Breaking News: Remington 2020: Digital Scopes Go Mainstream

remington 2020 scope

Right out of left field, with no fanfare, no press releases, nothing, Remington has launched a website dedicated to their as yet unannounced Remington 2020 scope that has been developed in collaboration with Tracking Point.

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The Remington 2020 is similar, both in software and hardware, to the Tracking Point system, but one major different is that the Remington 2020 is not connected to the trigger. Instead of releasing/unlocking the trigger at the exact moment the shot should be taken, the Remington 2020 simply gives the shooter a visual alert to pull the trigger. While the Tracking Point system has a range of 1,200 yards, the Remington 2020 can only provide targeting assistance out to 500 yards (although it should be noted that the laser range finding functionality will work out to 750 yards). The scope has a 3-21x magnification.

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Along with environmental factors (Temperature, Barometric Pressure, Incline/Decline, Cant, Air Density, Magnus Effect Drift, Target Movement, Coriolis Effect Drift), the Remington 2020 factors in the specific rifle characteristics (Barrel Twist and Direction, Lock Time, Ignition Time and Barrel Time) and ammunition characteristics (Drop, Wind Drift, Spin Drift., Muzzle Velocity). While this should give accurate results, it does means that the scope is coupled to the specific rifle and ammunition combinations that Remington has developed 3D flight models for. At launch there will be three scope/rifle combinations available for purchase. There is one Bushmaster AR-15 chambered in .223, a short action Model 700 chambered in .308 Win. and a long action Model 700 chambered in .30-06. Each of these rifles is matched to two Remington loads and one Barnes load.

 

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Bushmaster Varminter .223 Remington

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Model 700™ SPS™ Tactical Short Action 308 Win.

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Model 700™ Long Range (LR) Long Action 30-06 Sprg

The Remington 2020 app has been in the Apple App store since 20 September. It connects to the sope over wifi and allows an iPad or iPhone to modify the scope settings, such the size of an acceptable kill zone, and to allow other people to see what the shooter is seeing.

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Remington 2020 App

 

The scope also features video recording (including sound), so hunters can record and share their kill shots. Expect animal rights activists to go ballistic when these videos start hitting YouTube.

Remington has always been willing to try something a cutting edge. Hunters laughed at Remington when they introduced the Remington Model 700 Etronx. Who, they asked, would want a rifle that required batteries to operated? If Remington had not abandoned the concept I believe every large hunting rifle manufacturer would be making at least one electronic firing rifle. I know Tracking Point is in the digital scope game for the long term, I just wonder if Remington is as well.

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  • YankeeZulu

    Get one before they’re illegal!

    • José Pulido

      Your money would be better spent on something like 22 AR-15s or 30 Remington 700s, quite frankly.

      A ballistic calculator/gps or ballistic calculator/rangefinder or even ballistic calculator/golf playing app on a phone will do everything this does, except it’s not going to be worthless past 750yards.

  • Gunhead

    The ballistic computer is a wifi-linked iPhone? Yeah, not gonna get any military/LE buyers with that big a security risk. None that know what they’re doing anyway.
    Android and a hardline is another story.

    • Joe Schmoe

      Why not? All the next generation military communication networks are based off of civilian 4G cell networks.

      EDIT: After re-reading your post, I see that your criticism is more of the iPhone than the WiFi.

    • solid

      because android is so secure with all it’s malware…laugh

      • solid

        *its

  • LCON

    So they finally decoupled the fancy works from the rifle and realized they could sell it on its own. Now lets see them add security too it and maybe we will have the next Gen sniper scope

  • LRB

    Not really surprised by this. Darren Schauble, CEO of Tracking Point, was the executive director for Remington Defense at one point. He is also a retired recon Marine officer. In regards to the scope it will prob be 2020 before one is legitimately accepted by hunters and shooters.

    • Joe Schmoe

      There are already scopes like MESLAS that are accepted.

      http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/meslas_scope-tfb.jpeg

      • LRB

        Well to clarify what I meant by legitimately accepted, it has come down in price, become smaller and the range will need to be extended. I think it is a cool concept and the xbox generation will dig its interface, the price point will probably be the mass acceptance killer.

  • Michael

    I am sure digital scopes are the way forward. If I can have a nigh vision app for a phone then I am sure they can have it for a scope. And make it for less than the top end scopes.
    Close up have a red dot, press button to go to 3 times magnification, press again to go to 10 times sniper scope, illuminated reticle, night vision. link back to base so commanders can see it all. And all for the price of an iphone. And they can play Angry birds between battles!!

  • dg13

    Does it have an output port…that could be hooked up to a firearm that has a trigger release mechanism?…if so, then any firearm could be made into a tracking point type

    • noob

      none of the rifles in the article have an electronic trigger. *YOU* are the trigger release mechanism when the tracking point tells you the firing solution is good, and the trackingpoint can attach to any 1913 rail.

      electronic triggers are a big no-no because you can hot wire them to be fully automatic (so the legend goes)

  • Yatz

    So similar to what Trijicon offers the military and more advanced than what Elcan offers.

  • Lance

    Bet it will be expensive and vulnerable to water and heat though.

