Extreme Sexism At Walmart: Woman Can’t Buy Big Guns


I am outraged at how a Hoosier woman was treated by a Walmart in Clarksville, IN. Prayse Dangler, who is married to a solider, was worried about protecting herself when her husband was out of town. She went to Walmart, with her husband, to buy a shotgun. From Prayse’s Facebook page

“Yesterday at Walmart I tried to buy a shotgun to keep at the house with me when Brad is gone. We live in the heart of downtown New Albany where there is a lot of foot traffic, and we believe that me having a reliable way to protect myself and our baby when Brad isn’t here is just a responsible thing to do. –

Here’s the kicker though. The man behind the counter looked at me in disbelief when I pointed out the beefy Mossberg 930 Tactical weapon that Brad had researched out for me and planned on taking me out shooting to get comfortable with. The man then proceeded to interrogate me about what I wanted it for and how it would be used. He said that I didn’t hold it right and that I needed “something else better suited to you”. He put it back in the case and firmly refused to sell it. – All because I am a petite young woman!

He threatened me with the FBI and accused me of purchasing the gun for “someone else” – namely my husband who was with me. My husband informed him that IF he was the one that would be primarily using the gun then he would have bought it himself but it was going to be mine to keep with us and practice with, so we wanted it in my name….

The manager was called at our recommendation and stood by passively as the man steamrolled across us and rattled off legalities and consequences. The man completely ignored my insistence that I have personally purchased and owned 2 pistols before and shot them as well as a couple of my husband’s guns – one being a beefy shotgun. (I’m a pretty good shot too!) The man refused to sell the gun to me and the passive manager escorted us out of the store.

My husband is furious that my rights as a woman to lawfully purchase a sturdy home defense weapon, were trampled by this sexist man simply because the gun looked like too much for me! And I’m horrified that this man made me out to be some criminal for wanting to purchase a gun myself simply because he thought my husband should be the one filling out the papers! After being judged in that way I didn’t feel comfortable purchasing ANYTHING from him and will be taking my business elsewhere.”

I AM OUTRAGED. The gun industry is much better than is used to be, but this remaining sexism needs to be stamped out. It is not doing the industry any good when alpha males refuse to serve woman who wish to own a gun. This is the 21st century. These cavemen need to crawl back under the rocks they came from.

I would like to know if the Clarksville Walmart refuses to sell pink guns to men, or if the sexism is only one way.

Please share this story on social media websites, blogs and forums. Prayse deserves apology from Walmart.



Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Chris

    I have had several negative experiences with Walmart over the years, each time a quick comment to corporate on their website is enough to handle the situation in a much more than satisfactory way. Walmart is very good about replying to comments that people leave them. I would bet that if she were to do so, she would hear back from a district manager within a day.

  • JohnB

    What a jerk.

    …though it’s hard for me to drum up sympathy for someone expecting good customer service at the gun counter at a Walmart. Do the industry, the country, and yourselves a favor and buy guns at a gun store. Support the little guy.

  • Mr. Fahrenheit

    Holy jeez. Friggin’ women will complain about anything like drama queens.

    “…interrogate me..”, “My husband is furious…”, “He threatened me with the FBI…”, “…steamrolled across us…”

    Shhhh. Relax. There’s plenty of places that will sell you a mediocre shotgun.

    Without knowing the whole story, I’m willing to give the clerk the benefit of the doubt that he was concerned about a straw purchase sale.

    Steve, channel your outrage into an act of social good. Give someone an unexpected smile. Open a door for someone that doesn’t plan on going through the door…just so you can chuckle about the misunderstanding. Hug a stranger.

    • I have a Cabelas refuse to sell me a gun on the most spurious reason. I don’t doubt her story at all.

      • Komrad

        I was denied .22 LR ammo at Gander a couple years ago because I was not yet 21, but I still managed to buy my 12 ga slugs. There’s all sorts of stupid shit that stores do, so I don’t doubt the story.

    • I am outraged because this attitude hurts this industry, everyone employed by the industry and ultimately all shooters.

      This is potentially one less shooter. We need all the support we can get.

      • JM

        Exactly: one less shooter.

        It’s amazing how the gun community will decry someone whose concealed handgun prints through their t-shirt…they will call them names and say that they’re not responsible enough to carry…and then will jump in line behind a woman because of her sob story that may not even be true.

        The real sexism here is the angry mob of men willing to stand up for a woman just because women are a minority gun-owner group. If a man whined like that, the comments would all be, “Suck it up, dude…that’s what you get for shopping at Wal-Mart.”

    • Jack Knoff

      You sir are an idiot. The only reason you have have 3 likes on your comment is that I accidentally clicked the like button and can’t undo it. She SHOULD be complaining. What gave him the authority to deny the sale based solely on the woman’s stature?

    • PEBKAC

      I’m sorry but anyone who was treated that way would be angry regardless of their sex, but the fact that the employee went and brought her sex into the equation only makes things worse as it was completely uncalled for. And then to use her sex as a basis for accusing her of attempting to make a straw purchase? Completely inappropriate and beyond unprofessional.

      Even if this situation was only half as bad as it sounds it’s still a new low in lack of tact, professionalism, and arrogant behavior. There simply isn’t an excuse.

    • Mr. Fahrenheit

      Wow. 52 thumbs down at 5:1.

      Was it my misogyny? My tepid defense of a Wal-Mart employee? My slight at Mossberg? It certainly can’t be my advice to Steve.

      I am shamed.

      • Chase

        I’m pretty sure all those thumbs down came from the sentence, “Friggin’ women will complain about anything like drama queens.” It sounds really mean.

      • Killian

        You sounded very sexist, and it pisses a lot of people off when you perpetuate the stereotype that gun owners are sexist pricks, and it makes the gun owners who aren’t look really stupid and guilty by association. I would assume discouraging such discriminatory statements is the objective of the Comment Policy.

  • TangledThorns

    I’m skeptical about this woman’s story. there is two sides to a story and then there is the truth. Gun sellers should be cautious about who they sell too. I wasn’t there but maybe there was something Prayse was doing that made Walmart employee react the way he did.

  • zack991

    Another reason to never buy anything from walmart gun related. The Mom and Pop Stores have better service, better selection, informed people behind the counter and most of the time better prices.

  • Scott

    Give morons a little bit of authority and enough knowledge to be dangerous, and they become a royal pain in the ass. Sounds like this clerk is on a bit of a misogyny-fueled power trip.

  • Gunned-up

    that’s freakin’ ridiculous. Honestly, sometimes you have to vote with your dollars. If I were ever treated that way at a store, they’d never see me or my money again. Go buy the gun, put some in the ten ring or get some video of you shooting like a boss…then go have a talk with jerkface and his boss, maybe show them all the other money you spent ELSEWHERE.

  • NI Shooter

    Walmart seem to have a history of this kind of thing, my friend was comparing models of 10/22 for his first rifle and was going to take a picture of one in the store, an employee came up to him and told him to immediately delete the photo for “copyright” reasons. Not only is this false, but it’s necessary to have clearly visible signs saying no photography.

    • Hellga

      Walmart doesn’t have signs ANYWHERE saying no photography, but you were lucky to only get told to delete it. I’ve been ejected forcefully from two separate Walmart stores for taking pictures of clothing I wanted to ask for as a gift >_< their "no photos" policy is just a way to keep the media from having printable pictures of how crappy their store looks inside and how much their employees don't care (I wouldn't either, the way they are treated!)

      • NI Shooter

        It didn’t happen to me personally haha, there aren’t any Walmart stores where I live but they own ASDA and their service is usually great

      • Chase

        Spy cameras for the win.

  • BenJamin

    This reminds me about the time I went looking for a backup gun at Sportsman Warehouse, the guy behind the gun counter was obviously a fan of the Glock pistol and insisted that I buy one. I personally didn’t want a Glock and wanted to look at something else, but he kept stonewalling me. After brief banter, the guy turned out to be some idiot who knew nothing about guns, and heard from someone that Glocks were undeniably the best weapons ever made and that it was standard issue with US Navy Seals and Rangers.
    Since then I’ve done all of my firearm related shopping at local business’s. Big box retailers such as Cabellas, Sportsman Warehouse and especially Wal*Mart will hire just about any warm body to stand behind the counter. So support your local firearm dealer.

  • Trev

    Can we get the store number so we can commence an email campaign for the employees dismissal?

    • bbmg

      You would put a person’s livelihood at risk because of a single one-sided third hand report you read online?

  • Mike

    My dad taught me that stuff you can get in big-box stores is usually crap. And they don’t sell guns in big-box stores over here. But if you need some specialized tools, be it a power drill, a saw or a shotgun, you’re better off finding a specialized store.
    That and I’ve already seen enough photos of the so-called “Wal-Martians”. Stupid service for stupid customers, I’d say.

    • W

      “Stupid service for stupid customers, I’d say.”

      exactly. reason number 554 why i dont shop at wal-mart.

    • Nadnerbus

      I did a bit of plumbing for a couple of years, and I found this to be true in that field for sure. If you bought a part at the plumbing supply house, it was solid, milled brass, hard chrome plated, and would last a lifetime. If you bought it from home depot, it was plastic with a thin chrome plating that broke if you threaded it on too hard.

      I hope this country gets over the “cheaper at all costs” mentality and goes back to quality first soon. I’d much rather pay a premium up front for something that will last and work well, than pay cheap for something that is just “good enough.”

      • bbmg

        I think those who want premium quality and are willing to pay more for it have that option, but there are lot of people for whom “good enough” is actually “good enough”, especially if its for an item they don’t especially care about – so why shouldn’t this also be available?

        I would rather buy a home depot plumbing part that is “good enough” if it meant I had a few extra dollars to spare toward buying a better quality gun.

      • Nadnerbus

        to bbmg, I guess its more a matter of false economy for me. I see so much stuff where, just a little more invested in quality would save so much aggravation and trouble that it would be worth it, but bottom liners don’t take into consideration costs that are external to their narrow area of responsibility. Sure, the guy that put on the plastic angle stop in their bathroom saved some money, and it was good enough for ten years. But when they called me to fix their toilet, it wouldn’t shut all the way off, or the handle snapped off, and I had to replace it again anyway and charge them more money. Or the plastic grocery bags that are so thin that they have to be doubled if one puts more than 4 pounds in them. All they have to do is break with one bottle of wine in them, and once the store replaces that lost product, all the fractions of a cent saved by making the bags thinner is wiped out.

        Just to it right the first time.

      • bbmg

        “Just to it right the first time.”

        Please tell me that was deliberate 🙂

        I’m with you 100% on false economies, staying with the plumbing part example I don’t want something cheap that will break after a week. On the other hand though, I don’t want to pay through the nose for a part that will still be operational when the sun implodes in 5 billion years.

