.56mm on their person (bandoliers), it was far more easily handled than 7.62mm in rapid fire and penetrating clothing is no problem. It did lose effectiveness beyond the 300 meter range but that’s over the common engagement range anyways—although people have figured out how to add some long distance effectiveness to the 5.56mm over the years. Personally, I’ve pondered what kind of reputation the AR platform would have had the Department of Defense originally chambered the weapon in .243?

        • Cornelius Carroll

          Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for 5.56 especially the newer loads. I just think it would be an interesting experiment to deploy soldiers with 7.62 and 4.6×30…

          5.56 is an amazing do-everything cartridge but 7.62 clearly has an edge at longer ranges and 4.6×30 in the MP7 works nicely for cqc work.

          Just something different.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      If size is a consideration and they want a 7.62 then the DPMS Gen II comes to mind. It fires the 7.62 but is almost identical in size to an M4.

      • Sulaco

        Often wondered about using a 7.62 in an M4 sized rifle. Wear or breakage problems been noted (yet) in such Phil?

    • KiwiShooter

      New pistol has already been picked from what I hear and it’s the Glock 17.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    “Modern rifles can be adapted to individual needs, maximising the effectiveness of the weapon. They can be fitted with a range of advanced day and night sights, and other specialised equipment. They can also be adjusted to suit different body sizes, and for the wearing of personal kit.”

    Recently at a carbine class, an Austrian American student had a Steyr AUG A3 and another had a Tavor. Discussion about the two compared aside (I like the A3 better), the one thing that both students could absolutely not do as well as the other students with conventional rifles (besides reloads of course) was shoot from unconventional shooting positions.

    Using a vehicle’s wheel as cover/concealment in a “broke-back” position, transitioning to weak side and kneeling around a vehicle, any position in urban prone, coming up cover the hood in a low profile sideways hold, the bullpup guys just struggled. The guy with the AUG particularly was an advanced shooter, his equipment was CLEARLY holding him up.

    He’ll keep the Steyr, I’m sure, since it’s a good firearm and it’s from his homeland. But I talked to him after the class and I’m fairly certain he’s going to buy an AR for general use. It doesn’t surprise me at all that despite some people’s affection to bullpups, only less and less military groups are buying them.

    They have their place, but I’ve first hand seen the disadvantages, so while I do own an old AUG, I don’t think I’d consider a new bullpup for my uses. It doesn’t surprise me at all that NZ isn’t going to buy new ones.

    • iksnilol

      Can you more accurately describe the problem? I honestly don’t understand what was holding that guy back. Was it the added bulk at the rear?

      I like bullpups, though the one I really want is pretty much an unicorn. Can’t even find the plans for it.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        It had little to do with bulk. It was a non-adjustable LOP, the magazine being in the rear prevented getting into some positions, controls were occasionally an issue when on the ground, it just didn’t work as well as an AR/XCR/AK for more “dynamic” stuff. Even prone it didn’t work as well. Standing/Kneeling it worked fine, since that’s all most people do when they shoot it wasn’t a problem. And mind you, this was all observed watching a pretty decent shooter.

        I didn’t run one, this is just what I saw. I watched enough to see the issues. I’ve never taken mine out to try this type of shooting, it’s an A1 so I probably won’t.

      • Steve Truffer

        …SVU?

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      Also, the mil version has a terrible trigger. Two stage with the first stage being a single shot and the second stage being automatic fire.

      • Fruitbat44

        About the AUG two-stage trigger; any word on how that works out in the field? Speaking as, these days, an armchair gunfighter I’ve always imagined that when the adrenalin kicks in then the user would just clamp down on the trigger. Is this the case?

      • KiwiShooter

        NZ/AUS ones have an automatic lock out feature to make it semi only when desired. Little bit different from the Austrian ones.

        • Dchil

          Actually the NZ ones have a two stage cross-bolt safety which eliminates the two stage trigger. One click left = semi, one more over = full. I find this alot better than the Aussie F88s (I’ve tried both the Aussie and Kiwi F88s) along with the dot in the middle of the standard optic in the NZ ones compared to a small-ish circle in the Aussie versions.