  • Jacqueshacques

    Maybe I’m missing part of the concept entirely here, but couldn’t you just pull the trigger when the crosshairs are on the right spot, instead of pushing a button and waiting for the rifle to tell you to pull the trigger? It’s worked well for me in the past, and is significantly less expensive.

    • KC

      This is supposed to tell you where the right spot is. Ever shoot a rifle at an unknown distance, with unknown variables before? Even shooting with those known, or estimating the drop and wind-age can be hard to estimate. Especially if you’re hunting or in any situation you need your first shot to land on target.

      • Jacqueshacques

        I’ve done quite a bit of hunting at medium and long range, and granted, most of the time I have been using a laser rangefinder, and, further out, a wind meter, the data from which I feed into a ballistic calculator. I get the idea of a scope that does that legwork for you, instead of relying on you to click adjustments in. What I don’t get is the “tagging” aspect – When you (if I understand correctly) laser-designate a spot in the vital zone, and then wait for the scope to tell you to pull the trigger. If you have all of the information already, why fool around with this tagging business? Can’t you just move the crosshairs to represent POI under local conditions and pull the trigger when you’re on target? It seems like there’s a needless lag between the time you “tag”, which requires being on target in the first place, and then pulling the trigger. Is the “tagging” phase where you establish your data, and the onboard system calculates all the variables?

        • KC

          that’s how I understand it, I think you tag it, then it shows you where to “kentucky windage” aim it, or more importantly tells you where the aim is going to be given it’s movement. IE, tag a deer, and it tells you where to lead your shot to land the bullet in the kill zone.

  • Hunter57dor

    wifi? right, lemme just carry a wifi hotspot, with backup batteries in my pack, and fix THAT if it breaks….

    they couldn’t just use bluetooth?

    • Joe Schmoe

      It itself generates the WiFi signal, you don’t need a hotspot.

  • Daniel Alan

    how much is this thing

    • milo

      i expect with the money you’d pay for one of these you could get a better scope and some classes at the range. my uncle always said to me “technology will fail you, rely on your intuition and experiences.”

      • Mason 3

        you are correct, nothing will ever replace basic skill’s and practice, if you can not shoot plenty of people would be glad too help. And like I said $4000.00 will buy a lot of ammo. Ya think.

  • Corey

    What’s the point if it can’t read the wind?

  • SM

    Very cool scope system, but I’d like to see how well it holds up outside ideal conditions. I’m not talking about repeatedly dropping it on concrete, but what if it gets rained on? How well does it function in freezing temperatures?

  • dan citizen

    There is a never ending stream of people with money who fail to grasp one key factor in shooting…. No matter how much money you spend on googaws to stick all over your rifle it will not shoot the target for you.

    Without a steady hold, trigger technique, and follow through this is but a fancy toy. The same goes for changing wind or a target on the move,

    I have seen the same problem in hunting and combat, you get a poor fellow with $3000 worth of crap all over their range queen rifle and when the bullets start to fly or the elk is in front of them they are looking over the scope (or worse closing their eyes) and flinching as they jerk the trigger.

    Three words: LEARN TO SHOOT

    • Alex

      I’m an excellent shot with a pistol and carbine and I have very good command of fundamentals like trigger control, breath control, follow through, and sight picture. That said, I have very little precision rifle training. Although I am okay at figuring bullet drop, I am poor at estimating wind or lead and I am very slow at calculating those variables. An optic that could take the “long range” out of long range shooting would allow me to focus on the “shooting” and engage targets far outside my usual comfort zone.

    • noob

      heh. the ultimate googaw would look something like this TRAP T-360

      http://www.precisionremotes.com/ground-mount/

      and come with AI to recognize and engage your deer while you sleep peacefully back at your hunting lodge.

    • Jordan Bear Pollard

      THANK YOU. You said it perfectly. Everyone wants to be a Marine Cor sniper and put rounds on target at 2000 yards… I could not have said it better myself. If you can’t get within 200 yards of it, you have no business shooting at it, $10,000 rifle or no.

      • dan citizen

        noob, alex, jordan bear pollard, you guys are obviously thoughtful and skilled shootists who use your optics as tools to build on and enhance your skills, and none of my original rant is directed at folks like yourselves.

        on the other hand there are these folks:

        “being a long range sniper with my local shopping mall-based-secret-spec-ops-anti-terrorist-fast-response-CQB-tactical-entry-team I feel that at anything less than 4 miles it is best to just shoot the triggers off of the terrorist’s guns using our custom double barrel barrets. An MOA of .0001 is easily achieved with quick snap shots using an ACOG with offset mounted green laser and a picatinny mounted firestorm disco strobe”

        • Jordan Bear Pollard

          I think I just pissed myself a little.

  • iksnilol

    Does anybody make a ballistic computer with integrated rangefinder and wind-age reader? I mean if somebody did that you could have one device separate from the rifle that does most of the (calculating) work.

