No Hope Of Getting An AK-12 Anytime Soon

Actor Steven Seagal at the Kalashnikov booth at SHOT Show.

Actor Steven Seagal at the Kalashnikov booth at SHOT Show.

Many gun owners had high hopes that the consolidation of Russia’s firearm industry, which lead to the creation of the Kalashnikov Group, along with Russian WTO membership would result in Russia putting pressure on the State Department to allow a wider range of Russian consumer firearms to be imported into the USA. The US market is very important to Kalashnikov and accounts for 90% of their consumer exports.

The state-owned defense giant Rostec owns 51% of the Kalashnikov Group with the remaining 49% owned by private investors. Sen. Dan Coats of Indiana recently introduced legislation that would prohibit any US dealings with Rosoboronexport, the subsidiary of Rostec that handles all government export deals. 

Only certain named Russian firearms can be imported into the USA since the 1998 Voluntary Restraint Agreement between Russia and the USA. The AK-12 and SVD are examples of much sought after guns not on that list, the former because it was designed since the agreement and the latter because it was omitted from the agreement.

Last year Russian media reported that Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin had asked actor Steven Seagal to lobby the US Government to abolish the trade agreement and open up the US market for all Russian firearm exports. In January the Kalashnikov Group announced that they had formally contracted Seagal to promote Kalashnikov exports.

Given the present Crimea/Ukraine situation, it is unlikely that the Kremlin will ask to abolish that trade agreement or that the US Government would consider such a request. 

It is going to be many years until we see a semi-automatic AK-12 imported into the USA. Seagal is not going to be able to change that.



Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • TangledThorns

    Would we actually see the AK-12 soon if there was no Russian shenanigans?

    • erwos

      I’m thinking not, honestly. The VRA has been in place for a long time, and it would really take a high level trade deal to kill it. Now, that said, I don’t necessarily understand why they couldn’t just produce a “Saiga” or “VEPR” named variant of the AK-12 and export that.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Too bad, I guess we’ll have to make due with our best in the world selection of civilian available rifles and suppressors.

    Really… An updated AK that NO ONE has even touched? Steven Segal? This is beyond a case of just wanting what you can’t have. Instead, I’d suggest being thankful for what we do have access to. Don’t stop fighting for more, but also don’t focus on the one new rifle we can’t get

    • kipy

      Amen brother

    • n0truscotsman

      “Instead, I’d suggest being thankful for what we do have access to.”

      Hear, hear!

      Especially after the events over the past year narrowly avoiding the chopping block of public opinion and knee jerk reaction.

      • alex

        happy for what we have?!?! are you mental?

        I LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! i have the God given right (“protected”) to choose ANY arm i feel like to suit that purpose!!!!

        do you forget what the 2nd amdt states?????

        the right of the citizens to keep and bear any weapon other than an ak12″ is not what i read….

        your words are spoken like a true defeated subject, not a citizen with rights…come on now!!!

        • n0truscotsman

          I actually agree with you.

          I never said I’m “satisfied” with the outcome.

    • Wyatt Earp

      Unless you live in CA. Then you only get to own firearms that California says are safe. Which doesn’t include such ‘made only for killing’ Brown Buckmarks, Walther P22s and Ruger 10/22s.

  • SausageCheese

    I know TFB’s policy on not being political, but I can’t help but say
    THANKS OBAMA! You jug eared moron

    • mikewest007

      Bullshit. Nobody invited those red fuckers to Crimea, and the sooner we strangle them economically, the better, throngs of Bubba Billy Joe Bobby Sues wanting AKs notwithstanding.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Red Fuckers? Well, how is the weather in 1990?

        • mikewest007

          Seriously, what do you expect from a country run by a former Soviet spy? When you look at what Russia was up to in the last decade, you’ll see that they’re rapidly moving back towards a totalitarian government model. Plus they’re pulling all sorts of shenanigans aimed at their former republics who are less than thrilled about any sort of alliance – Georgia, Ukraine, recently they even got ballsy enough to direct some veiled threats at Estonia.

