The next generation gun lock box?

Over at IndieGoGo, a Kickstarter type site, The Gun Box is trying to raise a $100,000 in seed funding for its first run production. With 26 days left as of this writing, they have raised $14.5K.

What’s interesting about this gun safe for me first, is its design. It looks sleek and something that fits in nicely with all of the other tech gadgets many folks have on their nightstands and around their home these days. It also doesn’t scream “gun safe,” which is all the better.

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Activated by either an RFID bracelet/ring, a fingerprint scan, or both, the Gun Box appears to open easily. The RFID option is interesting since it allows for quick access to your gun, and so the owner just needs to focus on securing the RFID bracelet/ring.

Other features are 2 USB ports so you can charge your phone, tablet, or other device. You can use a laptop cable to secure the box, and you can also take the box with you where apparently the charge will last days so you can lock/unlock the Gun Box.

An awesome security feature is that you can receive notifications when the box is opened, closed, or moved. Built in GPS will allow the owner to track the Gun Box’s movement, and notify police if necessary. These security features are only available on the Gun Box top of the line “Premier” version.

The one thing I would suggest from what I’ve seen in the video is to alter the wristband and ring so that the company logo isn’t on it. I think I would prefer to have a small-as-possible profile on each so it’s discrete, and a potential bad guy wouldn’t be able to put two-and-two together by seeing the logo on the RFID device and the logo on The Gun Box.

The creator is an engineer by trade, and so he’s got the technical know-how to take this from concept to reality. In fact, the first production run is slated for December 2013.

If you’re interested in your own Gun Box, the cheapest version is currently $180, and pricing goes all the way up to $390 which includes the notifications and GPS tracking subscription service.

Here’s The Gun Box promo video:

Click through to the IndieGoGo page for more pictures and details.

www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-gun-box.





Chris Cheng

Chris Cheng is History Channel’s Top Shot Season 4 champion and author of “Shoot to Win,” a book for beginning shooters. A self-taught amateur turned pro through his Top Shot win, Cheng very much still considers himself an amateur who parachuted into this new career.

He is a professional marksman for Bass Pro Shops who shares his thoughts and experiences from the perspective of a newbie to the shooting community. He resides in San Francisco, CA and works in Silicon Valley.

www.TopShotChris.com.


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  • m

    Seems to me a finger print reader (a) can be hacked pretty easily, as demonstrated by a similar feature on the Iphone 5, and (b) would eat battery life if the power supply was discontinued. I like the RFID feature and the absence of a key lock (keys are a weak link on this type of device)–a version with only the RFID feature would be more appealing to me (and more energy efficient?). I see what they are made of, but would like to see how this material performs against someone trying to break in–it doesn’t matter how strong the case is if the latch isn’t able to withstand a screw driver or a hammer. The features on the high end model are pointless if the case can be smashed open. The Kensington lock is waste; the cables for those things are so thin as to be negligible protection against the case being carried off.

    • Kaj

      First off, the fingerprint scanner on the iPhone 5S was defeated, not hacked. And though it wasn’t very complicated I wouldn’t call it easy. The method used to defeat it was:
      1. Take a photo of the person’s fingerprint off of a glass surface
      2. Clean up the image using photoshop (optional)
      3. Print the fingerprint onto a sheet of transparency film using a laser printer with thick toner setting
      4. Spread a layer of latex (wood glue can work too, not as reliably though) onto printed sheet
      5. Peel latex (or glue) off of sheet without tearing it
      6. Wrap around finger and scan

      It also says in the article that the battery can last for days if disconnected.

      • dan citizen

        I’m pretty sure most thieves will follow a much simpler course of actions:

        if the box is bolted down it is obviously not an Iphone dock. No matter, they steal Iphone docks too.

