FrogLube CLP and Solvent

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I used to be a Hoppe’s No. 9 guy, and I’ve tried other CLP (cleaner, lubricant, preservative) products and they work fine. But I’m always in search of products that make my life easier. Over the past few months, FrogLube has kept my guns clean and well functioning. So now, I’m a FrogLube guy.

Developed in 2009 by former Navy SEAL Captain Larry Lasky, FrogLube was born from a variant product used to lubricate large industrial machinery. Larry’s buddy was in that industry, and this buddy was also a gun guy who used the industrial grade form of the product on his guns. They started kicking around the idea that the formula could be optimized for use with firearms.

The variant product was designed to be slopped on and left on the surface — think heavy industry with machine chains and parts. However, Capt Lasky changed the formula so that FrogLube would permeate metal more effectively and hence reduce the need to leave gobs of the product on the weapon (we know what can happen when guns have a lot of gunk on them).

In 2012, over 500,000 FrogLube units were produced to give away to the U.S. military and the product is widely available in stores throughout the U.S.

From left to right: FrogLube solvent, paste, and liquid. Available in different sizes.

From left to right: FrogLube solvent, paste, and liquid. Available in different sizes.

So enough of the background, and on to the product! The solvent breaks down grime really well, and cleans heavy metal fouling like copper and lead. FrogLube CLP is applied in either paste or liquid form. One part of the process that took me a little getting used to is busting out a hair dryer to apply heat to the gun parts to melt the FrogLube. But after a few times, I got used to the new routine. After the melted FrogLube has been scrubbed in and left for 5-10 minutes, you simply wipe everything down and you’re done. Heat is FrogLube’s friend, so it’s an added benefit that the heat activates its lubricating properties.

One really notable feature of FrogLube is that it is 100% bio-degradable and non-toxic. The FrogLube distributor I spoke to demonstrated this to me by taking a huge chunk of paste and jamming it into his teeth. Quite the demo, I must say. But Captain Larry and his team aren’t tree-hugging hippies, he likes to promote FrogLube’s non-toxic formula because he’s seen so many veterans come home with ALS, cancer, and other ailments — so he wanted to do something good to protect soldiers from unnecessary risk. In his words, he’s just “trying to do the right thing” by his fellow solider.

Over the past few months, I’ve applied FrogLube to my pistols, rifles, and shotguns and have experienced no malfunctions. FrogLube has made my life easier by making the gun cleaning process go faster. When I apply FrogLube and heat in subsequent applications for cleaning, you can see all the carbon and stuff just melt away. Lastly, I won’t miss Hoppe’s lingering toxic solvent smell, which in my house has been replaced by FrogLube’s safe, minty scent. If you’re interested in a new solvent and CLP solution, take a look at FrogLube.

www.FrogLube.com.

Chris Cheng is History Channel’s Top Shot Season 4 champion. A self-taught amateur turned pro through his Top Shot win, Cheng very much still considers himself an amateur who parachuted into this new career. He is a professional marksman for Bass Pro Shops who shares his thoughts and experiences from the perspective of a newbie to the shooting community. www.TopShotChris.com.

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Chris Cheng

Chris Cheng is History Channel’s Top Shot Season 4 champion and an NRA News Commentator. A self-taught amateur (and former Googler) turned pro through his Top Shot win, Cheng very much still considers himself an amateur who parachuted into this new career.

He is a professional marksman for Bass Pro Shops who shares his thoughts and experiences from the perspective of a newbie to the shooting community. www.TopShotChris.com.


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  • JaredN

    Buy a 55 gallon drum of industrial lube. Make up wild performance claims that violate the laws of physics. Trumpet background in a highspeed, low drag unit. Markup by 10000%. Profit!!

    Goodness, gracious. Oil permeates metal? This lube prevents ALS? You believe that !@%t? Seriously?

    • autodog

      The post doesn’t say anything about “preventing” ALS, just that the creator wanted to avoid using harmful chemicals in his product, but I have no idea if any military units actually use this stuff. And yes, having used Froglube myself for about 6 months now, it does permeate into the metal parts, but I use a heat gun to apply it; I don’t know if a hair dryer would get the parts hot enough to do the trick.