        I’ve had the opportunity to look at late war production Panther and Tiger tanks, as well as Russian T-34s from the same era. The former are superbly built, while the latter are barely good enough. Not settling for good enough is what cost the perfectionist engineers the war.

  • wry762

    I had a similar experience at a big chain sporting goods store when I was buying a 10/22. I guess the employee didn’t want to do the paperwork, because he left me waiting at the counter for an hour while he ‘went into the back to get the rifle’. I still have a clear mental image of the guy going into the warehouse from the Indiana Jones movie and getting my 10/22 off of a shelf in the back. 🙂

    The worst part of the story isn’t the jackass employee, it’s the passive manager. Dude, get a clue. If he can’t handle a situation like this, how would he handle something like the registers coming up short or merchandise shrinkage?

    I am sure the couple have already been contacted by numerous local dealers who would be thrilled to sell them a 930. Nice choice, by the way.

  • W

    that sucks. the only criticism i have is: dont shop at walmart. deny those sons of bitches every cent and choke them dry.

  • Nadnerbus

    Someone should tell the petite and insanely talented Jessie Abbate that she is too small for her shotgun. They might have to pick shot out of their teeth afterwards though.

  • Norm

    “I AM OUTRAGED. The gun industry is much better than is used to be, ”

    No, this is Walmart. Used to work there, its a real shitty place. Why would you buy a gun there? Walmart goes out to make sure their products are lower quality just to save a few bucks. I wouldnt want that pipebomb in my hands.

    • JM

      It’s a Mossberg, dummy. The same shotgun you’d find anywhere else.

  • Andrew Racek

    Never buy from big business. It hurts the hell out of honest small businesses. Those guys don’t care about you, they want that dollar bill in your pocket more than provide you a good service.

    I personally try my best to always buy from privately owned stores.

    • JM

      I see way more “Local gun store clerks are idiots” threads on firearm forums than “Wal-Mart sucks” threads.

      More often than not, small gun stores don’t care about service, either. They don’t make money unless you’re buying. And they know that you’ll pay their price for a faster transaction rather than go to the gun show or to Wal-Mart and have to stand in line. I’ve noticed that many small gun store and shooting range employees have a superiority complex, and would rather get into a Glock-versus-Springfield debate than help you find a holster for your CZ75.

      The the door swings both ways.

      • Komrad

        All the more reason to shop at the few good ones. The newest small gun shop near me had friendly employee/owners and a willingness to find anything they didn’t have in stock. They will even match or try to match online prices. I know where I’m getting my guns.

        Knee jerk support of small businesses is dangerous. Wal*Mart is huge because they have a great business model and are extremely successful. Smaller shops are often small for a reason. Sometimes it’s because it’s a side job, other times it’s because they have horrible prices ad service.

      • HSR47

        It cuts both ways; Some gun stores are better than others.

        Personally, I’d rather go to my local gun store, where the owner actually cares about repeat business, and everyone behind the counter seems to shoot competitively when the alternative is to go to a big box store where I have to bug a manager to even get someone to show up at the counter, and where I’d need to fill out all kinds of extra BS forms in order to make a purchase, and where the employees barely seem to know which end the projectiles come out, much less knowing the difference between calibers.

        Sure there are plenty of clerks with biased opinions, but IMO it’s still better to have opinions and at least a modicum relevant knowledge about what they’re selling than to go to a store where the employee has absolutely no idea what the difference is between one gun and the next.

        It’s the same reason I go to Microcenter instead of Best Buy (or similar) when I need computer hardware and don’t want to wait for shipping.

  • Well, lesson learned.

    Walmart: good for buying bulk garden torch fuel, copy paper, tortilla chips, and being amused watching the Walmartians. Also they often stock Federal Automatch.

    Your local camera shop: better for buying cameras

    Your local bicycle shop: better for buying bicycles

    Your local gun store: better for buying guns

    Buying any specialty product from Walmart is an exercise in futility, and deprives specialist stores that know what they’re talking about of sales.

    • JM

      It’s simple…Wal-Mart has the best prices. Local gun stores can’t touch ’em.

      • HSR47

        I’ll gladly pay a slight premium to get my guns from a reputable local gunshop.

        There are two big reasons: First, Walmart requires all sorts of additional documentation and other such nonsense that isn’t required by law (which I don’t care to bother with, and don’t want floating around in the hands of a minimum wage employee), and Walmart doesn’t give a damn about what happens after the sale.

        My local gun stores require me to fill out only the 4473 and usually the PSP form too (PA requirement, at least for handguns). That, and they give a damn about keeping me as a customer, so they provide good customer service.

      • Katya Mullethov

        My wife rather unexpectedly announced that she wanted a Mare’s Leg for Christmas , so I looked and looked and WalMart was the only local outlet I could find listed , so I went to the local gunstore and asked about it . he’s in a 100 year old bank building with a showroom of only a couple hundred square feet and paid 50 bucks more .

        Well , it came factory equipped with BLUED milling machine swarf INSIDE the bolt and only cycled once . The gunsmith/owner/operator happily took it apart , cleaned it up and got it running for free . Actually , it cost me fifty bucks , but I had the gun back the next day and picked it up on the way home from work .

        Had this guy started in on me and my ol’ lady we would have laughed our asses off and left anyway .

      • W

        actually local gun stores can “touch them”.

        If walmart’s prices were that much lower than everyone else’s, then there would be a “other” store massacre. there simply isn’t.

  • Fred

    I am outraged they went to wallyworld to begin with. Glock or apple should sue!

  • Martin

    why did she go to Saudi Arabia to buy a shotgun?

  • kara

    I work at china-mart in sporting goods – there is extensive training to oversensitize the clerks about straw purchase (which occurs A LOT!) and how the clerk can be held reponsible, legally.

    So there is ultra caution any time one customer is guiding the purchaser, that maybe the gun is for them.

    I’ve FALSELY been accused of racism over it.

    • Thanks for your comment.

      Can you share with us what are the criteria for not serving someone?

      I think the problem with these kind of policies is that you probably still sell guns to many straw buyers, yet probably refuse to sell to just as many legitimate buyers as you do straw purchasers.

    • RocketScientist

      I’ll have to agree with the above post. While it sounds from the woman’s description that the counter-guy may have been a little overzealous, I will chalk this up more to him playing the CYA (Cover-your-a$$) game with respect to straw purchases. I recently received my C&R (-03) FFL, and with it came a huge packet of information that they generically send out with any FFL. I read through it all, even the aspects that didn’t apply to my C&R, mainly out of curiosity. Included is a whole magazine/pamphlet dealing with straw purchases: what they are, how to spot them, the penalties/liability for violating the law, etc. The whole tone of the document is pretty scary, I would be paranoid about this sorta thing if I were running/working at a gun counter (especially so if it was a large corporate entity that probably further emphazied this aspect of firearms selling). I even remember in the ‘how to spot a straw purchase’ section that BATFE specifically called out that one of the more common scenarios that indicate a straw purchase is a woman who is there with a man, intending to purchase a gun that seems inappropriate for her uses where she does not seem to know much about the gun or where he does all the speaking even though the gun is ‘for her’. While all these things may be true in her case for perfectly legitimate reasons, you can also see where it could look suspicious to someone who has been told to be on alert for such a thing and been told repeatedly that there are severe consequences for not being careful. In support of this, I just talked to my friend Evan who runs a small online gun shop (OnPoint Firearms) and he said that he’s only turned away a handful of people doing FFL transfers at this storefront for suspected straw-purchases, but every time it has been for this scenario. Man and woman come into shop, man asks/answers all the gun related questions while woman sits by, until its time to do paperwork at which point she says it will be ‘her’ gun. So I guess my point is: while this clerk maybe could have used a little better judgment in this case, I’m betting his error was from an abundance of caution with respect to star-purchases, and not from any good-ole-boy gun-culture sexism. Though I wasn’t there, so who knows.

  • She should go back in there, but first stop by the hardware section first. Then she should approach the gun counter holding a hacksaw, piece of PCV, duct tape, and epoxy – and then she should ask to see an 870 Express.

  • Richard

    It is worth remembering that Walmart signed on to Bloomberg’s anti-gun agenda creating all sorts of additional hoops for gun-buyers to jump through beyond those required by law. So I would not buy a gun there. Probably trying to get liberals to support their store locations. Didn’t work.

  • zbaer

    “he would have bought it himself but it was going to be mine to keep with us and practice with, so we wanted it in my name….”

    There is no such thing as a firearm “in your name” if it isn’t an NFA item! You put your name to the 4473 as the ORIGINAL PURCHASER, nothing more. You can then legally transfer it as many freaking times as you want without ever filling out another piece of paperwork.

    People need to learn how firearms regulation works, seriously. I constantly have to correct people on this. Even my friends who should know better.

    They would have been better off with the husband buying the damn thing to get the employee to lay off.

    • JM

      Your name only exists as the original purchaser if you transfer it to someone who doesn’t take responsibility of it, as required by each state’s Dept of Safety. The husband has a valid point. Plus, if she is the “owner” of the weapon and he purchases it for her – regardless of the fact that they’re married – then HE becomes a straw buyer. YES, you CAN be charged if you buy (and sign for) a firearm for your wife/husband.

      • DevsAdvocate

        Um, no it isn’t. Straw buying is when a non-prohibited person buys for a prohibited person. If they’re both legally allowed to own a firearm, then they can transfer between the two as much as they’d like.

      • HSR47

        Actually, the crime you are charged with when you make a “straw purchase” is basically purjury: you’re lying on a sworn statement. The 4473 is where you swear that you are not prohibited from owning a firearm, and that you are buying it for yourself.

        Thus, the person above you is theoretically right.

      • zbaer

        Yes, in the strictest sense the husband would have become a straw purchaser. But as a married couple, that’s like saying “it’s her couch” because she was the one who first wanted it when he paid for it and sits on it just as much.

        More importantly the idiot behind the counter would have ok’d it.

  • Anon

    Sorry, I’m going to have to be the one to burst the bubble of Wal-Mart hate building up here…

    As an FFL, you are required by ATF to be a mind-reader, capable of determining criminal intent from across the counter. Most any reputable gun store (Read: store that’s large/professional enough to enact best practices) is going to instruct its employees to deny any sale that appears potentially suspicious.

    ATF has gone back and forth over the years on the question of whether it counts as a straw purchase if one eligible person completes a 4473 and then uses another eligible person’s money to buy the weapon for them. As such, most dealers who pay any sort of attention to these things are pretty wary about those sorts of sales. So the claim “But we both have clean backgrounds!” is both irrelevant AND impossible to prove.

    I’ve turned away dozens and dozens of sales over the years either because a buyer said/did something to indicate that they were committing a straw purchase, or because the situation seemed suspicious. In some of those instances, I’ve been able to verify that the actual purchaser (not the friend or family member with the clean background and cash in hand) had violent criminal records.

