Pentagon to scrap of $1.2 Billion worth of ammunition

Fort Campbell's recycling program.

Fort Campbell's recycling program.

The Pentagon is planning on destroying $1.2 billion dollars worth of ammunition, representing less than 2% of the $70 billion conventional ammunition stockpile. USA Today …

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon plans to destroy more than $1 billion worth of ammunition although some of those bullets and missiles could still be used by troops, according to the Pentagon and congressional sources.

It’s impossible to know what portion of the arsenal slated for destruction — valued at $1.2 billion by the Pentagon — remains viable because the Defense Department’s inventory systems can’t share data effectively, according to a Government Accountability Office report obtained by USA TODAY.

The result: potential waste of unknown value.

It does not seem unreasonable to me that the Pentagon wants to decrease their stockpile (which must cost a lot each year in maintenance) after the large build up that followed Operation Enduring Freedom. If they really wanted to save money they could sell loaded .50 cal and smaller caliber rounds rather than scrapping them. They would make a decent profit!

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  • Porterhaus

    How is this logical at all?
    “We have too much stuff. The people we work for want this stuff. We could make a lot of money if we sell some of this stuff. Let’s destroy all our stuff.”

    • RawDawg

      It’s logical because the big G doesn’t want us to have the fuel to fight a war in the event that we would need to. We being the people and the antagonist being a shadowy, mysterious, omnip[otent orginization. Fill in the blanks for yourself.

    • Kikkihiiri

      It’s taxpayers money, so no one cares about making money.

      • John Sjöström

        The ones that make bullets. How would they feed their families if they can’t make and sel bullets? =P

    • Jim Jones

      I know this site is not political, but it’s pretty clear that this administration makes everything political. It’s kind of like De Blasio making it a rule that those who want to buy used brass from the NYPD ranges must sign a “pledged” that they will be melted down for scrap and not sold to ammunition companies. Who cares if we lose money; think of the children!

      • John D

        Well, De Blasio is a commie, so no surrise

    • Martin M

      The excuses have been made that there is a lack of money, software, etc. The bottom line is that there is a lack of will to do a good job.

    • n0truscotsman

      That’s how kleptocracies work.

    • Michel_T

      Probably the same that says empty brass casings are to be sold for scrap (not reloads).

      But hey! It’s only a few billion $…

  • hkryan

    A government agency “can’t share data effectively”? *shock*

    • gunslinger

      shocked. shocked i tell you

    • Yellow Devil

      Which is why I shake my head when I hear people want the government involved in their “healthcare”.

      Oh and even turning in unfired, perfectly fine excess ammunition in it’s original packaging to the ammo depot was a waste in fuel, time, paperwork and futility.

    • Paladin

      Shocked, even moreso when I realize that disqus won’t render .gifs

  • OptimusDerf

    Or just pass it along to Guard and Reserve units that are constantly told “there’s not enough ammo for more live-fire practice.”

    • 11b

      Exactly. Even Active Duty would use it…. everyone loves range time! Minus the 12 hours of hurry up and wait, but still…

    • skusmc

      Even active duty. As a Marine POG we were told this all the time. How about giving us some .50 time other than the twenty rounds or so we got at MCT?

      • Phil Hsueh

        I totally agree, there are plenty of units out there who would love some live fire time and I know that most, if not all, Marine non-03s would love more time behind an M2, M240, & M249. Shooting it all up sure seems like a much better thing than simply destroying it, it costs less money and helps train the troops to boot.

        • http://RenderRanch.com/ Zermoid

          Fully agree, even if there are some duds it’s still usable as training ammo! And an occasional dud will teach how to clear a weapon as well, win, win in my book.

          • Andy Perry

            Total win for sure, any practice is good , failure practice will save lives in the long run definitely.

        • Ken

          But then the gov’t wouldn’t be able to fulfill their ability to flush money down the toilet as efficiently.

    • Jim Stocc

      But that would make sense, and if you have been in long enough as im sure you have, a good idea is one worth not listening to.

  • Giolli Joker

    Probably the cartridges are no longer considered safe (I know it’s BS but likely there’s some sort of conventionally applied “expiry date”) so the government selling them would theoretically put the user at risk, therefore they have to arrange the destruction.
    BTW, the photo shows a box of fired brass (as probably the other 6)… that would actually be worth a lot to reloaders’ market but could still be sold as scrap material for recycling.