      That said, I don’t like that this post is more like an advertisement than a real review. He focused on the background for about half the post and only mentioned using the product in about one paragraph, which was just “no malfunctions.” No mention of torture tests or pros and cons (I think it works great personally, and it makes cleaning a breeze since fouling doesn’t seem to adhere to the lube, but it’s more expensive than regular solvent, and more inconvenient to apply). I was really hoping to see a torture test rather than what’s on the promotional material included in the product…

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        I’ve been using it for about a year or so. I really tried it because it was pretty new. I do like the stuff. I use a hairdryer but it gets very hot unlike some. I used it last night on a very dirty 1911. Applied the paste, heated and watched the crud break loose as the paste melted and turned to liquid. Just wipe off and re apply the liquid type.

        • autodog

          I would also add that it does wonders for .22LR; now the only part I hate about cleaning my .22′s is that they were designed by Ruger. This is the only stuff I use now, and I feel it really does make a noticeable difference in the action

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            It does that. I can feel the difference when cycling my 1911′s.

        • MattW

          The paste is a CLP product, not the solvent, which their website recommends using to break down fouling… So to me, applying the paste and then the liquid CLP isn’t adding any benefit. Do you use their solvent product?

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Only if it’s extremely dirty with dried up crud in smaller areas. I clean my guns after every use so the solvent usually isn’t needed. Now some guns I get for review haven’t been cleaned by the previous writer and can be pretty badly fouled.

          • MattW

            Ok, thanks for the info. So you do use both the paste and the liquid CLP for each cleaning?

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Yes sir sure do—- I’m one of those strange people who actually likes cleaning guns so a little extra elbow grease doesn’t bother me:-)

          • Dale

            Glad that I’m not alone there!

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Nope not at all:-)

          • MattW

            Thanks Phil

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            You bet!

      • JaredN

        Oil permeates steel? Steel isn’t a sponge; oil isn’t going to permeate it.

        • autodog

          I was incorrect in using the word “permeates,” some people claim that the metal has “pores” but this is also false. What the lubricant is actually doing is setting into the microscopic grooves and valleys in the metal. I’m not a materials engineer but this is the same principle at work when you apply thermal paste between a CPU and a heatsink. Heat allows those microscopic ridges to open up a bit (not visibly, but on a microscopic scale) and accept the paste.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Jared it’s not an oil in the traditional sense. What autodog said is correct. I have seen a picture of this taken under one of those super expensive microscopes.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        A torture test is somewhat unreasonable now with the scarcity and cost of ammo these days. We buy our own ammo. So, a torture test now would cost each writer approx. $700. Does that sound reasonable?

    • Dale

      JaredN, there are many ‘snake oils’ out there that don’t live up to their claims, but a handful are quite good; I wouldn’t say that Froglube is a bad product, but you’re right to watch out for bad marketing.

      I remember the days when soaking an AK gas piston in brake cleaning fluid, wiping it off and then toweling on some Mobil 1 oil was considered the right way to clean rifles… Seemed to get relatively the same effect!

      • JaredN

        Dale, it may very well be a good lubricant. How much more expensive is it than motor oil? Is it really worth X times more? What true performance benefits does it give? All I hear is hype with no proof to back it up.

        • Dale

          Ultimately I think that it comes down to personal choice; one thing that I did like about FrogLube as opposed to other CLPs was that you could put a bit of paste on a bolt carrier, reassemble the firearm, run the action a few times and then apply heat; you could lube things very efficiently this way and get enough lubricant into hard to reach places that you would otherwise have to do a complete dissassembly to reach.

          In hot climates FrogLube kicked butt; the stuff really smoothed up the action, no matter how much or how little you used. In cold weather, however, if you used too much, the action would feel thick and greasy until the gun warmed up-then if functioned fine. I know for a fact that motor oil will eventually get grime filled and start to “gum up the works” of any firearm, but FrogLube didn’t seem to have this problem.

          I used it extensively on my AK, and it functioned very smoothly, even when I abused it a good deal. On my 1911, I could feel a noticeable difference in the metal-on-metal contact in terms of smoothness, and the gun seemed to run cleaner with less carbon buildup. It was also easier to clean.

          Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great product, but I moved away from it because it didn’t give me “true performance benefits” to match the money that I was paying for it. That said, those 4oz bottles and tubs last ages.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Yea it really does but you do have to heat it for it to penetrate.

      • JaredN

        Really? Would you care to provide some proof that oil can penetrate steel? I might buy the argument that if you heat the steel the oil will adhere to the surface of the steel. But penetrate?

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          I suggest that proof go the other way. If you have it I’ll read it in an objective manner.