          • FourString

            It’s a mixture between dictatorship (rulership) and democracy (privatised economy). Nothing really red about it nowadays.

          • Avery

            This. If the current dominant Russian political thought was Communism, it would actually be a sight better than what we got now. For instance, the Soviet Union pursued a policy of “no first strikes”, which Putin’s Russian federation has discarded.

            Instead, what we have is a nationalistic nostalgia for the Tsars and the Russian Empire, paired with the desire to create a Russian-centered autocratic Eurasian Union to counter the liberal democratic “Atlanticism” of America and Britain, punishing them for the collapse of the Soviet Union. There’s actual talk of reclaiming “stolen” land like the Baltics, all of Ukraine, and even Alaska.

          • mikewest007

            I said “totalitarian”, not “communist”. There’s a difference. What you’re describing is, exactly, totalitarian state with delusions of long-lost grandeur.

          • bucherm

            “There’s a difference.”

            Yeah, when you said “Red fuckers” you totally weren’t trying to create connotations of them being communist.

          • mikewest007

            Yeah, except the government mechanisms are straight-up Soviet: they’re putting people in psych wards for made-up reasons, to say nothing of prisons, and have government-sanctioned triggermen murder people who try to reveal the truth.
            Again.

          • joelferguson

            Funny you should mention Alaska, there’s a petition at the white house website calling for succession from the US and to join with Russia. Has roughly 30k signatures as of last night with roughly 3 weeks to go for the 100k signature goal. Well short.

          • mikewest007

            “Privatised economy” where the biggest corporations consistently belong to the friends of man in the Kremlin, and they throw a guy in jail for almost ten years just because he suddenly turned against the oligarchy?

          • MoPhil

            @ mikewest007:

            “”Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?” Luke 6,41

            Before you go on with your Russia-bashing, please use Google and search for the economic network between W&W, Wall Street and White House. You will see, that there is a powerful oligarchy in the US too, but it is not as obvious as in Russia. Nevertheless, it is there and these oligarchs have way more influence on US politics, than oligarchs in Russia have (which is a result of Putin’s politics, when he took over from Jelzin).

          • mikewest007

            In America, big business owns the White House.
            In Soviet Russia, the Kremlin owns big business!

          • FourString

            you must have missed the part where i said “dictatorship” very clearly.

          • joelferguson

            Shades of Red would be more accurate?

          • Sulaco

            You are talking about Georgia and the Ukraine, right? Not the US?

          • Guest

            Shades of Red? Would be more accurate?

      • n0truscotsman

        Playing devil’s advocate, who invited the US in the myriad of its military bases around the world?

        Its a case of the pot calling the kettle black. The US has no credibility to tell Russia to behave herself and the world knows it.

        We “strangle” Russia economically, they will move eastward to China and India for their needs.

        • mikewest007

          …attempting to sell something to the world’s biggest factory that got better at being a superpower in the last twenty years and has its own stable supply lines of all necessary materials? Oh yeah, that’s gonna go swimmingly.
          Also, military bases are one thing, occupation and conquest are another. It’s not like the US treats, I don’t know, Germany, Korea or Japan like their property and organizes bogus “elections” to confirm that fact. Plus, when the US was asked to leave by one of those silly post-Soviet asscrackistans, they just packed their shit and left as asked. A completely different kettle of fish, there.

          • n0truscotsman

            “Oh yeah, that’s gonna go swimmingly.”

            And it will as time goes on whether you want to believe it or not.

            The US may not treat those specific countries like the Soviet Union treated Czechoslovakia, but I had a good laugh at the “bogus elections” comment considering the bullshit elections the US has pushed in other nations outside of the ones you mentioned.

            Is globalism/corporatism, perpetual debt, and vassal state status (soft authoritarianism) better than Soviet occupation? That is the million dollar question.

