Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick has been only been shooting for the past 3 years but found his passion through competitive shooting. USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.


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  • Harrison Jones

    If it was striker fired and didn’t have the thumb safety I might be interested but it doesn’t impress me.

    • sauerquint

      Keep your glock then. Why does everyone have to make a glock? When someone does all the glocksters do is whine about it.

      • FourString

        Exactly. They’ll cry ‘Glock ripoff!’ before you can even say thumb safety.

  • Asdf

    Other than the laser, what is the difference?

    • http://www.bluesheepdog.com/ Richard

      Not much – price, slide serrations and the big M&P engraved on the slide.

  • aklover

    Are going to be? I’ve been selling them for about a week.

    I like the smaller foot print over the old ones a lot more, but I’m still not a big fan.

  • skeptical

    have they fixed the horrible triggers?

    • http://www.bluesheepdog.com/ Richard

      Same trigger as on the original.

      • Anonymoose

        Eww.

  • Indoor Gun Range Miami

    It is very shot and nice guns. It fire 16 rounds at a time. It is easy put in our pocket or cover.
    Miami Gun Shops

    • SD3

      ?No! Not 16. .380. Get fact straite.

  • TangledThorns

    Can someone please make a .380 that doesn’t suck?

  • SD3

    An M&P in .380? Very,very interesting. They should call it the “Bodyguard”.

  • Fred Johnson

    I would love a second strike capable pocket gun like that with no manual safety lever. Please S&W, offer it both ways.

  • wicked_bear

    Why is there a demand for .380? I get it, it appeals to small hands/women shooters but beyond that why would anyone choose a .380 when there are way better options that provide substantially more lethality than a wimpy .380. I’m talking about the shooters that aren’t novice shooters, people that can handle and deliver 9mm, 40S&W, .45acp rounds effectively from these sub-compact weapons. It just seems to me that S&W, Glock developing a .380 and targeting a specific genre of shooters with these pea shooters is focusing their resources to a niche market. I get it that having a .380 is better than nothing, but in the world of choices we have, why would anyone settle for a .380? Its not that much more difficult firing a 9mm out of a small package like these. Also, the plethora of various rounds available for the 9mm is unmatched with the .380.

    • nova3930

      I have one for those times when I can’t dress appropriately to properly conceal a 9mm. It’s not ideal but it makes sense for the times I can’t carry my M&P9C. With XTP loaded rounds (Fiocchi and a couple others) the .380 can consistently hit 13″ of expanded penetration so it will do the job in a pinch…

    • TangledThorns

      You nailed it that women love the .380. Unless a woman was raised hunting or have military/LE training they will gravitate to the smaller round with their first pistol purchase. Just like my wife did, lol.

    • Anonymoose

      It’s easier to carry a .380 that you might practice with than a 9mm (or larger) of the same size that you won’t practice with. With proper shot placement .380 (or even .32) can be just as lethal to a human as 9mm, .40, .45, .357, 10mm, or whatever other standardized pistol cartridge you want to bring into this.

      • itsmefool

        And there ya go, Moose…it’s all about practice! All of us could carry Desert Eagles (with an overcoat, you can conceal anything), but regular and honest practice with that thing? No thanks!

    • micko77

      But my arthritic 80-yr-old neighbor can not handle any 9mm’s, nor .38 revolvers; can run .32′s and some .380′s. They have their places.

    • Dan

      because it’s easier to make a small 380. it’s easy to find pocket 380s, i have yet to find a real 9×19 that i’d call pocketable, unless you’re andre the giant. an m&p shield is not a pocket gun.

      sometimes a pocket gun is the difference between being able to CC and not being able to CC at all.

      also much easier to grab a pocket 380 if you are in a hurry, rather than having to spend time putting on your gun belt, put the IWB holster on, etc.

      • gunslinger

        i knew a few joggers and cyclists who didn’t want the weight/bulk of a larger frame firearm.

        different strokes different folks? i guess it boils down to context.

  • Jerry Van Ness

    Why are you so down on .380′s wicked bear? Let me fire a few shots in your direction with a .380 and I bet it will get you attention – big time. I don’t think you would feel much like engaging in more trouble making if you got hit by one either.
    I want a pocket pistol, and what else is available? I don’t want to carry a 20 + oz. hunk of steel in my pants. I feel that I don’t need a 9mm to protect my family I am confident that the .380 would provide more than adequate protection in 98% of the potential hazards that I can imagine facing. I just want a functional gun that I won’t leave home because it too heavy or bulky to carry. I don’t care how prestigious the gun is – just that it goes bang when I pull the trigger.
    Just to anger a few more guys, I won’t carry a gun in my pocket without a manual safety, and I fail to see why some insist that the safety should be removed. If you don’t want a safety, don’t set the safety (they are your jewels).
    P.S. I don’t own a Glock simply due to the fact that they don’t offer a safety.
    Bring on the love letters. LOL

    • gunslinger

      Just saying

      it’s probably because someone has the midset of “x gun or y caliber is the end all be all of self defense 150% of the time and if you don’t believe me you are uneducated.”

      meh. personally, carry what you will carry. a .380 in your hand is better than the 9mm, .40, 10mm, .45 back at home. and even then, different carry guns work in different situations. carry a full sized .45 when jogging or cycling? don’t think so. pocket pistol when you are wearing a suit/vest and can have a shoulder rig?

      ladies with their various clothing options?

      ref. image>>>>>

  • Nice round

    Summertime i wanted something for my pocket.and this fits the bill… And yes i am an ex marine 24 years. I know my weapons. I can be just as deadly with a 22 short compared to a 45. Small brains and no balls are the people who think you need a cannon to protect yourself.