Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Lance

    ME WANT ME WANT ME WANT!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ken HalfTooth Koebler

    Nice nothing says battle ready like a low capacity magazine!

    • Depends on how well you shoot.

      • 1911a145acp

        Quoting a SF Army Sgt. “The best I ever shot was NEVER in the worst fight I been in….” You rarely get the opportunity to display your best handgun marksmanship in a fight

    • Rich Guy

      Nothing says battle ready like a near half inch 230 grain slug.

      • insertjjs

        There’s a reason that the special forces types classify pistols as offensive (.45) and defensive (9mm).

        • dannye

          I hope you’re kidding.

        • Esh325

          I don’t believe those classifications exist.

          • insertjjs

            I don’t think it is an official designation. But I believe that I read that in “no easy day” or Chris Kyle’s book or somewhere else.That they tended to use the 45 as their sidearm in offensive situations and would carry the sig MK25 on security/escort operations.

            Also the MK23 SOCOM 45 was adopted from the Offensive Handgun Weapon System competition. SOCOM wanted a pistol chambered in a cartridge more powerful than the 9mm.

            http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1947
            article on the development of the MK23 and the OHWS competiion.

          • dannye

            The only thing offensive about the big bore fetish is the sheer pigheadedness of its adherents against all scientific and medical evidence.

            They’re probably descended from the same crowd who sabotaged the .280 Brit FAL.

          • Michael

            The US would never adopt a round not invented here. Maybe that is why the PDWs in 5.7 and 4.6 are not NATO standard.

          • dannye

            Yep, for that reason the MEUSOC adopt an overpriced, low-capacity pistol firing a low-velocity round invented for late 19th century metallurgy with no demonstrable advantage over modern pistols in modern chamberings.

            I’m going to offend some old soft armor with a $200 Tokarev this weekend, let’s see the M45A1 do that.

          • 1911a145acp

            You mean like we didn’t adopt 9x19mm and SF guys don’t use 338 LAPUA

    • rjackparis

      as a 9mm shooter if feel if you’re down to your pistol you’re already in trouble.

      Myself, a bit of lead into what’s causing that trouble solves said trouble.

      7 quite nearly half inch well placed can disrupt said trouble’s CNS, or over all being enough to solve said trouble.

    • 1911a145acp

      7 rounds IS standard capacity for a single stack 1911. It takes less of them to get the job done…..

  • Here’s some pictures of the original M45 MEU(SOC) w/ Surefire weapon light, Gemtech lanyard, and Strider Gunner grips. officially designated the M45 MEUSOC now redesignated as the M45A1 Close Quarter Battle Pistol (CQBP).

    • st4

      Once in a blue moon a Kimber Det-1 shows up on GB commanding huge dollars. I believe the Kimber Warrior is supposed to be the same thing, but with integrated rail.

  • Mason

    A noob question why the end of the barrel is black?

    • Mobious

      it’s been shot with… A LOT

      • Havok

        And it’s been shot with Remington UMC…A LOT. That shit had the back of my hand black after 2 magazines in my 1911.

  • rjackparis

    call me old but from the style aspect i still prefer pachmyar rose wood and rubber grips on black/blued 1911.

    then again i prefer my oldschool cz’s the same

    • ThomasD

      I don’t mind the coating type finishes anymore- done properly they really are amazingly durable (bet you could wipe all that muzzle fouling off with a dry rag.).

      But those grips do look like some hippie chick’s sun dress.

  • Dan

    Nobodys going to mention the typo in the header?

    • ThomasD

      Waht tpyo?

      • 5

        USMC instead of Marine

        • 5

          Tomato, tahmato really. If you got to exact it’s the 01070CQB. According to Colt’s website.

        • Steve (TFB Editor)

          Not sure its a typo. Its being referred to the Marine as Colt and USMC by everyone else.

          • the_duck

            “Colt Marine M45A1 Close Quarters Battle Pistol Reivew”

            You’re getting warmer, but you’re still cold.

          • ThomasD

            Apparently my ‘subtle transposition errors’ were a little too subtle.

      • wunskroolooz

        reivew the header and you’ll see it

  • LRB

    Even Larry Vickers has stated that the 1911 has been surpassed as a combat pistol in today’s market. Dress it up with rails and accessories, it still is a full size frame with 7 rounds in the magazine. I believe the 1911 has a place in todays market but not in combat.