            “when the US was asked to leave by one of those silly post-Soviet asscrackistans”

            Probably because NATOs supply lines ventured through there, so they had little other choice.

            Geopolitics isn’t a strength of yours I can see. I can break it down into a simple concept anybody can understand, however: nobody is the good guy in this 21st century scramble for the world’s last recoverable hydrocarbon energy reserves.

          • noguncontrol

            the U.S. doesn’t even have to scamble, you guys will be the number one producer of oil and natural gas by 2020, overtaking saudi arabia. Russia has its own sources of oil coal and natural gas. the problem with this Ukraine crisis is that the EU and the US is supporting the side in Ukraine that wants Ukraine to be part of the EU and NATO. There is the other side in Ukraine that does not want that. if the EU and the US just left Ukraine to its own internal politics, none of this would be happening.

          • n0truscotsman

            That is pure big oil propaganda and wishful thinking.

            What is the EROEI ratio of extracting unconventional oil?
            What are the costs associated with environmental impact?

            The US will never be the “saudi arabia” in oil production. http://wallstreetpit.com/101139-the-peak-in-world-oil-production-is-yet-to-come/

            “if the EU and the US just left Ukraine to its own internal politics, none of this would be happening”

            That would be awesome indeed. I would be content for people to stop bringing up the “hitler/sudetenland” absurdities.

          • mikewest007

            Oh god, not the retarded-ass liberal bullshit about “last recoverable hydrocarbon energy reserves”, AKA “peak oil”, AKA “American villains out to rob the poor brown folks of their natural resources”. Hired russkie goons post that all over the internet, and latte-sipping hipster cunts swallow it hook line and sinker.

          • n0truscotsman

            Liberal?

            There is nothing “liberal” about the fact that there is finite energy on a finite planet.

            There is nothing “liberal” about the fact that the US intervened in Iraq to secure that country’s energy and that Saddam Hussein was intent on trading his oil in Euros; a action that would have compromised the stability of the petrodollar in a country that has the largest unexploited reserves of oil in the world.

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6272168.stm
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601287_pf.html

            ooops…I guess Nelson and Greenspan are hired russkie goons posting over the internet. /rolls eyes

            Let me guess, “freedom”, “democracy”, and “WMDs” right? (christ, can people really be this fucking stupid?)

          • joelferguson

            Your right, the resources are finite. But there is hundreds of years left in the ground already discovered of proven reserves.

            The US could and would destroy Russia economically if another cold war ensues. It becomes drill baby drill, depreciate the price of oil and collapse the Russian economy, to which China will be cheering and clapping all the way.

          • n0truscotsman

            Those are big assumptions.

            For one, there are no major oil finds left and, as the population increases and developing countries become larger consumers, we will require more and more to meet demand.

            As far as cold war 2.0, the United States already is being affected by the law of diminishing returns and is overstretched with commitments everywhere else.

          • joelferguson

            Don’t necessarily disagree. But as Reagan said, we win, they lose.

      • Publius

        “Nobody invited those red fuckers to Crimea”

        You mean except for the people of Crimea who voted overwhelmingly in favor of rejoining Russia, right? Because democracy is good, unless the people vote for something the US government doesn’t like – then democracy is bad and people need to be killed.

        • mikewest007

          Jesus Tap-dancing Christ, you people apparently never witnessed typical crudely rigged elections in totalitarian states, otherwise you wouldn’t spout that sort of bullshit. I’d like to remind you that in the last elections, Putin miraculously received 140% votes in support of him. That’s how “democracy” works in Russia.

          • n0truscotsman

            Yeah made up “bullshit” such as Hugo Banzer, Roberto Cordova, Montt, Greek Junta, Max Martinez, General Suharto, Alfredo Stroessner, SAVAK, among others.

            Shining examples of American-backed “democracy”.

            But “Russia baaad!” right?

