Trigger Guard Concept

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Strike Industries asked me if I would be willing to post this sketch of a AR-15 trigger guard concept and ask the TFB audience what they thought of the idea. Sound off in the comments.

I am happy to post product concepts on the blog for any gun company, as long as the concept is a novel idea and is either a firearm, a firearm part or something that attaches to a firearm (and I am strict about these requirements).

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  • Ross

    I think it’s interesting. I’d need to see it drawn installed on a built lower. I’m not too sure about the lower fins, and it depends on how high the upper fins actually protrude. I definitely understand the purpose of the concept, though: keep stuff off the bang button that ain’t sposed’ta be there.

  • http://taprackbangcreative.com Josh

    We discussed an idea like this quite a few years ago. It was shot down because of the popular training regiment of keeping your trigger finger up on the receiver, and not that close to the trigger guard. Not necessarily right or wrong, just sayin’. Personally, I agree with not wanting trigger fingers resting on the trigger guard. Looks cool though, and that’s half the battle.

  • charles222

    Eh…nah. Your trigger finger just sort of rests there in my experience; no need for a prop.

  • Anthony

    I find this intriguing. I already rest my finger on my trigger guard when it’s off the trigger. However, this does two things for me:

    1. Gives me a sturdy place to rest my finger when acquiring a target.

    2. Allows me to maintain a firm grip on my pistol grip. When I go to rest my finger on the guard, I have to loosen my grip because there is a chance my finger will slip and hit the trigger. This will allow me maintain a firm grip without worrying about an accidental discharge.

    This is perfect for me. TAKE MY MONEY! Serious note, I’m interested and I’d like to handle it and test it to see how well it integrates into my AR platform.

  • Gidge

    I like it. Looks to be a comfortable and natural place to rest your finger.

  • http://harqueb.us harqueb.us

    Needs a quad rail.

  • lol wut

    That comment was bad and you should feel bad.

    That being said, I naturally index my finger on the receiver, so I wouldn’t have a reason to buy this trigger guard. My $.02.

  • derekb

    As a way to generate a solid, tactile off-the-trigger location for finger index, it seems like a good idea.

    • Zermoid

      I just wonder if it would be in the way if you needed to get your finger on the trigger “RIGHT NOW!”?

  • Andrew

    Looks like if the shooter is wearing a glove there is a slight chance of getting it stuck between the guard and the trigger. Maybe if instead you make the actual guard thicker and put a curved relief into it to allow a comfortable place to rest your trigger finger.

  • http://gunbot.org Loke

    putting the finger straight along the trigger guard is too low and might cause the operator to accidentally engage the trigger. Having the finger straight alone the frame is much more natural and safer.

    It is also slower. dropping the finger from the frame is much quicker and having to raise the finger, clear the “leaf” of the guard, and engage the trigger.

    • Zermoid

      Yes, I too prefer to hold my finger above the trigger.

      Guess the question is how many actually use the triggerguard as a finger rest in the first place?

  • Joe

    I assume that the top of the rest is below the lowest point of the trigger, if not, it looks like it would rub on the bottom of your finger.

    In addition, I’m use to moving my finger straight down from the receiver to the trigger. If I were to move it from the trigger guard to the trigger, I’d want to move it straight up and down, not pull it out, up and back in.

  • JRKey

    I think the concept has great potential. I would love to see the prototype beyond the sketch. I defiantly want to run through trigger drills and see how it feels.

  • KC

    personally I think the top quarter of the finger index position should be shaved down slightly so that you don’t have to “swoop” your finger into the trigger guard too much, but really that’s just because I’m looking at it, not felling/using it. might not be necessary to make those changes

    if I were the guy that’s building this, I’d try and build a metal or maybe even wood prototype and see if it needs work on the actual design

  • jay1975

    I am not digging this. As already mentioned before, it looks like it could be a problem while wearing gloves. After having patroled with an M4 in Iraq for a couple of tours, indexing on the receiver just seems natural as well as being good for muscle memory to reach the mag release quicker.

  • Tinkerer

    You seem to have misplaced your internet shortcuts. The place you’re looking for is http://boards.4chan.org/k/

  • Frank

    Other than increasing speed and reducing drag I don’t really see why anyone would need this.

    But if someone manages to market “trigger guard tactile indexing” as more tactical and supinated, some people will buy it.

  • Nicks87

    I would have to pass since I’m used to having my finger above the trigger instead of below but it might work for some people.