        • Chucky

          Steel, and particularly the grade typically used in firearms do not have a glass smooth surface. They’re actually pretty rough if seen through a microscope and even porous to a degree. It will not soak lubricants through and through as what the wording will have you believe (though technically, using “permeate” can pertain to its ability to spread itself thoroughly along the surface of the material and through the rest of the other components), but the surface will and that’s where everything counts. With a material which requires heat to liquefy and apply on your gun, it reverts back into a more viscous semi-solid state while inside the steel surface so it will have a sort of self lubricating mechanism as it is used.

        • allannon

          Ever used cast iron cookware? Yes, the greases and oils from cooking permeate it; it gets better as it gets older.

          Similarly, many metal paints are designed to penetrate into and bond with the substrate; that’s what makes them tough.

          Also, the fact that some lubes perform better under thermal load is nothing new; why do you think when it’s really cold you’re supposed to let your auto warm up? It’s much the same for any lubricant. Our generator at work has heaters specifically intended to keep it’s high-heat lubricants hot enough to work, instead of thickening up and making us wait for the lube to be heated by the engine heat.

          I’m not saying that FrogLube’s worth a crap (I don’t know if it is or not), but the chemical claims are reasonable.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=788820334 Xavier Ramos Santoni

      Yep it does, ask anyone who actually went to college.

      • JaredN

        Lubricants adhere to the surface of steel. They do not penetrate within the steel. If you soak a block of steel in a vat of oil, remove it, wipe off the surface, and cut through the steel, you won’t find oil inside it.

        • Marc

          My bullshit meter is also off the charts whenever I read claims of metal being penetrated by lubricants. That simply does not happen.

          • n0truscotsman

            Youre all nitpicking. It certainly “permeates” rather than penetrates from a metallurgical standpoint, but i think all of you know what he meant. Youre just taking advantage to ad hominem it up

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      If you look at the image of steel taken with a scanning electron microscope you’ll see the stamping made in the steel. Look at the top lateral line of the stamping. See the tiny lines extending down from the surface of the steel. Those extend down from the irregularities seen on the surface of the steel sample..Plenty of room there for Frog Lube, Militec etc. Both can use heat to facilitate increased absorption rates in these tiny channels.
      While I don’t have the exact magnification suffice it to say you won’t see it with the naked eye.
      Click for a larger photo.

  • Ben

    I know that the firearm blog is now a business, but I hate these advertisements masquerading as regular posts.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=788820334 Xavier Ramos Santoni

      Bro trust me is that good!!

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      I am the editor. Nothing has changed editorially since I first founded the blog years ago. And if it had, I would be the person to blame.

      This is not an advertisement. The writers report to me, I report to my boss. My boss handles the advertising. I don’t know who the advertisers are (other than for the ads I see when I browse the site like everyone else). There is a clear separation between the business and editorial and this works well for all involved.

      Chris was not paid by Frog Lube to write this. He is just enthusiastic about a product.

      • http://www.TopShotChris.com/ Chris Cheng (TFB Staff Writer)

        To confirm, I was not paid anything by FrogLube and FrogLube did not ask me to write about them. I first heard about FrogLube at a convention where they were giving out free samples to everyone at their booth, like any other vendor at a convention.

        Integrity and honesty are two values that are core to my character, and they are not just words to me. Words must be backed up by action — my comment is my action to reiterate that I was not paid nor influenced by FrogLube in any way.

        I found the background story interesting and thought TFB readers might be interested to read about it. At the end of the day, I like to know about the people and values behind a product, which I believe many other people like to know about too.

        I do appreciate the constructive criticism and will definitely do my best to integrate it into my future posts.

        Sincerely,
        Chris

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HTK3C2IU37OCA2ECLXFDUB2ROQ Yellow Devil

    I have a friend who swears by this stuff. He says this is all he uses on his firearms now. I may have to look into this.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It does work as advertised. Like I posted above using the paste and heat it removes the crud easily. It does well on my AR15 and pistols. It’s pretty slick and doesn’t get hard in the cold and stays put where you apply it. All I use now is the paste to clean and the liquid to lube. I bought mine online but there are places that sell it over the counter.

