NRA 2014: PTR Industries, American-Made HK-91/G-3 Battle Rifles

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In case you haven’t heard, PTR Industries has been making big moves to bring the HK-91 platform back to our shores. Originally formed in 2006 after its predecessor acquiring a full HK-licensed factory (Fabrica MIlitar or Portugal); PTR reorganized in 2010 and has found a very willing market for the roller-locked .308 battle rifles. (Our own Alex C. owns one).

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Long variants with modern handguards and a brown precision variant.

PTR brought the factory to the US and has recently completed a move from Connecticut to South Carolina after the Sandy Hook tragedy. There, they produce all the rifles on original H&K machinery to original H&K specs. All internal parts come with PTR’s lifetime warranty against defects.

At the NRA show, they had a multitude of variants available on display. They had classic wood designs all the way to modern rifles with AR-style collapsible stocks and rail fore-ends. Speaking with the reps, they were exploring offering new pistols with the Sig arm-braces.

i_8d48c80633d989fb4205f787d79fdb09PDW 2 .308 pistol with a shoulder-able brace? Sign me up!



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Anonymoose

    I wish they had a PTR91A3 without the rail.

  • Dan-O

    Make me an MSG-90 clone, without skimping on the QC or performance and I’ll be interested in roller-locked technology again.

    • cayton
      • Giolli Joker

        Cool…
        But the PSG1…
        (Imagine drooling emoticon)

        • Rusty Shackleford

          The HK PSG1 is really sweet, but take a look at the $1200 PTR MSR model. Fully free floated and target crowned Match grade 18″ barrel and a guaranteed Sub MOA.

      • Dan-O

        Not even close, the HK engineers reinforced and tweaked the baseline G3 into something much more sturdier and accurate. There’s an archived review of the MSG-90 somewhere in TFB. The performance difference is enough for me deviate from the .308 ARs, not so much with the current PTR line up.

        • iksnilol

          How is it different? Can we get some details?

          Rembember, only because HK produces/designs good guns doesn’t mean that they are magic.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            HK added some reinforcements. All the MSGs and PSGs were hand built, and there is no exact ryhme or reason to what they did for ‘every’ gun.

            People’s fascination with those guns is only because of the sheer unavailability of them. I chatted with a guy who had an original PSG1 kit. He had an LMT AR-10 that out performed it in every way possible.

          • iksnilol

            Even reliability?

            I am a bit iffy around the ARs mainly because my experience stems from the A1 and A2 which are 50/50. No I am not a veteran, just a guy with friends.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Yes, even reliability. The fluted chambers of the HK roller lock guns are an interesting topic, but when it comes down to the chamber, the extractor, the impulse required to the make gun work, the magazines and feed ramps, etc.

            It’s just not as “good” as a high quality AR-10.

          • Yellow Devil

            Even though the original M16 had a shotty (pun) reputation in Vietnam, it was mostly due to bureaucratic malfeasance that would have caused issues with any other rifle as well. Even the M1 Garand had initial teething issues that I can only imagine would have been highlighted if thrown into service during the middle of WWII.

            In fact, the Portuguese military used the AR10 model during their Angolan Colonial wars during the ’60s and feedback was reported to be excellent, even over the FALs and G3s. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?46369-Original-AR-10-Picture-Thread

          • cmbv79

            Only the Paras, and yes, they all say the Armalite AR-10 (Madeby Dutch company Artillerie Inrichtingen) was better than the G3.

  • Frosty_The_White_Man

    Hopefully they’ll make a clone of the HK33 someday. Providence knows we could use a cost-effective AR alternative.

    • Rusty Shackleford

      That would be incredible if PTR made HK 33 models. Although, it would be nice if they would bring back the 7.62×39 rifle and PDW.

      • An Interested Person

        7.62×39 is at the bottom of their product page. MSRP is $1365

        • Rusty Shakleford

          Yeah, except they say they have been out of production for a while now, although PTR says they might make more at some point.

    • Anonymoose

      Also a good MP5/HK94 clone.

      • Jon Hammett

        With the SB-15. Sold.

