Peru FN SCAR Rifle Controversy

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Earlier this year we reported that the Peruvian military had decided to adopt the FN SCAR-H. Only the SCAR-H was able to read the final round of the competition. MKE dropped out because they were not willing to guarantee a 20,000 shot lifespan, LWRC’s rifle failed the beach and sand test and H&K’s entry failed the mud test. The SCAR-H passed all these tests but in video footage obtained by Peruvian website Elcomercio.pe, it appears to fail the final test. You can see the test in the video below …

In the test the rifle was unscientifically dropped 2.5 meters (8.2 feet) onto concrete seven times. I assume this is the same rifle had already been subjected to all the previous torture tests. Given that it appears no rifle entered into the competition was able to complete all the tests, I think it is safe to say that the tests were at fault rather than the rifles.

We would all like an accurate and light rifle that required no maintenance, could be used as a hammer, thrown off buildings and submerged in mud and still continue to function with sub-MOA accuracy. Instead we make compromises because a modern full/semi-automatic rifle built like a tank with loose tolerances would not be a pleasant rifle to carry nor would it be accurate. Peru will probably be mounting expensive optics on their new rifles that anyway would fail all or most of the tests.

What do you TFBers think? Are modern rifles all junk? Should we be using the AKM or a Lee Enfield? Or is Peru looking for a magical unicorn rifle that does not exist?

 


Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Andrew Tuohy

    Yes, we should all be using the Lee-Enfield.

    • Nathaniel

      That’s absurd. Everyone knows the Winchester-Lee is the superior design.

      • Big Daddy

        I say Brown Bess, that’s the way for any nation to go. And without a bayonet, they are too cruel to use in war. What is the official sarcasm font?

        • Mahler

          My E-Tool never ran out of ammo…

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Nah M1 Garand

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      Don’t you train people to use carbines? You won’t have any customers if they all start using Enfields ;)

      • Nicks87

        Wow, really?
        I guess pretty much anybody can be a firearms instructor nowdays.
        Yay, internet!!!!!

        • Scorpy

          Well, there is always the Rifle No. 5 Mk I “Jungle carbine”. Might be a
          bitch to shoot compared to an AK or an M4, but it’s a Lee-Enfield! Or
          there’s the earlier cavalry carbine it seems, with a “mere” 21″ barrel.

          Just go with a Mosin-Nagant based carbine. ;)

    • Nicholas Mew

      Nah, Mausers.

      • Michael

        Nein to Mausers

    • Michael

      Yes to Enfields, especially the No5 and the L42, still a sniper rifle to be reckoned with.
      Lets drop the 5.56 and bring back a mans round, the 303 British, Lets have a modern rifle chambered in 303,
      While we are at it lets have a gun in 455 webley

  • Steven W. Wilgus

    that level of abuse will kill every rifle ever made – even the beloved or hated AK-47. It is a BAD test regimen that will fail all contenders. Peru needs to be realistic. Very much a paradigm shift is necessary in their “process”…no one will try even as to build such a wonder would make the $$ astronomically high.

    • tomaso

      actually i think all test should be made till their is failure…then judge them all on particulars that count…like drop all from 2 feet in 10 different positions the same at 4′ then 6′ then 8′ till theirs a failure that stops the weapon from functioning. thats a test that has data to find the right weapon. its expensive to do right…and at least 10 examples of each rifle is needed. Id even go as far as saying that the weapons be acquired with out the companies knowing why, this way its a better idea of the production quality. Every weapon has a failure point..its better to know where it is then set up a “stopping point” before it fails.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=571895132 John Browning

    well to be honest i don’t see much of a problem with using a nice lee enfield. for one thing it’d eliminate spray and pray… which would go a long way towards stopping blue on blue.

    but yeah, probably dodgy tests.

  • Nicholas Chen

    I love my SCAR 17S. Perhaps Peru should train their operatives to NOT drop their weapons. Or maybe train with a sling.

