Crye Precision Six12 Shotgun

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Tactical gear manufacturer Crye Precision debuted their first firearm at SHOT Show. Instead of entering the firearm industry the easy way with a branded AR-15 they enlisted the skilled gun designer Eric Burt, who has previously worked on the AAC Honey Badger and Magpul Masada, to develop the Crye Precision Six12 Shotgun.

Eric Burt with the Crye Precision Six12

Eric Burt with the Crye Precision Six12

This bullpup shotgun can be used in either standalone or as an underbarrel rifle accessory. The shotgun has a revolving cylinder that is rotated by the double action trigger (it does not have a pre-wound spring like the Milkor MGL). A unique feature of this gun compared with other revolver shotguns is that the cylinder completely detaches from the gun to allow quick reloading with a pre-loaded replacement cylinder.

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The shotgun will be available in a number of consumer and law enforcement barrel lengths. The gun is planned to go on sale for law enforcement at the end of 2014 and go on sale to consumers sometime in 2015.

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  • Dan

    Who wants in on the betting pool of whether the non-NFA version will actually make it to market, and if so will it be declared a DD.

    • http://www.2amats.com/ KC

      if the Saiga isn’t a DD by now, I doubt this will

      • wetcorps

        The Streetsweeper/Protecta is, though.

        • Frank

          Think that’s just for the purpose of imports though. This thing will probably be made stateside.

          • Cymond

            It’s not just for the purposes of import, see the definition of “Destructive Device.”

            (2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter (.50 inches or 12.7mm), except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes;

          • Tim U

            “except a shotgun or shotgun shell which…”

            It uses the 12 gauge, a shotgun shell that has been “recognized” and is OK by law.

          • gunslinger

            it’s not the 12ga shell that is approved. it’s the “spoting purposes” clause. the sporting purpose applies to the gun, not the ammo fired.

            the SS was not approved, even though it fired 12ga. it didn’t have a “recognized sporting purpose” (whatever that really means)

          • Cymond

            You are taking that out of the context of the rest of the definition. The simple fact is that shotguns are exempt from DD classification only if ” the Secretary finds [it] is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes”

          • cmblake6

            This thing would be PERFECT for harvesting feral pigs, don’t you think? Voila, “sporting purpose”.

        • gunslinger

          but this is nothing like it. it doesn’t have the spring or the fixed mag…

          wait. but i’m sure someone can convince of a sporting purpose (as stupid as that is)

          • Tim U

            You can have “non-sporting” firearms that meet 922r US parts counts. Being made in America would solve that problem entirely.

            My guess is that this will hit the market, and it depends entirely on whether your state has any laws on them that may have different verbage than the federal laws. For example, in my home state a “revolving cylinder” on a shotgun means this would fit the state definition of a “semi-automatic assault weapon”, which is legal to buy and sell, but under the same laws governing a handgun rather than a rifle or shotgun. Your laws will vary.

          • Cymond

            The problem is the way the laws are written, everything over 50-calber is a destructive device except shoguns with a “sporting purpose” are exempt from DD classification. The ATF ruled that the Street Sweeper/Striker design had no sporting purpose, and therefore was not exempt from DD classification like other shotguns.

            Quoted from Wikipedia (which is in-turn quoting US law):

            The definition of a “destructive device” is found in 26 U.S.C. § 5845(f). The definition reads as follows:

            (1) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas, (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having a propellant charge of more than 4 ounces, (D) missile having an explosive charge of more than 1/4 ounce, (E) mine or (F) similar device.

            (2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter (.50 inches or 12.7mm), except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes;

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructive_device

          • wetcorps

            The Streetsweeper is actually pretty lousy but seems to have been restricted because it looks scary (see Forgotten weapons video about it if you haven’t yet). I’d take the Six12 over it any day :)

          • gunslinger

            i saw that, as i thought it was an “auto shotty” but yeah, a fixed spring loaded/cranked magazine fed shotgun? with a crappy stock and trigger. yup.

  • TheSmellofNapalm

    A semi-auto shotgun that doesn’t rely on gas operation and has a detachable cylinder? Win.

    • Matthew Fulghum

      The article says it uses a double-action trigger, not semi-auto. I bet the trigger pull on this thing is a beast.

      • TheSmellofNapalm

        I was under the impression that double action is in fact a form of semiautomatic fire….

        • gunslinger

          Double action means two resultanr actions witj one input action. Da revolver will cycle pull the hammer (thus rotating the cylinder) then drop the hammer.

          Semi auto would pill the hammer back then drop the trigger.

          Im assuming the double action here is more like a revolver.

