Citadel M1 Carbine in 9mm: Additional Information

M1 Carbine 9mm

Legacy Sports International released additional information on the new M1 Carbine clone chambered in 9×19.

The gun is blowback operated and uses Beretta 92 magazines.  The gun will ship with either two 10-round or two 17-round magazines depending on local gun restrictions.

Two stock options will be available:  wood and black synthetic.  The trigger, barrel band, and sights will be made of steel.  Some other parts, such as the bayonet lug, will be made of plastic.

According to Legacy Sports International, the gun will have the same external dimensions as the .22 LR version of the gun, but will weigh 5 lbs, 8 oz.

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  • Doom

    AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN, P L A S T I C BAYONET LUG,
    WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????
    Especially
    if they take the time to make other parts metal why not make the
    fricking lug metal too?!!? M9 mags would have been my second choice as
    they are more expensive, dont have easily obtainable 33+ cap mags, or as durable as glock mags are.

    • Eric S

      If it’s plastic, is it really a bayonet lug? Could help them get around any future ‘scary looking black military style baby seeking death machine’ restrictions in the future.

      Maybe someone could make and sell steel replacements?

    • erwos

      Didn’t Beretta come out with factory 30rd mags recently? I think it was related to the Indians adopting the MX4.

    • FourString

      If you bulk order 30 round 92 mags straight from Beretta, they’re actually the same price as 33 rd Glock 17 mags, I think. o/

    • David Sharpe

      You should be able use real M1 Carbon bayonets lug.

    • cpt. crunch

      I’ve nabbed factory mags for the 92 as low as $10/each. I can’t say the same when I’ve gone G17 mag hunting.

  • schizuki

    If it’s under $600, I’m in. I’m gonna grow old and die before I ever see a Kel-Tec SUB2000 for the Beretta.

    • M.M.D.C.

      From the April 25 post: “Pricing is $349 for the synthetic version and $426 for the wood.”

      Sounds great, if it’s well made. Anyone know anything about Legacy Sports quality?

      • insertjjs

        reading the article. I think that was for the announced threaded barrel 22s

        Also announced by the company was the introduction of threaded barrels
        for the .22 LR chambered M-1 carbines. Threaded barrels will be
        available in both the wood stock and black synthetic stock versions.
        Pricing is $349 for the synthetic version and $426 for the wood.

        • M.M.D.C.

          DOH! Looked too good to be true.

          • insertjjs

            yeah, that would have been in a heart beat pricing.

  • wetcorps

    Now that’s a PCC I’d want.

    Plastic bayonet lug is indeed silly, though.

  • MeeBit

    If they make one in a glock flavor for $600 or less I’ll be in. Doubly so if they make a flavor that takes CZ P-09 mags, though I doubt that’ll ever happen.

  • Vhyrus

    Make a folding/collapsable stock model and you will almost wipe kel-tec off the map.

    Make a .40 cal version and you [u]WILL[/u] wipe them off the map.

    • Bubba

      The .40 is a compromise cartridge, and (In my opinion) it’s not good enough to justify the extra cost compared to a 9mm.
      Personally I’d like to see one in 10mm, but I’m not sure this design will handle that kind of power, I think the bolt might be too light.

      • Matt Ware

        .40 S&W stands for slow and weak, right?

        • Karina

          Short and Weak, to be precise. It’s Forty Short and Weak.

          • Blake

            I thought it was Short & Wimpy?

      • BOB

        .40 has great ballistics out of a carbine length barrel, it gains much more than a 9mm does from the same length. I’d rather have a 10mm carbine too, but .40 is pretty impressive out of a longer barrel.

        • DougE

          I’m pretty sure .40′s have great velocity out of 8-10″ barrels, but much more than that they’re not gaining much, still, better than the 5″ barrels that we’re usually sold.

          • BOB

            obviously 16 is overkill, but short of a tax stamp, its whatcha gotta do. Only revolver cartridges take advantage of full length barrels.

  • sianmink

    This thing needs a para stock and <3
    if it was just made so all m1c furniture would fit, there's already plenty of options on.the market.