        1. pry box off of surface if bolted down, (or steal furniture too)
        2. Take box home.
        3. Open it with prybars and power tools
        4. Rob liquor store with your gun

        • Shanksabunch

          Why is this blog turning into nothing but TROLLS. No offense but this guy has an idea and is trying to make something for the gun community, and all you guys can do is TROLL. I like the idea, it’s fast to open, discrete, and seems pretty durable. Now how durable? Who knows? That’s why he wants to raise some money to produce them and find out!

          And to the fools talking about breaking into it, how durable it is, Blah Blah Blah. Given enough time, I’m sure I could break into almost any gun safe in someone’s home. He never advertised protection from thieves. But it will keep kids and family members out. Also it lets you know (if you buy the expensive one) if someone is tampering with it.

          In the end this is a great leap in a family safe lock-box for a firearm. Is it perfect…I don’t know. But it is a leap in the right direction. I say…good for you sir, and thank you for bringing a new product to the firearm community to hopefully keep our families safe.

          • BryanS

            He’s trying to make something. Cool. Does the gun community need an overly complicated and priced box to store a weapon that would be better served in any other number of lock boxes? Questionable.

            You put it out there and ask for that community to fund the creation, then you open yourself to scrutiny.

            For myself… I’ll keep teh ones that need locked in a real safe, and the one that might be needed in a place that I dont have to call tech support to get to. Like a holster, or a gunvault.

          • Mark N.

            Exactly. You can buy a small safe with a key lock for $30. And all you have to do at night is insert the key before you go to bed. How is a $180 plus solution better? To answer that question requires determining how long to defeat. And if you can pop the lid with a screw driver, it won’t even keep your kids out of it.

      • Mark N.

        It also says in the comments by the designer that if all the nifty electronic aides like GPS are enabled the battery will die in a matter of hours.
        I’ve also read that other attempts at bio scanners have been unreliable fro various reasons. I still pass.

  • BillC

    Interesting idea. I too like how it doesn’t scream gun! All forms of locks, rfid, finger scanner, and lock can easily be defeated given time and opportunity so which lock is best or worst argument isn’t valid, especially if the gun safe is stolen. The safe camp is a good idea, but still bad because it can be stolen because it looks techy sitting next to my Mac.

  • gunslinger

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZm1lCX4jP4 – has some NSFW language in it. It’s a DefCon talk about defeating gun safes.

    The argument has been reliability vs security. show me a safet secure location, that can be opened very quickly every time. that’s the winner

    • BryanS

      His talks are a MUST if you have any thought in safes or locks. Great skills to learn too in defeating them.

  • hami

    It looks like one of those ipod speaker docks. Hilariously enough, i bet an intruder would target the safe thinking it was an expensive gadget. jokes aside it looks like a nice safe.

  • allannon

    Interesting, but given the notable weaknesses of RFID and fingerprint IDs, I’ll stick with a good key.

    RFID is a trivial breach, especially with a simple RFID token. It’s even easier with a targetted breach; RFID tokens can be read from dozens of meters away with off-the-shelf components and plans available on the internet. It’s for this reason we use RFID badges for low-security areas, and even then only as a primary token (you still need a viable access code).

    Fingerprints are marginally less trivial, but creating a mold is still something doable with household items and a couple readily available substances. There’s also the considerable issue of being picky; you’d be SOL if your fingers were raisiny from washing dished, for instance.

    As well, there’s the issue of power; it claims to last for days, which is great if the battery is new. And, also, consider extended power outage.

    A good, complex key is more robust (no power) and more secure (requires direct physical access to the “token”) than RFID. It’s also more robust than a fingerprint reader, which tend to be trivially bypassed given sufficient access to fingerprints (like, if you’re wondering around the victim’s house already).

    Granted, the techniques are not _currently_ well-known, but that’s just security through obscurity; if fingerprint readers become common items, or used to defend desireable items (like firearms), the techniques are not demanding.

  • Austen

    Most of you guys are missing the point entirely. It’s not meant to be a top-secret safe that no thief would ever be able to steal from Fort Knox. It’s meant to let a handgun be accessible yet keep it away from kids. It’s not a gun safe, but a lock box.