    In the course of doing so, I’ve been accused of racism, sexism, ageism, and just plain ol’ discrimination of appearance. The fact is that ATF doesn’t give a damn, their goal is to test dealers compliance and shut down dealers who sell to straw purchasers. I don’t know which guy is going to be the ATF undercover agent (although I’ve suspected a couple of the years, who just seemed too pat for an actual straw purchase), but I know that every day thousands of people walk into gun stores and try to break the law to buy guns.

    TL;DR: Don’t appear suspicious when buying a gun that seems stereotypically unsuited for yourself, or the dealer is going to suspect a straw sale and rightfully refuse to sell it. Don’t like it? Go complain to ATF and get the laws changed regarding straw purchases.

    • doug

      In this day and age, though, those stereotypes shouldn’t exist. They’re sexist. This is the 21st century, not the 19th.

      • alannon

        Stereotypes sometimes exist for a reason. Ever worked a voting location? A lot of women are still told how to vote by their husbands…and do it.

        It’s easy and PC to say that stereotyping is bad, but people do it all the time; our brains are quite literally wired for the behavior. It’s something to watch, but saying it shouldn’t exist is just ignorant.

      • Anon

        Stereotyping would be if myself and my associates said “Hey, two black guys are buying a gun, one of them must be a felon!” This is not what we do. Common sense (and ATF-mandated policy) is if two people walk into the store and one of them indicates through their words and body language that they are the actual person who the firearm is intended for, that the sale must be denied. What color, age, sex, or cultural background they come from is irrelevant. Logically, there will be some groups of people who happen to be utilized most frequently for attempted straw purchases. If you’re a convicted felon and want a gun, who are you going to turn to when you need a criminal accomplice who doesn’t have a record?

        I can’t claim to have hard numbers on the exact nature and type of straw purchasers, but based on anecdotal evidence over many years selling guns, I’d estimate that at least 50-70% of straw purchasers are women. Mostly girlfriends and wives, but occasionally mothers or daughters, or simply friends of the prohibited person. I had the exact same 70-year-old white lady try to buy the same AR15 three times in as many days for her grown son. She couldn’t articulate what type of gun it was, and she refused the offer to let her shoot one for free…but her son’s admission that he wanted the rifle was ultimately the final straw. It wasn’t until we told her to leave and never come back that she finally got the hint (apparently all of the other local stores had turned them down as well).

        It’s not terribly suspicious when an 18 year old woman walks up with her boyfriend and says she wants “one of those”. When she’s unable to describe what the gun is, what it shoots, or what she’s planning on doing with it, one begins to assume that there’s something going on. When the boyfriend then lets slip a statement like “Oh, and I need a couple of mags to go with that”, then as Shakespeare said, “The game is up”.

        Or we can, y’know, just abolish all purchase requirements and let anyone buy guns regardless of age or criminal record. There’s an argument to be made for such a thing, and not without merit, but to base it on the claim that purchasing restrictions are sexist is simply bovine manure.

    • Totenglocke

      So a woman wanting a shotgun is “suspicious”? I think I speak for the majority of both the gun community and the human race when I say “screw you”.

      • Anon

        “A woman wanting a shotgun” is a statement devoid of sufficient detail to draw any meaningful conclusions, any more than “A man is over there with a gun!” isn’t very useful in determining whether he’s a hunter, a cop, an armed civilian, a criminal, or a kid playing with a BB gun.

        I’ve sold Wilson Combat 870s and 1911s to little old ladies, and $5,000 “tier 1” AR rigs to housewives. They were not suspicious in the slightest, because I knew within reasonable bounds that they were legitimately purchasing the weapon for themselves. They asked questions, talked about their needs, chose accessories, and discussed their selection process. A random woman who walks through the door and asks for a Mossberg 930 doesn’t automatically set off any alarms, but I *will* ask what she’s looking for, and why. I’m always concerned about the potential for straw purchases of course, but I’m also trying to make sure that the customer gets the right gun. Whether it’s by ensuring that it’s the correct manufacturer’s part number and configuration, or the proper weapon for the buyer’s needs, it’s the salesperson’s job to ask questions. Only an idiot would blindly hand a randomly selected gun over the counter and sell it without any conversation. I have returned and took in countless guns over the years precisely because someone wasn’t asking questions when they should have.

        Now, if the woman walks in with a guy, and he’s the one asking questions, examining the wares, and talking about his interest…I’m going to assume he’s the buyer. If they walk in and begin discussing her questions, and her interests…I’m going to assume that she’s probably the buyer. If she walks up and says she wants to buy her first gun, and it needs to be “That one right there”, pointing to a chrome-plated Desert Eagle .50 AE…I’m going to go out on a limb and make the assumption that there’s a straw sale going on. I may ask why she wants that particular gun, and suggest that she consider something else, but inevitably the response is that she only wants that one. Somewhere out there some 21-year-old girl decided that she wanted to get into shooting, did her research, and settled on the aforementioned .50 as the optimum piece to begin her collection (Last month I had one such new shooter who decided to start with a MAC-10 of all things, so it does happen)…but in that case she’d be able to explain what and why. If she can’t, then I’m going to have to assume that it’s the 99.98%-likely straw sale going on, and act accordingly. Sorry, but that’s what ATF requires, and I don’t get to make the rules.

        Most of the time when I shut down a legitimate straw attempt from guys who are obvious career criminals, they’ll outrage for a moment or two, then turn and nonchalantly leave. Sometimes they’ll essentially say “Yeah, you won’t break the law for me, no worries” and walk away, particularly after it’s explained that they really *don’t* want to go back to jail again for being caught in possession. Somehow it seems to be the more ‘casual’ felons who aren’t bright enough or haven’t tried it enough times to figure out when it’s a lost cause. In this particular case, I’m still rather suspicious about the woman’s husband and what his record actually looks like. It’s quite possible that the clerk was being an idiot, but one also wonders why the husband was refusing to complete the 4473 as well.

        On a more personal note, I’d love to know what your credentials are for throwing accusations around about someone else’s status on women in the shooting sports. As someone who’s taught and armed several thousand women over the years, all I can say is that you’re talking straight out of your ass.

      • B

        Typically women do not have much in the way of dealings with firearms, though the number is growing steadily. As of Oct. 2011 the number of reported women gun owners (according to a Gallup poll) is 23%.

        Statistically, that puts women in the minority of gun ownership. In other words, it would not be illogical to think that 3 out of every 4 women don’t own a gun, and probably have nothing to do with firearms in general. Having a woman come up to purchase a shotgun for home defense could be easily mistaken as a straw purchase if she doesn’t offer anything like “Oh, I am buying this as a gift for my husband/boyfriend/dad, etc,” especially if she is in the presence of a male. Being rude to someone who is speaking from personal experience as an gun salesman who offered valid reasoning is not cool.

        Now, with that being said, ultimately it is up to the salesperson to allow the sale, because of ATF laws and potential fines/jail time. Could the situation have been handled better? Absolutely.
        From the way it was presented, the salesman crossed the line from concerned about a straw purchase to discrimination with the line “You don’t hold it right.” It was never our job to train the purchaser how to use a firearm beyond simple instructions unless they wanted to take firearm training lessons.
        Furthermore, using the FBI as a threat against the purchaser was a scare tactic – the seller gets in the same amount of hot water as the purchaser should the dealer allow a straw purchase, whether they allow it knowingly or unknowingly.
        I can see both sides of this story, however, I am leaning toward the woman’s appraisal of the salesman’s reasoning as to why the sale was denied.

  • Bob Pearch

    Here again we are hearing just one side of a story. Prefer to withold my opinion until I here the the other side. After hearing Walmarts version this salesman might deserve a pat on the back. Many times they differ greatly.

  • Pete Sheppard

    I see both sides. I understand the lady’s anger about her ‘stature’ being a factor, but I also understand the employee’s (and Wla-Mart’s) caution about straw sales. It is a fact that women are often used as straw-buyers by men ineligible to buy a gun. It could have been handled better by both sides.

    Anon and Zbaer pretty well summed it up; it could have been a non-issue.

  • JM

    Steve, you’re so mad about this that you have completely forgotten to proofread your post. *facepalm*

  • Personally, I think we should give Wal-Mart, in all its magnificence, lock, stock and barrel to the Chinese; erasing their presence off the American landscape. Lastly, know that Wal-Mart makes as little investment in its employees as they can conceivably get away with, so take whatever this guy said to you with a grain of salt, he’s just a mall gerbil.

    Buy your firearms from an experienced and reputable dealer. It may cost you $50 more but it will be well worth your while in terms of knowledge, service, shopping experience and ongoing support!

    Wal-Mart We Sell Crap For Less!

    • RocketScientist

      You do realize how economics works right? If there wasn’t a market for this “crap” they’d have been out of business long ago. In other words, there are millions of people (Americans just like you and I) who buy this ‘crap’ every day, and keep coming back. For many of them (and I used to be in this situation) Wal-Mart’s sharply reduced prices are a god-send, allowing us to purchase necessities (food, clothes etc.) while still leaving some of the paycheck for savings, or to buy luxury items we couldn’t otherwise afford. A close family friend of mine was widowed in her 20’s with 2 small children and no career (husband had been financial adviser). She has repeatedly told me that if it weren’t for the Wal-Mart in her hometown she would not have been able to fend for herself and feed/clothe her own family without gov’t assistance. Do I currently do much shopping at Wal-Mart? No, because I can afford quality products now. But I’m not going to hate on a company for running their business efficiently enough that they can provide products at a much cheaper price, just because I can afford better.

      And for the tired accusations about how poorly they treat their employees: so? Does the Wal-Mart gestapo come to their door and force them at gun point to accept jobs there? If the employees are dissatisfied with their jobs they are free to apply for employment elsewhere. If there are no jobs in the area that offer better compensation/scheduling/benefits, then by definition the job at Wal-Mart is better than any other job they could get. If there ARE better jobs in the area, why don’t they take them? Ahhhh, Wal-Mart gestapo again?

      • W

        from a logical point of view, I have to agree with you.

        Although I disagree with the savings left over for other more important things. All large stores have similar pricing switched from higher or lower between different items. If one store was substantially lower than the rest, then the others would be out of business.

        As a capitalist and business owner, I despise economic hit men tools like wal-mart. when “middle class” jobs disappear or are shipped overseas, resulting in a drop of consumer disposable income, stores like this that sell imported items (leading to the problem to begin with) to these impoverished former middle class americans, perpetuating the cycle.

        Wal-mart is about the same stupid infinite economic growth, horse shit as everyone else.

  • Big Daddy

    Just go somewhere else with your money and contact the corporate office telling them that you spent all your money somewhere else. And will continue to not buy at Walmart ever again even if you have to pay more because of their practice of discrimination.

    Any business has the right to refuse to sell something to you. You have the right to buy it somewhere else and boycott their business. This after all is America and we are all supposed to have personal rights and freedom.

