Satellite Gun Kill Switch Patented

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Robert at the TheTruthAboutGuns.com blogged that smart gun maker Armatix GmbH patented a system that can (in theory) remotely enable or disable a firearm via. a satellite. An extract from the patent is below …

Preferably the device, such as a clock, also equipped with a GPS satellite transmitter and meadow preferably covers at least one of the following functions:

Operating conditions, such as a weapon (who, when fired) are placed on the establishment of the satellite to a central office

Target means, for example a weapon, the device can, for example, a clock can be remotely activated

Target device, such as a gun can be unlocked by means of a built-in GPS transmitter in it only in certain places.

Either the controller or the external device, or both may have their own power supply. This energy can be either a battery, a fuel cell, a piezoelectric cell or a solar cell comprising. In a preferred embodiment, both feature, the control unit and the transponder has its own battery. If either the control unit or the transponder does not have its own energy supply, via the wireless communication link not only data, but also power is transmitted.

Now, I have read the patent and it is complete horse****.  It is a vague description of a concept which depends on complex battery and transmitter/antenna technology not yet invented. For example, it does not specify how you would place a satellite transmitter and its antenna inside a small gun with enough battery power to maintain a sat data connection. It does not because such technology does not yet exist. Armatix are simply hoping that if such technology does come to market within the next 20 years, the patent will grant them a monopoly on using it to disarm firearms.

What the patent does tell us is the direction Armatix are moving in. ShortTimer wrote on his blog “Of course a remote shut-off is the next step …. This is a long march through gun culture for them. Fortunately it’s still a difficult one for the most part.”

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  • Morora

    GPS Malfunction : carbine class, soon available.

    • dp

      I believe they tinker with this idea for cars already. I would not be surprise if they make it “standard” equipment with every purchase, like it or not.

  • mikewest007

    …just how stupid this concept is? And how easy to abuse during a conflict? I’m certain that in some cases, idiots from ministries of defense would get the undoubtedly bright idea to fit military weapons with that sort of shit, in order to prevent them from “getting into enemy hands and used against our soldiers”. Horseshit. Every computer system can be hacked, and woe betide the fools who end up with their army’s guns bricked by enemy hackers on the eve of an invasion.

    • Raven

      That was basically the plot of Metal Gear Solid 4, wasn’t it?

      • GUNxSPECTRE

        Literally getting shot and killed by finger-guns powered by kindergarten levels of pew-pews.
        No worse and humiliating way to die.

      • mikewest007

        Hey, if Stephen King invented ramming office towers with airliners, other great ideas might come from fiction as well.
        I hope nobody showed “The Dark Knight” to those morons from TSA…

  • bulletproof

    ok whats next smart ammo?

    • Chris

      DARPA is already working on that.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXACTO
      Although guided missiles are already technically “Smart ammo”. As you can’t fire them without a CLU.

  • Weaver

    I see a whole lot of Nopes

  • Andrew

    Skynet just became self-aware.

    In related news, sword prices jump 1000%.

    • GUNxSPECTRE

      So, will gunblades be a thing again?

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Just ignore these clowns. The idea is nonsense, the patent is nonsense, the company is a joke. They know they’ve got a cheerleading group of thousands… And a group of a hundred million that would never go for the idea.

    They’re just trying to get their name in the news, and it’s working.

    So, ignore them please. Mock and criticize any company that works with or supports them, but don’t give them the less they want specifically.

    It’s a terrible idea, that’s obvious and with a free market they’ll disappear. Let’s try not to prolong their existence.

  • Liquid Ocelot

    THE GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS!

    • Old Snake

      LIQUIIIIIIIIIDDDD!!!!!!

      • Otacon

        Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!

  • ThoughtProvoking

    What is nonsense? This is current technology. Cell phones utilize GPS now. Smart guns have to have a battery to power the RF chip/detector now. Why can’t a GPS circuit with a cutoff via RF also be incorporated onto the chip? Smart guns within a given area of denial could be rendered useless via RF signal.
    I’m not laughing, this is a tyrant’s wet dream.

  • jimmarch

    I’m actually glad they stepped all over their dicks with this one. This will give a whole new twist to the inevitable lawsuits that will stem from smart-gun litigation in New Jersey, California, etc.

    See, once this sort of thing is even a *possibility*, the “gun” in question no longer meets any possibly criteria as a “militia weapon”. Follow? And the concept of a militia and the right to overthrow a corrupt government is built into the core of the US legal system.

