Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


  • MacK

    Look at AGP Arms takedown 10/22 I have two one rifle and one SBR… The SBR is designed for the stock as the barrel goes into the tube of the folding stock making one compact take/down that after the tax stamp is way more hassle free than Rugers not quite so awesome version.

    • bbmg

      That stock is more attractive and practical that the one in this post IMO.

      I quite the idea of a short silent tacticool 22 rifle. William DeLisle of suppressed 0.45 carbine fame had proposed a 22 rimfire machinegun for jungle warfare back in 1943: (last paragraph of page 31) though the concept does not seem to have won much backing, probably because of the marginal performance of the round.

  • Tyson Chandler

    Damn…I’ve already spent all of my money on Christmas gifts! I would shoot the hell out of that thing as an SBR. Yeah… I gotta get one of those someday, its awesome!

  • Mike Knox

    Looks like something out of a saturday serial cartoon..

  • moose

    This is actually from rimfirecentral forums, there was build pics and everything about 2-3 years ago. I’d contact someone over their, it’s probably a sticky in a thread.

  • Ian

    A 10/22 in its own right is a very ugly gun but this….this is a magical kind of ugly.

  • gunslinger

    I don’t see how a .22 can be a good “offensive” tactical weapon. compared a a 9mm or .45? or some of the other pdw rounds.

    i can see a .22 in a niche area due to how quite it is, and the possiblity of the covertness of it.

    but i can see how a .22 sbr, suppressed would be fun as all getout to shoot.

    • Bryan S.

      Because it sucks to get shot with any gun, especially lots of little pellets coming at you from almost nowhere (suppressed).

      Some reason, we send 7 pellets down range with a 22 and its ineffective, but we do the same thing with a shotgun and its the next wonder of the world. Granted they hit very near to each other, hopefully, and within milliseconds of each other.

      (Yes, I understand that they are 2 very different beasts. Either sucks to get shot at with.)

    • bbmg

      As above, a 0.22″ smg is effectively a “buckshot hose”. An individual projectile might not be that impressive but if you’re throwing a lot of them downrange, quantity has a quality all its own…

      The MGV-176 (derived from the American 180 which had an even bigger magazine capacity) for example has a 161 round magazine and a rate of fire of 1400 or so rounds per minute. This means that a half second on the trigger puts 10 rounds downrange, and you can do this at least 16 times before you need to change the drum.

      Of course it would be useless against armor, though the effect of repeated hits on the same area would compromise the integrity of many vests, and steel cored rounds might also be an option.

    • bbmg


      Many pictures here including some of an incident where the American 180 was used to stop a car chase:

      Here’s a description of the incident from a book by Gary Jones:

      “Blaaaaaaaaaat!” I really hadn’t expected it, so this weird sound startled me when I first heard it. But, even though the sound surprised me, I recognized it immediately! “It” was the unique sound of the American 180 Machine Gun Mke carried. I really shouldn’t have been surprised, though. I mean, what the hell did I think Mike was going to do with the damn thing? This wasn’t “show and tell” at school and I knew he wasn’t gonna just let the bastards in the Camaro look at it. I knew damn well Mike intended to use it if things turned shitty, so the high-pitched metallic-like grinding sound shouldn’t have surprised me at all.

      I noticed the distinctive red dot of the laser beam a split second after Mike opened fire. It first appeared on the passenger’s side of the vehicle’s rear windshield. I watched in awe as the red dot slowly moved across the entire length of the back windshield towards the driver’s side of the vehicle. As it moved, it seemed to viciously slice away at the window itself and broken pieces of shattered glass flew off in all directions. It almost seemed as if someone had planted dozens of small explosive charges in the windshield itself and now these mini-charges were being detonated one at a time in very rapid succession. But, I knew it wasn’t the red dot that was systematically dissecting the windshield, piece by devastating piece. It was the awesome fusillade of .22 cal. rounds the American 180 was spitting out, at an almost incredible 29.6 rounds per second. I’ve never seen such total and absolute destruction from one single weapon. In a horrible and terrifying way, it was truly impressive!

      As Mike continued to maneuver the little red dot towards the driver I realized my own attempt to blow out the Camaro’s back windshield had failed. I had tried to aim my first shotgun blast right at the rear window, but when I witnessed the ultimate destructiveness of Mike’s American 180, I knew for sure I had missed the back windshield completely. It had still been there, or it was until Mike started taking it apart with the 180. I later learned the pellets from my first initial blast most likely impacted somewhere on the Camaro’s trunk. There were several different patterns there on the trunk and one even partially destroyed the vehicle’s trunk ornament. I was quite sure I could take credit for that particular prize! I’m sure the vehicle’s excessive backwards speed and my desperate need to jump out of the way were both contributing factors in my missing the rear windshield with that first shot. As I now prepared to fire a fourth and final round of OO Buck at the escaping vehicle and suspects, I still couldn’t help but marvel at the deadly precision of the American 180. Mike was like a skilled surgeon doing a very delicate procedure during an operation, and the American 180 was his scalpel! This time though, I wasn’t quite sure the patients would survive the operation!

  • West

    Damn, that is the most interesting new 10/22 design I’ve seen in years. It would be so kick-ass with selectable fire three-round burst.

  • Brandon

    If it wasn’t for the restrictive rules on SBR and suppressors, I think something like that would sell very well.

  • ThomasD

    Make those grips foldable/detacheable, and the stock likewise and you’ve got a perfect backpacking rifle.

    Actually, the more I think about it, the more I’d like it with just a straight rifle grip and fore end. I mean, it’s not like you are going to go house clearing with it, so who cares if you have to fly your elbow?