          • mikewest007

            Well, I believe having the EU and a big puddle between you and them must be making you careless.
            That said, I don’t have that comfort. And my country had to live in “people’s democracy” for almost half a century. Not a lot of people here who want to repeat that mistake.
            PS: the civvie version of MSBS should be out in 2016, and FB Radom already set up a subsidiary in Texas to make the imports easier.

          • n0truscotsman

            Careless? not remotely. Spending over a trillion in DOD related expenditures doesn’t fit the definition of “careless”

            Its having a conscious understanding of the term “blowback”.

    • Luke Abanes

      Since President Bush wasn’t able to stop Putin’s smackdown of Georgia in ’08, and 60% of Crimea is ethnically Russian, maybe you could suggest what Obama was supposed to have done? I think Obama’s a failed president, and really hope the GOP manages to put a real candidate against Hillary in ’16, but I’ve not heard any alternative foreign policy proposals for either stopping Putin while he was gobbling up Crimea or dislodging him now . . . beyond what Obama’s already doing.

      • dan citizen

        I work with Russian, Ukrainian, Crimean clients and have no dog in this fight, The US news relating to Crimea covers maybe 5% of the issues.

        Here is the bottom line:
        -Crimea/Ukraine is mostly about natural gas markets,
        -Nobody overseas doubts that the US effectively funded/created the Maidan coup with boots on the ground.
        -Crimea is Russia’s warm water port, they will not give it up anymore than we would Norfolk Virginia.
        -there are about 7 armed sides involved in Crimea right now.
        -The US has already deployed regular troops to Ukraine.

        The whole thing is a crap sandwich and all sides are jerks.

        • john huscio

          “Crimea is Russia’s warm water port, they will not give it up anymore than we would give up Norfolk VA”.

          Very flawed comparison. While VA is an integral part of US territory and has been since this nation’s inception, crimea, was until recent events, sovereign Ukrainian territory with bases leased, not owned by Russia.

          • Tom

            Crimea has only been part of Ukraine since the 1950’s prior to that it was part of Russia for 200 years. Its not a great claim by any stretch but its not a bad claim either. Yes the plebiscite used to “legitimise” the annexation was not exactly free and fair but the result would of been the same had it been.

            Despite agreements not to do so both the EU (and by association the US) and the Russian Federation have been playing games both political and economic in Ukraine and encouraging their supporters to move against the others (for example demoting Russian from an official language!). Its a mess over there but the truth is not so black and white as to say West = Good East = Bad.

            On another note Russian troops only moved against Georgia after Georgian forces began shelling civilians. The fact that our war mongering media ignores this little fact does not make it any less true. Russia was massively provoked by the Georgians. If a man pokes a sleeping bear with a stick he can not be upset when the bear tears him apart.

          • tt_ttf

            Crimea is only Russian because they displaced everyone else (mostly forcibly) -when the Russian effectively captured it – it was less than a 3rd Russian and the Tatars etc who really lived there until the 19th century were actively moved in the early 20th century to change that demographic. In the 50’s it was given back to the Ukraine mainly since before the late 1700’s that is exactly where it was part of!

            This is purely about energy resources and the bases – the protecting russians line is a convenient cover

            There was russian convoys, troops and helicopters in Crimea well before the “vote’

            now back to no politics

          • dan citizen

            Folks who base their views solely on US media have a very distorted view of the world, I was based near Kosovo watching US tanks deploy while the US populace swore we weren’t involved, Our domestic news said we “might intervene” yet our military bases had our daily tank kills on a billboard next to an autobhan.

            Having traveled extensively overseas I take it for granted that we are seen as the bully of foreign politics and that many of our allies (Germany, France, etc) have openly discussed a “military solution” to US aggression.

            Personally I couldn’t care less about Crimea or any other area more than about 50 miles from where I live,

          • dan citizen

            I was speaking of the bottom line, not who has the right to it.