          EDIT: Might not have been left on the safety. I didn’t spend much time with the kiwi F88s (about 2 mags worth) but what time i did have made me think the kiwi rifle was better in the two areas outlined.

          • TheRealWreckIt

            your almost there, they actually have both the 2 stage trigger and the 2 stage safety. Theres a definitive difference between semi and full. I never had a problem with the IW Steyr, but I’m not army, they’re definitely the experts

    • KiwiShooter

      Nobody said they aren’t buying new ones…..the upgraded AUG from Thales will be a very real possibility to keep things simple between us and our Aussie neighbors. Personally hoping for an AR platform, and most guys I know in the Army are hoping for the same, especially the lefties! AUG charging handle doesn’t swap over which makes left handed use awkward.

      • Gallan

        Now that Australia has the HK417 as its DMR rifle and it’s commandos and the SASR use the HK416. I’d say NZDF adopting the HK416 is likely. Shouldn’t create any problems for Australian logistics given they already use the rifle in significant numbers.

        Would also have the Australians blessing, since that enables them to closely monitor the HK416 vs the F90 steyr aug and how it performs with the Future Soldiers program in mind.

        • KiwiShooter

          Although bear in mind we (NZ) went with the LMT instead of the HK417 for a DMR rifle and NZSAS use an AR platform (think they were Canadian from memory). Maybe we are done with simply going for whatever they have. HK416 would be an interesting change.

          • neoconfection

            If it’s Canadian it’ll be the Colt Canada C8 carbine, soon to enter the civilian market.

        • Rocky Chen

          i don’t really think the hk416’s are a viable option…

    • n0truscotsman

      Typically that is what happens when one actually goes and trains: they find deficiencies in “popular” weapon designs and wonder why they aren’t the best things invented since sliced bread.

      Having trained with foreign troops, whether Brits, French, Aussie, Israeli, and NZ, each with their respective bullpups, it was obvious to me why more of the whos who in world badassery DONT use bullpups, and even in countries with a bullpup as a main service rifle, their elite units use conventional layout rifles, with a emphasis on C8s or M4s.

      Basically what you said tells why. Not that I hate bullpups. The Tavor is a well designed rifle.

      NZ can go the route of their special operations and just adopt the M4.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Right on man. It’s nice to see people know their stuff, thanks for your insight as well.

      • neoconfection

        I’ve fired the export model of the Type 97 Chinese bullpup and can confirm that it’s a clunky, awkward piece of crap.

    • Hyok Kim

      Do you think forward ejecting FS2000 would rectify the disadvantages you noted above?

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Nope, ejecting had nothin to so with it. I didn’t hear those guys talk about brass once. It was just using the gun when you were in really contorted positions.

        • Hyok Kim

          Thank you for your input. There were two things that really bothered me about bullpups. Maybe you could help me if they are legit. (Other than the bad trigger).

          1. Bullpup’s biggest advantage was tauted as its ‘handiness’ in fast moving/developing scenarios.

          However, the more pressing problem is how fast one can get one into action when SHTF.

          Conventional battle carbines can be carried either with one point sling with the barrel pointing to the ground (Rifle version of position SUL).or horizontally with two or three point slings.

          However, with bullpups, if carried with one point sling with the barrel toward the ground, then one basically had to use the shooting arm to do most of initial pointing/aiming of the weapon, whereas with conventional battle carbines, one could use non-shooting arm to steer/aim and the shooting arm to pivot/pulling to the chest/shoulder and cheek weld , making it faster and more accurate.due to efficiency gained through the division of labor.

          If carried in horizontal position with two or three point slings, shooting hand first had to go forward to grab the forward handle, and then push the bullpup forward and then have to most of lifting the bullpup to the eye level and then press the bullpup back to the chest/shoulder to get proper aiming position.

          Whereas with conventional battle carbines, one merely would have lift the shooting hand a little bit to grab the grip and use the supporting hand to lift/aim/point at the same time (more efficiency due to the division of the labor).