        • Anonymoose

          Maybe if they can make one that looks like a G3A4/MP5A3 stock…

    • Sam Schifo

      Unfortunately the roller delayed blow-back system does not work too well with the 5.56 and is somewhat unreliable. This may be due to HK originally not ironing out all of the problems. If PTR could make it reliable, then I’m in.

  • Christopher

    MSRP aka who’s do I have sacrifice to our true lord and saviour Galactus to get one of these?

    • DaveP.

      CDNN has ’em for a grand or so, depending on the model.

  • An Interested Person

    Review. Now.

    • Hopefully we can. Alex can speak to his rifle and we will work get a different model. Any particular interest?

      • An Interested Person

        One of the 16″ models with the fluted barrel caught my eye. Im particularly curious as to how they run suppressed.

        • AK™

          Quieter..I’m guessing. 😉

      • Rusty Shackleford

        Maybe a standard GI or A3R compared to the MSG 91 SS. I’d like to see if there is THAT much of an accuracy difference, especially at 3x the price.

        • Rusty Shackleford

          …Or compare the $1200 PTR MSR vs the $3000 MSG 91 SS.

  • BusterB

    Considering the receiver is a single stamping and the gun was designed for cheap and easy production the price should be well under a grand

    • Gabe

      True but these are American made guns made by Americans on original HK tooling. If you thought the “HK Tax” was high on a single firearm just try to imagine what they charged for the tools to make those guns.

      PTR is producing a good product and this is perhaps one of the more affordable .308 battle rifles on the market. That said, I would love to see a more affordable version.

  • erwos

    Awesome press release. Where’s the reporting on where the hell the PTR-32 GenII and rumored 9mm guns are?

  • patrickiv

    WANT. But still ridiculously overpriced compared to a CETME.

    • sdelcegno

      Ptr rifles are made better than the original he ones. Cetme are hit or miss

    • Scott

      Except original CETME’s are extremely rare and are worth more than original HK-91’s as well as the Century clones being sloppy, out-of-spec, substandard junk.

      So PTR’s are really the only way to go unless you find a screaming deal on a pre-ban.

  • brianparker

    It would be cool if they had a custom shop or at least a factory re-barrelling service.

  • Giolli Joker

    Time to make a PSG1 clone…
    The world needs more PSG1s…

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Yea… Until people realized they were 18-20lbs loaded, weren’t insanely accurate, weren’t insanely reliable, couldn’t mount optics like other platforms, needed tweaks to suppress and never did so perfectly, and didn’t have a trigger anyone would consider better than a match AR trigger.

      That gun is sought after because almost no one has ever had hands on.

      • Giolli Joker

        Well, according to wikipedia PSG1 is still produced (since 1972) and has been adopted by swat teams of police forces in at least 12 countries, this despite it being expensive, heavy and “peculiar”.
        So there are quite a few people (LEO) out there that have shot it.
        I’ve never handled one so I can’t speak for experience, the sources I’ve found were defining it the most accurate semi-auto rifle ever made.
        Weight is not a major issue for police use and is not at all an issue for recreational range use, price it is.
        Here they address the issues you point out and the values as well: http://www.snipercentral.com/psg1.htm
        Anyway, first and foremost: it is insanely cool! 🙂

      • iksnilol

        I would disagree about accuracy issues. 1 MOA shooting a 50 shot group is hardly inaccurate.

        I do agree regarding the optics, no sense in proprietary optics.

        • JumpIf NotZero

          That HK made up “standard” is a huge joke. Sniper’s Hide who repeats it should know better.

          Nearly every high end AR-10 can EASILY do 1MOA. The gun is not NEARLY the limiting factor. 3 rounds, 5 rounds, 10, 50, 5000, it’s all the same to the gun (or at least it should be). It’s the shooter. Show me the number of shooters than reliably in a single sitting can put 50 rounds into a 3″ circle at 300y.

          That’s a beyond stupid metric as the mechanical part is by far the most reliable aspect in the equation. The shooter is the more remarkable aspect.

          Sorry, but the PSG1 was a turd. It was heavy, limited to basically one optic, expensive, not extremely reliable, didn’t suppress well, parts weren’t available… it’s like jumping into the future and claiming that Nemo 338 semiauto was the greatest rifle ever built, it’s footnote at best.