      • http://twitter.com/Ian_TWL Ian Garris

        I’d think using the liquid to clean and the paste to lubricate would be better – the liquid’s easier to work with, and the paste would be a more stable lubricant.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          I’ve tried it both ways and the method I use works better for me.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      It has a mint odor as well so the wife or significant other will appreciate it :-)

  • Limonata

    This is not an article, this is an ad for a product with most of it copy and pasted from the vendor website. This is equivalent to some celeberity endorsement on TV for reverse mortgages. If the intent of this was to have me try the product, it has done the exact opposite. You should at least be honest and say this is an advertisement and mark it as such. I hate fake articles like this.

    • JaredN

      Yup. Personally I use whatever bottle of synthetic motor oil I have laying around. Not because I think it is some super-duper gun oil, but because a quart costs just a few bucks and is likely to last me for decades. Think about the environment of a gun slide. There isn’t a huge amount of pressure between the slide rails and the frame. There isn’t a high temperature. It just isn’t a challenging lubrication environment. If someone performed a torture test comparing multiple guns in different environmental conditions with different products, and the results were statistically different, then I might be impressed.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Well sir I’ve tried to answer the questions or comments that have been made so I hope that’s helped you out a bit.

    • Steve (TFB Editor)

      See my reply to ben above.

      Chris is a celeb, he is enthusiastic about the product, but you are incorrect t suggest this is a paid ad. It is not. Neither Chris, myself (the editor) or the owners of TFB were paid to write an article about Frog Lube.

      We have a policy of not taking money for posts. If companies want to pay to promote a product their ONLY avenue is to take out paid advertising (banner ads) on the blog. We don’t do any paid promotion on our Facebook page or twitter feed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=767053319 James Patrick

    How does it shorten cleaning time if you have to heat up each part? My fouling comes off fine with both Hopes and Breakfree CLP.

    • JaredN

      I take off most of the fouling with a rag, before I ever put on any cleaner. I use Mpro-7 as a cleaner, because it is non-toxic and doesn’t have an odor.

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Question: do you use motor oil and MPro for cleaning?

        • JaredN

          As I wrote above, I use Mpro7 for cleaning. I use motor oil for lubrication after I’ve cleaned it.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            Ah the first one said motor oil for and then MPro for cleaning. Just trying to figure which is used for what.

    • autodog

      I find that having a previous application makes cleaning faster, but re-applying it takes a lot longer than just using CLP. Like I said in another post, the fouling just does not seem to stick to the parts like it normally does, so it can really help if your gun has any “problem” areas. I wouldn’t tout it as a net decrease in time spent, unless you don’t re-apply it, which I have heard will work, but I re-apply anyway

    • MattW

      I also use Hoppes and Breakfree, but I know that I sometimes have to apply more than one round of Hoppes to clear really stubborn fouling. If this product would clean the same amount of fouling in one application – even with heating – I would be interested in trying it.

    • n0truscotsman

      You dont have to heat and apply after every cleaning. I did it once on one of my glocks and its still beading water and moisture

  • Asdf

    Actually, I tried the stuff, and I am rather impressed. It does lube well and reduces the effort of cleaning a weapon. And my guns smell like wintergreen now :D

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I bet the Wintergreen is why the company owner uses it as lip balm:-)

      • Henry

        I met the developer of BreakFree in the mid 80s. It does fill in the microscopic pits in metal. I have seen the pics. BreakFree CLP was used by the Canadian armed forces (and Norway + Germany way before the US got it a s a mil spec) by the 45 drums for everything from the High Power to 105. My friend was an armourer at Longue Point doing Clay ¨Pigeon some time ago about it and my Beretta 390 Gold. At 25,024 fired rounds, it only had 20 FTF and most were steel WInchester hunting loads that were not tapered. My Beretta 391 Optima Gold has NEVER been cleaned since 2003. It go a full BreakFree CLP treatment when I got it. It gets a few drops in the action, slide bar and pressure relief spring. If it is going to be wet or snowing, I coat the barrel. It will shoot 2 1/2 Dram training loads and eject them in the same spot a 3 inch Max Steel loads. It works at -40C or F (they are the same at that temp) and at over 100F with sand blowing. It makes cleaning my M4s a sinch and I have never experienced a FTF with it. It is also an easier method to clean blackpowder guns once treated with BreakFree CLP. It will not affect the powder once it has dried. BreakFree will dry after a few days but leave a slippery to the touch feel.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Thank you for that Henry! Very informative.

