Sig Releases the P320, First Striker Fired Sig Pistol

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Yesterday, Sig announced the Sig P320, a polymer framed, striker fired pistol.  Many know Sig has, up to this point, always been a hammer fired pistol so this is a definitely a break from their normal design.  The pistol will be available is 9mm, .40S&W and .357Sig, with a .45ACP coming later in 2014 according to the Sig rep I talked to this morning.  The pistol comes in two sizes which are called Duty and Carry, and can be converted back and forth depending on the need with the purchase of the additional slide/barrel combo.  The Duty has a 4.7″ barrel while the Carry has a 3.9″ barrel making it more suited to concealed carry.  Both options come standard with Sig-Lite night sights.

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Many know that I am a huge fan of Sig for their quality and because they work well for people with large hands like I do.  The P320 is no exception, and feel great in the hand just like any other Sig would.  The polymer is lighter, and the bore axis on this pistol is not quite as high as something like the P229 or P226.  The slide is smooth operating, and the slide release is firm, but very easy to release with a simple flick of the thumb.  The trigger was not quite as impressive as the rest of the gun.  To me, who is used to a very smooth trigger on a Sig, the trigger felt mushy, and had an almost non-distinct break to it.  This could be due to the fact the pistols they had were some of the first made, and the trigger is not as refined as it will be in the future.  Reset on the trigger was also felt mushy, and seemed to lack a distinct reset point, which again could be limited to the demo pistols.

The MSRP for the P320 is $713 for either size.

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  • El Duderino

    Hmm…mushy trigger and $200 more than a Glock. So…?

    • http://thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Sam Cadle (Staff Writer, TFB)

      Like I said, the trigger in the demo guns may not be what the final will feel like. These guns at the show are some of the first ones made, and can exhibit problems that will not be in the final product that is shipped. While that is likely the case, I felt it important to let people know what my initial impression of the pistol was, and that means that I need to mention the trigger that I wasn’t too fond of.

      • Giolli Joker

        Aren’t exposition guns usually sporting somehow tampered actions to make them inert?
        (shortened firing pins or similar stuff)

        • http://thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Sam Cadle (Staff Writer, TFB)

          They are all disabled in some way, there are various ways that they are doing it. Most companies try not to change the feel of the gun to the user though.

    • john huscio

      MSRP is not street price.

  • Esh325

    Is this Sig’s way of admitting that the Glock is superior in some way? What causes a company that traditionally makes DA/SA pistols to start making pre cocked striker fired pistols unless companies like Glock were digging into their sales?

    • http://thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Sam Cadle (Staff Writer, TFB)

      Speaking to the reps today, I get the impression they are trying to stay current and put out a product that keeps up with all the other companies going to striker fired. I am a big fan of sig, have carried one in some fashion for about 8 years. Companies have to evolve, and I think this is Sig doing that.

    • Anonymoose

      I think it’s more about police taste in weaponry these days, not brands. The G17 was one of the first striker-fired pistol designs and one of the first polymer guns to REALLY catch on worldwide, but the original Hi-Power was striker-fired, and the HK VP70 had a polymer frame before Glock was even considering making guns. The ONLY things that Glock really introduced to the firearms market were ferritic nitrocarburizing and the lack of a manual safety (which is still the leading cause of NDs to this day). Probably the main reason police departments like Glocks is because they want trigger pulls that are always the same weight (usually much heavier than most end-users would like) for decades, and they can easily change the trigger to be consistently, painfully heavy with factory parts. There’s not really anything going for Glock that other companies (like S&W, Walther, Beretta, SIG, HK, and FN) aren’t better at, besides customization due to the huge aftermarket, and their advertising.

      • Ju Con

        I thought the leading cause of ND’s was an errant finger? Material intrusion into the holster or trigger guard, is not even a close second.

        • FourString

          Of course but if you have a manual safety it’s sort of an additional buffer against that for the untrained and the FUBAR situations (for the trained).

          • Ju Con

            Absolutely true; but holsters fill a similar role for pistols.

            Tex Grebner made it work just fine with a manually safety’d pistol, unfortunately.

          • FourString

            Yeh. Funny that you mention holsters, as the SERPA holster he was using probably contributed the most to that ND

          • Ju Con

            Like!

      • FourString

        I do know that some police departments (Santa Monica Police Department in Southern California immediately comes to mind) that are all H&K and actually carry USP 9’s and 45’s (DA/SA with manual safety). They have a graphically fancy brochure on their website about it if you google them. Of course they are in the minority. Irvine’s Police Department carries around Glock 17’s, as do most departments nationwide.

        I’d imagine that simplicity of takedown/cleaning, parts availability, and overall costs have a lot to do with the Glock preference too.

        As for the commercial/civilian sector, Glock magazines are just so damned consistently cheap compared to other makes.

    • Ju Con

      Sig has lost out huge sections of the market over the last few decades. The cost and relative lack of desirable features involved in making aluminum-framed, DASA hammer-fired systems with ever decreasing QAQC around the lineup; have pushed Sig to interesting measures to stay afloat, until they can successfully market an option to compete. An option that is in line with the market’s desired pricerange, weight, capacity, and trigger characteristics. This will likely involve: a polymer receiver for the first two attributes, nothing new for the third, and a striker fired system.