          2. Another contention is that with bullpup, the shooting arm does the most of the lifting and supporting the weight of the weapon (unlike conventional battle carbines, where supporting arm does the most of the lifting and supporting the weight), this makes trigger finger not conductive to fine motor skills. (When arm is fully extended and with its muscle fully deployed, the trigger finger loses it fine motor skills. This is why modified isosceles has taken over from the weaver stance among top pistol shooters.)

          Anyway, your post again helped me to decide against purchasing bullpups. Thanks for saving me a lot of money.

          I am really looking forward to reading your posts. You are one of the greatest assets at this site.

  • kalashnikev

    If Century can slap a Green Mountain barrel on the kits and get them to market for $500, I might buy my first bullpup.

    (…just as a novelty though!)

    • iksnilol

      500 for a Steyr AUG?

      You don’t know economics very well, do you? Also, why a Green Mountain barrel?

      • Steve Truffer

        Green mountain makes decent quality barrels for a fairly low price.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Green Mountain makes an excellent barrel at a reasonable cost.

      • kalashnikev

        Century Arms International is a company that buys parts kits and slaps them together (often poorly) with a Green Mountain barrel (barrel ban) and offers them for $500:
        Galil 397- $3K… Golani $500!
        HK 93- $2.5K… C93 $500!
        VZ58 $875… VZ2008 $500!

        Most of them are at least good for a parts kit…

    • KiwiShooter

      That would be great but the NZDF have always destroyed old gear rather than sell to civilians. Usually comes down to the EULA making such sales impossible, especially with US gear needing Sate Dept approval etc, same reason all the M113’s we had were scrapped, and we lost a fortune on the sale of our A-4 Skyhawk fleet, State Dept wouldn’t approve a sale.

      • Gallan

        They’ll probably give a fair few free weapons to the pacific islands around them.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        A lot of the A-4s went to Israel, Taiwan and other allies. We pretty much gave them away. Nothing new about that.

        • KiwiShooter

          Not from NZ they didn’t, and we weren’t given ours in the first place. There was a deal in the works with a private US based company wanting to buy our A-4’s at a good rate but the State Dept denied the sale. Possibly given the fact that they had significantly upgraded avionics and were almost on par with F-16’s. Not too sure what you are getting at there. I am of course speaking from a New Zealand perspective, not an American one.

          • kalashnikev

            I got it, NZ DoS.

          • http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw.html Daniel E. Watters

            No, it was the US DoS that nixed the deal. If a foreign country buys a US-designed weapon or even produces it completely within their borders under license, the US DoS demands the right to approve any future sales of that weapon by the foreign country.

          • KiwiShooter

            @danielewatters:disqus, Exactly.

          • http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw.html Daniel E. Watters

            http://www.state.gov/t/pm/rsat/c14021.htm

            “Pursuant to Section 3 of the Arms Export Control Act, if a country to
            which the United States has provided an item of military equipment wants
            to transfer that item to another country, to dispose of the item, or to
            use that item for a purpose other than that originally approved, the
            country must first obtain permission from the U.S. Government to do so.”

  • Zachary marrs

    If they really want to switch, it’ll be an ar or a tavor, if the ywant to keep a bullpup

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Remind me how the Tavor can be sized to different shooters and for the use of personal kit?

      • Zachary marrs

        I said if they want to stay wit a bullpup, and the tavor is more customizable than the aug, unless you can change out the forward grip. But most of my money’s hanging on an ar platform

        • Moses

          Probably. They actually have had really good luck with their LMT AR-10s, and it wouldn’t be surprising if they went with a traditional Stoner AR-15 or 416. I’m sure they’re looking at the SCAR and a couple others, though.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        The Tavor is smaller and at least for me easier to handle than the Aug. I just don’t see anyone creating a bullpup significantly superior to the Tavor.
        I was one of the first to get the Tavor when it was just released and I have thousands of rounds downrange with it. There’s nothing about it that would prevent me from adopting it for police work or on the battlefield.

        • Dannyboy

          The NZ Army has releases an RFI for a new rifle last year! the official process has already began – several companies has already submit the offers and I believe that they will announce the winner soon

        • Hyok Kim

          Have you handled FN2000? At least two experts in small arms regard them as the standard to judge all other bullpups?