    • Esh325

      Bad things can happen under conditions such as combat. To see if a rifle survives being dropped is a perfectly valid test, whether this particular test was too extreme, I don’t know.

  • Paweł K. Malicki

    Some AKs for them.

    • Allah Snackbar

      Or Vepr in 308. Built to same standards as production AKs. Problem solved. :)

      • Otis

        They should use the Galil ACE 53 like Columbia does, it has the proper .308 penetration for trees/dense foliage and can stand up to anything. AK style, theres nothing like it.

  • Eugene

    Nothing wrong with them setting their tests to whatever standards they want, just because a standard is difficult to achieve doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t try to reach it..

    But that being said, the test standards they’ve set is pretty unrealistic and unnecessary brutal, in my unqualified opinion being the caveat.

  • Andy

    Change the magazine if it was faulty and i think that would still be operational, a crack in the grip and a damaged mag doesn’t mean the weapon is no good. the thing would still fire!

  • Nicholas Mew

    Bone Simple TKB-517.

  • Joe Schmoe

    Definitely unrealistic tests.

    I’ve seen M-16’s and M-4’s horribly – and creatively – abused by conscripts and still hold up. For that drop test, I’ve seen a conscript throw their rifle several meter unto concrete and bang the damn thing non-stop (rage, happens); damn thing still was fine save for a few scratches and chipped plastic.

    I find it hard to believe that no modern weapon was able to endure the abuse of these tests.

    • dp

      This is probably due to two things: tight relation of breech and UR where both support each other and by the fact that both UR and LR are forged. I am impressed in any case though.

    • Suburban

      Trying to better the M-16/M4 platform, puts you into the realm of diminishing returns. Yes, there are more ergonomic rifles, but they are more expensive. There are more rugged rifles, but they are heavier. There are more accurate and more reliable rifles, but they are probably both heavier and more expensive.

      • Robert Kaschner

        Wait, there are more ergonomic rifles? Where? I most know of these!
        Unless you’re referring to bullpups, in which case you’d just be wrong.

        • Suburban

          Robinson XCR and Bushmaster ACR have ambi safety, bolt catch, and bolt handles as standard equipment – ergonomic features.

          Calm down.

  • LCON

    Even in the days of muzzle loading muskets you had blue on blue, or in the case of Confederate general “stonewall” Jackson grey on grey. Peru set there standards as they feel. Perhaps a bit high. But they were looking real world. I am wondering did they even look at 5.56 or was it all 7.62.

  • FormerSFMedic

    The “test” proves nothing. This can’t even be considered a test. If you can’t repeat the “test” and control the environment then you really have nothing. They also only used 1 rifle as far as I can tell which means even if they did an actual test they would still have nothing. The “data” they got from this is almost useless.

    As far as using modern rifles? Well, I guess if you want to give up the advantage to the enemy you could go back to an AK of Lee Enfield but neither of those weapons would have passed this “test” either.

  • MacK

    Whats funny is that they even posed as to be conducting tests. They already knew what rifle they were going to choose and what politicians hands were greased to secure that deal. At least in the US our elected swarmy swine try to hide it, in South America its just a fact of life.

    That being said, I think it speaks highly to the quality of the SCAR (these “tests”) and why a lot of folks pine for it (myself included)

  • LJK

    I’d almost be willing to bet money that there’s going to be an announcement in a few weeks that Peru has decided to go with a local manufacturer to produce [insert updatet rifle clone here] because all other “competitors” failed this test. And I say “competitors” because the Peruvian weapons manufacturer (whatever it might be) was already selected prior to any tests and this whole thing was just for show to satisty some local military contract competition laws. They essentially bring out more and more ridiculous tests and act surprised when the foreign competitors eventually and inevitably fail.

    Sounds a bit tinfoily but it’s nothing unheard of.