        • Cymond

          No, semi-automatics use some of the firing energy (such as recoil or gas pressure) to open the action, cock the firing mechanism, eject the empty shell, and load a new round of ammunition. In a double-action revolver, the entire process of bringing the next round into firing position is done with muscle power.

          We use the term “semi-automatic” only to differentiate from “fully-automatic”. Some journalists use the term “automatic weapons” when they really mean “semi-auto”. I could speculate on their motives for this (spin? drama? ignorance?) but they are partially right. What we call “semi-automatic” was once advertised as “autoloading” which some people call “automatic” or shortened to just “auto” without any clarification.

          The point of the “autoloading” label was to sell rifles to sportsmen who were accustomed to manually loading each round in to the chamber in a bolt-action or lever-action rifle. Of course, these sportsmen were already familiar with double-action revolvers, some of which date back to the Civil War.
          The point is, double-action is not semi-automatic.

          • TheSmellofNapalm

            Nevertheless, both systems will fire a round every time you pull the trigger. Apples and crab apples, if you ask me.

          • cmblake6

            Well said, Cymond. Too many people know too little. BUT, they are at least enthused enough to learn.

  • wetcorps

    This is getting more and more awesome.

    I really wonder how does the trigger system works with these swappable cylinders, and how the trigger pull is.

    • FourString

      I was surprised by the detachable cylinders. Everyone was like “Duuude wouldn’t it be cool if they did this!!!?!” and now it turns out that they… actually did. o.o :D

      • wetcorps

        They sould do other caliber versions… 44 mag, 38/357, 9mm, 22LR/magnum, .410… Even rifle calibers maybe. That would be cool.

        • FourString

          Doode yus. That bullpup/cylinder format has a lot of potential. Maybe even .500 S&W for hunting o.o

          Now that would be interesting.

  • James

    When is Bianchi coming out with the speed strips?

    • GI Joe

      Quick strips exist already for 12g rounds made by http://www.tuffproducts.com. They are just like the speed strips made for 9mm, 38cal. etc. They even have some for 40mm rounds. They are a plastic flexible type strip and holds my 12 gauge rounds in really well, they do not fall out. Just passing it on.

  • mechamaster

    Wow, let’s add frag-12 shotshell and it is become micro-milkor bullpup grenade launcher.

  • Tim U

    I think I’m going to replace my Saiga with one of these. No gas system, more compact, and I keep my quick reloads? Sign me up

  • Anderson Keim

    Looks like Eric Burt is familiar with Borderlands :P. I approve.

    • gunslinger

      Great game series.

      i’ve love to see someone take on some of the more “familiar” weapons from media.

      namely vash’s bottom cylinder barrel revolver (minus the whole alien arm molding super weapon thing, obviously)

      • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

        Chippa Rhino is a bottom barrel revolver

        • gunslinger

          sweet. would still need some gunsmithing on the mechanics, but at least they are done.

        • Giolli Joker

          And it has hexagonal cylinder like this shotgun…
          (I wonder if there might be any patent infringement… like Glock’s square slide)

      • Lagduf

        Vash’s gun is basically the Mateba UNICA 6. Bottom barrel, semi-automatic (yes, you read that correct) revolver.

        • Cymond

          Vash’s revolver was not semi-automatic with a sliding top half. It loaded with a top-break action like the old S&W Model 3.

        • gunslinger

          But i can see the top hqlf having a gas tube to cycle the cylinder and cock the hammer. Complex mechanics for sure but its anime

  • hami

    Please show me a moon clip full of 12 gauge rounds. I’m going to LOSE MY MIND if i see a big ass moon clip for this shotgun.

    • gunslinger

      minigun using 12 gauge instead of 762×51?

  • Michael

    Looks interesting, not sure how much it is going to cost, but has to compete on price with semi auto combat shotguns from Mossberg, Remington and Benelli

    • Tim U

      It may have some issue from Mossberg or Remington, but I can see this right along the price point of Benelli autoloading shotguns.

  • iksnilol

    Do they have plans for bigger mags? Or would that mess up the trigger pull too much?

    • gunslinger

      i dno’t think it’s the trigger, i think it’s the physical size. can you put a 8 round cylinder into a normal 6 round revolver?

      • iksnilol

        Well, you can make a bigger cylinder. The protecta uses a cylinder, though it uses a pre-wound spring.

        • gunslinger

          true. but increasing the cylinder size means the moving the center a bit lower.
          take the mag, draw the 6 shots, and the center axis.
          now draw with 7,8,10. and line one of the shot holes up. there’s a difference in the point of rotation.

          i’m not sure of the mechanicals on the firearm’s rotation mechanism, but i’m betting the rotational axis is fixed, thus would be a problem if the rotation axis of the mag was different.