            If we attempt to prevent their use of that port they will take any military measure, nuclear included. Just as we would with Norfolk, VA.

        • Frosty_The_White_Man

          1) Why don’t people rise up against the US government?
          2) I don’t know, why?
          1) Because, there isn’t an American embassy in America!

          *audience laughs*

        • 11B

          “Deployed regular troops to Ukraine” …. nope. The Marines stop by occasionally to do training exercises, but no US troops are deployed in Ukraine.

          • dan citizen

            Not deployed? Based on what?

            Our government says they are on a “training mission” The europeans say they are deployed, the Ukrainians say they are “assisting”

            call it whatever, it is what it is.

      • nova3930

        Putin hit Georgia for the same reason he hit Crimea, he knew the US/NATO would do nothing about it. As soon as you telegraph to your adversaries that you will do nothing, they will do as they please. The first president Roosevelt said speak softly and carry a big stick. These days we shout from the rooftops and carry a wet noodle….

        War should ALWAYS be the option of last resort, but it’s an option that should ALWAYS be on the table….

        • FourString

          Exactly. Any US president—Republican or Democrat—can’t really do shit about it, since going into a full scale war with Russia over something that is understandably in their own interest is the last thing anybody would want—especially since the U.S. has far more to gain by remaining allies with Russia than to back Ukraine.

    • Jeff Smith

      “I know this website has only one rule, but let me violate that rule.”

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      This has nothing to do with Obama. Not a thing, There is no way any American president from either party could or would ignore the Ukraine situation.

  • john huscio

    I buy arsenal aks and am perfectly happy with em…..the quality is equal to saiga as is the reliability…..hell, maybe at some point Bulgaria gets the rights to produce ak-12s themselves and arsenal sells em here….will it happen soon? Probably not, but I could really care less at the moment….

    • AK™

      Thing about Arsenal is,they always try and walk it in…

      • DerDer

        What was Wenger thinking sending Walcott on that early?

  • wetcorps

    “the Kalashnikov Group announced that they had formally contracted Seagal to promote Kalashnikov exports”

    We really live in a wonderful time 😀

  • kev

    At least some of you guys will probably get to use it at some stage plus you have choice in America. Sadly for me here in Ireland semi automatics are practically banned but to have an AK12……a man can dream sigh……

    • Gyufygy

      We like cool accents. C’mon over! :p

      Yes, I know, it sure as hell ain’t that easy, blah blah blah, but no, really, we like accents. 😀

      • kev

        Its on my bucket list, that and getting to fire a Barrett M107A1, the AK 12 can wait…….for now 😀

  • Lance

    Doesn’t matter the AK-12 is NOT being adopted by the regular Russian infantry so a good AK-74 can give you current issue AKs in service.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Well… If Lance says it….

    • noguncontrol

      what better reason to have an ak-12, than to have a gun that the Russian infantry couldn’t have due to money issues? if i could buy a gun that other people couldn’t, hey, i’d go for it.

  • nova3930

    Nothin says serious like Steven Seagal Lobbyist for Hire!

  • Ghost930

    Have no problem with them banning Russian AK’s at this point. Plenty of them from other Eastern European countries that are actually better quality. Same with Russian ammo. Yeah, the US and European stuff is a little more expensive, but do you think just because you like something you should be monetarily supporting Russia right now? Or ever, until they make some fundemental changes? The world isn’t just about cool guns and cheap ammo folks.

    • Zugunder

      What “fundemental changes” you speaking of?

      • mikewest007

        Well, the foundation of America, the so-called West and civilized countries in general: DEMOCRACY!

        • Zugunder

          Such democracy as west have currently? No thanks.

          • mikewest007

            Well, there are alternatives… North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Somalia, go on, take your pick…

          • Zugunder

            Why Russians should pick someone’s else form of government while majority seems to be happy with what putin is doing (i might be not happy with every putin’s decisions, but mostly support him) how that word you was talking about… ah: DEMOCRACY!