        • Chrome Dragon

          I’ve gone and spoiled myself – Break Free CLP has flat out replaced WD-40 for me. It was my first gun oil, based on some random blogger’s surprisingly scientific testing*; it and Eezox were head, shoulders, *and belly* above everything else on the market for preventing corrosion (and it’s humid here). Eezox is twice as expensive, so I went with Break Free.

          *(This test predated the invention of Frog Lube. I have no idea how it stacks up relative to my favorites.)

          Which I ran out of last week, so I bought some Eezox as an experiment. Smells awful, and when they say “well ventilated”, they *mean* it – the stuff (is / includes) a volatile, low molecular weight, and non-viscous organic compound of some type, but it reminds me more of gasoline than anything I’d usually call “oil”. Like gasoline, breathing the fumes is unhealthy and has immediate, unpleasant, (hopefully minor and temporary) symptoms (but more so than gasoline). I’d use a fume hood or an industrial fan if it’s available. I may just put up with Break Free’s oily film unless Eezox is just that much better. Break Free’s pretty good at getting encrusted carbon crud off, so I’m probably going to stick with it for cleaning.

          If I still have a working hair dryer, maybe I’ll grab a little Frog stuff while I’m still experimenting. :)

  • Ben

    Even some of these comments sound like more people of the company pushing this stuff. I would be interested to see if TFB got paid for this.

    • MattW

      So, just because people are saying positive things about the product means that they are paid company reps? Do you also believe that every negative review is from a paid rep of their competition?

      • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

        Thank you Matt!

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That would be an official and resounding NO we never get paid, compensated whatever for any work we do by any company or individual for any reason. There are no exceptions.

    • n0truscotsman

      I bet if he would have hated it, you wouldnt have seen conspiracy. The cynicism of some people…

  • junyo

    “The FrogLube distributor I spoke to demonstrated this to me by taking a huge chunk of paste and jamming it into his teeth. Quite the demo, I must say.”

    Not saying it is toxic, but that demo doesn’t really prove anything other than the fact that it’s not immediately toxic in whatever dose he jammed into his teeth. 5 years from now that guy could have a boob grow out of his forehead.

    • CrankyFool

      junyo, promoting this item just because it *MAY* cause a boob to grow out of your head is dishonest and duplicitous. If you can show me that a boob will grow out of my head as a result of using FrogLube I’ll be the stuff by the gallon. Until then, let’s keep the discussion to what can be proven today.

      ( :) )

  • Ben

    Last comment from me. I would assume the TFB is “reviewing” this product for free. If they were paid a fee or received a gift they would need to disclose that information in accordance with FTC regulations.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I’ve never heard about any regulations to that effect but then we don’t need to be concerned with that since we receive nothing for a review. Yes it’s reviewed for free—always.

  • Dale

    I used Froglube for around 6 months while shooting on average twice a week; The stuff gets the job done, but I’ve since changed to another product that works even better. While Froglube works well and is non-toxic, it wasn’t substantially better than a Hoppes/motor oil cleaning/lubrication, or a SLIP 2000 treatment, and I didn’t justify the return with the price. In the end, CLP is CLP, and everyone has their own opinions.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      I have used Slip 2000 and Slip EWL before and it’s a good product as well. I’ve also used the their spray cleaner. Hey if you haven’t tried the spray cleaner you should it works very well. I just tried Frog Lube and liked it a bit better.

      • n0truscotsman

        I havent tried the spray, but the liquid does a helluva good job at eating cosmoline! Especially with mosins and siminovs. It made my mosins bolt locking step immensely more smooth (where cosmoline always cakes, making the bolt sluggishto close.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          That’s good to know. If anyone else has ever tried to clean an old military gun that’s caked with cosmoline—well it can drive you up the wall trying to get rid of it.

  • DonniePD

    It does work good but I’m not a fan of adding another step with a blow drier.

  • unclezip

    I started using this about a year ago on my Colt Commander. I have yet to use it on the other guns. I find it works great on the Colt; cleans up well, no oily residue, and smells OK to use in the house.

  • Pene

    I agree with others, comments below. This is a disappointment. Just come out a do it as an ad. I’ve seen this stuff pushed on several other forums, with phony follow up comments. A little is ok, but these guys have been campaigning all over the internet this way for more than a year or two. The author has lost credibility with me… just another talking-face, with the words put in his mouth. Will we get an answer whether TFB got paid, or not?

    “Even some of
    these comments sound like more people of the company pushing this stuff. I
    would be interested to see if TFB got paid for this.”