    • AldanFerrox

      This is maybe not too far from the truth. The state-owned company SIMA Electronica makes the FAD Assault Rifle (of Modern Warfare 3 fame), which is a bullpup in 5,56x45mm. I wouldn’t be suprised if Peru selects this rifle instead of the SCAR or the HK416. This is like Mexico, who opted to buy the locally made FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (which is at least partly a copy of the G36) instead of the G36 offered by H&K.

      • dp

        I sincerely believe that with few exceptions such as Brazil, Argentina or Chile nobody in Latin America can produce anything meaningful in sense or assault rifle and/or derived weapon of their own conception. Case in point: Mexico. FX05 = G36 in spite of official stand by HK experts on this issue. It’s just a thin line between term “strongly inspired” and “copied” which permits this forgery to happen. This is not to say that Mexico was not or is not capable of their own designs (such as Mendoza SMG, Mondragon rifle or Obregon pistol), but xiuh-coatl is just a way how to smarten up on one industrial European country. Why they do not do it to U.S.A? Because they do not have guts. Europeans will not sent in Marines, that’s about it.
        Yes, you can name nations (or better countries of much the same kind) who make guns under licence and that requires some consistency and industrial discipline. I am afraid however that Peru does not belong to that group.

  • Colby

    The next test was going to be the “shoot it with another rifle” test and they were going to act all shocked that the FN wasn’t bullet proof too. Glad it stopped where it did or we’d be debating whether combat arms should be able to withstand direct bullet strikes.

    • Colby

      Not that am a particular FN SCAR fan, since I have never even held one and an AR is fine for my uses. I’m sure that test could have cracked the lower receiver on an AR just as easily.

    • Anonymoose

      What, you don’t want a bulletproof rifle?

  • dp

    This is not test, but pure idiocy. What this industrially subsistent place called Peru is good at? I do not know a single product they would make part of hand make folklore Inca folkloric kitsch. Even old AK is high technology for them.
    Besides, their military is like a collection house of nearly all existing assault rifle type in the world. Something is truly rotten there.

    • NB

      Hey that’s not fair. If you’re big enough to beat on Ecuador you must be doing something right

      • dp

        What is NOT fair is to purposely destroy a rifle the way they show in video and call it “test”. I am repeating: what they can do so well that they implement on product of INDUSTRIAL nation such criteria?? This is embarrassing by any standard.

    • Tony

      Fish oatmeal for farming & fish farming, assorted minerals (Gold, Silver, cooper, iron, etc. usually raw), finished textile goods (Usually cotton-made for mayor international brands), cement, fresh (Avocados, asparagus, olives, assorted fruits) & industrialized (Canned, bottled & packed goods including liquor, seafood, etc.) agricultural products, oil-related products and tourism services among others. Current free trade agreements with the USA, some Asian countries like Korea, and Europe along with an increasing trade with other S.A. countries, mainly Colombia and Chile.

      • dp

        Sounds good Tony and I appreciate you remind me. That means no real anything close to what we are used to call hi-tech. (I bet the mining is in foreign hands.)
        The circumstances of life in that country are pretty pitiful, I know that from a person who happily emigrated from there. Widespread corruption is the way of life.
        Oh yes, I have seen one ‘brilliant’ idea of rifle from there; it was incredibly odd. Besides, they have some guy who has made living of copies and ‘upgrades’ (basically tinkering) with FAL rifles they once used. That’s for that.
        That’s ok and I would not blame anyone for not being on top rung of the knowhow, but what I would expect is RESPECT which they are obviously lacking. What makes me to say this is those poor FN reps being chastised for testers misdeeds. One tries to explain something and the older ones better keep mouth shut. They look like hostages to me. Yuck!

  • gunslinger

    next text, direct strike from a nuclear device. hope it doesn’t melt.

    now, yes, it’s ok to set the standards, but make them realistic. how often will a rifle be given the sand, mud, water “test” then dropped over 8 ft onto concrete 7 times w/o going to the armorer?

    I want to believe that most, if not all, battle rifles are up to the challenge. and i also believe that they will all fail under certain situations. but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use them.