    • n0truscotsman

      “Plenty of them from other Eastern European countries that are actually better quality”

      And which ones, do pray tell, are actually better in quality?

      • Phil Hsueh

        I’m no expert on the matter but from what I understand anything the Russians make Eastern European countries make them better, this applies to any weapons system from small arms, to tanks, to jets. If I’m not mistaken one of the best selling versions of the MiG-21 is the Chinese clone, and I’ve heard that in the case of rebuilt WW II Mauser 98k’s the Yugo version is better than the Russian’s, and I’ve heard the same apply to the SKS as well.

        • n0truscotsman

          Eh, I’m not sure about that, but its a pretty subjective matter to say the least.

          I know the Russians produced the best vehicles of their type during the Cold War, with the Warsaw Pact receiving essentially downgraded versions of existing designs (only RH steel on Czech and Polish T72s for example).

          I know the Chinese MIG21 is the best selling (probably because of the cost) and their Type 56s are superior in some aspects (and inferior in others).

          I suppose the Yugo SKS is because of its grenade launch capability, when counting the features of the weapon.

          • Phil Hsueh

            Certainly during the Cold War Russian made stuff was probably much better but during the latter years and/or after the Cold War ended the former Warsaw Pact nations started to manufacture AKs and tanks under license and I’ve heard good things about both. I believe that the Ukranian built T-80 (or is it 90?) is considered to be very good and possibly superior to the Russian built version and I’ve good things about Romanian and (I think) Czech AKs. But you’re right, this is a pretty subjective matter but I do feel that there is sort of a bias towards Russian made stuff by many collectors because it’s Russian and since they were the ones who originally designed it they feel that it must naturally be better.

        • troy

          Bulgarians and poles make the best AKs. the best we’re Finnish but they stopped making them in the late 90’s.

      • john huscio

        The poles are easily making better quality aks right now

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Talking About… First World Problems

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Discuss First World Problems… 😀

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      HAHA, awesome.

      But dammit, I still want my AK-12 no matter how much of a first world problem it is.

      (I don’t want an SVD … they are crap, never seen on I liked)

      • JumpIf NotZero

        I still want a VSS, damn well knowing a suppressed 300blk AR would be better in every way 🙂

  • 101nomad

    “Actor” is an honorary title, right? (Do Not tell Seagal I said that.)

    • Wyatt Earp

      I keep hoping he’ll fall out of his MRAP.

  • troy

    We should summarily stop all Russian imports until Putin stops the BS. I like russian guns and ammo as much as the next guy, but when push comes to shove, we have to be people of principle regardless of cost. Like I refuse to buy guns from companies with a history of 2nd amendment abuses, I will refuse to buy products from companies with hostile intentions towards the US or its allies. ITS called backbone. there are plenty of Ak’s and crates of ammo from countries that have are backs, I will buy those. Americans who say we should let Russia have Crimea are uninformed and don’t understand the issue. We have an agreement to protect the territory of the Ukraine (Budapest mem.),PERIOD, right or wrong we have to meet our obligations. The vote was a farce and Putin is pushing for armed confrontation for the west for political reasons.

    • n0truscotsman

      “Americans who say we should let Russia have Crimea are uninformed and don’t understand the issue. ”

      They understand the issue far better than the morons escalating this thing and especially the ones talking about using our military as a lever.

      Its called minding our own business.

      • troy

        I speak Russian and Ukrainian. I lived in Crimea, have friends and family over there, and can say for sure the vote was a total farce. What do you know about it???? And by the way, I am not advocating war just a total embargo on Russia. You are really dumb if you think Putin is gonna stop at the Crimea. He’s just getting started.

        • n0truscotsman

          My wife was Russian-born and she has distant relatives that live in Russia proper, not Ukraine.