    • Mark N.

      The Pentagon does not recycle used cartridges, nor allow them to be sold for reloading, but they probably do make the brass recycling plant–and it would not surprise me in the least if they paid someone to move the stuff, rather than having someone buy it off of them.

      • Giolli Joker

        Yep, I meant brass recycling as a raw material… I’m sure they wouldn’t sell the casings to reloaders, I’m just saying that’s a lost profit. ;-)
        You’re likely right on the “paying someone to move the stuff” bit…

      • Doopington

        Well, gov’t brass is perfectly available if you have the money to buy bulk and then go get it and sort through usable casings.
        http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=results&fromsearch=true&words=casings

        • Doopington

          Also, at lots of THOUSANDS of lbs of brass, I hope any non-corporate buyers of those lots have time in spades to sort through all that.

          One of those lots is an amazing 13.5k lbs of old, probably rusty .50 cal brass.

  • Axel

    Why is the box marked “50 cal ball” filled with empty casings?

    • gunslinger

      stock photo?

    • Martin M

      You’ll notice that every lot is marked Ball. Whomever weighed and marked the lots likely thought that was just what you write on lots of brass.

    • FourString

      maybe they were having a ball of a time destroying the ammo

    • Yellow Devil

      Could be turned-in brass from the range. They would weigh the brass minus ball weight to ensure you weren’t stealing ammo, within certain guidelines knowing you were going to miss picking up some brass casings from your FTX or range.

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      Its of a Fort Campbell collects all the brass used and sells it for scap, then uses the proceeds to benefit the local community.

      http://www.army.mil/article/117279/On_post_recycling_nets_big_returns/

  • Rusty Shackleford

    Yes, they could sell the small arms ammo to us. Even if they were worried about liability, they could have a contract signed by the wholesaler to assume all responsibility who in turn has the end buyers sign wavers, instead they destroy them. The truth is it’s a slap in the face to all of us “evil gun people”.

    • COBRACHOPPERGIRL

      That’s brilliant. Bill you for it once as the taxpayer, so you pay for it. Then you pay for it a second time, to buy it a second time! Its a merchandiser’s dream. Double billing the same customer for a single item. Awesome.

      Would you buy a car, pay for it, and then let someone else drive it around for 10 years… and when they finally get tired of it, because its aged and wearing out, offer to sell it to you a second time…. and you think, wow, that’s a great deal, I’ll buy it a second time, and finally I get to use it! That’s a lot better than you destroying it. Because that would be wasteful! I’ll readily buy it a second time…!

  • M

    They don’t want to sell it to us because they don’t want an armed citizenry. Face it, this government want to completely abolish the 2nd amendment.

    • Rocketman

      Dead on “M” dead on. The Obama administration is always thinking that EVERYTHING is political.

      • DiverEngrSL17K

        While you are focusing on this particular topic, you might also want to closely examine the past practices of prior administrations, including those you once thought truly firearms-friendly and more to your political liking. The hard truth might surprise you to a much greater degree than you ever envisaged. The harsh reality of politics precludes no sacred cows, regardless of what you — or I, or anyone else, for that matter — might prefer to think.

        • c

          Without examples your rant is meaningless!

    • GunTotingLib

      Exactly right , that is why they have taken absolutely NO measures to accomplish that goal,…those tricky bastards..

  • CowardlyHero

    if there worried about them being “expired” they could always pull the bullets dump the powder and sell them as components. Hell you could even use the powder for fertilizer.

  • Fruitbat44

    Scratches head. In spite of what the report says, maybe it is ammo which is so far gone it’s no longer to safe to store or use. (It wouldn’t be the first time a news reporter has gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick.) Or maybe it is actually cheaper to destroy it than sell it. Or maybe the left hand (selling Army surplus stock) doesn’t know what the right (disposing of surplus stock) hand’s doing. -shrug-

  • Captain Paintball

    What is worse than hoarding ammunition? Hoarding it, then DESTROYING it to keep it out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

    • COBRACHOPPERGIRL

      1984. Perpetual war. By keeping the states in perpetual war, they can destroy excess surplus and thereby prevent wealth from accumulating in the lower classes, thereby keeping them forever crushed under their heel. Didn’t you read 1984 by George Orwell. I though when 1984 came around, everybody read 1984. Go read 1984. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is Strength. And Big Brother is watching you….