    “I would assume
    the TFB is “reviewing” this product for free. If they were paid a fee
    or received a gift they would need to disclose that information in accordance
    with FTC regulations.”

    “This is not an
    article, this is an ad for a product with most of it copy and pasted from the
    vendor website. This is equivalent to some celebrity endorsement on TV for
    reverse mortgages. If the intent of this was to have me try the product, it has
    done the exact opposite. You should at least be honest and say this is an advertisement
    and mark it as such. I hate fake articles like this.”

    “I know that the
    firearm blog is now a business, but I hate these advertisements masquerading as
    regular posts.”

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Pene I’ve already posted an official response to these questions but I’ll give you the long version. We get nothing by way of compensation for any review. None of the writers are told or instructed to say anything positive negative or otherwise. Each writer has their own opinion which is what you get. It’s always been that way and always will.

      My reply to comments are genuine and mine alone. If I buy a product and find it useful I say so. If it has flaws I say so. All firearm reviews use a considerable amount of ammo which comes out of my pocket as it does with the other writers.

      As far as cut and paste is concerned that is an insult to Chris and TFB. It’s not an ad nor is it cut and paste. Honestly and integrity is a principal we live by.That goes for all of us at TFB.

      Saying that Chris has lost credibility based on one post? As I mentioned earlier I would appreciate you giving Chris a break. This is still a fairly new endeavor and he’s doing a good job. As with anything new we all learn and progress as we gain experience.

      The intent of this article as well as all the others is to give the reader information that hopefully they find helpful and or enjoyable. If you buy the product or not isn’t even considered when writing a review.

      • Pene

        Hi Steve (TFB Moderator). When I first posted in this thread with quotes from other posters asking if TFB got paid for this article, you had not yet answered their question. Thank you for responding; it was reassuring. Shills have been rampant on other forums and angering readers with their aggressiveness. Chris’ article appeared to me to be over the top with blurbs like, “500,000 FrogLube units were produced to give away to the U.S. military.” Cigarettes where given away to the military at one time; should we all smoke? Several of Chris’ articles sound like glossy handouts from the manufacture… this one just rubbed me raw. Next time, provide more facts, like the product costs $31 for 8 oz. Now I’ll shut-up and wish your blog grows better and better.

        • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

          Well Pene you started out good then went into the same type of criticism as before.

          First of all 500,000 Frog Lube products sent to the US Military is not a blurb but a statement of fact.

          What has cigarettes got to do with this? Don’t answer it was rhetorical.

          Next time we’ll provide the facts we deem relevant and appropriate.

          You addressed this to me but it sounded like your talking to Steve so I just took the initiative to reply.

          As far as wishing the blog grows–thank you for that. Now, lets drop the subject since all the questions have been answered multiple times.

          • Pene

            Phil, a “blurb” is noun… “a brief advertisement or announcement, especially a laudatory one”.

            What I am saying is while giving away stuff could be a nice to do, the giving itself doesn’t mean the product is good; giving away cigarettes is not good.
            Phil, why are you so judgmental… “Well Pene you started out good then went into the same type of criticism as before.” Your readers are trying to help you and Chris, who as you say, is new. Can’t you take our comments as suggested improvements? The blurb “sounded” phony and your readers
            responded. Help Chris write like you did before the “new format”… we responded positively to that writing.

          • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

            As I said we’ve covered this much more than we should have already. Lets just stick with the product itself.

    • http://www.TopShotChris.com/ Chris Cheng (TFB Staff Writer)

      Hi Pene- I replied above and want to reiterate what Phil said below, and directly tell you that I was not paid nor influenced by FrogLube in any way. My full reply is above if you are interested.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ken.zargari Ken Zargari

    wow the internet is full of haters… I actually am glad you wrote this as im going to give it a try. Was it an ad? IDK kind of so what. what if he was reviewing an HK P30? wouldnt that sort of be an ad?

    • Dale

      Everyone hates until they try it or don’t have a choice but to use it; I used to DESPISE Glocks; despise being the key word because I just didn’t like them with a passion. I had shot them, I didn’t like the blockiness of them, I didn’t enjoy the ergonomics or their stupid little u-shaped rear sight, or the fact that the trigger felt like your index finger had just fallen through a trampoline every time you depressed it. I also didn’t like that they had a little army of fanboy minions who seemed to pester me at the range about the fact that I was shooting a 1911, and that it would malfunction and give me tons of problems that only a Glock would fix (I’ve never had a problem with a lubricated 1911, and if it is built right a 1911 can be a tack driver and a reliable/durable piece in one package)… Then one day I was at the range and my friend handed my his carry piece (Glock 19) to try and, without thinking, I started putting rounds downrange… through one ragged hole through center mass at 7 yards. His Glock had night sights and a worn in trigger… I loved it and shot it well!