      Aluminum and steel frames are more proportionally expensive to make every year, relative to a properly done polymer receiver. DASA triggers work, but not as well as effectively-SAO systems for most. Hammer-fired systems are more mechanically complex, susceptible to foreign material intrusion into, physical obstruction, and have dynamic felt-trigger weights as leverage upon the hammer changes across its’ arc.

      Sig should have adapted a decade ago.

      • Anonymoose

        I agree with pretty much all of that, but DA/SA still feels better to me than striker-fired, and metal frames give less felt recoil and are incapable of being limp-wristed.

        • Ju Con

          DA/SA is the preference of some individuals, but not of many organizations; nor of individuals who’d rather hone other aspects of the skillset. It was an invention born more of the desire for difference, rather then innovation.

          Heavier metal frames may slow the speed of recoil impulse; but polymer frames flexing under recoil are felt as more yielding by most. Metal frames can definitely be limp wristed.

          Preference is a poor argument against the measurably better, when it comes to organizations and procurement; which this pistol is aimed at.

      • Colin

        Yet they have an excellent polymer gun already in the 2022, why they don’t push that more I’m not sure.

        • Ju Con

          Are you going to make a point?

          • Colin

            I have always been curious as to why they don’t market the 2022 more, I meet many people that know about the 226,220,210 and are completely unaware of the 2022. I have the 2022 and had the 2340. the 2022 is the equal of the 226 at a much better price point.

          • Ju Con

            Crap, I feel bad for coming across snappy earlier; I’m sorry, dude – my tone was impolite.

            The 2022 has been mostly sustained by a particular foreign customer, that last I heard may be moving away from it; a huge sale in the beginning, but diminishing returns over the years. The 2022 is even better when compared against the Legacy pistols that were on sale at the time of its’ inception, but is still an incremental step forward.

          • Colin

            No worries, we all have those kind of days! The French Police bought 250,000, that’s a very big single contract! Sig is an odd company and it seems the 2022 series is the unloved stepchild still working hard and mostly ignored by the marketing department.

        • FourString

          High bore axis / muzzle flip and less tailoring for individual needs is my guess?

  • Esh325

    Personally I think gun manufactuers should just come up with a new trigger/safety system that is superior to all others so we don’t have to debate DA/SA VS SAO VS pre cocked triggers anymore.

    • Anonymoose

      How about a striker-fired gun with a good trigger and a thumb safety?

      • Esh325

        I’m sure it’s been done already.

        • Guest

          Yup, there are M&P variants that have that.

          • FourString

            Good triggers maybe after you install an APEX unit. Out of the box? Not so much. Not sure about the Pro models though, haven’t shot those myself.

      • FourString

        Add restrike capability to that a la Walther P99 and then we’d have an all around winner like Esh325 is theorizing about.

      • Thetruth

        The striker-fired Walther P99AS has a fantastic trigger, and while it doesn’t have a thumb safety, it does have a thumb-activated decocker.

      • woodman

        Ruger SR9

    • FourString

      The Remington R-51 seems like it could be a promising answer: a well executed grip safety that precocks (?) a crisp breaking single action trigger with a short reset. Seems really sweet, at least to me.

  • Don’t Drone Me Bro

    So a gun that is more expensive than a Glock, M&P, FNS and XDM, that has more than a passing resemblance to the P250. The P250, the gun that seems to have been rejected by the Air Marshals, ATF, and the Dutch among others… why would I want this? So I can get some weird rainbow edition, or diamond plate model?

    • FourString

      They should not have started their polymer lineup with a long DAO trigger. Seems like they besmirched their own image with that act.

      I’ll reserve judgment until the actual product comes out and is shot by reviewers, but I definitely agree especially on the FN FNS.

    • TheShooterist

      I have owned a P250 since the gen II and I love that gun for what it is. Bottom line is that it is accurate. I own several high end pistols including HK, STI, Springfield and Colt. My 250 is just as accurate and I’ve never experienced reliability issues. What are your qualms with the 250?

  • Anonymoose

    How long til the .45 version comes out?

  • Lance

    More expensive still buy Glock then for your mostly plastic handgun needs.

  • Jeremy Star

    The expense doesn’t concern me, because once you install night sights on an M&P or Glock the retail cost will be about equal.

    For me the real concerns are:

    High bore axis. Sigs traditionally have a higher bore axis because they need the space for the hammer assembly. This has a high bore axis because….it’s pretty much a P250 with the hammer removed.

    Grip sizes – Instead of replaceable backstraps Sig opted to make the whole polymer lower the grip. Great, except how available are the different sizes going to be? And it’s pretty inconvenient, considering Glock, M&P, Walther, and others already include different grip sizes with the pistol. How are we supposed to know the best grip size for us without ordering $100 or $200 worth of additional lowers?

    • FourString

      Yeah from the pictures it seems like they really missed the boat on the full potential of the striker system. They could have designed it from the ground up to have a revolutionary (for Sig) bore axis, but it seems that they opted for the lower cost tooling of using the P250 castings/millings for the most part.

      However, we won’t know for sure until TFB and other reviewers actually shoot and test them.

  • FourString

    P320 makes me think of .32 acp… tad bit confusing at first, at least for me @_@|

    although to be fair the model name P226 doesn’t stand for 9mm in any way

  • PD

    SIG is an acronym and should be capitalized.

  • Chili man

    Im concerned about the trigger assembly being the serialized part of the handgun. Typically, trigger feel is very subjective and therefore it can be an issue for someone who has a mushy or unclean break. Im not sure if swapping it out is an option with a serialized trigger assembly.