        • Dr. Daniel Jackson

          I personally think the FN2000 is the best bullpup design but I understand like most firearms one size does not fit all.

          • scw

            F2000 is too “unconventionai”. It may sound silly but think about how little people has talk about it. And the military has never been associated with open-minded.

          • Dr. Daniel Jackson

            It may be unconventional but it is a very reliable platform and the mag release can easily be hit with one hand making mag changes very fast,I can reload an FN2000 quicker than just about any other rifle aside from my Scar 16 SBR.

        • Ahmed

          The Tavor would only be adopted by the NZDF if it’s the X95 version, probably. It’s got a shorter length of pull by at least an inch because they got rid of the ridiculous buttpad, and switching out the buttpad to give a longer length of pull is probably not that difficult.

          Though if they want very short length of pull(I don’t know how Kiwis shoot, or how short they are), they probably won’t go with a bullpup. It’s easy to imagine they’d go with an AR-15/416, or possibly the SCAR 16.

      • neoconfection

        Buttstock spacers is about the only option.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Cam Slater

      It won’t be a Tavor…the left wing whingers and whiners in this country will protest very loudly and the government will cave. THis deal is already done, just a matter of who provided the biggest brown paper bag full of cash…same way the MG tender was handled…dodgy…and any OIA requests were shut down immediately very hard.

  • Lance

    Bet two to one they adopt either the Colt M-4 or HK 416 for a rifle. Good riddance the AUG sucks anyway.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Prettttty sure there is a no trolling rule here now. Maybe back to KitUp ya?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I wouldn’t say that. It’s been in service for a long time and has worked well as far as I know.

    • Hyok Kim

      Why do you think AUG sucks?

  • Gallan

    NZDF relies on Australian fighter jets for protection of their skies. So their reliance on Australia for defence has never been greater. I’d be amazed if they don’t adopt the F90, which is just a upgraded Steyr Aug.

    Also, a bullpup is a must these days with the number of accessories mounted on the rifle. (Future soldiers proram)

    Someone should weigh down a bullpup with accessories then do the same with an M4 then have them compete. I wager the bullpup will win handily. And that’s with a fresh body, imagine holding your rifle for 5 hours, then doing the test.

    • Randoms

      Australia != Austria

    • Alan

      Mate, yah jokin’.
      NZDF don’t, haven,t and have no need to protect our skies.

    • Moses

      LOL the kiwis don’t have real enemies, and the Americans will protect them if they ever find any. The American Air Force of California alone is more powerful than that of all of Australia.

  • WFA

    A variant of the Australian F90 in 7.62 is under development at Lithgow.
    This would be entirely suitable for the job.

  • Fear naught

    Rumournati (like the illuminati but for nz army) is we may just get carbine legnth of the LMT DMW we recently adopted, the new DMW has been extremely popular and easy to use.

  • Geoff a well known Skeptic

    Interesting. I don’t know enough about NZ military experience. This might be a market for the Beretta AR, which has optional LR ejection and charging handle position literally while on the range without take down and field interchangeable barrels like the AUG. I don’t know the NZ position on “Automatic Riflemen” in the squad/section. The “Designated Marksman” seems to be important and has been for most “peace keeping” operations. So many forces seem to buy “bells and whistles” options and then never use them. Peacekeepers are often issued a pistol as well as a rifle and based on recent US experience in Afghanistan, I think everyone on the ground should have a pistol, just in case. Ever since the 1970’s I’ve been a fan of the “small” handgun. the SIG P6/225, S&W Shield, Ruger LC9 class. This goes back to comments made by a Luftwaffe officer about the Spanish Civil War, where the Walther PP and PPK were preferred over the Luger because it could go with you EVERYWHERE! Geoff Who hopes the opinion of the boots on the ground win out over the counters of beans, but I fear it is unlikely.