    Take down their name and tell them they are being reported to the store’s corporate headquarters and do it. Tell them it’s very hard getting jobs and I hope you like the one you have than just walk away and let the clown wonder in his sleepless night if he still has a job. That’s good enough payback.

    • Hal Klegman

      Yes, take your money and go somewhere else. No, any business has the right to refuse to see, this is America. It is America because even if you are a Black Female and the store owner is a racist moron, if he refuses to see, he is breaking one of our better laws. Actually, a number of our better laws.

  • gunslinger

    wow…

    ok, so there are 2 sides to every story. i’d like to hear the clerks/managers story.

    questions though, is who was doing the talking with the clerk? was the woman informed about the gun? was she asking questions? i gather not because if Soldier Hubby did all the research and “was going to take her out later” then i guess i can see the gun clerk be concerned.

    as others have stated though, why didn’t soldier guy just buy the gun? worried that if his wife uses it for defense, he’d be in trouble because he bought the gun? humm…ok but i find that to be odd that he woudln’t know he’d be able to “sell” or “transfer” or let his wife use that gun.

  • LJK

    This story kind of irks me the same way whenever I see a gun channel on Youtube (or a magazine article, whatever) commenting on some gun how it’s “also good for women”. And then they might even add “as well as someone small-framed”.

    Wouldn’t that have been enough? “This pistol is also nice for someone with smaller hands” or “the stock on this shotgun is suitable for someone with a smaller frame.”

    There are big and small men who can handle guns, there are big and small men who can’t handle guns, there are big and small women who can handle guns and there are big and small women who can’t handle guns.

    And I’m not one to be overly sensitive but the kind of division between big men, small men and women just doesn’t make any sense. Shooting a gun is a purely physical activity. Gender doesn’t play into it.

    • RocketScientist

      “Shooting a gun is a purely physical activity. Gender doesn’t play into it.”

      Huh?? Yes it is a physical activity. And physically, women and men are different (this should not be news to you). We, as a species, exhibit ‘sexual dimorphism’, one aspect of which is that there are marked differences in size and build between genders. Yes, some women are as big as some men, and some men are as small as some women. But they are EXCEPTIONS. Statistically, women are generally significantly smaller in size and mass, and their muscle strength is more distributed amongst their core and lower body, while men are generally larger in size and mass, with more strength in their upper bodies. That is a fact.

      • LJK

        I’d like you to read my post again. All of it.

      • RocketScientist

        @LJK-

        I read your post, all of it, the first time through. And several more times as I typed my reply to make sure I hadn’t mis-read or mis-understood you. Your point was that comments in firearms marketing or firearms reviews referring to particular guns as “suitable for women” were inappropriate and discriminatory, as there are some women who are as big as men and are incapable of handling firearms, and some women much smaller than men who ARE capable of handling firearms. MY point was that those are definitely ‘exceptions to the rule’ as the VAST MAJORITY of women are smaller, shorter, and have weaker upper bodies than the VAST MAJORITY of men. And since shooting firearms capably/safely requires upper body strength and stability, and handling the recoil of more powerful guns is helped by increased mass (and upper body strength), and all these things are areas in which women are statistically deficient in comparison to men, it is ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE to describe smaller, less powerful guns as more appropriate for women. This is not sexism, it is science. And yes, I am aware of small tiny women who are great shots with high-powered weaponry. And I am aware that proper technique and training can mitigate the deleterious effects of smaller stature and strength. But again these are exceptions. I work closely with a man who is native-born Irish, a Jew, and has black skin. I am not denying his existence, but it is foolish to point to him to prove that its inappropriate to say that most Irish people are fair skinned, fair haired Catholics.

      • LJK

        @RocketScientist

        How does saying “suitable also to people with smaller frames” NOT encompass female shooters?

        To me, it’s just incredibly redundant to still add to that “and oh, women too”.

      • Killian

        It’s a matter of advertising, really, which all breaks down to psychology. There is a stereotype (typically perpetuated by rude stupid Fudds and mall ninjas and maintained by anti-gun types and non-firearms enthusiasts, especially females) that firearms are masculine items, especially as it relates to defensive firearms. So, companies realized there was a whole segment of the market they needed to tap. So, they make pink guns, guns with more “feminine” lines, guns with recoil-reducing stocks/grips, etc. “Small framed”? I don’t know, I guess we have a very diverse population and there’s a demand for “big gun power, small gun size/weight”. It’s not sexism or anything. It’s good business.

      • Sid

        Women and men are different….. okay, got it. But please slow down as I am trying to take notes.

      • ibgemini

        and rocketscientist, is that what u think the military should do as well, give females, especially those in combat, smaller, less powerful guns, guns that “suit” the female body? get real….any woman can learn to shoot any gun just as well as any man if indeed that is what she wants to do. to think any differently is pure discrimination, or igorance

  • The law is vague about straw purchases (for reasons which should be obvious), and a gun dealer has the legal right to refuse a sale for any reason, including when they suspect a straw purchase. Ineligible husbands taking their wives along to do the paperwork is common.

    That being said, at a certain point, common sense needs to kick in. Unfortunately, Wal-mart employees are not trained in common sense, even at the gun department. It should also be noted that Wal-mart often hires employees and managers who are opposed to guns, and such people cannot be expected to go to great lengths to understand a situation.

  • Kyle

    It’s not just walmart, and it’s not just the gun industry, either. I’m not saying that either side is not at fault, they are. Wal-Mart for over sensitizing their employees to straw purchases and generally employing incompetent staff, and the gun idustry for insisting that a woman only needs a .38 special or a .380. At most a 20 gauge. If you can shoot it, chances are she can too. I’ve never met a woman who, with proper instruction, can’t shoot any gun I own. It all boils down to teaching them like you would any new shooting enthusiast (Male OR Female). If you let your 16 year old son shoot a .30-30 on a deer hunt, there’s no reason why your daughter or wife can’t.

  • As a female gun enthusiast and business owner I am always amazed at how much prejudice still exists in the community.

  • mosinman

    first off…. it isnt the dudes buisness what you wanna use the shotgun for. your paying so why is it concern? utter stupidity. as long as your not a felon and your an adult, you should be able to purchase a shotgun. (as it has been my experience in the states ive lived in)

    • Other Steve

      Uh, actually it IS his business if he’s working the gun counter. Go argue with the ATF if you don’t like that.

      • B

        Other Steve kinda has it right.
        If the salesperson has reason to believe it may be a straw purchase they can ask semi probing questions to find out said purchaser’s intent to make sure it isn’t an illegal transaction they are about to go through with (the BATFE holds the FFL holder responsible for those, as well as the buyer). However, most of the time a salesperson will ask questions while trying to find the right gun for the person according to the task it will be used for.
        I often suggested shotguns for women coming looking for home defense because statistically speaking, if they had kids in the house, a longarm is less likely to be used during an accident that results in injury or death to a child than a pistol is.
        Needless to say, I sold a lot of shotguns to women.

    • mosinman

      yeah he can ask questions and all and i get why, but theres no need to be jerk over it. i guess we cant really say yay or nay unless we hear the whole story from both parties right other steve?

  • Blackhawk2001

    Unlikely if, as the blog says, her husband is a ‘soldier’. No disqualifying felonies permitted for Army or Guard personnel; if you can’t legally carry a weapon, you get separated.

    • Brian

      I disagree with you, for this reason. When I was in the Army, my wife and I got divorced. In order to complicate my life and show signs of power, and use the government as her personal toy, she took out a “protective order” against me by telling a judge she was “Scared” of me, though no mention of me ever physically harming her was ever in any paper work. Nor was any mention of threats of violence. I have a completely clean record, I even held a clearance.

      Once that order was filed, I could not purchase nor own a firearm, use one, carry one, etc until the order was over, according to the judge, and the police who showed up at my apartment to “collect” my weapons. Though at the time I didn’t even own any, but my wife managed to convince the police and Judge I owned several “assault” weapons.

      Ironically I was my units Armorer to boot. I can tell you what the Army did, they said “LOL – we boss.” Or something like that. But I promise you I continued to work, carry, and train with my Gov’t issued Colt m4 and Beretta m9. I even did a couple of training exercises with the m249, m240, and the .50 cal for the mounted humvee training.

      I was never kicked out for it. Any my command only laughed at the ridiculousness of it, I was after all a very good soldier.

  • Doug

    I think a 930 would be a great shotgun for a woman.

  • Big Daddy

    Frankly after thinking about it I bet this story is bogus.

    There is a lot of anti-Walmart sentiments out there and for GOOD reason. They have one of if not the worst record in the USA for employee issues. Especially with comp cases.

    Our local politicians and businessmen made sure Walmart does not open any stores in this area for those reasons.

  • “Santa” Chuck

    I am indifferent to Walmart, neither a fan nor a hater of the store. But this story sounds like there’s probably more to it than reported. It wouldn’t surprise me if a lone redneck at the gun counter was to chauvinistic to show proper respect to a lady customer, or maybe not. But I am dubious about a store manager not supporting the sale of piece of merchandise going for probably between $600 and $800 depending on the version.

  • Ken

    This is standard fair at WalMart. She’d have gotten the same if she tried to buy a lawn mower without her husband present. Google is your friend, WalMart is not, especially if you’re a woman.

  • tony

    I once bought a 12 gauge Mossberg 590, and the lady at the counter said a 20 gauge was better suited for me. LOL!

  • C_M

    Why does this surprise anyone?

    Women’s right to make their own medical decisions with their health care providers are up in the air. The religious right is trying to turn back the clock on so much socially… They want women to be property, and property doesn’t deserve second amendment rights.

    • RocketScientist

      Aside from the sheer ridiculousness of your post (do you REALLY think just because someone is an evangelical/conservative Christian they view women as chattel property??), it violates the whole “Firearms, not Politics” theme of this site (this message is written at the top of every page). While there are many comments here (and on other threads) that delve into politics, we at least usually try to keep them related to the politics of the issue under discussion, or the politics of firearms (ideally both) and even then they are not well tolerated. This post does neither. Oh wait, you tied it into a 2A issue at the end there, nevermind :/

    • W

      WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING!?

    • Killian

      This has little relevance to the discussion, I’m gonna toss a troll flag out, bite my lip and not say some of the stuff I’m sorely tempted to say in response to your random hijacking of a firearms-related comments section.

      I’ll say this, though: I’m a straight, white Christian pro-life libertarian conservative gun-toting truck-driving hick from the back woods, and I don’t think my Hispanic (you were thinking forgot to put racist up in my description, but most of of crazies aren’t) girlfriend is “chattel”. Would I give her $2000 in handgun, ammo, holster, carry belt and a voucher for professional training if I felt she was my slave, or if I ever intended her to be?
      I take it rather personally that you would accuse me (yeah, I feel you took a shot at me when you took a shot at “the religious right”) of sexism or any other form of discrimination.
      Didn’t think us backwoods rednecks could use computers, did’ja?