          It was literally a BAD IDEA RIFLE, the 91 made a great battle rifle, but needed to much to make it a viable sniper system. To even discuss it now with actually-good counter-sniper and sniper-support rifles around is just being goofy. It’s exactly like when people still think the DeLisle was the quietest suppressed gun ever made – not even close.

  • hkryan

    PTR has been around for a while now. Are there new product offerings or is this just an FYI post in case one was depressed from looking at HK rifle prices on gunbroker?

  • Bruce

    I always here people talk about ammo commonality between their pistol and their rifle. You don’t hear that everyday when it comes to .308….

  • dp

    Old stuff – new stuff. Great way to recycle ideas.

  • iksnilol

    Just looked through their stuff. That PTR32 looks cool, gives the AK some competition (if I could get it outside the US). Only thing is it is heavier. Maybe chop the barrel to 25 cm (10 inches) and install some lightweight handguard?

  • Hunter57dor

    The pricing seems to be spot-on, even better than some m1a models.

    I think this will be a fantastic seller for them.

  • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

    Since the Germans switched over to the G36, all those parts, mags, stocks, scopes, mag pouches, etc. have been coming into the US at amazingly low prices. The glut won’t last for long. When you figure out mag prices into the cost of the gun, you get some pretty impressive numbers. For example, CDNN is selling new rifles for about $1000. Many places still have aluminum mags for less than $5. So for the price of an M1A and five magazines you could have a PTR and around forty-fifty magazines. http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK91-G3-PTR91-c2.htm has all the spare parts and accessories a fella could need. ANd if you really wanna go nuts, there are several places out there that will re-install the original G3 paddle mag release. I’ve had three of the PTR-91’s for a while now (and a couple 50-rd drums for them) and they’re awesome. Doesnt hurt that for a while Cheaper Than Dirt was selling mags for $1 ea, either.

    • Scott

      A lot more of it is coming in from Pakistan since they too are slowly moving away from the G3 as well.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    They are SO CLOSE to having MP5s. They’ve got all the processes to make them, and don’t. They make the 308 rifle which let’s say sells “well” it will never sell as well as a more mass-produced MP5 clone would be.

    Seems like willful stubbornness to not make a 9mm people actually want over the mistake of just making 308s that have always more or less be available in some form or another.

    • bruce Cambell

      If only some clever company would start making a quality MP5 clone pistol with the Sig arm brace attached. Yes, it Might be a little ugly but I bet they would sell like hotcakes.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Maybe, maybe not.

        But I think you need to go wash your mouth out with soap for even thinking of something so ugly… Or wash your hands… or your keyboard… or somerthing… You need to slap yourself 😉

  • Blake

    I think that’s the first time I’ve seen the words “.308” and “pistol” used in the same phrase…

    We’re talking triple the muzzle energy of .44 magnum here!

  • noob

    is there anything in the design of the hk-91/G3 pistol grip that would stop you from modifying the lower receiver to accept a AR-15 pistol grip (eg springs or mechanical components where the pistol grip screw needs to go)?

    those G3 pistol grips look like they’re dying to be used as storage space with the void in the bottom of them.

    • An Interested Person

      It is all a proprietary trigger mechanism that fits in a metal box within the grip.

      It could be done, but would look absurdly ugly.

      • Scott

        RTG Parts out of Arizona already makes G3 lowers that can take AR pistol grips. However it is gonna require some assembly in regards to the trigger group since they come stripped.

  • Casey D.

    If this makes finding a good G3 clone easy i might just cry because a quality build isn’t the easiest to come by

  • Ray

    Ihad one 20 plus years ago. VERY RELIABILE., ATE EVERYTHING AND EJECTED EVERYTHING WILDLY AND WITH ASTONISHING FORCE. Adversly effected by too much oil when very cold,,.failed to fire at 25 belowzero but more my fault than the rifles. It liked Sierra bullets both150and 165 gr. spitzers. I used Win. 748150/gr. and Win 760 ,165gr.The reg.sjghts worked well but a scope was better….. One of many good rifles with which to defend liberty.

  • Ray

    BUSTER IS RIGHT ABOUT THE PRICE. The stamped receiver should dictate less money. Mine would do an honest 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 5 shot at 100 Meters from prone,not a bench.