        • wetcorps

          Also a larger cylinder would probably brush against you because of the
          bullpup configuration. If there is nothing locking it in place between
          shots, you might inadvertantly de-index it.

          • BryanS

            Engineering issues… could be solved with some gears and a shroud :)

    • Tim U

      I don’t see how they could do it without introducing more problems than it would solve.

      • iksnilol

        Stomp some more on my dreams, will ya?

        • wetcorps

          We’re sorry iksny :)
          But hey, you can already double the capacity by attaching the breaching version under the long one (so u can breach while u breach) ^^

          • gunslinger

            Obligatory yow dag i heard you like shottys so we put a shotty under your shottu so you can shotgun while you shotgun

          • ArcRoyale

            Well, given the breaching version is meant to be attached to a rifle, it’s pretty well a yo dawg by design. However, the possibility of creating a double shotgun with a 12 round capacity is intriguing, if silly.

  • ColaBox

    Reminds me of a number of Helghast weapons from the Killzone series. The want is strong.

  • Lance

    You already reported this 3 time Steve I like reading one two other post with the same pics is obsessive. Nice item wont be around for long Democrats will have there ATF gestapo label it a destructive device like the Street Sweeper.

    • Michel_T

      Maybe they could make a handgun version… Kind of like a Taurus Judge, but on steroid!
      (Don’t know how useful that would be… But it would certainly be fun to plink with)

      • wetcorps

        The breaching attachment doesn’t have a stock so I guess it could count as a pistol if it had a rifled barrel. Using it alone would certainly be… interesting.

        • Cymond

          Doesn’t work in 12ga. It has a bore greater than 50 caliber (I believe 0.510 is actually the limit). If it’s not a shotgun, SBS, or AOW then it becomes a Destructive Device.

          • wetcorps

            Too bad ^^

    • anointedsword

      How about getting involved in politics locally and make something happen rather than having this doomsday mentally that only caters to unconstitutional law makers.

      • Cymond

        We do NOT need Lance in politics.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Lance it’s only been a day since I posted a warning about referring to people or governments comparing them to Nazi’s.
      Last chance–no more nazi garbage or political statements. We’ve already had a discussion about referring to law enforcement agencies of any type as being a part of an organization that murdered heaven only knows how many people.
      If you have a problem with something Steve post you know how to email him and talk about it not just post a negative towards him for the entire planet to read then bail.
      Lance I’m dead serious no more—-

  • MrDakka

    Dibs

  • GI Joe

    I love it. Bring it on, I want.

  • Anders Albertsson

    Looks Jackhammer inspired to me

  • Winston Buie

    loving this….my new must have

  • icchan

    I wonder what kind of cylinder gap flash you get from a twelve gauge…

  • BryanS

    Don’t understand how law enforcement and consumer have anything to do with barrel lengths, except for arbitrary limits put on a free people in the cause of “sporting”.

    • cmblake6

      NFA 1934. First major violation of the 2A.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Law enforcement and military units have a need for a very short barrel for room clearing mobility. Others don’t think we need them without paying that tax stamp.

  • cmblake6

    Okay, I want one. Question about the cylinder/barrel gap though. How much leakage are you going to have, right across your cheekbone and eyes?
    For those of you babbling about semiautomatic revolvers and so on, a revolver is not an automatic. The double action OR single action system requires manipulation of that cylinder to align the next round into line with the barrel. There is no ejection. In the case of double action, the trigger mechanism provides both the revolution of the cylinder and the cocking of the hammer, and then the release of said hammer. In the single action, when you cock the hammer, that manipulates the cylinder progression and cocking, and the pulling of the trigger does the single job of releasing that hammer. The automatic revolver was not a grand idea. Too much machining and stuff, barrel and cylinder section had to slide on the frame to advance for the next shot, that sort of thing. And you still couldn’t just change the magazine to continue on, you had to open the cylinder, remove the fired cases, reload, just like any regular d/a revolver. With the auto-loading firearm, you have fire, unlock, extract, eject, cock, feed, chamber, and lock for the next round. That means the the auto-advancing revolver is actually neither fish nor fowl.

  • cmblake6

    Linked at mine, you should be getting some of my readers in any time.

  • cmblake6

    Bloody hell. I need a link to the Crye site so I can recommend one easy mod to this.

  • Yohanes

    I think this thing has merit for a less-lethal riot control type setup, but it’s 6 round capacity is not much for LE or .mil