  • TCBA_Joe

    NATO drop (the most stringent of any standardized drop tests) is 4″ onto unntreated concrete in 6 different orientations. That test is pretty brutal. 8.2′ is unreasonable and does not follow any established standards. To me that signals they WANTED it to fail.

    • Patrick Mingle

      Why would they want it to fail? Unless they realized half way through the trials that they couldn’t afford to adopt a new rifle and to avoid embarrassment made every rifle fail

      • Big Daddy

        They want them all to fail so they can say to all the companies, how much kick back money. Now that they all failed it is totally dependent on how much money “I” can make off this deal. That’s typical corruption.

      • TCBA_Joe

        Could be money, could be they wanted to disqualify something not made there. It could be they plan to test the different weapons and then rip off the design and have it made in-house.

        As long as the test is purposefully designed to have the weapon fail I can’t imagine it was a legitimate test. I bet the other tests were flawed horribly as well.

      • Michael Pham

        There is no country (perhaps precluding ones so desperate that all arms are acceptable) where weapons procurement is not corrupt, or at least determined by a multitude of extraneous competing interests that have nothing to do with the quality of the firearm.

    • DiverEngrSL17K

      I think you meant 4′ ( feet ), not 4″ ( inches ).

    • johnny

      NATO? Since when is that a standard worth living up to?

    • Joshua Noble

      I think you’re right. A quick search for “Peruvian corruption” brought up a May ’13 Economist article stating that 4 of the 5 Peruvian presidential candidates were at least suspected of pretty serious graft, and the other one may or may not have socialist/terrorist ties. Common sense dictates that a South American military body is at least as morally suspect as its president. They would have failed a spring steel machete.

  • Ben Franklin

    some parts of the test seem a little fer fetched as seen with the AK’s you can get rock solid durability but your gonna pay for it in the accuracy department the SCAR’s a great rifle expensive but in this case you get what you pay for if they want a rifle / hammer combo then they should buy surplus AK’s

  • J

    Perhaps Peru’s tests are a reflection that if they can’t get something substantially better than what is in service now, why make an expensive change?

  • sakitla

    The look on the FN reps are priceless

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      Does anyone know what he is saying?

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      They looked angry to me. I would be to.

  • sakitla

    Faces

  • Geoff H.

    pretty sure a mosin nagant would not have faired much better. That seemed pretty rough. I like how the FN reps had to stand there while some general complained about their rifle.

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      I also like the camera man, who was probably military, zooms in on their faces … was that really necessary, its not like they were hoping to enter the film into the oscars for best documentary.

  • dan citizen

    “magical unicorn rifle” is my new favorite term.

    If you want a lightweight rifle great, but don’t expect it to be as durable as a garand, and while you’re at it, lightweight means less weight so don’t make a 7 1/2 pound plastic and aluminum range toy then festoon it with another 4 pounds of assorted crap that the soldier will not actually use when in a real firefight and pitch a hissy-fit when your fragile and finicky squirrel gun breaks if dropped.

    Why not the G3?

  • Big Daddy

    I just don’t think these guys know what they are doing. They had some board of generals and politicians make up some useless tests looking for a magic gun. Any modern standard battle rifle is more than good for the average solider and off hand I can think of 5-6 rifles to arm a military with. Most new designs are modular and can come in different configurations and calibers. What do these tests prove? That every modern gun will not stand up to standards not even WWII vintage guns would.
    Plus it doesn’t look very scientific at all. You need a robotic type machine to drop the weapon so that each drop is exactly the same. Humans cannot do that. Some times he drops it, some times he throws it.
    Plus those three guys at end……LMAO….were they trying to make it look like the three monkeys? See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil or something like that. Too funny!!!!
    It made me think about John Wayne breaking what looks like a M16 in half at the end of the “Green Berets” movie. Of course it was obviously a Mattel toy version.

    • TCBA_Joe

      You don’t need to be robotic to be consistant. There are ways to make a drop consistant that any 3rd world country can do. Randomly dropping/throwing it off a wall isn’t though.
      I also seriously doubt that that drop regimne would be gentle to WWII vintgage guns.