    It might be a good idea for new shooters that have a problem with keeping their finger off the trigger, kinda like training wheels. ;)

  • Adam

    Interesting. Could be useful with a BAD Lever type bolt release. I’d like to see a 3D print, or at least a CAD file. There could be an issue with wearing gloves tough, most modern trigger are shaped to provide more space in the trigger area – that requires testing.

  • http://www.youtube.com/80spodcastchannel nature223

    Loose the upper part that intrudes in to the path of your trigger finger…recoil making your finger ride the travel path on the side of your finger will become sore after awhile.
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    looks cool though, I like the fact you take the reference position into account

  • Red

    I do not own an AR but I absolutely love this idea. Trigger discipline is by far the biggest issue I have when I go to the range or I am around other hunters. They don’t exercise it at all and their fingers sit inside the trigger guard. I can’t tell you how many times there have been accidental discharges that I have witnessed because of people’s poor trigger discipline.

    I have thought for awhile that it is because there’s not a proper place to rest one’s finger. It either rests on the guard itself or on the receiver of the weapon. With this concept art it shows that now there’s a proper place to put your trigger finger.

    However… In a situation where you need to access the trigger quickly how long would it take to pull your finger off this rest and put it on the trigger? Half a second? That’s far too long of a time. The top ridges look like I’d have to push my finger out and then up or pull it up and in on the trigger. That may take too much time if it’s a defense situation or a hunting situation where you need to access that trigger quickly. I’d like to see something with a more rounded top edge that you can roll off quickly and gain trigger access.

    I love the idea, keep up the good work Strike Industries and thank you Firearm blog.

    • jay1975

      I think this would actually encourage bad habits as a shooter trained on this device would index their finger closer to the trigger of a firearm without such a device. Now the new shooter will rest their finger closer to, if not on, the trigger of every firearm they handle after this one since they will build the habit of indexing along, rather than above, the trigger.

      • http://pc3c.org/ Gregory Markle

        The natural extension of that is what happens if the individual, for whatever reason, has to use a more or less plain vanilla rifle that does not have this mod? I tend to like mods that while enhancing to usability of the weapon do NOT change the manual of arms. Anything you put on the rifle should absolutely mimic the operation of an unmodified weapon as much as possible. I generally only break this with ambidextrous controls because they really make sense and SHOULD be standard.

  • GreenPlease

    As long as it doesn’t interfere with the ingress and egress of the finger to the trigger… I love it! Great idea.

  • Mouse

    I don’t know. I personally feel like I might hit the protrusions on top. It looks cool, but I think I would prefer the basic flat or curved trigger guard present on most modern rifles. I just don’t see the benefits.

  • Brian P.

    It looks interesting, but I wouldn’t buy it unless there was some significant advantage to it over a regular trigger guard.

  • Mike

    Nice. Hollywood armorers gonna love it.

  • http://pc3c.org/ Gregory Markle

    I think it places the trigger finger almost exactly where I wouldn’t want it. When with a rifle (or just not firing) I index my finger above the trigger opening which is pretty much universal. While moving the “bounce” from the rifle tends to be more pronounced in a downward direction (gravity is funny like that) which means that my finger tends to move AWAY from the trigger. Placing the finger on a rest below the opening means the bouncing motions would tend to move the rifle down and your finger toward the opening…with any slips, near drops, and panic clutch situations being FAR more likely to result in a finger ending up on the trigger. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

    Looks like a solution lacking a problem or, as we say around here, “if it isn’t broken, fix it until it is.”

  • Nadnerbus

    Nifty idea, and I like the thought behind it, but I don’t think I would have any use for it myself. I hold the rifle with my index finger straight across the trigger guard opening, top of the finger along the bottom of the receiver/trigger opening and the tip of my index finger resting on the rear portion of the mag well side. An added benefit of this is that I only have to contract my finger to instantly slide it into the trigger guard when I intend to shoot.

    To use this product, I’d have to kind of awkwardly move my finger down in an unnatural angle and actually lose some of the contact I have with the rifle (top of the index finger along the receiver.)

    I guess it could just be a training issue, but I don’t really see how this would offer a large advantage. My CMMG .308 lower has a finger tip rest machined into the back side of the mag well to index your finger into while holding with proper trigger discipline. I really love that feature, and sort of addresses the same concept of a lack of designed-in space for a straight trigger finger.

  • http://strikeindustries.com Strike Industries

    Guys, Thanks for your comments! There will be more features on this small trigger guard, includes magwell (mag guide) and others. We are making a few RP now and will send to our Marine friends and USPSA members to T&E. We love to have 2 ways communications with you guys! Thanks Steve at TFB for giving us this great opportunity!