    • Jordan Bear Pollard

      Try a Barrett BORS, it has wind, humidity, temperature, barometric pressure, angle cosine, drop, the works. The only thing it doesn’t have is spindrift/ Coriolis. It has a bunch of different factory loads of long-range heavy-hitters like .300 Win Mag, .338 Lapua, .416 Barrett, etc. Programmed in.
      Of course, the BORS will run you about $4000. The NightForce, Leopold or Schmidt and Bender scopes that it will accept are about another $1,000-$2,000, and a reach-out-and-touch-em rifle, like a Barrett 98B, well, you’re likely in the neighbourhood of $5,000. So, get it all mounted with good rings, lined up, hooked up to your computer and calibrated to your specific caliber and load, go buy a supply of match grade ammo, and then go find a 1000+ yard range…
      Roughly twelve thousand dollars.
      Not that I’m trying to discourage you, but a rifle with an onboard ballistic suite will cost you a pretty penny.

      • iksnilol

        A quality scope and BORS = no problem

        Barret 98B = problem

        Cant I just build a 1000 meter rig for 1000-2000 USD? Thinking of accurazing a cheap/average price bolt action. Or just save up and buy a fancy semiauto.

        But does the BORS work on .308 and more importantly can you input your own loads?

        • Jordan Bear Pollard

          This is just my opinion, but under $1500, you could probably buy yourself a good bolt rifle like a Remington 700 .308 dealer package with a good optic. The Savage 110 is also an excellent rifle- a big, mean, long-range heavy hitter in .338 Lapua that retails for a shade under $2000. Both are excellent rifles.

          Get good, get familiar with your rifle and the way it behaves in all conditions. That kind of experience cannot be bought; it’s also a lot easier to carry.

          To answer your question, yes, it works with .308 and 50 other popular calibers, but no, I don’t believe handload data can be inputted.

          • Jordan Bear Pollard

            If you’re really set on putting rounds on steel at 1000 yards, get yourself a good rifle (as aforementioned) in a popular long-range caliber- .308 jumps most readily to mind. Experiment with match-grade ammo until you find something that works good with your individual rifle- remembering always to keep your rifle cleaned and oiled after every range session. Hornady and Sierra Match King would be a good starting point.
            Run off a balistics table from the manufacturers website- this will put you CLOSE- but there may be some minor discrepancies. This could be due to any number of factors. Record everything in a logbook, (a logbook is your best friend. You can keep data and formulas in it and really get a good idea what your bullet is doing way out there) and after a few sessions at the range, you’ll be able to cook up a ballistics table for your individual rifle. This will put you on steel. Be patient, don’t put too many rounds through your rifle per session (this will put you on the path to a nasty flinch).

          • iksnilol

            I read up on BORS and it seems like you can upload your own data, thinking about either .308 or 6.5×55. Though I wont be buying anything for some years.

          • Jordan Bear Pollard

            Hmmf. They must have updated it since the last time I had a look.

            If I can offer some insight, 6.5 Swede is the WAY TO GO. I just don’t have the time or energy to list all the good things I have to say about the cartridge- it’s fantastic, you won’t be disappointed.

          • iksnilol

            I know its amazing, I am a big fan of too, so is a good part of the Norwegian shooting population. Though it is hard to get outside of Scandinavia.

  • Sparkysit

    Waiting for compairison to BORS.

  • Jordan Bear Pollard

    Too bulky for me. I would never be taken seriously at deer camp ever again if I showed up with ten pounds of scope on my rifle. Just tacky, God-awful and would throw the whole balance of your rifle way off.
    My capabilities are 300 yards, tops. I accept the fact that I am not a Marine sniper- besides, a real hunter can get in close. It’s not like he’s going to return fire

  • ddearborn

    Hmmm

    Call me crazy but isn’t the real need for such a scope beyond 400 yards? In my day we trained to shoot out to 400 yards without optics. Today I won’t consider shooting without a scope, but then I am old. The real value is in the longer ranges 400-900 yards or so with say a 308. A capability which this scope conspicuously does not have. My relatively inexpensive optics make shooting out to 400+ yards on a calm day fairly easy. Given its sure to be high price, obvious bulk and weight and short range I just don’t see the point. Though it does appear that speed would be a selling point.

  • DigitalFOV

    That is a lot on top of a rifle. Have a look at this small and light weight attachment from a new player called Digital Crosshairs. It attaches to your scope without any tools and adds IR night vision with an LCD display. http://www.digitalcrosshairs.net

  • Mason 3

    Buy a Remington 700 in some .30 cal., buy a decent 10x scope, a book, on marksmanship, the army, or marine sniper t.m. come too mind. Get out to the range and practice your basic rifleman skills. You have a 19″ kill zone on a deer, or anything else you may encounter if things become worse. I used a M-40 system in two conflicts, never failed. And what if your power fails? I would rather be out there with a good piece of glass, and imagine how much ammo you can buy for $4000.00 if you can find it. I’m not real smart, like I said two conflicts, but it does not make a lot of sense to me.

  • mike fint

    I like the idea, I think it would be a great piece to anybody’s hunting gear but, you could get a Bors system and a Nightforce and put on any gun you want. Why buy something that is only available for 3 calibers, and the Nightforce/Bors combo is still cheaper.