      The point that I’m trying to make is that you shouldn’t knock it until you try it and make your own judgements if you’re in a situation to do so. Gun lube is the equivalent to lipgloss for girls I guess… It’s all fundamentally there to do the same job, but people have preferences and they tend to brand associate.

  • http://twitter.com/BigPops Andy Mullinex

    After reading all kinds of good reviews on the stuff, I decided to go out and give it an honest to goodness try. I have the paste and the liquid and I have been using it almost exclusively for some time. To be honest it’s just OK. I mean, it’s not some miracle lube that never wears off. I DO like that it’s non-toxic but for a lube with staying power, I am not wowed by it. As a cleaner, I still feel like I can do more good with good ol’ Hoppes #9. Just my opinion but I have been testing it for a good solid 9 months now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/akmarksman William Hawbold

    Thought on how it compares to Aero Kroil?

    Where I am at in Alaska,Kroil gets up to $30 a can. Granted I could just buy Kroil in bulk from Brownells,but I wanted to try it first before pulling the trigger on such a large purchase. I live between 2 small towns. I bought the Aero Kroil at NAPA. I’ll look into other places that might carry it (1 town used to be a hub for oilfield services..I’ll have better luck there)

    I have never used a CLP,just solvent and then gun oil or grease on my guns.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      That I can’t tell you. Sorry but I’ve never used that product. Maybe another reader has some experience with it.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      William I did do some checking on Kroll and found out it also penetrates the surface of metal through “micro fissures” as they call it.

  • Criticalthinkingiscritical

    From a style point of view I’d recommend to Chris that he not include so much anecdotal background information; everything from “Developed in 2009″ through “available in stores throughout the U.S.” should probably have been left out. One sentence mentioning that it’s supposed to permeate the metal would have sufficed and sounded less like an advertisement.

    When writing a review don’t copy the gun magazine formula of gushing, including lots of company history, and other crap. Instead describe the product, your experience with it, and your opinion. If you really really like the product and do gush about it a bit perhaps mention that you aren’t receiving compensation nor free product for the add.

    The other stuff just sounds like filler. If you want to include it feel free but maybe placed at the end in a section titled “from the manufacturers literature” or something similar.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Geez I don’t think we need to tell everyone we don’t receive compensation. Others have beaten that question to death today. We already credit any material we use from a company as being a company statement, policy, general information etc.
      The other opinions and views are appreciated.

  • RickH

    If I was in the field, then narrowing down to one product to clean and lube makes sense: less containers to pack & carry. However, with a product (an expensive one) that does both, you use up twice as much of the product. First you clean. Well, I’m not leaving all that grunge loaded cleaner/lube on my firearm, so I have to wipe it off. Now I’m ready to lube. If you are going to wipe it all off after cleaning, wouldn’t it make more sense to use a MUCH cheaper cleaning solvent, then lube with whatever floats your boat? My 2 cents.

  • Drebin

    I’ve used it for about 10 months and it does work a bit better than Hoppes or anything else i’ve tried. The pleasant smell and bio degradability is a plus too. I don’t think heating is required after the first application if you do it right. The lube goes along way so price isnt a huge issue to me for a product that works, especially for my defensive guns. I’ve recommended it to a few people and they have all loved it too. Alot of people still haven’t even heard of it though, so while this article isn’t the most interesting read, it is informative to those people.

  • Jim

    I live in S Fla, between the rain,humidity,and sweating while carrying concealed maintaining my firearms was a real chore, constantly needing attention, oils and lubricants just didn’t last long enough. So while at a local gun show once I picked up some of this Frog Lube, The stuff works great for me, I followed the directions for application ie heating the parts and leaving on so it could penetrate, since using it I no longer have any issues, my weapons function great and no more issuse with moisture and or rust, I even apply it to the inside of my leather holster, This is great stuff glad I decided to try it.

    Jim

  • tommy2rs

    Minty fresh guns? What’s next, Summers Eve gun flush? I like my guns smelling like guns not feminine hygiene products. Yeah I’m old and I remember ads with guys bathing in DDT to prove how safe it was. Look how that turned out.

