TAC-CON Media Event: Part 2: Range Familiarization

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This evening we were at the Ben Avery Shooting Facility here in Phoenix shooting, and getting used to the 3MR trigger.  I happened to bring my personal AR15 so that I was familiar with the system I was going to be shooting.  Being able to put 500-600 round down range, and get used to how it functions was a real eye opening experience.

As an initial skeptic of the system, I have to say that I have completely done a 180 and changed my mind in terms of its use, its function and its purpose.  Being able to shoot some of the different VTAC drills I was able to see how in a tactical situation the trigger system is very useful.  Having a assisted reset system helps the shooter prepare for the next shot on target and actually allows you the shooter focus on different aspects of your current shooting task.

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So how fast is the 3MR trigger?  I was able to shoot an entire 30rd magazine in 4.8sec, which translates to an average split time of a 0.16sec split.  Within that time, I was able to achieve splits down in the .10-.12 range.  Pretty impressive for a trigger system to be able to do that.  On the flip side, I was able to shoot a GI trigger group, unmodified and was shooting time more along the lines of 6.8sec for 30rds, or 0.22sec average split time.  In full auto terms, most of us were getting between 400-500rds/min.  Of course this is not the 700-950rds/min that you get on a fully automatic M4 rifle, but is still impressive for a semi-auto trigger.

All in all a very informative evening.  Other shooters on the range this evening were getting split times down in the 4.5sec range, so with practice the trigger system is able to speed a shooter up considerably.  Talking with the TAC-CON staff and other shooters on the range, the common consensus was that when you focus on going fast, it ends up slowing you down.  Being able to trust in your own ability is the key to shooting the system correctly.

Tomorrow we will be doing some more official splits and timing as well as tactical shooting and drills.  The video below is C. Despins, shooting next to me this evening, it is slowed down 16x to show the reset and how he is using the system.  His split times in this video are right between .14-.18sec running a VTAC 2x2x2 drill.

I promise to take more photos tomorrow and get more video.  We happened to be at the range late this evening, and getting decent photos was close to impossible.  Also, I am still looking for question that people might be looking to get answered.

I also wanted to add that the ambi-selector is not only ambi, it is also a 360 degree safety.  Meaning that to get to the 3rd mode, one can actually push the safety though the bottom, and directly to the 3rd position.  In talking with the TAC-CON guys, the idea is to be able to get to the 3rd position directly from safe, making the motion much more fluid and giving the shooter another option at coming off safe.

More tomorrow from Phoenix, AZ and the TAC-CON media event!

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Sam Cadle

Sam Cadle is a prior service member from the US Coast Guard, and has extensive firearms training from the military. He spent many years working counter narcotics in Central America and working maritime law enforcement and anti-terrorism stateside. He has also written articles as guest writer that are published on The Truth About Guns, and other firearms related blogs. He is currently a successful writer for Examiner.com, specializing in gun rights a politics in Washington State, as well as across the United States. His passions are long range precision shooting, coyote hunting and keeping up with the firearms community.

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  • Andrew

    Funny how you “completely did a 180″ after being wined & dined by the manufacturer. Since us regular joes don’t win an all expense paid shooting weekend if/when it doesn’t work as advertised, I put my faith in your original review, where you said it was a $500 turd.

    • http://thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Sam Cadle (Staff Writer, TFB)

      Say that if you wish, but I stand by my statements… Manufacturer event or not. Those that know me will also know I don’t mince anything. If something is not worth the money, I will say that, no matter what the circumstances.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Andrew—let me make this as clear as possible. Our writers are chosen for their ability to write of course but more so than any other trait is the writers ability to remain objective and not be influenced or swayed by a company. If Paul or I thought for one second a writer was being influenced by the company bringing them out to test a product they wouldn’t go in the first place and secondly the post wouldn’t go up.
      We take our obligation to bring the readers the truth from our use and observations of products very seriously. If the product had problems believe me trip or no trip you get the straight story period.
      I recently went to the Big 3 writers event in Florida. Let me relate my wining and dining as you put it. Myself and 4 others attending camped out at the range for that week which I rather enjoyed (even though I went the week without a shower:-)). Dining was cooking at the range by a friend of our host who just so happens wanted to help. There’s not really anything such as wining and dining there’s just standard accommodations and meals like you would have anywhere else.
      We’ve made a few companies angry by taking that path of being truthful but that’s the way it is and always will be.