  • Drew Wood

    this is not a permanent secure facility. a criminal is much more likely to have a crowbar or sledgehammer on him/her than the technical know how to crack a small safe like this in just a few minutes. this is not about securing the weapon against a determined foe, this is about creating an easily accessible location that is still safe (no pun intended).

    i want to be able to access my pistol half awake, in the dark, and within a few seconds, but i do not want someone else to be able to do the same without my permission. this is also sleek enough and combined with a standard laptop kensington lock that means i can keep a lock cable in my house and in my car and securely stow the weapon anywhere.

  • BryanS

    So it can track its movement out the door, to where they leave it after hitting it with a $3 hammer and screwdriver combo?

    I can only see this as travel functionality… give me buttons or keys. And a pricepoint that makes sense.

  • Just plunked down $200 for my box. This looks like an outstanding solution. I like how it walks that difficult line between safety, accessability and not screaming “there is a gun in here!” I actually think the next step for something like this is to actually make it look like a bedside clock.Hell, it would cost maybe another 6 bucks in parts to integrate a digital clock into the thing.

  • jim

    I think most of you guy s are missing the point.

    Your 8 year old kid will not be hacking RFID or spoofing your finger and your average meth head burglar will not take the time to pick a lock.

    All safes are rate with a time to defeat. The are made to match the threat.

    The laptop cable is the weak point here. they are not very strong on the locking slot.

    • Mark N.

      And that’s the big question here. What is the time to defeat? The advertising doesn’t tell us.

  • Rick Burkemper

    IMHO, this is a great solution to the 3AM need-my-gun-NOW scenario. Is it the most secure gun safe in the world? Most certainly not. But it definitely fills a need for a lot of people, myself included.

    It really makes me chuckle, all the people out there that are worried about somebody stealing their fingerprint or hacking the RFID tag. If the criminals around you are that sophisticated then you’re screwed regardless. My advice would be to MOVE. And if you are worried about your kid(s) doing the same then you need to take a long, hard look at your parenting skills. Newsflash here, locks only keep honest people out. I’m only looking to keep the sticky fingers of my little one off of my .45, not completely thwart a super-criminal. And by the time my little one is old enough to do all of that techno-wizardry break-in jazz she’ll have her own firearm, a few safety classes under her belt, and copious range time, courtesy of her dear old Dad.

  • Studenta ot Sofia

    Very nice idea!
    P.S. Aircraft grade Aluminium Alloy?? CMON!!! 1000°C???? U sure? Name it!

  • the_duck

    I love the direction this is going…i keep my HD pistol in a fingerprint safe, but it’s ugly as sin but works when I need it. Doesn’t have the cool wi-fi, gps tracking doo dads, but it does the job i need it to do. Also, because it’s obvious what’s in there, I gotta keep it hidden from view.

    I also don’t like being an unofficial beta tester. Maybe in a few years and a few hundred reviews, I’d be willing to put my firearm in it.

    Everything coded by a human being is subject to human error, only time and lots of use will iron out the issues.

  • MartinJeffries

    Child proof like a prescription bottle?

  • Julio

    I like the RFID feature, not least because it avoids the need for a visible lock and allows the safe to appear to be another kind of device. As the photos suggest, as things stand it could readily be mistaken by a thief who lacks the luxuries of time or good lighting for a clock radio or Wi-Fi router, depending on where it is located. Most things can be broken open, but they need to be noticed first – more animals avoid predation by being camouflaged than by being armoured. In any household that reads books, this can be a perfect disguise in the same locations, especially if the volume illustrated is an obscure classic, burglars and receivers of stolen goods not generally being noted for their literary enthusiasm.

  • JT

    This looks like the kind of high tech safe that is impossible to break in the way they PLANNED it to be secure, but will likely pop open if you hit it the right way or drop it at a certain angle or have it right next to a baby monitor, cordless phone, watching an oprah winfrey movie…

  • JT

    Then again, at least this doesn’t scream GUN SAFE!