  • Vince Hawkins

    Here in the UK, surplus ammo is sold to the civilian market for target use.
    Why waste assets ?

    • allannon

      It used to be, through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

      However, there’s the possibility that this isn’t civilian-useful ammo (e.g. Raufoss bullets for .50BMG, or stock of large ammunition like for a Bushmaster), or the tin-hat types could be right* and it’s an effort to keep from depressing ammo prices.

      * To be fair, right _again_, in light of the actions of e.g. the NSA and UK’s GCGQ.

    • Rocketman

      I thought that civilian firearms were all but extinct in england or am I mistaken?

      • Vince Hawkins

        We are still permitted to use bolt & lever action rifle of any caliber.
        Also, carbines ( long barreled pistols with shoulder stocks )
        Muzzle loaded pistols are now quite common.
        At least black powder is cheap to shoot !

  • Eric

    Hmm, so let me get this straight, DHS placed orders for around 1 billion rounds of ammo last year and this year the Pentagon wants to get rid of roughly the same amount of ammo. I’m laughing and crying at the same time at just how inept and wasteful our government is and how much their idiotic decisions have raised the price of ammunition for civilians. One has to wonder if these decisions are an intentional attempt by this administration to drive up the price of ammunition.

    • seans

      Can we end that info wars bullshit. DHS never requested a billion rounds. People who don’t know how to read a government contract came up with that bullshit.

      • GunTotingLib

        But it makes a good story, so don’t screw it up with facts.

  • Casey

    It doesnt indicate what type of ammo is being destroyed. It could easily be ammunition with no civilian purpose, ie explosive, very large caiber (think 20mm +) corroded, tracer. Theres no reason to assume they are going to blow up a trillion rounds of 5.56mm just because.

    • BryanS

      I can think of very civilian uses for most of that, if i were allowed by my betters to be able to purchase it.

      But, our Constitution clearly states “…shall not be infringed, unless we deem to be only accessible to federal and law enforcement agencies.”

      We all know that the nation founded by those that just fought the largest army in the world wanted to create a nation with a government that could never be overruled by its people. Yep.

      • GunTotingLib

        You’re right I would feel much “free-er” if everyone started stockpiling explosive munitions in their basements until the day they ” felt” our government crossed the light.

  • DashVT

    Thats ridiculous. The ammo should be sold to the CMP the way it used to be.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      True, but look at what “you-know-who” did to all those M1 Garands and M1 Carbines South Korea was trying to give back to the CMP. Don’t you just love Executive Orders?

  • sianmink

    Reduce their stockpile? Depots and magazines are empty, they’ve got Lake City running nothing but government contracts to replace everything they’ve used up in the last 10 years of fighting wars on the cheap, to the point where you can’t buy ball powder anywhere..
    So they want to replenish their stockpile and reduce their stockpile at the same time. No shit the DoD’s inventory systems can’t share info effectively.

    • BryanS

      Its so they can say they need a larger budget next year to purchase more stuff.

      Wish I could do that with my boss… “Excuse me, I spent more than I got paid this year, so you need to compensate”.

    • Michel_T

      Must be one of those tricks… where in order to get ‘this’ discount, you need to have a ‘loss’ in that column.

      That’s a bit like some department/agencies going on spending spree at the end of the fiscal year… because if they end the year with $$ in their accounts, they might see their budget reduced.

  • Cleanrumble

    New to comments section. I had to join after reading this article because it upset me so much! I work for a very small police department and we had a hard time getting 5.56 and 7.62 ammo for our yearly qualifications. We ended up having to purchase very expensive target ammo to shoot at paper targets 50′ away. We have received military surplus (a Hummer, guns, etc.) in the past so why could the government not give the ammo to police departments that need it?

  • gunslinger

    sell ammo to the public… um….

  • dp

    “military-industrial complex” anyone…? Makers were paid, so what. := )))

  • d_grey

    All that ammo gone to waste….

  • ColaBox

    Nooooooo…..!