      • Big Daddy

        For a 31.5 million dollar military purchase yes you have to be that consistent. You are making a decision that has too many possible consequences not to make sure you get it right. The US DOD goes beyond anything one could imagine and beyond any other country in ensuring they buy the best they can. Yet they still get it wrong so much of the time. To not have a simple set up any college student at MIT could build in a few hours with some junk to accurately do the dropping is inexcusable and typical of third world nations. I said that WWII vintage guns would not survive also.

  • Studenta ot Sofia

    I read in the 90’s about test between AK47/74 and M16 conducted in Russia/USSR … the drop test was (as far as I remember) 4 meters on concrete!

    • Big Daddy

      I wonder if that was with the magazine (loaded or unloaded condition) or without. That would make a big difference.

  • Lance

    Think some general rigged it and wanted FN to win to replace thee G3s. Overall the H&K 416, 417 is just as reliable and accurate used in test in Europe. SO Being from a third world nation im not surprised.

  • Tony

    Peruvian here. This is what I’ve heard from people related to this matter: Officers that wrote negative feedbacks about these rifles have been removed & replaced by others who wrote new reviews; apparently there’s a HUGE bribe scam behind this that involves high-ranking military officers and politicians.
    Test rifles were deployed to local jungle combat theater against drug dealers/maoist terrorists; chopper (Mi-8?) carrying troops was shot down while unloading troops and none of the SCARs (Apparently 6 or so) survived the crash; Galils were heavily damaged too but kept firing and were used by wounded survivors to repeal the ambush.
    Some people tried without success to upgrade currently available weapons, mainly FALs with modern hardware; apparently they were seen as a menace to many interests.

    Unless deployed to specialized units, average Peruvian soldier could break an AK (I’ve seen them do it) in no time.

    Currently our armed forces are equipped with the following MBRs: refurbished N. Korean AKMs (Cops; little remaining ammo for them; among armed forces runs the rumor that it’s a crime against humanity to use 7.62x39mm.), HK G-3s (Cops; bought in the early ’80s; stored after the AKs arrived in the late ’80s but now redeployed and used with Chinese-made 7.62NATO ammo issued by the Army), AK-47s (Air Force), 5.56 Galils (Army, Navy and maybe Air Force too), FALs (Both FN and Argentinian-made; Army, Air Force and Navy) and a hodgepodge of assorted guns that include various M-16/AR style rifles (Usually cops fighting in the jungle theater), Daewoos (Navy) and 5.56 HKs (91? 93?; used by cops & Navy).

    Holded a SCAR some time ago. Wouldn’t use it as a doorstop, less as a weapon in the terrible climate, geographical and logistical nightmare our poor troops have to endure.

    • Big Daddy

      Good to hear from someone who lives in that country. I feel for you to have to endure a situation that is not necessary. I do question the use of polymers in a jungle environment. It seems the best deal would be to just buy Canadian M4/M16s and be done with it. They offer enough variations to outfit any Army. Or maybe a Tavor, even the ACE (similar to the Galil) that can be made into any caliber. I’m surprised that they break AKs. I think the weakness of the AK is the stamped receiver and unprotected gas tube. Also the long unsupported magazine sticking out is another thing I can see to being problematic for untrained conscripts. The first thing a soldier must learn is to take care of their weapons, it may be the only thing that saves your life.

      • connal

        I vote Tavor too. IDF recruits routinely broke Galils and the Tavor is considered more durable, probably the toughest rifle available.

    • Thomas Acton

      Daewoo K2… best design going (since 1983) half M16, half AK … dead on accuracy. imho.

    • dp

      Insider’s view is dully respected. Now, Tony tell me: if not FN product, what else would fit needs of your country’s military? Russian AK-107? Perhaps, but it may as well not. I would make opposite suggestion: instead of trying to wreck your dear gun, teach sons of camposinos to treat rifle as a tool of their very survival. Do you think it is doable? It’s basic of instincts man.
      I served in military and if I was caught destroying my rifle, I’d be paying for it.