  • That Guy

    I hope it sells well enough for them to expand into other calibers…. like 10mm, using Glock or EAA mags…

    • Suburban

      I’d rather carry a G20 then a Beretta 92 as a companion. The Kriss magazine extensions for .45ACP magazines should work just fine on Glock 10mm magazines. Sounds like a great idea to me.

  • Matt Ware

    http://i.imgur.com/JmBkN.gif

    WANT WANT WANT! ALL OF MY WANT! Hopefully they’ll be able to make more of these than Kel-Tec can make of the SUB2000.

  • David Sharpe

    Make it with an 18.5 inch barrel and I’ll buy two.

    • schizuki

      Forgive my ignorance, but why do you need another half-inch of barrel? Is it a legal requirement where you are?

      • David Sharpe

        Actually it might be 18, I’d have to check.

        But yes, in Canada centrefire rifles have to have a barrel length of 18(.5) inches to be classed as a hunting rifle and therefore not registered. A normal length M1 Carbine is classed as a pistol.

  • Michael

    Damn, I thought I had bought my last 9mm. If they sell for the price mentioned then I think one will find its way into my safe
    How about making it in .30 carbine?. 10mm, 5.7×28, 4.6, 7.62×25, or .410

    • Joe

      IIRC, there’s already a .30 carbine clone.

  • jimmy

    Call me a gun heretic but I really don’t see the advantage of this at all versus a decent Ruger or Marlin 22lr, unless you want it for the “cool toy” factor. 9mm out of a rifle is nothing to write home about. I’m glad that this is reasonably priced to compete with the Kel Tec, however, as this space needs more reasonably priced options.

  • Joe

    Been waiting for news on this gun for a while. Still hoping for a folding stock version, but I’m glad these won’t need proprietary mags.

  • Clint Notestine

    how was this not been made like 30 years ago

    • Anonymoose

      30 years ago they were too busy making 10mm Auto and .45 Win Mag M1 Carbines to care about 9mm.

      • st4

        I’d love to have one of these in 10mm.

  • Paul White

    what’s the MSRP? I’m very interested…now if it was in .45 or 10mm…that’d make me a great present.

  • Clint Notestine

    why include a a bayonet lug at all? Sure it makes it look official but the mag is a dead giveaway already. The only time ive heard of people using bayonets not in combat is my dad using my mannlicher carcano bayonet to finish off boars.

  • Hunter57dor

    blowback operated? WHY.

    the original worked just fine with its gas operated system, why reinvent the wheel? you are probably losing a ton of velocity due to a lack of a locking bolt.

    • DougE

      It should keep the price down to go blowback. I remember others saying that to keep it gas operated would actually complicate it more.

    • David Sharpe

      max reassure for the .30 is about 4000 psi higher than the 9mm. Not sure if that’s enough to sway the decision.

      But blowbacks are simpler than gas operated to make and maintain.

  • zeos

    this meme has never been more appropriate.

  • Maxpwr

    I wonder how it is legally importable. Imported firearms can’t accept a high capacity magazine or designed to take one if what we were reading about the Taurus CT9 recently is correct. Even without any other “assault features” it can’t be importable with ability to take high capacity magazines.

    • Moose

      But it doesn’t have rails! /s

  • meatdonut

    I’m almost sold on this but I remember reading that the .22 version blows a ton of crap in your face since it’s blowback but doesn’t have anything covering the top of the bolt. I’m curious whether that will be the case with a 9mm gun or not. .22′s certainly seem to be dirtier in general.

  • Lance

    Its nice but when will they make a .30 Carbine version like the original. They would be less$to buy a Citadel M-1 Carbine than overpriced surplus M-1s.

    • David Sharpe

      Auto Ord makes them.

    • st4

      “You get what you pay for.”

  • Justin

    I would buy the hell outta that.

  • st4

    Tempting, considering I do have a 92F in the safe…

  • Matrix_3692

    just out of curiosity, is there any M1 carbine variant chambered in .44 Magnum?