  • Hunter57dor

    so other government agency’s are acquiring ammo from our market, and the pentagon wants to destroy perfectly good ammo?

    And i do not believe the “expired” nonsense. the .30-06 from ww2 still works just fine as loaded, the relatively modern propellants and stuff from the gulf war are not going to go bad any time soon.

    • Ken

      It wasn’t exactly destroyed, but dismantled and sold as components. You can still find pulled .30/06 projectiles. They have the three cut marks in them from the machine that cut the brass and yanked the bullet out. They bullets need to be fed through a sizer before being loaded. I believe now they air pull bullets, so no cut marks.

      Look up Talon Mfg. They used to buy surplus ammo, break it down and deactivate the primers as required by law, and then remanufacture it with new primers. They got in some sort of trouble and got shut down.

    • Fed24

      The issue is the primers, indeed WW2 vintage .30-06 stored well will work fine. The old corrosive primers keep very well and is one of the reasons the Russians still used them for their service rifles until quite recently. Modern primers whilst being non-corrosive are far more prone to deterioration after a certain period. Generally the theory is the ammunition will certainly go bang when you pull the trigger for a number of years regardless of how it has been stored. They will test how the ammo works after being stored in different climatic and humidity conditions and work out the bell curve of reliability. They will then pick a date on that bell curve where all the ammo however it has been stored will work regardless. After that it might well work perfectly many years beyond that arbitrary point if stored in ideal conditions but that is not guaranteed.

      Here in the UK the British military will shoot off ammunition after a certain amount of years for this exact reason. Also it won’t be sold off to the civilian market because of liability issues. If a civilian buys some time expired surplus and then there is an accident the MOD (the British version of the DOD) could well find itself at the receiving end of a lawsuit. I wouldn’t be surprised if the US DOD has the same liability issues, so they have to scrap/destroy rather then sell on. On a curious side note civilian shooters here in the UK can buy surplus brass off the military or Landmarc (the company that manages MOD firing ranges). The .50 cal shooters in my rifle club here in the UK use ex MOD brass.

      Nothing nefarious about that really just one of those things, a shame and a bit of a waste down to slightly bad accounting. I agree with the others here who have pointed out that the ammo should of been fed out to reserve units for training before it hit the expiry date.

      In the end it ensures our troops will have ammunition that works whatever the conditions which is a good thing and keeps ammunition plant workers busy.

      Just for fun here is a video of the Radway Green plant that makes ammunition for the British Army, it has just been rebuilt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKS41dtGDS8

  • Jack

    I just got dizzy and a vomited a little, thinking about all those wasted rounds.

  • tt_ttf

    To all those asking why not sell it – A law was passed back in the Clinton era that surplus ammo could not be sold – as I understand it, it is burned if loaded, the spend rounds are for the most part crushed.

    That is a major part of the current shortages – the vast majority of what is sold commercially is not “surplus” but reject lots and if lucky overages from specific runs but most is the first group – lots where testing a couple of rounds failed some criteria so the entire lot gets rejected

    • Ken

      Look up Talon Mfg. I believe the law requires that the ammo has to be broken down and sold as components. They used to buy surplus ammo, break it down and deactivate the primers as required by law, and then remanufacture it with new primers.
      They got in some sort of trouble and got shut down.

      You can still find pulled .30/06 projectiles. They have the three cut
      marks in them from the machine that cut the brass and yanked the bullet
      out. They bullets need to be fed through a sizer before being loaded. I
      believe now they air pull bullets, so no cut marks.

      • GunTotingLib

        I still buy 70′s vintage loaded 30.06 military rounds through the Civilian Marksmanship program.

        • Ken

          The Greek made ammo was never US property, so the CMP could import them like any commercial entity would. However, it is full US spec ammo since HXP was a part of the US offshore procurement program. They would produce ammo to US specs, so that the US military could buy it if it needed to, or of its allies needed it. I believe it was the Olin Corp which helped HXP set up their .30/06 and supplied the powder.

    • BryanS

      Laws can be repealed. But only by an honest government that is really run by the people.

  • Tom

    This is just seems to be part of the West disposable culture, I have responsibility at work for maintaining our first aid supplies. Bandages and dressings along with many other things have use by dates and we have to discard them once they have expired. In effect perfectly useful items are thrown away so we can buy more.