      Now lets return to the topic at hand.

      • mosinman

        your my hero Killian

  • Joseph

    Walmart has had lots of cases like this. I for sure would say it’s not the place to purchase a firearm… but at least someone can try?

  • creekside

    Buy the firearm by yourself. I live in a high regulation state (California) and Walmart doesn’t even sell guns here. When you brought someone else with you, you created reasonable suspicion of a straw purchase. The sporting goods clerk was stuck between his own prejudices and the real fear of breaking policy in a low paying job. As a member of a the Pink Pistols, I thoroughly approve of everyone having the tools of self defense. It is a fact that girlfriends buying guns for their felon boyfriends is how many of them buy guns over the counter. (Even though most illegal guns are stolen in residential burglaries, or on occasion trafficked.)

  • Reverend Clint

    what do you expect from walmart… where they buy secret life insurance against their managers.

  • Aurelien

    Steve, it is outrageous and can be seen in other areas too.

    Women do not get treated right in the computer world.
    They do not get treated right when buying cars either.

    And i don’t understand why a young woman can’t drive a Mitsubishi Evo, own tactical shotguns and use a beefed-up gaming computer.

    That kind of sexist views do not make any sense.

  • B

    As a former dealer, I had to refuse to sale to some individuals before, but for good reason.
    A few times the customer came in smelling like a brewery and there was no way in hell I was going to sell to them in that state. Another time it was the way they were acting that made me think it was a straw purchase for someone with the questions they were asking, and how they were basically letting their friend do all the decision making.
    I always tried to steer women into something that I thought would be comfortable for them when they asked for advice, but I never denied a sale if they wanted something big bore. I just told them to be careful and practice often – like I told all my customers.
    The salesclerk and manager should be severely reprimanded for their actions. An active military ID card should have been proof enough it wasn’t a straw purchase for a felon… FURTHERMORE, it has been ruled legal that a spouse, family member, or friend can buy a firearm as a gift for someone that is not a known felon, since he was assuming it was a purchase for her husband.
    I would almost say get a real ambulance chasing type of lawyer and sue for discrimination.

  • D

    Walmart employee on a petty power trip, exercising his pretend power over people? Tell me it ain’t so!

  • إبليس

    Firearms not feminism.

    • charles222

      I’m going to laugh at the irony when some racist hillbillies show up in this thread and decide to barage the Arabic username with epithets.

      • RocketScientist

        Hey! How dare you stereotype all Rolling-Terrain-Americans as racist? it’s that kind of backwards thinking that keeps us a country divided.

      • charles222

        I’m going to respond carefully and thoughtfully to you:

        pfffffft.

      • W

        hey if you dont like america, you can git out!

        😀

        jk 😉

      • Y’vonne

        ‘Where I come from’, the deep South, 99% of the female “Hillbillies” shooters can win trophy’s @ any ‘ole shootout, be it with a 30-06, or a .22rifle or handgun! While wearing Heels or Boots! 🙂

      • Killian

        You perpetuate stereotypes by assuming we’ll go after the arabic username. Get bent.

    • mahmoud

      this arabic user name means devil….wtf?

  • Chase

    Even if he did, how could the clerk at Wal-Mart know just by looking at him? (Unless he had “MS” tattooed on his face or something.)

  • rfox

    heck, I’m jealous of the lady. The wal-mart around my house carries ammo but no firearms at all. Last year I went south on vacation and they had guns at wal-mart!. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Guns and beer! In PA they can’t sell beer in stores. You have to go to a distributor or a bar. . Why doesn’t she just go back alone and buy it from another salesguy.

    I suspect others are correct, her hubby did all of the talking, handled the gun first, then handed it over to her. She looked at it and said something like, “Yeah, it’s nice” or “Wow, it’s heavy.. Okay’ I’ll buy this.”

    instant suspicion.

    sorry in advance if I offend anybody.

  • Fred

    It seems as though who ever mentions something bad about wallyworld is going to get a lot of thumbs downs today.

  • JAFO

    Let’s get one thing well and truly state.

    The guy was an asshole. Not an alpha male, not a thing else save for an asshole.

    Equating alpha males with cavemen smacks of not knowing what either is. Alpha males are men who lead- period. Cavemen are quite another matter.

    Further, you have a problem with WALMART. Not the “gun industry”. This guy is a simpleminded clerk at Walmart. Nothing more.

  • B

    Apparently someone coughcough~you~coughcough didn’t read the article.
    Soldier husband… soldiers and crimes don’t mix. Typically means discharge. Dishonorable discharge is a question on the 4473. If you got a full dishonorable discharge, you will be denied on the 4473 check. Now, if he somehow managed to get an OTH discharge, he might still be denied due to the circumstances of the discharge.

  • Jeff

    Like most professions, if suspicion is aroused, the best thing is to ask scanning questions: casual questions to make sure the customers knew what they were getting
    “So what load do you plan to use in this? Why did you pick semi over a pump for HD? Do you practice clearing drills? ”

    It’s the easiest way to weed out most straw purchases because more often than not they will stumble over the simplest questions

    • Nicks87

      The best thing to do is shut the f*** up and follow the normal procedure for selling firearms which has nothing to do with Interrogating the customer.

      Let Law Enforcement catch the criminals, it’s their job NOT yours!

      • RocketScientist

        Just as an FYI, it you are a FFL holder (or their agent, ie sales clerk at a gun counter) it IS your responsibility to prevent straw purchases and you CAN be held legally liable if one is committed under your watch and the BATFE feels you should have known. BATFE routinely runs ‘undercover’ spot checks where they attempt to buy guns in a scenario that should alert the seller to a possible straw-purchase, and there are serious consequences if they don’t like how you react. Part of the responsibilities of being an FFL holder is being responsible for preventing straw purchases, one of the many legal obligations you are held to when you get an FFL. So yes, it IS his business, and he SHOULD be asking questions. Unless he has diplomatic immunity and doesn’t have to worry about the least-reasonable federal law enforcement agency coming down on his head like a ton of bricks.

    • Sid

      The easiest way to weed out straw purchases is to ask “do you work for the ATF?”

  • Queenforaday

    Just because the wife took advice from her husband as to the type of firearm would serve her situation the best? Who is a salesclerk to decide what firearm suits me? He doesn’t know me. The clerks opinion is worthless in my book. I would have just stared at him and given no answers. He has no way of knowing my Dad taught me at age 6 how to load and shoot his 12 gauge Browning. Yeah, it knocked me on my butt, but I was game to do it again. I own more firearms than my husband, btw

  • Nicks87

    I think this has more to do with some “I-failed-at-life-so-now-I-work-at-wal-mart” clown on a power trip than it does with sexism.

    The guy probably wanted to be a cop but was too fat, stupid, weak or crazy so now he gets off on bullying people he perceives to be weaker than him. The TSA hire the same sort of people.

    • Anonymous

      “The guy probably wanted to be a cop but was too fat, stupid, weak or crazy so now he gets off on bullying people he perceives to be weaker than him. ”

      No such thing as too fat, stupid, weak or crazy (ok, maybe substitute lazy for crazy) to be a cop. And by definition what they do is bully people that are perceived as weaker than them. Cops simply have a shiny piece of metal that says they are the only ones authorized to do so in a given area (which supposedly makes it all OK). In fact most police forces have policies to not hire any applicants that score TOO HIGH on pre-application intelligence testing. Read that again: most police forces won’t even look at your application if you are TOO SMART. This policy has been upheld in federal courts. True story:

      http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/09/nyregion/metro-news-briefs-connecticut-judge-rules-that-police-can-bar-high-iq-scores.html

  • Though I’m sure it’s not universal, Wally World definitely has some idiotic policies and some idiotic staff.

    Bought a Mossberg 500a and the clerk had no clue what to do with my CHL. Here in NC, that counts as the NICS check, so there’s no need to call. So, even though I gave him that piece of info, the dunce called, anyhow, instead of checking with his boss. Then another staffer insisted on escorting me to the exit. What dopes. Heck, if I intended mayhem, all I had to do was wait until she was out of sight and not even exit the store. Plus, they’re not posted, and I was carrying, so WTF?

    They have a sign in some stores over the ammo declaring that it is illegal to sell any ammo to out of state residents. Blatant, baldface lie.

    Every time I buy .22 (LR, short, magnum) they ask if I’m buying it for a handgun or a rifle. I usually say “I don’t know” or “both.” Most of them don’t care if you don’t answer and just punch any answer into the register to stop it from beeping at them. When it’s a dopey clerk, or an older guy who’s retired and just working there for extra cash, I usually don’t give them a hard time. But I’m *so* waiting to get a jerk who insists on me answering so I can tell him, “actually, I intend to feed them to babies and small animals.” They are more than welcome to refuse that sale. The entertainment value will be worth it.

    If I were the woman’s husband, I think I would have warned him that this was going on my blog and would likely go viral. But first, if had I CHL, I would probably show it to the clerk to clear up the question of it being a straw purchase. If he still refused based solely on wanting to know what she was using it for or insisted on trying to sell her something else when she had decided what she wanted, I would might have lost my cool and called him the sexist prick that he was. And brought my business elsewhere, of course.

    • Nadnerbus

      regarding the question at the register as to the pistol or rifle destination of the ammo, another poster above said that they are not allowed to sell rifle ammo to anyone under 18 or sell pistol ammo to anyone under 21. So I’m sure first they determine what the ammo is used for, which then cues the computer to ask for the appropriate age for the relevant use. Sorta like how they have pictures of the value meal on a McDonalds register so anyone can figure out how to ring it up. In the attempt to make everything idiot proof, they turn everyone into idiots.

  • Carla

    Don’t deal with Walmart for serious tactical weapons. I buy my safety glasses there, that’s all.

    Don’t get outraged. Do the smart-shopper thing, take your hard-earned bucks elsewhere. To a local tactical weapons shop, where their main questions are “yes, I can sell you that, how many magazines would you like and can I sell you some ammo? And yes, we offer training classes and can we direct you to our local weapons training range?”

    I’m sorry that you were treated very poorly by some obviously neanderthal people, who never evolved. Leave them to Walmart. Be a smart shopper.

    Don’t get mad, get even. Buy your tactical weapons someplace else.

    As a woman who shoots regularly at my fav range, I wouldn’t recommend a shotgun for home defense. Too random. My Dad, who served in WWII and Korea and served in the Wichita PD for over 22 years always told me, “Baby, pepper spray is your best friend. Carry it everywhere.” And, I do. In my purse, in my car. Doesn’t require a license. Watch a video of someone who’s been sprayed with pepper spray.