    • Martin M

      By that thinking, 223/5.56 reigns supreme and nobody in their right mind would ever think of going back to 308/7.62. What exactly is different about 9mm today as opposed to a hundred years ago that makes it superior?

      I think that in this instance the Marines have got it right. A handgun is a close quarters weapon, and many shooters (including military and LE) have lost perspective. Personally, I and many others think short range stopping power is preferable to high mag capacity, and the Marines agree.

      • rjackparis

        he wasn’t referring to caliber, but capacity.

        • buzzman1

          RJ,
          Increased ammo capacity usually translates into more spray and pray. You have more ammo so less incentive to actually aim before firing your weapon.
          I have a 1911 and a P220. Both single stack. Love both of them but especially having been to the ME several times through the years and experiencing that talcum powder sand I’ll trust my life to a modern 1911 every time in a combat environment. 1911’s still have a bad name frome the cheap junk the military bought for WW2. Extremely loose tollerences so pistol parts from about 15 companies would work in any 1911 and no part being made of tempered steel except the slide lock. Add on almost 50 years and 3 wars and other little actions and no real maintenance and you had a piece of junk. Modern 1911’s are as far above the WW2 1911’s as the current M-4’s are above the Vietnam War M-16’s.
          BTW In the 80’s when the US announced it was going to the 9mm the euro’s thought we were nuts. The 9mm’s lack of knock down power and problems with over penetration as proven through several wars was a poor choice.

          • Michael

            So they Seals, SAS, Israeli’s, GSG9 are not concerned about the 9mm’s lack of knock down power.

          • buzzman1

            Its all politics. The euro’s are locked into 9mm’s because of politics ditto Israel. We get all of our 9mm from Israel so they have access to millions of rounds of 9 mmm awaiting delivery to the US if they need it, Seals have only limited ability to buy what they want AND its simple logistics. If they use say 40 cal and run out of ammo on a mission who is going to give them more ammo? Answer NO ONE!

          • tom

            Wrong. They can buy what they want… which is everything. A nine will kill you just as dead. Now if you’re are talking normal ground pounders… then you would have a point. Example being, troops are stuck with what congress makes them use. Seals love HK’s and just about anything that will put you down… and congress can pound sand. There are many purchases congress can’t even view for our special needs (me thinks)/.

          • 1911a145acp

            They use what they are given- ask any of them if they are in love with 5.56x45mm over ANY 7.62mm

      • LRB

        Not once did I mention 9mm or a 9mm handgun, I am not debating the effectiveness of .45 ACP as a combat round, that is a given. What I am debating is picking a heavy, full size frame handgun that only holds 7 rounds in the magazine. There are numerous high capacity combat handguns in 45 ACP that have better controls, ergonomics and tolerances than the 1911, and in this instance I think the Marine Corps chose nostalgia over applicability and practicality.

        • Martin M

          No, you didn’t mention 9mm, but I made the assumption since most service pistols w/ high capacity are in that caliber. Shame on me.

          True there are high capacity 45s, but they tend to have a fatter grip to accommodate wider magazines. I absolutely hate m-9s because they feel ‘fat’ in my hand (but I love my HiPowers, go figure). Ergonomics matter. 1911s have that lovely, slender profile. Single stack 45 mags stick with the slender theme. Slender can be a good thing, and it doesn’t take long to replace an empty mag.

          Tolerances, all too often, are overrated on handguns. Tighter gets you better accuracy at longer distances, but costs you reliability. I’m sure this pistol is plenty accurate at CQB range.

          Ultimately, training is more important than all the aforementioned.

    • Mazryonh

      When you’re down to your “insurance,” you better make sure that insurance can cover you sufficiently. 7 rounds is mighty little insurance.

    • Joshua

      Yet this was hand picked by MARSOC. I respect Larry but he is not perfect and does make mistakes. Trust me the guys over in MARSOC love them. It is also nice to have a 1911 that does not require special smiths to work on as all the parts of the new M45A1 is fully drop in.