    Too little info to make any sort of accurate conclusion ie. as others have said maybe this is incendiary or HE and thus of no use to police/civilians or other potential buyers. But my guess here is that the military is throwing stuff away so that in 6 months time they can claim the strategic reserve is dangerously low and they must make a massive purchase of ammo. And some guy we don’t know will make a fortune.

    • patrickiv

      Medical supplies are a bit different because they can expire in a matter of a few years(adhesive bandages dry up, OTC medication breaks down, etc.). I’ve opened up a 5-year old, untouched first aid kit to find that the glue holding the “sterile” gauze packets together had dried up and allowed the packets to come apart. Doesn’t military ammo come sealed in airtight plastic packets? If so then it should last for decades.

  • Jeff Smith

    Just wondering: is the article referring to live ammo or spent casings? From the picture, it would appear to be spent brass.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Live ammo of various types. 5.56,50 cal, mortar rounds you name it.

      • Jeff Smith

        I think I just died a little inside.

      • GunTotingLib

        You start adding in mortar rounds and other explosive munitions you can get to some real money quickly.

  • Jared Maxwell

    They should just sell the damn stuff. I’ll buy it.

  • Rocketman

    In the old Soviet Union they almost never let anything go to waste. I remember reading that when old WW2 era T-34 tanks ended their useful lives and weren’t worth rebuilding then they would take the tank and dig it in the ground up to the base of the turret near airfields and bridges or anything else that needed to be defended. That way they would have an armored 85mm cannon and machine gun to help defend it.

    • BobTrent

      The main thing in Russian military thinking is that the gun crew would be forced to stand and fight, as the buried tank with disabled drive could not turn and run.

    • buzzman1

      The Russians have a few thousand of the old T-34s buried as armored pill boxes along their border with China. Concept is ok but they have been there so long the Chinese know where they are all buried and can easily destroy them.

  • Bob

    The reporter did not do their homework: American Mercenary has an excellent explaination:

    http://randomthoughtsandguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/billions-of-dollars-of-ammunition.html

  • Manimal

    Those appear to be empty cases in the picture.

  • Aaron E

    Didn’t U.S. Homeland Security put in an order for around 1 billion rounds last year? I think I have a solution – you can have this old surplus ammo and save the tax payers about $300 million. And the couple of hundred million rounds left – to the Reserves, Guard, and local police agencies. Then let the active troops actually shoot some of the 70 billion rounds in stock, cause you know … they’re going to buy more anyway!

    Political disaster avoided!

  • Greensoup

    The title of the story is misleading, I can find nothing in any article that references any useful ammunition. If anything the whole point of the article seems to be the fact that resources that were available we not properly redistributed between military branches properly before expiring. Its an article about branches of the military using non-compatible inventory systems. Has nothing to do with consumer end “ammo”. Basically inflammatory BS.

    I don’t think selling expired hellfire missles or stingers to the general public is responsible. Nor is putting them in service where it would risk lives.

  • Wesley John Blokker

    I hope they will at least recycle the material! But it would be better yet to sell it to the public if they are intend of getting rid of the stuff! But like others said, There are plenty of soldiers who would love them selves some range time.

  • Jon Bovi

    I’m pretty sure a lot of that stockpile that has been sitting since the cold war, I shot powder through Artillery in 2010 that we in stockpiled in 1973, and I thought the powder was of questionable reliability and wondered if it was really safe to trust the ability for the powder to burn the way it should be, having been in stockpile nearly 37 years

    • Jimbo

      In 1972, I ate C-rations packed in 1948. Best peaches I ever ate. The ham and eggs, brownie, and other stuff was good too. Oh, and the matches worked. So what’s your point? Why can’t the public use it.

  • Rocky

    Biggest question I would have in this entire deal is… Why would you destroy
    ammo to begin with???

    How about we increase the number of training
    missions and range time, and burn it up?

    How about we leave it in those
    sealed ammo boxes until we need it?

    How about we locate Klinger, and see
    what he can trade it for?

    How about we give it to law enforcement for
    training purposes?

    How about we offer it for sale to the civilian
    market?