    At home, my first point of self-defense is knowing my home defense points and what your soldier husband would call “situational awareness.” You have knives in the kitchen, arm yourself. Bathroom doors can be locked from the inside, portable wireless phones and cellphones can be located or carried into rooms. Pepper spray is still your best defense. Carry it in your pocket and purse at all times.

    The first thing you do in a crisis situation, is call for help. Secondly, if you’ve armed yourself with a knife, or pepper spray or a pistol (not a shotgun) that you’ve fired regularly and practiced with, get behind a door with any weapon at hand.

    Tell that stupid fuck that you’re armed, and you Will kill him. If he doesn’t get the idea, and you have to shoot, shoot to kill.

    Get a pistol, practice with it. Find a caliber that you’re comfortable shooting one-handed. I’d leave the shotguns alone though. Just my opinion.

    • derekb

      I think plenty of folks who put food on the table might take issue with your claim that a shotgun is ‘random.’

    • John Doe

      Pointing a pistol at someone and saying you’ll shoot is a great idea if there is a guarantee that not all burglars are bat-f**king crazy or on drugs. A Glock doesn’t necessarily scare a meth tweaker. A pump of a 12 gauge and a warning shot will.

      Pistols aren’t necessarily the best home defense weapon. And shotguns are far from random, especially if you’re a hunter, or in a state that has dumb handgun regulations.

      -someone who has had to deal with the above situation

      • “Warning shots” can get you jailed:

        Prosecutor: “Why did you shoot to miss f you were so in fear of your life?”

        If a situation reaches the point where you feel there is no alternative to pulling the trigger, then you should be shooting to neutralise the threat, not “scare” them.

    • B

      Actually, Carla – with all due respect, your father doesn’t know squat about shotguns.
      Too “random?” I am going to guess he meant the spread. He has the old Hollywood mentality of you shoot one shell and hit everyone in a room – that is just not the case.
      In home situations, most of the time you’re going to be firing at ranges less than 7 yards (21 feet). The approximate spread you will get with modified choke, 22″ barrel, and birdshot (#7 or #8 pellets) will be about a 7″ spread, at 7 yards (some variation according to what you are shooting, of course). Most home defense shotguns specifically marketed as such, like the Mossberg JIC (a pistol gripped Model 500A, 18″ barrel) are full choke. Using home defense ammo, usually 00 or 000 buckshot results in a much smaller pattern spread, to the tune of about 3″-6″, with variation according to what you are shooting. The absolute smallest spread I have found with an 18″ full choke shotgun is Federal Premium Personal Defense 2-3/4″ 00 Buck. At 7-10 yards, it has the spread pattern the size of a silver dollar.
      Furthermore, in homes with children, accidents with accidental firearm discharges are less likely to occur with longarms rather than handguns, because for littlest ones they are harder to operate and move about. By the time they are old enough to be able to pick them up, it should be the parents responsibility to have taught them gun safety with a firearm in the house. This absolutely does not forgo the need for proper gun safes in the home if you own a firearm, and have a child.
      I have sold a lot of shotguns to women for home defense, each was happy with their purchase.

    • BambiB

      Actually, for home defense, a rifle or shotgun beats a handgun in almost every way.

      A recently posted analysis of gunshot wounds by an anesthesiologist (apparently teaching a class at medical school) basically said, “If the wound is a handgun wound, unless it hits a vital organ or artery, the patient will live. If it’s a rifle or shotgun wound – forget it.”

      Just for comparison, a 3″ 12-gauge shotgun firing 000 buckshot launches 10 70-grain pellets at about 1200fps. A .38 revolver fires a 158 grain bullet about 750 fps. One hit from the 12-gauge is akin to 11 hits from a .38.

      Which means that five rounds from a shotgun will generally do more damage than a whole box full of .38s.

  • Charlie

    I live in suburban Atlanta. My Walmart doesn’t even carry gun socks, much less rifles or ammo. A salesman told me that management (local I presumed) wanted nothing to do with guns. However, if I drive 30 or 40 miles out of my way, I can. So I get most everything I want off of the internet.

    • Phil White

      Charlie,

      Wal-Marts policy is to stock those stores in the south which are outside larger cities. They also stock guns and ammo in many other areas of the country with the operative word being “country” as in smaller towns.
      They are very picky about which stores sell guns and ammo. Do you remember when Wal-Mart sold handguns!

      • Walmartt’s policy is to sell guns at stores where they can make money doing so. Plenty of stores in Metro Phoenix that sell guns.

  • oldarmy

    what a crock..I worked the gun counter at 2 different WalMarts and an Academy..I once held a Class I license..this sort of shit is unforgivable . The clerk was obviously blowing smoke and rattling off because he didn’t know jackshit. He desperately needs some work on his people skills and the manager needs to join him in the unemployment line..If a customer had a question I wasn’t sure of? I had the BATF regs right there under the counter. It’s obvious he didn’t have a clue about “straw purchases” as he was dancing around with the customer about. But to be escorted out of the store over this crap by the manager??? The only sales I refused to make were if the customer was acting suspiciously, couldn’t speak a lick of English, obviously drunk or high or outright said something like “I’m buying it for my Mom”…red flag. The “clerk” was obviously just that, a clerk just to run the cash register. Not someone who knew the ropes on selling firearms. And to threaten her with the FBI? Her husband shoulda decked him right there. Another sign of his ignorance..FBI has nothing to do with enforcement. It’s the BATF’s job. The FBI comes into it if a gun is used in a crime (Correct me if I’m wrong here). And I’ve sold a lot of guns to women with their husbands tagging along. They had questions, I had answers. I did ask however if she was sure she was up to the gun or had done any homework, but never in an insulting way. I’m a firm believer in the right gun for the right shooter. I made sure customers knew I was more than just a hired hand and knew things. Never had a complaint against me in 10 years at either store. They did right taking their business elsewhere. I’m a shooter and to this day I have not and will not buy a firearm from WalMart. Or ammo either for that matter.It’s like trying to buy a Colt from a Dairy Queen..if I want ice cream I damn sure don’t go to the gunstore..lmao

    • Phil White

      oldarmy,

      You happen to be right on the money as far as the FBI and BATFE involvement and jurisdiction relating to firearms.

  • mahmoud

    lol, and you say we muslims are sexists?

    • charles222

      Yeaah, I guess I missed that last round of ‘honor killings’ over a family member being raped in the West.

      • mahmoud

        yeah, because idiotic uneducated ppl could be the reference u take to understand the ppl of another country, there are some in america, but i won’t think like this, cuz i know some smart Americans too..not that idiot in walmart tho.

    • W

      c’mon mahmoud, every generation and war needs a scapegoat 😉

  • Al S.

    The dude obviously has never spent any time in Israel. Buying a gun from Walmart is like buying a computer from Best Buy; don’t do it. Over priced obsolete inventory and ignorant sales people.

    • FindYourInnerWoodsman

      Id like to correct you on two points if i could, one: walmarts inventory of firearms is actually quite extensive if you’ve ever looked at their order catalog and not judged them by what’s in the case, and two their prices are either on par with going prices for said firearms or a bit lowball compared to some local gun stores. Now i de believe in supporting your local gun store but if walmart has access to guns that say my local dealer can’t get…ill go to walmart as i have in the past. It was smooth transaction and the store manager was quite nice and a gun enthusiast himself. For ref its the walmart in Nevada MO which has started selling AR’s – Colt and Windham Weaponry for some. Don’t knock em all because a few bad apples.

  • Matthew

    If this is sexism you should blame it on BATFE. This is actually the EXACT scenario my IOI used to give of an example of how to tell when someone was trying to make an illegal straw purchase. I am not saying that someone with good sense in this particular situation would interpret the situation this way but this is pretty much how my TWO IOI’s at my recent inspection would want it interpreted.

  • Matt

    Unfortunately, I have found that Wal-Mart is not a reliable place to buy things such as guns and ammunition. Just a few weeks ago I went to a local Wal-Mart and tried to purchase Winchester 12 ga. shotshells. I am over 18 years old, but still under 21, so for those that don’t know I can legally purchase shotgun and rifle ammunition, but no handgun ammunition. Wal-Mart even posts a large sign saying the say thing. However, when I went to purchase these shotshells, the registered asked for my age (which was expected) but then denied me the sale by saying that I was underage because I was under 21. The clerk seemed to know nothing about the fact that I could legally purchase this and it was the system that was incorrect and simply shook his head and said that there was nothing he could do for me, even after I showed him the sign. I vowed never to buy ammunition from any of their locations again.

  • Mike Knox

    Guys who diss women don’t deserve their special equipment….

  • Pancho

    Really what did you expect shopping at Walmart? Do they do a good job at anything? Why do they have to have “can I help you?” on the back of their smock? It is also unfair to attack the store for being sexist when it was clearly the employee or the counter clerk who was in the middle of this conflict. Judging from their response, and their quickness to take it to the court of internet opinion, I wouldn’t be surprised if the clerk has a different story to tell.

    Straw purchases are not a joke. A friend of mine spent 1 and a half year in a federal prison after he was busted in a ATF sting. Same exact scenario! Husband and wife come into the store, husband looks at the gun and wife bought it.

    I suggest you take a look at the ATF website for Don’t lie to for the other guy before you comment or pass judgement on this. Also consider we are hearing only one side of the story.

    • B

      Well, considering it has been ruled allowable for people to buy firearms as gifts as long as the other person is capable of owning a firearm (not a convicted felon, not a habitual user of controlled substances, etc.) – it should have been your buddy’s duty to ask if this is a gift, and if the husband is allowed to own a firearm. If he didn’t, well, you know what happened.
      When I was an arms dealer, I did my fair share of gift sales around Christmas. I always asked if this was a gift, and who the person was, and if they are allowed to legally own firearms. We had a separate form for them to sign and acknowledge they were buying as a gift we kept in the records with the purchase.
      Quick and easy way to cover your ass… and as always, if in doubt, just don’t sell it.

      • Tom

        Under ATF’s current requirements for firearm sales, “gift” firearms sales are NOT legal and are considered straw purchases. We got a video from the ATF for employees to watch of do’s and don’ts. If it is to be a gift, a receipt for the paid for firearm is to be issued and the gifted is to return for the background check. And this “legally” kills the kiddys first rifle.

  • Bill Moss

    Prayse,
    Your husband is right to be upset about you being discriminated against. I grew up in Jeffersonville about 2 miles from the Clarksville Wal-mart. You need to take this matter to court. By taking action you could help to stop such discrimination. Your husband serves this country to protect your rights as well as everyone else’s. I would recomend Derrin and Larry Wilder Attorneys at Law in Jeffersonville. I know them personally and they are good attorneys as well as good people. They come from working class people and are down to earth. Also if you are still looking to purchase a fire arm check out Ron’s Gun Shop on Hamburg Pike in Jeffersonville. Ron is my cousin and I came all the way from Eastern Kentucky to buy my 1911 45 cal. from him. Good luck and stand up for your freedom!