    These German pro-totalitarian jackarses didn’t realize the legal and constitutional can of worms they just cracked open.

    I’ve actually been to the Stasi Museum in what was east Berlin. See, when the Russians imposed Stalinism on East Germany and the rest of the “Warsaw Pact”, many of the other countries were uneasy under Soviet rule. Czechoslovakia and Hungary are two notable examples…the Russians had to send tanks in to each and the totalitarian grip wasn’t that strong at any time. Today both the Czech Republic and Slovakia have pretty awesome gun laws and the Czechs even have shall-issue CCW(!) which puts them well ahead of the Swiss.

    But the East Germans? Holy crap…they took to Stalinism like a duck takes to water. Did it so hardcore the KGB ended up learning from them.

    German culture has…issues. Trying to let Germans get involved in US gun control policy is…just…no. Hellllll no.

    • dp

      I concur. Germies always want to out-do themselves, be it in good or WRONG way. They love discipline and submission to authority.

    • Schadavi

      Armatix only reaches for the US market since we German gun owners swiftly kicked them out, and they suspect the US to be easy prey.

      Armatix has given up on the German market and currently tries to press money out of their “business partners” – H&K and Anschütz, because both ceased cooperation with them after getting pressure from their customers.

      They also sued a gun magazine and a TV show (Visier and Frontal21) because their product failed in their tests, and filed a declaration to cease and desist against both for reporting about this lawsuit.

      The German gun scene is small, but well connected. No one will buy any Armatix product here, and where we are required by law to use it, we go out of our way to buy from a competitor.

      Have fun with them, may they fail in every way possible.

      • Limonata

        You wouldn’t happen to have some links for that information. I am sure there are plenty of USA gun blogs that would love to report about it. This sounds like a good story that needs to be heard

        • Schadavi

          Here it is, neatly compiled and assorted into a PDF (we are Germans after all)

          http://www.triebel.de/2011/Armatix-Dossier.pdf

          Triebel is a German gun shop in Berlin, Katja Triebel is very active rallying for gun rights in Germany and recently was invited to one of the biggest German talk shows to talk about gun laws and violence.

          • Cynic

            What do they make that you have to use?

          • Schadavi

            Nothing.
            There is a law that makes heirs of guns block them until they acquire a license for them. Armatix makes some of these gun locks, but most buy from a cheaper competitor.

  • Roy G Bunting

    Satellite probably means something like a home wireless router or cell tower.

    I see a future where tech minded gun owners are building rail mounted electronic devices that spoof the internals. Where criminals drill out the soliniods to disable the locks. Where home made guns begin to ramp up. The future is gun laundering.

    • AMX

      No, they really do mean a satellite in space.
      BUT!
      - only as a “preferred” option.
      - they DON’T want to put the sat transceiver into the gun, but into some other device, “preferrably a watch” (which fits with their current concept of having the gun only work in proximity to a special wristwatch)

      And of course, you are right about “gun laundering” – this nonsense is trivial to subvert.

  • Jeff Smith

    This seems to be the way people are using the patent system these days. Create a broad, sweeping patent, wait for someone to make something similar, sue them for part of their profits, repeat.

    And that’s where we get the term “patent troll”.

  • wetcorps

    I’ll just wrap my smart gun in tin foil. You know, just in case.

  • patrickiv

    Textbook definition of patent trolling.

  • Guest

    Now MI6 realized that 007 lost his gun at Germany.

  • dp

    Here we go, so much for conspiracies. They disable you remotely.

  • Dave Parks

    Perhaps the NRA should start snatching up these patents and drafting some of their own. They could then use those patents to sue “smart gun” companies out of existence and prevent firearms with these “features” from ever making it to market.

    • Danmaku

      That is genius. That is one thing I do not like about the NRA, they aren’t very proactive about gun control measures. Oh sure, they definitely fight hard defending some of the scariest gun control measures, and they are effective, but the NRA is like the Bush administration. They mean well, and fight righteously, but their enemies fight dirty. The NRA knows that they are already branded as “radicals” by the OPFOR in our country, but I have yet to see the NRA employ similar tactics that our enemies use. For example, the recent facebook/twitter/whatever thing where gun owners quickly registered the name for an upcoming anti-firearm group and used it to promote firearms. That is smart, and effective, but even then the NRA put a note to tell the public they do not condone such actions. WTF? Maybe they don’t want to be held liable, but really, do they think that will stop the opposition? Hardly. The NRA should be a little bit craftier in my opinion. They certainly work hard enough to warrant it.