    I mean seriously… it’s inside a cardboad box, in a vacuum
    sealed plastic bag, inside another plastic bag, inside an airtight metal ammo
    can; it can’t possibly spoil. This is not to mention that keeping things for
    future use is not a big deal for the military, he11 they fed us Korean Era
    C-Rations when I was in the Air Force from ’76 – ’79. I’m pretty sure that if
    canned food can last 20+ years, and still not kill you, that canned ammo can
    last just as long, if not longer.

  • milesdigby

    On the face of it throwing away ammo is crazy stupid. But the Ammo I have from the US gov is 30’06 from back in the day. I believe it was left over from the Korean war. Back then everyone used these to hunt with.

    The main reason I feel its different is that, the Pentagon is a pro at wasting money and the government does not want everyone with a .50 calliber or .223 black gun to be flooded with ammo to practice with.

    It also be that you would KILL the Ammo makers, (not kidding) this whole thing may have come down from the Red states were they rely on ammo production as the only biz in town in some very rural areas.

    I am thinking of ID factory I visited where they made 1.5 billion .22 a year, as well as other rounds. Truly a one industry town. I do not think this is so far fetched.

  • Guest

    Since it is THE PEOPLE that paid for it, maybe they should consider giving it away for free as alternative tax refunds. Oh… Right… Forgot it’s the gun grabbing govt that hates its citizens and sees a potential threat to everything in a law abiding gun owner, so it’s a given no-no, destroy, detroy it all before the people can get a hold of what they paid for!

  • Aaron E

    I believe that U.S. Homeland Security ordered around $1 billion worth of ammo recently. I think I have a solution – let Homeland Security have this surplus ammo (it’s for training anyway), and anything left over let the active troops actually shoot! They’re going to buy more anyway, right?! And it will save the taxpayer about $300 million.

  • BobTrent

    “Money with them [politicians] is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it.” — Attrib. to (Congressman) Davy Crockett

  • Jimmy Persinger

    Since we the citizens paid for it all,why not just give it away to us via the NRA and other legit Gun groups rather than just destroy it.

  • Prince Bruce

    I know this seems silly but, the US Army has kept very poor records on the manufacture dates on this ammunition. It does have an expiration date. The sad part of this is that is civilian re loaders will not likely get the brass! Pretty sad about that!!!

  • Hopsaregood

    Give or sell to us the American citizens?? No, Obama opposes that, okay. How about giving it to the Ukrainian government?

  • SayWhat

    Does anyone in the Obama administration ever think through a decisions?

  • SMITH GARY SMITH

    What happens when we have an excess of people on Obama Care? With the Billion rounds bought by the “Homeland Security” I am sure they don’t require more. And on another note what is homeland security doing at the sights of tornadoes with President Obama?

  • tractor357

    This little blurb does not tell the whole story. It involves missiles and rockets and artillery rounds in addition to small arms ammunition. The biggest problem is there are barriers to different branches being able to share excess ammunition. So if the Army is not allowed to transfer it to the Marines then they are required to dispose of it. Government red tape is the problem here, it is not as simple as some may make it sound.

    • Jimbo

      It’s simple. You just do it. You must be a government employee.

  • Jamie Clemons

    So they can buy up more ammo and keep the ammo shortage going. So they can waste even more taxpayer money on the real reason our government has no money the military.

  • Jamie Clemons

    They sell Russian ammo from WWII online it works flawlessly fine.

  • COBRACHOPPERGIRL

    Why the FUCK does our government own 70 billion dollars worth of ammunition?. Period. And that’s just small arms stuff. Is it that fucking paranoid its population will rise up against them and over throw them. I wonder why? What have they done in there past that is so heinous that makes them hated that much….

    Or rather, what haven’t they done…. because they’ve done and continue to do a lot of rotten shit to crush all the people under their jackboot…

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    I have too much ammo, and I’m going to destroy the excess.

    Said nobody who paid for it… ever.

    What’s the big deal? The ammunition was purchased with OPM – Other People’s Money. We can always tax more when we want to buy more ammo later.

    I read stories like this and I think about how I worked a quarter of the year and turned that money over to the government so they could destroy ammo that I would love to have. It’s like paying to be tortured.

  • Leigh Rich

    Love to have a bucket or two full of 50 bmg ammo pictured!!!.