    • Matthew

      Help me make sure I understand something in your comment – you live in Kentucky and went to Indiana to purchase a handgun?

    • B

      Well, Bill, you and your cousin Ron, according to your own admission, violated 18 USC § 922 – Unlawful acts ~ http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922 ~ unless you are a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer.
      If you were one of those, it begs the question why you would buy from your cousin when you could readily get it yourself.

      • Phil OConnor

        Actually your comment would be correct if as you stated they crossed state lines to buy a handgun. The original poster , however, stated she was looking to purchase a shotgun. This is allowed – no harm/no foul. I’ve bought plenty of ammo in the past at that walmart. I will no longer do so.

      • B

        Phill OConnor – I was talking about Bill Moss’s statement that he came from Kentucky to buy a handgun in Indiana from his cousin Ron, who owns a gun store. It was implied that he did so at the gun store his cousin owns, not as a private purchase.
        If he did purchase a handgun at the store, even though the cousin is the owner, it would be a violation of that code.
        Now, if it was a private sale between individuals, he did nothing wrong, however, like I said, it was made to sound like he bought it at the gunstore his cousin owns.

      • Anthony

        Incorrect, sir.

        It is only a felony IF he admitted to purchasing it out of his home state and then crossed state lines. I purchase in Kentucky (I live in Indiana) all the time. You simply have to do a dealer transfer. Do your homework before you try to school someone like a smart-ass child.

  • Bill Moss

    The more I think about this the more my blood boils. Wal-mart posted their doors a few years back in Kentucky (NO FIREARMS PERMITTED). They lost so much business by posting the doors they decided to take them down. Customers no carry guns in their Kentucky stores. My wife and I included.

  • Esh325

    If that’s what happened then I would say it’s completely unacceptable. Although, you can’t hear the clerks side of the story.

  • You’re all mad

    Feminazi trolling at its finest.

    Let the hate flow through you.

  • Juan Espinoza

    My wife and I went to Wally-World to purchase a Mini-14 for the home defense. I myself have a disability that makes it difficult to speak with people and fill out paperwork so the wife was going to handle the paperwork and sales person. We get to WW and nobody is working the gun counter. After several minutes an employee comes up and asks what we need and we tell him that we’d like to look at the Mini-14. Guy gets it out and hands it to us to look at. My wife not being as experienced as I am when it comes to looking firearms over for anything wrong let me do the looking. After checking the action of the firearm and inspecting the front sight to see if it was canted, I gave the rifle to back to my wife and said it was a good one. Wife checked out the rifle and held it up to her shoulder to get a feel for it. She liked it and we agreed this would be the new purchase for the home.

    We tell the guy this is the rifle we want and he says he cant ring it up and has to get somebody else. We get the usual run around about how nobody has clearance to sell a firearm and they have to wait for the manager. Meanwhile, people are coming in open carrying and buying ammo and chatting it up with the sales people. Father and son come in and ask to see a book so they can purchase a hunting rifle. The salesmen asks which one of us will be buying the firearm today and my wife steps and says she will. Guy says no problem and gets her to fill everything out. Wife passes background check and we wait. During this time, more people come in and buy ammo.

    During the wait, I decide to look for case and cleaning kit for the rifle.Manager shows up to finalize the sale and gives my wife and I very dirty looks. He begins to grill her about the sale asking her why she needs that gun. Her response was for home defense and then he proceeds to ask her what caliber it was and what make for which she replied with the correct answers. He then states that he doesnt feel good about the sale whilst looking me up and down. He must have noticed my tattoos and assumed I was a felon and this was a straw sale. I step up and question why he is asking my wife these questions and if it matters what caliber or rifle we choose for home defense? He goes on to tell us that he doesnt feel good about the sale and has the right to terminate. I explain that I am not a felon and that this is not a straw purchase but a purchase for the home and that while my wife is the purchaser, the rifle will be legally used by all in the home. I also explained that I have been married for 20 years and have been carrying and collecting firearms even longer. At this point, he terminates the sale and embarrasses my wife and I. It wouldnt have been so bad if the father and son who had come in werent able to purchase the rifle they picked out without any problems. Not to mention the vast array of tattooed people who were open carrying and buying ammo. What made me different from the guys who were buying ammo and guns? I was a tattooed Latino. The tattooed white guys had no problem. I learned my lesson and will now only support local mom&pop FFLS. Wal-Mart can kiss my brown ass.

    • Juan Espinoza

      Allow me to add that part of the reason they gave my wife and so much shit is because they feel a woman couldnt possibly know anything about or want to purchase a Mini-14. This WalMart was the one on Greenfield and Baseline in Mesa Arizona.

      • Ckh88

        Generally I imagine the quality of education in regard to firearms and firearms law in a Walmart employee is about on par with that of a napkin holder

    • BHirsh

      Serves ya right fer havin’ tattoos.

      In hindsight, getting all tatted up wasn’t such a good idea, huh.

  • DRod

    I know quite a few respectable ladies that would go into full blown bitch mode if treated like this.

  • rob

    You are an idiot and it serves you right. Support your local gun shop.

    • Bryan S.

      Perhaps, in their area, this is the local gunshop. Or perhaps, they cant afford the gunshop premium on that particular model.

  • Ckh88

    Why you’d buy a firearm at Walmart (unless there’s no decent gun store around) regardless is my thought. I don’t do business with them except on rare occasions, but I’d certainly never buy something like a firearm there.

    • I am female and bought a rifle at a Wal-Mart a couple months ago. The reason was that the gun shop I usually go to didn’t have that model of rifle in stock, it was back ordered to Bejeesus. I’ve been to the Wal-Mart sporting goods counter a lot of times to buy ammo and the clerk knows me. I’m happy with my rifle, although it didn’t have sling swivel studs so I had to install a pair of them on it myself. It wasn’t too hard.

      I suggest that if you want to avoid the clerk being nervous about straw buyers, cultivate the clerk. Or go alone. If you are a newbie, it’s better to go to a small gun shop and get better service, because it’s less likely that the Wal-Mart sporting goods clerk will be very knowledgeable about guns.

      That being said, them getting a rifle out and selling it to you at Wal-Mart is a huge production. The clerk had to walk me out the door with it.

  • Bobr

    Im dissapointed that so many here are defending this cashier.

    Anyway,38 likes for the comment
    “It’s a Mossberg, dummy. The same shotgun you’d find anywhere else.”

    Sorry, but no. It’s not. Walmarts whole M.O. Is to lowball suppliers, then helpfully audit thier manufacturing to force them to cut corners. This leads to poor qaulity products, even “b” runs making it to thier shelves. They think thier shoppers are to stupid to return items in significant numbers. A “vizio” tv at Walmart will be visibly crappier in construction than the same model at Costco. They have to send the good ones to Costco. Thier members will bring it right back if it breaks.

    • Johnson

      It is “too,” not “to.”

      • Fred Noonan

        Actually it’s their.
        Not thier.

    • Do you have any facts or links to back that up, or are you talking out your backside?

  • “The gun industry is much better than is used to be, but this remaining sexism needs to be stamped out.”

    This salesperson has earned your (our) wrath, but please, one dude at Walmart isn’t “the gun industry”. Let people know where this store is, post the managers name.

  • Stacy

    Not once in this woman’s drama filled rant is any understanding about how she appeared to be facilitating a straw purchase for her husband. Lady drop the drama, this isn’t even SLIGHTLY about sexism. Your claims are clearly dishonest because I’ll bet the clerk mentioned that you appeared to be doing a straw purchase (something you alluded to when you mentioned “legalities”) and this had NOTHING to do with the clerk thinking you couldn’t handle that gun. COME ON lady. You and your husband created the appearance of a straw purchase. Clearly you made a big loud scene with your incorrect assumption about “sexism” and they wouldn’t sell you the gun BECAUSE YOU APPEARED TO BE A STRAW PURCHASER, and not because you’re “petite young woman” (something that is irrelevant but you want the world to know). I’m so happy for you that your tiny and cute but wake up to the reality that thanks to the BATFE, every gun dealer is terrified to lose his license because of some straw purchaser (as you appeared to be). You admit that your husband was standing there yet all through your drama filled rant you don’t recognize the core: that the refusal of sale had NOTHING to do with your not being able to handle that “big gun,” and everything to do with the fact that you appeared to be a straw purchaser for your husband. Dealers, especially large ones, HAVE TO protect themselves from the BATFE, and thus, they have to be on guard for straw purchasers. Your husband should have just made the purchase and you would have your gun. End of story. You need to accept reality that women are used in almost all straw purchases, and with your husband standing there, it really DID look like he couldn’t pass a background check so he was having you make the purchase. Sweetie this country isn’t as free as it used to be and the BATFE truly IS out to get every gun dealer and destroy them. Drop the drama, focus on the real issue (i.e. the fact that you and your husband truly did create the appearance of a straw purchase), and then you’ll have some credibility (though I won’t hold my breath).

    • The only “drama filled rant” here appears to be yours.

  • evanlmac

    I fully understand the concern of the man selling the gun, and I think gun clerks need to be hyper-aware of what the firearm will be used for and should ask questions. Here’s what I do not understand: if he was concerned about a straw purchase, why didn’t he check the ID oth the husband and do a background check on him too? That would have have solved the entire problem right quick.

    • Except that it isn’t a straw purchase if she’s buying it for her own husband. Or for a friend. Or for anyone else who can otherwise lawfully own a firearm.

      A “straw purchase” is only one where a person knowingly purchases a firearm under FALSE PRETENSES for a person who is otherwise prohibited.

      • ibgemini

        have u ever called for a backgroung ck on anyone? one of their first questions is how many names would u like to ck…

      • ibgemini

        sorry, that was for tom in the next comment

    • Tom

      By federal law, the background check is done on only the purcheser of the firearm.

  • jim doyle

    its a shame that one spouse running out on the other, will use any available weapon;children,government or anything else to batter the other spouse with for the rest of their lives.why cant people just stay married the way they use to in past generations.One man one woman for life.

  • David Townsend

    My wife and I were shocked when we saw this story! Almost the exact same thing happened to us at a westside Walmart located in Evansville, Indiana. I was also with my wife when she tried to buy a Remington 870 shotgun. She filled out all the necessary paperwork and the clerk even got approval to sell the gun from the ATF (a phone call they make). Nonetheless, the clerk accused her of a straw sale and rudely refused to sell the gun. My wife was also interrogated about why she was buying the gun and what she was going to do with it. I was so angry I wrote a letter to the President of Walmart. I got a response in that the manager of that store gave me a phone call but nothing changed; they were just as rude as before and still said they wouldn’t sell the gun to her. No matter, my wife went to a local gun store and bought a better shotgun the same day that Walmart denied her the sale. Now we don’t shop at Walmart anymore.