      • LRB

        I think Larry Vickers has established himself quite handily as one of the leading pistol smiths in this country and a leading expert of the 1911. The individual MARSOC marine may like them now, but wait till the short service life starts to run thin. I am sure the armorers who are having to go through re-training on maintaing these have a whole nother perspective. Nothing on a 1911 is “drop in” trust me or better yet call Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, Dan Wesson and ask them about “drop in” on a 1911. For that pistol to run at its peak numerous parts need to be handfitted to the end user. Yes these 1911’s are made in the Colt Custom Shop but they are not fitted to each individual end user. Even still, it is a full size frame that only holds 7 rounds. And I stand by my statement made earlier below, in this instance the Marine Corps chose nostalgia over practically and applicability.

    • 1911a145acp

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  • Michael

    I like my Springfield 1911, I like the single action, but it is heavy. My glocks, FNP45 weigh a lot less and have much higher capacity.
    Nothing wrong with the High Power either, but we can make lighter higher capacity less expensive pistols nowadays.
    9mm vs 45ACP is another debate.
    I would like to own one of these pistols, but would prefer carry a more modern, lighter gun with more rounds in.

  • Jesse P Weaver

    Ugh….Series 80. Still now i don’t one which saves me money
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    • Joshua

      It has a lot of special things not found in other 1911.

  • vitor roma

    I still cant believe a 1911 won over the hk45 and fn45, two pistols that are the pinnacle of .45 handguns.

    • 1911a145acp

      And those two items have been adopted as issued service weapons by who? And have seen decades of combat field use where?

  • Jay

    Good looking firearm. Surprised they didn’t make it in an 8 rounder.

  • Michael

    How many extra mags for an M4 can you carry for the weight of this pistol?

    • Mazryonh

      Extra rifle magazines aren’t going to help if your rifle malfunctions in a way you can’t immediately fix (or fix in time). In that case, a reliable backup weapon may be the only thing that can save you. No one wants to be in Sergeant Joker’s place back in Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket when his rifle failed to fire–imagine if he had no backup weapon as the insurgent turned to fire at him!

      • LRB

        Lets use movies to illustrate real life demands……I was issued an M9 in Afghanistan, after a couple long patrols I realized that the weight and real estate that the M9 and M9 mags took up on my plate carrier was better utilized carrying extra M4 mags and an extra frag. My M9 for the rest of the deployment was used only for FOB errand running like gym, DFAC etc.

        • Michael

          I have heard this comment multiple times. How many people fire their pistols in combat? Even Special ops type .

      • st4

        Nice reference, but I think reliable actual backup saved his bacon, not his backup weapon in that scene.

        • Mazryonh

          I would say that in the field, backup comes “whenever it does, or not at all.” Otherwise, why would the British soldiers at the “Battle of Danny Boy” be forced to execute a bayonet charge when they eventually ran out of ammo for their rifles?

          At least your backup weapon should be on you at all times in the field regardless of where your backup troops/fire support are.

  • hacedeca

    Caracal vs Colt: the first that goes Kaboom, wins – at least in the opinion of a suicide bomber

  • Bryan McConnell

    I love 1911s but I carry a Glock 22 for security. 1911s are finicky about ammo, mags and hygiene. Glocks are just ugly and inelegant but can take what most people dish out and still never FTF. If I were competing for accuracy, my Kimber is the winner. If I want to stop someone from harming me or mine, I want that 16 rnds before mag change. My biggest problem is switching shooting grip between two.

    • Yojimbo556

      You buy a crap 1911 you are going to get crappy results, you buy crap magazines you are going to get crappy results. Ive owned Sig, Springfield and Kimber 1911s and they have never been picky about being cleaned, or ammunition. Since all my magazines are Wilson or Kimber i dont have magazine problems.

      • Bryan McConnell

        Leave those high dollar mags loaded for a month and what do you have? a malfunction. Limp springs. Not so for Glock. I own a Kimber Stainless Raptor and I have only had one fail to feed where I had one stick on the ramp in the first 50 shots. I have nearly 1000 through it now. It doesn’t like Hydroshok or any other hollowpoint that isn’t “ball shaped” slide locks on the last round if I don’t put a ball round in the end of each mag. While it’s the most accurate pistol I own, it is a plinker. http://www.hk94.com/hk/uploadgal/gallery/album_215/gallery_9150_215_125198.jpg

        • Yojimbo556

          Im bad about magazines, if i didnt shoot it at the range ill leave it loaded. Still not had problems. Varying experiences probably. I remember a friend having problems with mags and ammo in his 3in kimber(i dont remember the model)

          I had a Kimber Tacticool Entry II, never tested hollow points in it as it was always fed ball. Springfield and Sig have eaten everything Ive put through it. Though the Colt getting picked was probably more politics than anything else.