          I don’t need to have lived in Ukraine to know that the vote was undoubtedly bullshit and that Russia is hardly the good guy here. Putin is another autocrat to join the list of autocrats a mile long. Unfortunately, unlike say Iraq under Saddam, Russia under Putin is a respectable, nuclear armed military power.

          My point, as it always has been, is that the US has no business in Ukraine and the idea that Russia is re-creating the Soviet Union is a wet dream of the same opportunistic war mongers that always take us on these military misadventures. Its utter bullshit.

          • David_TheMan

            Hard for me to say the vote was bullshit when it was internationally monitored and the international vote inspectors for no faults with the election.

            80% turnout and 90+% in favor of joining Russia.
            http://www.eode.org/eode-press-office-referendums-in-the-republic-of-crimea-and-sevastopol-joint-statement-by-the-independent-international-observers/

            Democracy in action I say.

            That said I agree with your point that the US/NATO has no moral authority to attack Russia or use this as a springboard to launch conflict.

          • troy

            Internationally monitored???? They beat the sh…t out of any non-Russian journalist who lived there, shut down TV and internet, let russian citizens vote, and did not even have a list of registered voters. I get it, there are a lot of Russian and Russian sympathizers in Crimea, it’s true. I can however say for sure that a large portion of population was scared to even vote. 30% of Crimean’s are Crimean tartars who really do not like the Russians, read up on your history and you will understand why. I think that the vote, if open and honest, would have showed 55-60% in favor of leaving the Ukraine, barely a majority, and certainly not enough to force the issue. Even if we did nothing, we will still have to face this issue. Putin is afraid of a Russian spring, he has to manufacture an enemy to drum up patriotic support, and justify his future actions. A war is what he wants. He has 10,000-15,000 peaceful protestors locked up on bogus charges as we speak. If Russians want a country where any dissent is met with brutality and soviet era punishment, well thats their problem. The problem is that he is trying to expand this policy into independent countries and that is a big problem.

          • n0truscotsman

            Not a bad point Dave. Certainly not any “worse” of a vote than has been conducted in any other American vassal state.

    • Zugunder

      You mean the memorandum which was violated when west put down economic pressure on yanukovych? This one?

      • troy

        Yanukovich stole BILLIONS of dollars, and was increasingly confiscating private property vis a vi selective prosecution. This was a popular uprising that the majority of Ukrainians supported. I know I talked to them through the whole crisis. Even “Pro Russian” types had enough of him. He stole billions directly from the IMF fund, which was borrowed from the US and Europe. Of course they did not support him. Good old Yanu was the stupidest person I have ever heard speak in public. He was also a convicted rapist who had videos of Yulia Tymshenko’s using the toilet in prison, and actually watched videos of her for hours at a time. Sorry, no sympathy from me here on that one. they should have Kadafi’d his ass.

        • Zugunder

          So these all some kind of “but” that can apply to violate this memorandum? I don’t defend Yanukovych, if Ukrainians don’t want him i can’t blame them, especially since i don’t live in Ukraine and wasn’t following his deeds. But you have to know that Russia has plenty of reasons to step in Crimea, hence violate this memorandum. Also Crimean Russians have reasons to not trust to new government in Kiev. I’m not gonna repeat some idiots on Russian media and scream about nazis, but this guys good known for their “love” to Russian part of Ukraine. And denying law about regional status of language shortly after you come to power? Realy? What reaction from this people you expected exactly? Overall, i can’t say who is “good” or “evil” we are not kids. There is happened what happened. My only hope is Russians and Ukranians, in the rest of Ukraine, wouldn’t act agressive to each other, because Putin wouldn’t just silently watch at this and i don’t want him act further.
          P.S. with all respect to Ukranians.

          • troy

            It’s a complicated situation. I have friends there,
            , some 1/2 Russian, who are all buying shotguns or AKs so they can prevent Russian annexation. The language thing is a little different. The country has not outlawed Russian however it has been the official as in only sanctioned language in school law government for over 10 years. This was a policy of all the soviet countries who became independent. It was a crime to speak any language other than Russian in the Soviet Union. it was also a way to end Russian TV propaganda that has become so prevalent.