    • Jim

      They don’t call for “approval” they call to register the gun in your name if you are legally allowed to purchase one. This story is a blatant lie as when he hung up with the ATF the gun is yours legally.

      • sell out

        Jim you are dead wrong. The call is for approval for the sale, not registration. There is no national gun registration, although the dems want it badly. There are 3 answers that the FFL will get, procede, deny, or a temporary hold. It is not to register the firearm.
        Educate yourself before you start posting your ignorance as fact on a public forum.

  • Man Thing

    Hey Folks!! Quit shopping at Wally-werld! Simple as that!

    • Canadrea

      Only in the USA! OMG peeps you can actually buy guns at a WalMart?
      LOL
      What else can you get in a US WalMart? Booze? Yup!

      LMAO at you crazies! Go to Wallyworld to pick up a 6 pack and an Uzi! Yeehaw ‘Merika!

  • Chad

    I think you are all a bunch of losers, especially FFL’s. I am suing an FFL for pulling that crap on me, and any FFL with half a brain should be suing the ATF if the ATF screws with them. I have read many cases about straw purchases, and the ATF bends over backwards to ensure a FFL knows that a purchase is a straw purchase when setting them up. It isn’t a matter of being “subtle”, ATF OVERDOES IT when setting FFL’s up. So, all you whiny FFL’s are just sissy’s, with no knowledge or real understanding of things. Corporations were originally charted in the public interest. I am not sure of current corporate law, but I would consider and investigate suing Walmart. They are not some private store doing private business. They are a corporation that is chartered with an original intent to serve the public, and if they violated those terms, they may be liable. It’s worth looking into.

    • Tom

      As a FFL dealer for 22 years, I have along with many other dealers learned one important thing about the ATF. Unless you plan on going out of business, YOU DO NOT SUE THE BATF. One you do, the next thing happens, is a agent will enter your store , march up to your displayed federal license, take it off the wall, smile at you and walk our the door.
      You might win the court case someday, but until that day happens, you will not sell another firearm. And then when you win, regain your license, it is still a matter of time (usually short) when for a stupid or clerical mistake, your license is taken for the last time. Simply put we have to kiss butt and be run over to keep our license. Part of doing business. Being a gun dealer is simply not like the “outside world”. They say jump, we say how high.

  • DaveR

    People! This is not the place to vent your rage about this issue. Places like this are ONLY here to keep you occupied and out of the way. Go to the WalMart site and vent over there. They WANT you here and not over there. GO OVER THERE!!! These forums are JUST HERE FOR DISTRACTION!!!!

  • Robert Merivel

    Boy, when the financial collapse, followed by the societal collapse, settles in all cozy like, all within the confines of the good old USofA (in the not so distant future), judging by the amount hostility spewing out of the minds of many a gun owner on this blog, there’s gonna’ be (witnessed by those of us who know how to lay low) a whole lot’a kill’n going on.

    • Common Cents

      Use some common sense.

      A NEWBIE who is accompanied by a MILITARY TYPE walks in and wants to buy a powerful weapon.

      As if that isn’t enough – you are a couple, and you appeared inexperienced handling the weapon.

      Unfortunately for every time the person in your shoes genuinely wants to get their own weapon, Twenty other times, the person in your shoes is buying the weapon for their partner to circumvent the rules.

      The fact that this is a complete surprise to you greatly discredits your story. The most generous I can possibly be is to say you were simply extremely naive, and continue believing that you are being 100% honest with us.

      Once again (assuming the story is true) you managed to set off a million “flags”. Maybe this is how you just go through life? If so I am certainly very much in the wrong with the opinion that most can guess by now. It’s really tough to go through life “against the grain”. Good luck either way !

      • SJC

        Common Cents, just thought I’d pop in and give my two (common) cents. The woman appeared inexperienced handling the shotgun. Could this possibly be because she WAS inexperienced handling the shotgun? If I recall the text correctly, which I do, her husband decided on the weapon for her and was going to familiarize her with it on a range somewhere. Perhaps in their own backyard, who knows.

        My point is that the woman WAS inexperienced. To deny sales because of somebody looking too inexperienced to handle the gun is ridiculous. How would people ever get started handling weapons if they can’t even buy their first? If we’re talking about a .50 rifle, okay. That IS too much to handle for newbie shooters. Sure, .12ga kicks, but a rookie shooter overseen by a more experienced shooter can relatively quickly get the hang of it.

  • Common Cents

    (re-posted to comment section)

    Use some common sense.

    A NEWBIE who is accompanied by a MILITARY TYPE walks in and wants to buy a powerful weapon.

    As if that isn’t enough – you are a couple, and you appeared inexperienced handling the weapon.

    Unfortunately for every time the person in your shoes genuinely wants to get their own weapon, Twenty other times, the person in your shoes is buying the weapon for their partner to circumvent the rules.

    The fact that this is a complete surprise to you greatly discredits your story. The most generous I can possibly be is to say you were simply extremely naive, and continue believing that you are being 100% honest with us.

    Once again (assuming the story is true) you managed to set off a million “flags”. Maybe this is how you just go through life? If so I am certainly very much in the wrong with the opinion that most can guess by now. It’s really tough to go through life “against the grain”. Good luck either way !

  • Tchhht!!!

    Well, I guess if Holder or Obama walked in and wanted to purchase 2500 assault weapons there would not have been a problem.

  • Mannie

    Meh. Sounds like it may have been an overly suspicious clerk, but it could have been a straw purchase failure, too. The clerk is responsible if he has strong reason to believe it was a straw purchase.

    Wally World isn’t the only show in town. Buy it from a gun dealer.

    Consumer boycotts and Internet crusades are mainly a waste of electrons.

    • ibgemini

      yes the wm associate is responsible but he still could have denied the sell without all the discriminating crap and scare bluff. the wm associate has the right to choose not to sell a customer a gun period. the customer can go to management and they will likely do the gun sell theirself depending on the associate’s reason for not doing it as long as the backgroung ck gives a proceed. the associate in this case gave me the impression that his way of thinking about women was right out of the 1920’s. if it’d been a smaller sized man wanting to buy the gun he woulda sold it to him no problem guarenteed

  • Josh

    I work there and I can tell you that the story is bull. She said it was for her at first then said it was for her husband before going back to saying it was for her again. The husband said he was from VA then changed his story to he was from CA. It was a straw purchase and within rights to not sell it. Number 2 she was never berated or talked down to because she was a “petite” woman. The husband got into the employees face and started screaming and cussing him out. The manager then escorted them out. No sexism no horrible treatment. The couple are trying to push this into a lawsuit. It was a straw purchase and since neither person could get the same story straight, the associate was in the right. You guys should get both sides of the story before posting this.

  • Mrs. G.

    Due to the poor quality & safety issues of most other products at Wal-Mart, I would not buy a firearm or ammunition from them at all.

    • bob

      well considering that the goddam guns are not put together BY walmart buT Remington S&W,etc they should be fine if you bought a sony tv from walmart and it broke would you blame walmart or sony SONY OF COURSE YOU IGNORANT JACKASS

      • Josh

        Christ Bob, quit acting so damn autistic.
        He’s right to be concerned with the gun quality at Wal-Mart because they have always been pretty unreliable despite having an actual brand name.

        No one ever claimed that Wal-Mart was assembling guns and televisions so calm your autistic ass down.

  • Commoner_Sense

    What I find disturbing in the comments below is that nobody is objecting to the whole premise. My, how far we’ve come.

    Half of you are appalled that the store clerk could treat a customer like a potential criminal (for whatever reason, sexist or not). The other half of you are angry at the customer for not understanding how her situation would raise suspicion. What neither half is questioning is how the government has put us in the position of playing tattler to a nanny state.

    Once upon a time, anybody could buy a gun, and everybody had one. Felons, weirdos, teenagers, whoever. Everybody had guns. What’s the big deal? A line from “The Incredibles” comes to mind: “When everyone’s super, no one will be.” When everybody has guns, guns just aren’t very special or scary anymore.

    Once upon a time, the military sold weapons previously used by soldiers to the general public, just to save a buck. Now we talk about how unthinkable it is to have “military style weapons” in the hands of civilians. At the end of WWII, the Government sold all its surplus M1 Garands and M1 Carbines to troops going home and any civilian who wanted one. The M1 Garand is a semiautomatic assault rifle with an eight round clip that that shoots 30 06 rounds capable of bringing down an elk or a moose. The Carbine is a more portable version with high capacity magazines. Both are FAR more deadly than any AR-15. There was no ensuing mass slaughter of innocents… because they’re just guns.

    I question the whole premise. I question that any FFL process is necessary or even marginally useful. If somebody plunks down some cash on the counter, he should walk away with a gun. Let’s say that this couple had actually been trying to do a straw sale. Wouldn’t it have been smarter for her to just walk in alone and buy it? It would have been so easy to concoct a much better story than this. Straw sales are brain dead simple to do and nearly impossible to detect, so what’s the point anyway? If you suspect something looks fishy, you’re probably not dealing with a hardened criminal who would have had a much slicker story and would have excited less suspicion.

    You can kill a lot more people with fertilizer than a shotgun, but they don’t run background checks at Home Depot. I accept the civilized notion that no respectable retailer should sell anything dangerous, be it an axe, a shotgun, or a bag of fertilizer, to someone who looks disturbed or unbalanced. I DO NOT accept the premise that gun dealers should have to fear repercussions or liability for simply engaging in a simple transaction of goods for cash.

    The government is turning us into stool-pigeons and apes of the state. Look at this situation here. Can’t you see what this has done to us? If this were really a straw sale, the customers wouldn’t be making it public now. If he’s a felon, this story will not go well for them. So why should they be treated this way? It’s appalling and un-American. But it’s not Wal-Mart’s fault. They have to be that careful, because if they aren’t they lose their license to sell. It’s the ATF’s fault, which means it’s the government’s fault, which in turn means that it’s really OUR fault for letting our freedom slip away.

    And all this nonsense on a firearms blog. If this is how a firearms blog talks about this issue… we’re all doomed. Freedom is dead.

  • Sam Suggs

    their is no room for predjudice in our community

  • Like it or not – he had every right to refuse you sale. If a counter guy FEELS as though a straw-purchase is possible, he is legally OBLIGED to not allow the transaction. Get over it. He was covering HIS ass.

  • WalmartSucks

    The exact thing happened to me with my girlfriend a few months back. She was moving out of town and I wanted to get her some protection. We had never heard of a straw transfer before that night. It was possible the clerk just wanted to go home and didn’t want to do the paperwork. It just solidifies to me why I do not shop at Walmart. The customer is always wrong at Walmart as far as my experiences go. If you want to be treated like dirt shop at Walmart. I like shopping at Target. Target has always treated me like a valued customer!!!

  • Bintex Shah

    Winners lose much more often than losers. So if you keep losing but you’re still trying, keep it up! You’re right on track.

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  • Bintex Shah

    Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation.

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