  • Mike h.

    Frog Lube is a decent lubricant but after a friend sent me these videos, and replicating the tests first hand, I came to the conclusion that Fireclean does a better job protecting my AR15 components in a high wear & heat situation.

  • n0truscotsman

    Jeez people are acting like jerks. To the naysayers, just get a free sample and try it. I used to think it was a BS new wonder product then i actually tried it. Ive used a myriad of other CLPs like militech, sprinco, SLIP series, FP10, and TW25 and my favorite was still amsoil ATF. It also has technically less wear than anything (in terms of fhasur ball tests).

    Considering that a non toxic, biodegradable product is just as effective as anything else, that is a plus for me. In my experience, it helps with cleaning and draws carbon and brass to specific areas. It also makes my AR and AK bolt carriers smooth as glass. For 1911s? It is gold.

    Is it the endall? No. But to me it is well worth it. PWS has GunEase and theres SEAL1 that are also similar. I do like cleaning with the liquid and lubing with the paste. The paste doesnt migrate, it becomes liquid when heated (during firing), and becomes paste when the weapon cools. Good traits!

    Anyways, quit whining people. This is not a advertisement for gods sake. Show some respect.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Thanks for that comment sir!

  • cc19

    Shooters are generally so stubborn to try something else other than their own, “secret sauce,” of choice for their gun lubricant. Nonetheless, I appreciate the article and may try it out one day.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/ Phil W “Senior Writer TFB”

      Thank you for the comment. Many times we could all learn from others if we have an open mind.

  • Hunter57dor

    i used to be a hoppes no 9 guy myself, nothing i love more than the smell of that solvent.
    but i picked up some frog lube, have not gone back since. it just works so well, and the minty scent doesn’t drive my family up the wall while cleaning my firearms.

    it works wonders on barrels too, requires less passes to come out clean than any other thing i have tried.

  • Thomas Gomez

    Great article Chris! I need to

  • gunslinger

    humm..
    so let me get this straight.. people “in favor” of this post/product are paid by FrogLube?

    so by extension, all the haters are paid by Hoppe’s 9? yeah that’s it.

  • tango44

    New FrogLube changes smells after a few days, Why is this???

  • http://www.facebook.com/VaughanPederson Vaughan Pederson

    I must say I tried FrogLube and I like it. I doesn’t seem like it should work, it is very mild and it smells good. That being said I miss the “old” formula Hoppe’s #9. I like the way it smells. It smells like a relaxing evening cleaning guns after a wonderful day at the range.

  • Mouldy Squid

    Recently shot at a 3 gun competition where the temperature was hovering around -3C. There wer a couple of people who were suffering malfunctions of various sorts, but especially the actions not returning to battery. There seemed to be nothing physically wrong with their firearms, and all of them were cleaned before the match. Everyone was a bit mystified until some one asked what kind of lube they might be using. Everyone who was suffering malfunctions that day had used FrogLube.

    -3C isn’t especially cold, and if their FrogLube was gumming up the works, as it certainly seemed to be, I am not convinced of the claims of this product’s efficacy. I’ll stick with my Ballistol.

  • guncleaningsolvent.com

    I am a Hoppe’s No. 9 guy and Ive never used Froglube. Reading from the comments, i think I’ll just stay with the gun cleaning oil and solvent that I have.. Never had issues with my gun.

  • iphonetechtips

    I’ve used Froglube for about 6 months now & like the effects as far as lubrication & ease of cleaning. I’ve used it in my AR since new, now has 650+ rounds through it, I went through my last two range trips without cleaning just to see if it would function properly & had no issues through two trips of 200+ rounds each. The only part that is even remotely difficult to clean is the bolt tail & that only took about 2 minutes of scraping after 450 rounds.

    I bought the kit in the plastic tube that had the liquid, solvent mini spray bottle, GI-type brush & microfiber cloth. I got a tub of paste for the BCG as it seems to work best on the carrier & liquid works best for the barrel, chamber & small holes & cavities that only a liquid can easily reach. I’ve tried the solvent twice now & I honestly think its basically water because after applying it it just beads up & doesn’t do anything. Now I use the liquid as a CLP (as intended) to clean away carbon & fouling, brush & wipe the upper, brush & patch the barrel & chamber, then reapply paste & liquid as needed.