          • Bryan McConnell

            I am a believer in American made and I like the Colt. I figure you shoot how you train. If you are using the Colt to drill it should be your carry even if I believe capacity hampers the 1911. It’s a trade off. If I knew I’d likely need my carry for encounters of 30 feet to 30 yards, I’d choose the 1911. Stats say 3 to 12 feet. At that range, the crimson trace on the glock is my solution.

        • 1911a145acp

          1911 mag springs fail from being loaded-like car springs fail from being parked…..

          • Bryan McConnell

            Nope. Cars don’t park with their springs at full compression.

          • 1911a145acp

            And neither are 7 shot 1911 mag springs at full compression.

          • Bryan McConnell

            Opinions vary brother. Obviously the problem isn’t everybody’s problem because SOCOM generally use the 1911 exclusively but I have issues with mags I have used to date, Perhaps you are luckier or smarter than me but I will carry my Glock for self defense.

          • 1911a145acp

            I doubt I am l luckier and certainly not smart. Been shooting/competing/ building/ selling 1911s for 30 years.The Kimber is match grade and the tight tolerances may be just a little too tight for ( street) reliability. Good magazines are key to any semi auto functioning properly. I had a GI pistol from a widow that had been loaded in a drawer for 40 plus years- functioned perfectly. I have had outstanding performance from Wilson Combat mags over the years. I have some W/C mags that are 28 plus years old and have been rebuilt more than once. Chip McCormick, & Novaks, work well too. I have owned and carried dozens of GLOCKS and they work extremely well.Out of spec feed lips, worn mag spings ( especially 45 acp & 10mm) hard use and abuse can cause those mags to fail. Worn mag catch slots and base plates popping off are not uncommon with the heavier calibers.
            Best wishes to you and yours.

  • who cares?

    Lots of people posting here about the lack of capacity as a drawback of this pistol. The thing I can’t stand about it is the big honking beavertail. If you get hammerbitten more than once with the original design you are either too stupid, too uncoordinated, or too drunk to be allowed to play with guns.

    • Bryan McConnell

      I struggle with the thumbs forward on the 1911. All hands are not the same.

      http://www.nonags.org/members/warfinge1/higrip.jpg
      I would get bit without that beavertail.

    • Mikc

      So many net experts and so little wisdom. All can debate what you want and even LV is only one persons opinion. History is the real know it all and it has spoken on the 1911.

  • Michael

    Maybe I am missing something, but a lot of you are complaining about magazine size of 7. What is wrong with and 8 round mag, so 8+1, or even a 10 round for 10+1. I am not military, but have shot competitively with my 1911 and have never had an issue with 8 or 10 round magazines that were of reputable manufacturer. Also the 8 round magazines do not add any length and the 10 round is minimal. If you are worried about it, why not load an 8 round and have all your extra magazines be 10 rounders?

  • Gsm1

    All your points have some validity. However, while you are all wasting time debating like a bunch of useless U.N. hacks as to what is better where and when, the Marine Corps has already solved their problem and are moving on to the business of killing people. The fact is that the Marine special units have preferred their recycled/rebuilt 1911s for years instead of the Berretta. The problem is that there aren’t enough of these old frames to go around anymore because of the wartime ramp-up of SRT/Recon/MARSOC operators. They had been adding parts and frames to the system in an ad-hoc basis for years. They just figured to go ahead and make a solid purchase of these off the shelf guns that are pretty close to the standards of the rebuilt ones because the armorers are backlogged rebuilding them anyways

    They didn’t have time to go through these wasteful trials to determine the future of war fighting and its impact on mankind that seem to be more philosophical then real-needs based. They got an off the shelf product that is already familiar to the armorers and the operators using them. And for those of you crying wasteful use of public funds: you can rest easy knowing that that the Marine Corps, as usual, will make sure the People get their money’s worth by recycling these for another 50 years.