      • Dave The Great

        Depending on whose numbers you use to establish the number of gun owners in the USA, somewhere between 92% and 95% of gun owners decline to join the NRA, despite the free memberships, discounts on ammo, admission to NRA-only gun ranges, free liability insurance and so on.

        92-95% of us see some fundamental flaw in the NRA. Even among us gun owners, the NRA is a provably, numerically, quantifiably a fringe group.

  • Guest

    wow, talk about some shit NOBODY is going to buy ever. this is no doubt a red flag product for a red flag event. stay away, its a trap!!!!

  • Michael Wilson

    wow!!!! really????

  • Hunter57dor

    do YOU want to deal with a helpdesk tech when your gps datalink goes down?
    do YOU want a fairly tech savvy criminal to, say, purchase a jammer for that radio frequency spectrum, (like the ones that already exist for cellphones) place it in the bushes in front of your house, and then rob you?

    does any part of having an ultimately failure prone electrical device as part of a defense strategy sound like a reasonable idea?

    -sincerely,
    a gun toting network engineer

    • Cymond

      Hypothetically, the gun could be ‘active’ by default and require a specific signal to disable the gun. A jammer would simply prevent that signal from being transmitted. In that case, the jammer would do nothing to disable the gun.
      Of course, Armatix would never do that.

      • gunslinger

        replace jammer with signal spamer, i.e. it sends out hundreds of kill codes to target your gun?

        • Cymond

          Yes, but that would require knowing the kill codes, which certainly adds another level of difficulty in the project. If someone can find the correct codes, then anything with a digital key is vulnerable, including my car and garage door opener.

  • derfelcadarn

    What level of stupid would one need to descend to, to actually purchase one of these guns?

    • ◭◭◭◭◭◭◭◭◭◭

      It’s a .22lr for self defense, So go off that.

  • Gabe1971

    Build a better mousetrap, someone builds a better mouse.
    While I’m sure The State would make it illegal to modify a “smartgun” to remove restrictions, the procedures on how to disable these restrictions will quickly hit the internet.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    I do look forward to how terrible the reviews are when this finally does hit the market. That is, does anyone expect this gun electronics-aside will rival the reliability of function of a Glock/M&P/Walther/Whatever? Does anyone expect the gun to take down and clean easily? It’s going to be a trash-firearm, and worse it’ll be a bad idea on top of that.

    There will be tests with tinfoil stopping the function. There will be battery tests that make a mockery of the entire idea. It’s going to be a joke.

    Like I wrote before this company is just seeking attention. Don’t give it to them, until there is product to actually review, because that’s going to be damning.

    • gunslinger

      i can see this for LEO firearms. but i don’t wannt it on my pesonal firearms

      • OldFart

        Only things the government owns does it have any right to control.
        Think about that one for a minute…

  • dan citizen

    I think this is a great idea.

    If proven reasonably reliable (agreeably a “big if”) then it could be used on law enforcement weapons to improve public safety.

    Currently, the odds of a police officer prematurely or inappropriately firing his/her weapon at an innocent person or endangering bystanders greatly outweighs the possibility that an officer’s weapon will be unavailable when needed.

    I imagine it would go something like this…

    Officer: “I have encountered a jaywalker in a crowded park and want my sidearm unlocked in case this accountant reaches for a weapon (wallet, cell phone)”
    Dispatch: “Hell no”

  • Broz

    Let’s see these lunatics patent a similar system for knives, axes. cudgels, bare hands and golf clubs…just imagine…Martha Moxley might still be alive!!!

  • me ohmy

    and that is negated with my 1918 1911 45acp which needs no damn satellite.. and has been killing ever since it was built

    • OldFart

      Right on. Invent whatever fictional space guns your imagination wants, my holster will still be full of old fashioned mechanical steel wrapped around 7 rounds of “F$%K YOU”.

  • Is this shit even waterproof?

  • Pete Sheppard

    Kill switch for smart guns–is anyone surprised?

  • Cynic

    Hopefully this means no one will ever do it as the hard work means zilch ergo no kill switch. Hopefully though if there is one the guy who invented and pushed this smart gun crap has it used on him before he is mugged and has his now useless “smart gun” shoved up his bottom until he can’t yawn without muzzle sweeping people.

  • Herdo Bujaratheiser

    Patents are for ideas, not for things you’ve actually made.

  • BlackNAmerica2

    Americans dont want no Smart Guns.The Dumb ones work just fine!..