  • gunslinger

    $500 for the trigger.
    $400 for the ammo
    $??? for the wine and dining from the mfg.

    all to save 2 seconds on a mag dump from a regular GI trigger?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That’s for you to decide. I wouldn’t be interested in benefit vs cost for the trigger but there are many who are interested and enjoy the product. To each his own.

      • gunslinger

        true, but it seems each time this product comes up, it’s a “marginal increase” at best and the cost is just absurdly high.

  • SafeArmsReview

    Yea I’m not impressed – a lot of hype for very little in return.

    Question is “Could you have gotten those split times without spending $500?”

    IMHO if you can practice cheaper and get the same low split times do it – otherwise your wasting money. Case in point…

    I have been working with my SIRT AR bolt and the LASR program. Results – I have gotten my splits down to those times too and here is what it cost me…

    1. SIRT AR bolt = $120

    2. LASR program = $110 with coupon code

    Total: $230

    The great thing is I can continue to train not only on decreasing split times but stages, concealment, strong, support hand drills, malfunctions, reloads, etc, etc, etc.

    Now if you want to shoot fast, get a slidefire stock – that will allow you to shoot faster than humanly possible (unless your Travis Haley or some other freak of nature who has to register their trigger finger as a class II).

    Again I’m not impressed and your complete 180 is questionable IMHO.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I don’t question Sam one bit. We all have our opinions on products even before using them. After we use them our opinions can change or remain the same. Sam likes the product while I prefer to stay with my Geissele SSA-E. That’s why we have so many products to choose from which is a good thing.

      • SafeArmsReview

        I do agree the same results can be had with Geisseles, Timneys, etc. Heck I know two guys with similar splits using stock triggers (and they have the money to blow on ammo). I also agree that opinions change – BTDT.

        However there should be an evaluation on cost vs. what you get in return. The minimal amount of return is not worth the money IMHO, hence it borders on the realm of a ‘fad’ (if I was rich I would probably care less about the return but I’m not plagued with that problem). With that said when Sam said he did a 180, I’m not really sure how to take that, especially since the return is so low. Sam seems to be a good guy and I assume he is a good shooter, so that made me personally question his claim.

        Now I can’t make a fully informed opinion because I too have not tried it – a buddy is getting one and I hope to try it out. But from the videos I have seen and looking at the split times, its not outstanding – $500 for 2 seconds of improvement on a mag dump? No thanks.

        Anyway I think if people do reviews it would be good to state what they deem as acceptable, good, excellent and ugly. If there were some defined milestones such as…

        1. Acceptable = product works as advertised, no jams, malfunctions, etc; example, improves times by 0-4%.

        2. Good = all the above and improves times by 5-10%

        3. Excellent = all the above but improves times by 10-20%

        4. Out friggin standing! = all the above and improves times by 20-50%, forwards results to your phone or computer via wifi and remembers to send flowers to wife on anniversaries, etc.

        4. Ugly – item does not perform as advertised/causes malfunctions, etc.

        That would help imo.

        Keep up the good work.

        • http://thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Sam Cadle (Staff Writer, TFB)

          In terms of reliability, I put 800-1000rds though personal rifle, which is reliable to start with. I had zero failures of any type over two days.

  • M.M.D.C.

    Tough crowd today.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It appears so:-)

    • http://thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Sam Cadle (Staff Writer, TFB)

      Looks like it.

  • John

    Google the YouTube video where the Taccon gets owned by the Geissele SD3G. No thanks

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Got a link?

      • Andrew

        Watch “Tac Con vs Geissele vs M16 Take Two: Less Talk, M…” on YouTube
        Tac Con vs Geissele vs M16 Take Two: Less Talk, M…: http://youtu.be/HAvebGC33j4

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Thanks Andrew