  • COBRACHOPPERGIRL

    I think what is ironic, is that it is widely held that the communist block crumbled eventually to capitalism… and the American military won the cold war, through it’s insanely wasteful military spending and build ups of insanely overpriced weapons that would eventually all be parked in the desert to rot away.

    But it really didn’t win. Because the US military became exactly what it was fighting. Socialism completely took over the US military. The US military is now, basically, THE parasitic communist state. Only its over here now. Not over there. https://www.google.com/search?q=us+military+socialist

    If you hate everything your enemy stands for, but then through hating him, become your enemy and everything he stands for, you have lost yourself, and lost worse than if you never hated him at all….

    If you fight for the US military today, to protect it.. then yeah, you are pretty much fighting to protect your gravy train state appointed job, and the state jobs of congressmen, senators, and corrupt judges… and you are pretty much fighting to protect and perpetuate communism. You can quote the Constitution all you want, but its not your Constitution, you didn’t write it, you have no say so it it, it is not now yours nor ever was, nor does it look out for you. Every criminal gang, draws up a Constitution. Even the Mafia, Aryan brotherhood, Crypts, and Bloods… have some kind of… Constitution….

  • The Survival Wire

    I paid for that ammo. I want it, darn it. HEY FEDS, STOP WASTING MY $$! Bastahds…!

  • BR549

    What better way to waste money than to have the US taxpayers have to actually pay to scrap it. That’s the plan all along; not to efficiently dispose of “potentially” outdated ammunition, but to deny the US citizens the opportunity to purchase or even be given material that they had already actually paid for, and now make them pay for it to be scrapped, too.

    Unless we happen to also see a restocking of fresh store of this ammo for our military, one can assume that Rockefeller and his band of parasitic sociopathic thieves will then be demanding that we contribute to keep their UN fully stocked.

  • John D

    Typical government stupidity. These people are dumb as a bag of hammers

    • Jimbo

      You’re being unfair to hammers!

  • mark

    You need to understand the government. By the time they form a committee to review the process to hire a task force to implement the procedures along with an oversight group to watch for unnecessary waste [as apposed to necessary], this would get quite complicated and costly.

  • Dickn52

    Well, hopefully the reporting is better than the photography. Those are all spent cases she’s playing with, and therefore simply brass scrap.

    • GunTotingLib

      I am sure the military makes tons and tons of scrap ,spent brass weekly. I live near Joint Base Lewis-McCord I I hear them making a ton every few days.

  • aikikenjitsu

    Yeah, it is stupid. But remember, the government is known for waste. Why are they trillions of dollars in debt? Here’s why: Because companies sell toilet seats to them for a 1000 percent mark up and the government grins and pays it. They feel they have to start or become a part of little wars around the world–expensive. They feel they have to spend billions on rebuilding another country, after wars, for them and then most of them spit on us. also after a war conflict, the government (notice I say the government–not our government any longer) feels they have to leave thousands of troops in that country which costs buco money. Don’t forget the billions of dollars the government gives–that’s right–gives to other countries totally free because they are buying their friendship. Then the countries that have contracts with the U.S. government to pay back millions in loans, are told by the U.S. government, “Oh, you guys don’t have to pay us back, you’ve been so good.”
    There’s more, but I’m getting hungry.

  • The Brigadier

    A single round of .50 cal goes for about $3.65, Selling it intact would recoup over $4B. As scrap brass and lead – about $20 million. This is prototypical of the economics of the Obama Administration.

  • Chefjon

    What they aren’t mentioning is that out of the $1.2B, $1 Billion of that is a 550 of .22lr lol!

  • GunTotingLib

    First “ammunition” could mean anything including expensive explosive rounds and other non civilian munitions. 70 billion is a lot of 5.56 so I’m sure it covers a lot of stuff other than what we think of as ammo….. Second… “impossible to know what portion of the arsenal slated for destruction — valued at $1.2 billion by the Pentagon — remains viable”… That is the key because of faulty record keeping this 2% of the military store may have storage damage, of unknown age, quality or condition and may contain dangerous to fire items.

    Also BTW for all your haters on here that seem to knee jerk want to blame Obama, I am sure this decision never made it out of the pentagon no less all the way to Obama’s desk. Give it a rest.