  • sadlerbw

    Hey, I took a hacksaw and started rubbing it back and forth over my barrel and it got scratched!?!?! What gives, I thought this rifle was supposed to be tough?

    • Big Daddy

      Did you barrel get stiffer?

  • Jilu Khan Spandiary

    FN’s representatives faces are priceless.
    Like a child who made a boom boom. LOL

  • Mike F Di

    unrealistic testing.. no crunchie abuses something that’ll keep him living like that

  • lwrclover

    I just dont see the LWRC Failing the Beach and Sand Test, as I have seen some pretty hardcore sand and beach tests done on them before with zero issues firing 10- 30round magazines back to back.

  • Shawn Gray

    Then we must assume that the Peruvian military falls down mountains alot.

  • Esh325

    I don’t really know enough about the subject whether or not this was a valid test.

  • Tony

    Why the search for the “magic rifle”?

    War with Chile, 1879-1883; used a more expensive Belgian-made (Poorly manufactured) copy of the French Chassepot with awful results in battle; “last stand” was made with those along with Winchester ’60s & ’66s, Peabody-Martinis, Remington Rolling Blocks, Prussian muzzleloaders, etc. against an enemy with a standardized armament (Comblains for soldiers, Winchester ’66s for cavalry) and the logistical nightmare cost us years of occupation, lots of dead and a huge chung of territory. After that, Mausers and its variants (1891s, 1909s, VZ32s & FN1935s) dominated for 60 years with their almost indestructible reputation. Later replaced (briefly) with M1 Garands and then FALs, used for other 50 years ’till (Partly) replaced by Galils.

    That’s why local mith (Along with huge military “contracts”) makes both military & politicians look for another “old world” everlasting MBR made with plastics and capable of mounting even a DVD player.

    What you see in the video is the classic outspoken local clash between those who want to have a gun as strong & reliable as the ones they intend to replace (Usually those who will end up using it in combat) and those who want to buy the product at any cost and no matter what, probably for personal profit.

    As long as I know (From reliable sources), there’s no local written protocol for small weapons tests, and most military officers won’t even understand English, the universal weapon technical language; probably they saw the night before some random “tests” performed in YouTube by Bubba to his Glock and copied the procedures.

    We have 3 coarse main combat environments here: Desert/sea, mountains & jungle; recruits are according to ex-military friends poorly if ever trained (And supplied) to maintain their weapons (For instance, rifles are seldom zeroed) and usually mechanized transport is unavailable, so wear to guns is extremely high, even though most will be seldom, if ever, fired with poor quality ammunition (The kind you won’t even buy as dime-a-dozen surplus)

    I’d give them all the best 7.62x39mm AKs for the money and any 5.56NATO AR platform to specialized units.

  • Rodger Young

    Chuck Taylor tells a great story about this sort of thing in relation to the Israeli search for a new rifle. The director of procurement was telling him all of the rifles that had failed, and, at one point, Chuck thought, ‘Now wait a minute, those are all good guns, WTF?”

    A couple days later he’s at a sidewalk cafe when a IDF M113 pulls up and before the ramp drops the soldiers start tossing their gear out the troop hatch onto the sidewalk, rucksacks, helmets, LBE, radios, then….rifles.

  • Tony

    Oh, and for those wondering what and how Peru is, try picturing Mexico (That’s a cartoonish Latin American reference for even the biggest “travel impaired” would get the picture) but with better (And less fattening) food and a little (And I mean A LITTLE) less corruption.

    As some stated, training would be the solution, but that’s a utopia. Our school levels are a tad better than Haiti’s and usually troops come from the base of the social pyramid. Not a few officers see the Army as a chance to make some “extra” money, so they, with their pre-WWII mentality usually could care less about what they teach to the soldiers.