    • Duray

      Ruger Deerfield

  • spencer60

    Sorry, they lost my vote with the poor choice of magazine. Completely destroys the ‘M1′ look.

    At the least they could have included a carbine-mag shaped block of plastic the mag slipped into.

    And with real M1 carbines available for the same price new, or way less used, I just don’t see the appeal…

  • rootman

    nice
    major mistake to not use glock mags

    • Anonymoose

      A polymer gun as a companion to an M1 Carbine is an extremely unfashionable pairing. That’s like carrying a pre-WWII S&W revolver and a handheld coilgun.

      • rootman

        don’t care about fashion..
        not my point.
        hate glocks.
        glock mags are good and come in lots of capacities…

        • cpt.crunch

          News flash.

          Beretta 92 magazines are, “good and come in lots of capacities…”

          • rootman

            News flash.. not as good and not in as many caps.

            You win..

            I surrender..

          • falster

            This peaked my curiosity so I checked out some of the most popular online stores.

            Beretta 92
            10, 15, 17, 18, 20, 30

            Glock 19/17/26
            10, 15, 17, 33, 50 (drum)!

            As for what’s the “gooder,” of the two mags, I don’t even know where to start. No results on a stress test between the two that I can find.

      • Dustin

        Very true. Besides, you shouldn’t carry polymer until after Labor Day.

        Very passe.

  • Mark N.

    According to some internet research I did, it appears that 9mm only gains one or two hundred feet per second out of a carbine length barrel, a function of the fast burning pistol powder being optimized for five inches or less. A .357, though, has been used in lever guns for a long time, and would be a better choice–the problem, of course, as some one mentioned, is the blowback design, and the rimmed cartridge makes reliable loading from a mag problematic. .357 Sig would work…

    • Anonymoose

      9mm from a carbine or an SMG with a respectable barrel length matches the ballistics of a .357 Magnum from a 6″ revolver. .357 SIG has trouble keeping up with .357 Magnum with bullet weights over 125 grains and barrels longer than 4″ because of decreased case capacity.

    • st4

      There was an M1 > 357 Mag conversion job floating around the net at one point that utilized Desert Eagle magazines. I think it was from Tromix if my memory is correct.

  • Mark N.

    Auto Ordnance does make an all new .30 cal M1, but the internet is rife with reports of unreliability and generally poor craftsmanship–same as the .22 Cal Citadel. You’re better off buying a surplus gun in decent shape that takes GI mags. If Clinton and Obama had not blocked importation of the surplus South Korean guns, we’d be awash in M1s at very reasonable prices right now.

  • Tinkerer

    Want some hard data on your “9 mm Para/40 S&W sucks and 10 mm rocks” to support your theories? Take a look at the great site “Ballistics By The Inch”.

    http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/9mmluger.png
    http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/40sw.png
    http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/10mm.png

    • Mazryonh

      Thanks. The 10mm still comes out on top, and the chart for that caliber here doesn’t cover the newer full-power rounds offered by companies like Underwood ammunition, sadly.

  • vincewarde

    If I buy one of these, I want to be able to mount a red dot, such as I have on my commercial carbine.

  • Mazryonh

    Aside from magazine commonality, why would anyone need this? Doesn’t the .30 Carbine round have a longer effective range, along with expanding ammunition that WW2 troops were forbidden to use now available?

    If you want a 9mm PCC, there are already plenty of models on the market that use Glock mags.

    • Suburban

      9mm is cheaper and way easier to find than .30 Carbine ammo.

      Original M1 Carbine military magazines are the ones to have, and they aren’t readily available.

      • Mazryonh

        Aside from the nostalgia factor of the wooden frame, I still don’t see much point to this firearm.

        • cpt. crunch

          But the m1 carbine is prettier than all the other options!

          • Mazryonh

            You mean the shell (as in this 9mm conversion) or the original GI version in .30 Carbine?

          • Anonymoose

            I would say both. :L

    • Anonymoose

      9mm is cheaper than .30 Carbine though.