  • Erasmo Doc Rio Riojas

    “stupid is as stupid does!”
    allow the ammo to be used
    recover the brass and recycle it

    they will make $$

    Doc Rio
    USN Ret SEAL

  • Jimbo

    I saw an ENORMOUS amount of waste when I was in the Air Force, stationed in Florida. One example… Some idiot bureaucrats in Washington decided that it cost money to store stuff. So they figured tossing out stuff would save money. Well the only way that could EVER be true, is if you are going to reduce the size of your storage facilities. That way you don’t have to pay rent / storage / heating, etc. But they never DID that. All they did was partially empty the bins! We were restricted to having two glass cartridge fuses for each piece of equipment. When the fuses ran out for a key piece of equipment, we ordered them from a depot in Georgia. They were handed to a pilot, who flew the fuses to us in his fighter plane. And he was restricted to carrying TWO. What did that cost? They were ordinary 3AG fuses. But the military stock was in hermetically sealed packages.

    I’ll bet this ammo is in GREAT condition. We taxpayers paid for it, why can’t we have it?

  • Jimbo

    We need to get Congress to pass a law that requires the military and all government agencies to offer their “excess” or obsolete stuff for sale to the public FIRST, in reasonable size lots, before disposal is contemplated. If it is not safe for the public to have, it should be sold to a friendly ally’s military, or demilitarized for sale.

  • Todd

    I agree with OpyimusDerf as well, but also if the Pentagon can waste 1.2 billion destroying ammo obviously the pentagon needs their budget shorted buy oh lets say mmmmm 1.2 billion also, sounds like a fair trade off to me.

  • Silverbuller

    Is it not illegal to destroy government assets, which technically belong to the people, when those assets can be sold to the highest bidder. I mean, my gawrsh as bad shape as the national debt is in, every penny helps.
    It would be nice to have the NAME of the person who made this decision so we could write to our Congressmen and have the person terminated immediately dont ya think?

  • bruce Cambell

    I have heard that the politicians are pushing hard to scrap ALL military materials, putting an end to public auction of surplus. No more ammo boxes or surplus soft goods. Unless we can change the leadership in Washington soon, I would expect to see a full ban of surplus goods in the future.

  • Machinist22

    Is it just me noticing the one box in the picture is not actually “ammo” but empty casings? Either way, they should be recycled to the servicemen for reloading and what they don’t use should go to the public who actually paid for it in the first place! We can’t seem to find any ammo the stores to buy and the Government is just going to destroy what they have “too much” of. Talk about a government that is out of control. Aren’t We The People supposed to be in charge? Time to remove the political bureaucracy and make government small again! A REPUBLIC! Of The People, by The People and for The People!!

  • Brian Dagit

    your looking at empty shells…no rounds!

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  • shawn m

    Just sign all of it over to the CMP for disposition.

  • valorius

    Dod needs its budget slashed by 30%. In Iraq, US military has abandoned more equipment than China spends on its entire defense budget in a year.

  • Clyde Bower

    Not that I don’t love a good conspiracy, would someone explain that if this is part of some “anti gun” conspiracy why is it that the best photograph they could find to accompany this story is one showing large pallet sized boxes of loose, spent M-2 brass and is captioned “Fort Campbell’s recycling program?” If this is the $1.2 billion of ammunition the government is going to destroy, I doubt that even the National Guard could figure out how to use it for “live-fire practice.”
    Get serious folks, maybe I’m to jaded but I don’t put to much stock in stories that come from from the popular/anti gun press, which in the case of this “news story” is USA Today.

  • Core

    I demand a return on my tax dollar. Every time I see crap like this I get pissed and contact a senator. You should to. Our nation is one step further in the hole everyday due to poor spending decisions on behalf of law makers and uneducated leadership. There are a hundred ways we can benefit by reclaiming old munitions, destroying it is fruitless.

  • Al

    The ton and a quarter of .50 cal. ball shown in this article is spent brass.

  • Coco

    Ammunition Companies buy ammo government gets paid and taxpayers are reimbursed. Shooters have cheaper supply and everyone is happy. Government destroys ammo, taxpayers lose. Only Pelosi and a handful of others like her are happy, but this administration has gone to great lengths buying and now destroying ammo, with our money, to keep the commercial supply starved and inventory of reloading components low.