    Only relatively reliable local weapons manufacture was the MGP-79 & 84 9mm. SMGs and semiauto “handguns” line at the local SIMA (Navy Industrial Services) military works; those are still used by the police to guard some installations (Usually foreign embassies or so) but are usually now in pretty poor and wore down conditions. They also made so-so single-shot & pump shotguns back in the ’80s to supply the peasants so they can defend themselves against the Shining Path terrorists (That would make Al Qaeda look like girl scouts selling cookies).
    Before that, all small weapons efforts I can recall is the rebarreling of a batch of ZB-30s to 7.62NATO around 1985 and the upgrade of Mauser 1891 rifles (Basically new Sig barrels & Spitzer bullet sights)….back in 1912!

    …I’d still vote for an AK, but decision makers who usually haven’t ever even hold a firearm will always have the last word (And the biggest bank account abroad).

  • http://www.scribd.com/twobirdsflyingpub Twobirdsflying

    Buckwheat’s theory on accuracy in combat rifles:

    Accuracy has a price and it generally comes at the expense of reliability. We make rifles more accurate by tightening tolerances. We make rifles less reliable the same way. So, we strike a compromise. Having shot at someone that has shot back, Buckwheat likes reliability above accuracy.He knows that when he and his buddies move against an enemy position to flank that objective they can’t hold 1 MOA of accuracy even if the rifle was able to deliver it. So reliability trumps.
    Buckwheat doesn’t like heavy rifles ether but he recognizes that to maintain reliability a greater amount of metal may be required in the fabrication of that rifle. He also know that in tropical environments there are things that see polymers as an all you can eat Chinese buffet. So, taking all things into consideration Buckwheat would choose the AKM

  • Cuban Pete

    The Peruvian Army is made up mostly of semi-literate indian peasants. You need a peasant’s rifle for a peasant’s army. Stick with Kalash. Problem solved

  • guest

    This post and ensuing comments are so blindly pro-industry I’m actually glad the Peruvians have such “unscientific” tests in place. Seems they saved themselves from buying overpriced product unsuitable for the intended level of use and maintenance… guess more Galils are on the way.

  • anton

    What happened to the idea that heavy is reliable. You can always throw your gun at someone.

  • Matt

    Bring back FALs.

  • Steven

    In peru the armed forces dont use optics, and just think bout it, u’re at night in the jungle an ur weapon get crashed. btw when u make a request for new weapons to companies, u tell them what u wanna and how u want it, if the company cant find out something they just pass away

  • Tanner Drum

    I’m guessing someone was told to make the rifles fail, for whatever political reason. Even Peruvians must see the silliness in a rifle that was chosen by SOCOM (One of the finest military organizations in history…) being called unworthy by a 3rd world military. But, you do have a point, I’ll go cuddle my Lee Enfield and Garand, heh.

  • alanyates

    How stupid can you get and still claim to be “testing” the rifle? If some Peruvian moron, of who there seem to be quite a few, wants to drop his weapon like that then he deserves to be holding a useless weapon. Whatever the national drink, or drug, is down there the “testers” seem to have been heavily into it. THEY need to be using flintlocks in keeping with their level of training/intelligence.

  • John W.

    a modern full/semi-automatic rifle built like a tank with loose tolerance? sounds like an AK to me.

  • Alex

    Everyone knows the tan ones are better… lol

  • Stove

    Peruvian military are morons.

  • Mike

    You could probably issue a modern AK(dot scope, rail, collapsible stock) for half the money of the FN. The AK will probably edge out the FN in reliability in that harsh enviroment, but not by much. If a country is cash strapped, what better platform than the AK. Steel mags can be had (used) for probably nothing overseas. Extra parts availability is infinite and cheap. The AK will probably recoil a little less. Labor is cheap in Peru. Why not invest in a factory to build/service AKs in Peru and give people jobs. As if life for the average Peruvian ain’t hard enough, let’s try not to piss away any more money than necessary.

  • Man pippy

    Eh not that unscientific a guy standing on a truck dropping his rifle is approx 2 meters high.