  • Geoff a well known Skeptic

    Given the small size of the force and the ease of maintenance of modern weapons, I wonder if a Rifle/Carbine solution is in order. One weapon system for combat troops, with interchangeable mission barrels / accessories and a carbine for the Rear Echelon Military Facilitators, the short Tavor for example. Both can use the same Ammo and magazines. Geoff Who speculates.

    • Gallan

      Beretta ARX-100 seems to be ideal. 20 inch barrel as standard and they carry a 10 inch barrel for room clearing and built up areas. Much lighter than a secondary firearm.

  • ascatrr

    Don;t read too much into it. They’ll buy new AUGs.

    The NZDF are still using the original fixed carry handle/sight AUGs. Unlike the ADF they never upgraded to newer models with rails etc.

    • KiwiShooter

      They did actually upgrade quite a few with new receivers in order to use ACOG’s etc. Just not all rifles got the treatment. I hope you aren’t right about new AUG’s but I have a sinking feeling.

  • idahoguy101

    It took only twenty years to wear out their AUGs? Other than sending a few NZSAS troopers to Afghanistan, where have the Kiwi’s been fighting wars? Just how fast does an AUG rifle wear out?

    • KiwiShooter

      Just about everywhere the US has haha. We had regular forces in Afghanistan too (Bamiyan Province), also numerous UN missions such as Sudan and East Timor. Wouldn’t say the current rifles are necessarily ‘worn out’ but rather outdated.

  • Jeremy David Thomson

    Article in the New Zealand herald.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278332

    I guess when they’re mentioning insufficient range they mean of the standard 1.5X optic.

    ‘A 2011 Ministry of Defence study found the rifles were not powerful enough to “identify accurately adversaries” and was “ineffective at ranges greater than 200m”.’

    I’d be surprised if the AUG has a range less than any other 5.56mm weapons. A full length barrel should give slightly better range a carbine length M4. Could the easy change barrel of the AUG be an accuracy issue? Piston guns don’t seem to be able to match the accuracy of the direct impingement ARs. Plus the AUG’s piston is to the side of the barrel rather than on top. I’ve heard stories of large variances in accuracy between Steyrs. Often wondered if the Aussies kept the best shooting F-88s for themselves and sold their poor cousins the leftovers.

    Also mentioned in the article is a poster on “The Firearm blog” but I see no comment matching here. Perhaps an older Firearm Blog article?

  • Grunz

    Advanced shooters do not seem to like Bullpups. I was recently in Israel and while most of the young infantry soldiers had Micro Tavors (neat gun) I did meet this one guy with tricked out, painted, IR/lights/lasers equipped 11.5″ M4. We talked a bit and it was clear that his “Special Unit” did not care much for the Tavor due to handling issues, reloads etc..

  • Harry of da wisdom

    So, is it true Kiwi MILFS have deeper voices than their male Kiwi counterparts?
    Is that why they have that cringeworthy white feather sticker on the rear window of their cars?
    Is that a feather of failure?
    I heard the next-gen NZ fatigue uniform is going to be Hi-viz yellow or orange, so they can also be worn in Australia doing menial stuff, and so the cops there can identify them quicker.

  • bullet

    I own an AUG clone. It’s not a bad rifle but it seems like once somebody uses an AR platform they develop an instant affinity for the ergonomics of the design—it’s like with an AR everything you have to do is far easier. The AUG is super simple to field strip and clean. My main gripe against it is its design is a bit too open, if you get what I mean, the cross-bolt safety is easily accidentally engaged or disengaged and I’m not sure what to think about how accessible the trigger is; I could shoot it wearing mittens probably but could it snag on something or somebody unintentionally? A bunch of squaddie types riding in a crowded vehicle all of them armed with AUGs most likely have a different perspective than somebody who doesn’t have to travel like that. I don’t have to worry so much about the trigger snagging on something since it travels in a case.

  • Ezra

    Good move. Bullpups are pretty horrible with what’s available now(at least to me, as an American).

  • 0987654321

    Not that I defend the AUG, but the photo caption is ridiculous. Come on, too large? I wonder how the little guys managed the L1A1.

    Steyr AUG is too large for the younger recruits
    Steyr AUG is too large for the younger recruits
    Steyr AUG is too large for the younger recruits