          • Zugunder

            Well, i hope your friend just spend their money for no real reason, hah!

    • Publius

      Crimea wants to leave the Ukraine and even held elections on the matter. I’m sorry that you think Emperor Obama and his NATO minions should get to rule the world, but the Crimean people have spoken – their opinion is the ONLY one that matters here.

      What’s a farce is people like you claiming to support freedom and democracy, yet you’re willing to murder anyone who chooses something other than what you tell them to choose.

  • Ponch

    Steven seagal just needs to start breaking some arms in his lobbying effort. That’ll do it.

    • Publius

      Or follow Senator Yee’s lead and just smuggle them into the US.

  • gunslinger

    And i’m still waiting on the M1s..

  • Sammy Busby

    I was hoping to get an AK-12 pretty soon but I guess now I can use my money to buy an AK thats already imported or assembled here and spend a little upgrading it. It would probably come to about the same price either way

  • LCON

    Really, Why cant we just get a American maker to cook up a USA-k12? I mean the Features list is not totally unique, or impossible. the Furniture could easily be substituted with Mako Group stock, pistol grip and Railed handguard, Modify the Trigger, the safety and selector from the Galil, Forge a Block like receiver with Monolithic upper rail with Irons mounted on the rear most portion, cook up a ARX160 like internal dust cover with selectable ejection port, and modified charging handle.
    And though it may not be “Kalashnikov” brand I am sure our AK12 drool-ers would be sated. And with a little Work on could cook up kits to convert it to different calibers like the real deal, Easily covered would be the most common 7.62x39mm,5.45x39mm and 5.56x45mm and maybe branch out into the new tactical flavors 6.8×43 SPC2 and .300 Blackout.

  • David_TheMan

    Seems to me some people really are confused. They think its about what they like or what is here, instead of the deeper problem of why is the government allowed to choose who can or can not enter a market.

    If russia or any european company wants to enter the US market and provide us citizens a product they should be free to do so (free market). We ultimately benefit from it from increased competition and even more items to purchase.

  • 1911a145acp

    I see a silver lining here for AK lovers and America in general. Screw the Russian “situation”, the Chinese “situation”, and whatever political shenanigans that threatens to thwart importation. AK patterns guns ARE NOT ROCKET science! With new American manufacturing techniques- CNC machining, laser and water jet cutting, friction or spin welding- We could build a better product at same or lower cost and create AMERICAN jobs and a better AMERICAN AK pattern rifle or shotgun. WHO’S WITH ME!!? MERICA!!!!

    • David_TheMan

      Why are you so enamored with american made stuff? Why should we have to settle for making it ourselves when the government blocks others from coming into the market?

  • Samuel Same

    I am still waiting for the Kalashnikov VS-121 bullpup .308
    http://rt.com/news/izhmash-bullpup-sniper-rifle-889/

  • jack don

    Why does Russia need to get an ACTOR to lobby for them,when Israel has AIPAC and other lobby groups?

    Quiet frankly I would love to see the Russian equivalent of the NRA & GOA to work together so that Russians and Americans can buy guns from each other without restrictions.

    Same thing goes for nations such as Canada and England.

    I would love to buy one of those nifty SA-80,and straight pull ar-15’s rifles from an English Manufacture.

  • Sulaco

    Read “Fall of Night” by Chris Nuttall. A few years old but spot on in describing the situation in the Ukraine and how it might really go. Keeps you up at night…

  • 101nomad

    Reminds me of Bruno in the Popeye Cartoons.

  • Real American

    One always desires what he can’t get hehe. After the restriction on AK12 is gone, nobody would care about it, yet another AK modification(no big mechanical changes). But right now, everybody want AK12…