  • Mike

    This would seem to put a shooter’s trigger finger in a spot where it would be too easy for the sympathetic grasp reflex to cause a finger-on-the-trigger problem. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the three-gun league I shoot with ban these things if someone brings one.

  • http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.de/2012/04/crazy-gun-related-stuff.html S O

    A trigger guard has to meet two requirements in addition to mere safety in my opinion:

    (1) Be comfortable with straight index finger, in order to make finger discipline sympathetic. The new Italian assault rifle form Beretta is exemplary in this regard; a straight index finger is a pleasure with it.

    (2) Be still useful with thick winter gloves. Some Russian and Finnish designs show how it’s done; extremely wide trigger guards or easily exchangeable trigger guards (normal summer and wide winter version).
    Finally, there’s this extreme example: http://world.guns.ru/machine/fi/valmet-kvkk-62-e.html

  • gunslinger

    interseting idea. i like the idea of having a “dedicated” trigger finger rest area, but as others have pointed out there are a lot of questions about this.

    how many people did you test with the idea? did you get a bunch of people and see where they placed their finger? i can see some lay straight across the TG, some go down and some go up.

    may need a larger focus group? i’d love to try it though.

  • alannon

    As drawn, it seems like a gimmick looking for something to solve; everyone I know with an AR rests their finger on the mag release. Also, the upper bit would, it seems to me, tend to cover parts of the trigger (especially if you were in gloves, or just had large fingers).

    That said, if they deleted/abbreviated the upper bit, and instead of attaching to a trigger guard made it an extension of the bolt-release, I could see that being picked up pretty commonly. As a trigger guard gimmick, I don’t see it catching on; as a pretty bolt release that also serves as a finger rest, it might do better.

  • Doug

    I think regardless of whether it’s propper or not to rest your finger on the trigger guard, people seem to be getting along fine without it. We have enough $20+ mods to choose from. It looks like from the comments that there’s a potential market, but I won’t be buying one.

  • Andre’

    I dont like how it blocks the trigger vertically. I index above the trigger guard and thiat seems like it would get in the way and/or be uncomfortable.

  • Leo Atrox

    I don’t expect that this design would hurt the trigger finger. The dip of the trigger guard would place the top edge of the index point in line with the standard M4/M16 trigger guard anyway. That said, any potential problems might be resolved by just making the thing beefier. Straigten out the top portion of the tigger guard so that it is straight accross. Then there simply won’t be a raised portion that could rub on a person’s finger. Yes, you lose some “heavy glove” accommodation; but for 99% of shooters, they don’t really need that anyway.

  • RollButt

    It may get in the way to the trigger; especially in the surprise situation; this may cost your life.

  • 2Wheels

    Nah… Better to have your finger along the frame/reciever of the gun, rather than the bottom of the trigger guard.

    But, I bet people will pay money for something like this to reinforce their bad habits.

  • Mike Knox

    not a good idea to market a product conceived from training scars and malpractice..

  • John

    Not a good idea at all. having your finger down on the bottom of the trigger guard is bad form if you ask me. Its just asking for a ND. Part of the main firearm safety rule is “Keep your finger straight and off the trigger”. With your finger down there its already starting to curl. Start running and gunning with your finger there and dont be shocked if your finger slips into the trigger. Then, why would you want part of the guard protruding into the trigger guard space? Just not for me, and I be you a million dollars none of the guys who I would ever train with would buy this….. Sorry

  • David

    Seems like it would block too much access to the trigger.

  • MattInTheCouv

    I tend to agree with others that in its presented configuration it *may* cause a slightly greater tendency to accidentally move the trigger finger inside the trigger guard in a panic or awkward situation (like hitting the muzzle against an unexpected obstacle while moving). Now, with that being said, this drawing sparked a separate idea in me for having a similar trigger guard except with only 1 of those 4 ‘wings’ on it, the one that’s located on the upper support hand side (and having it not flare ‘out’, just up). This seems like it may help prevent ND’s by making the trigger less accessible to non-finger trigger pulls. Anybody who has had to have an M4/M16 family weapon slung to the front of them with a vest/carrier packed with MOLLE loops and/or gear may be able to recall a time or two when a piece of gear inadvertently actuated the selector lever from safe to fire. Then, if some similar piece of gear gets hung up on the trigger… Now, while I’ve never seen an ND/AD caused by this, I’m sure it has happened. Seems like if that wing helped to keep pouch flaps/550/etc from maybe being able to sneak out there and grab ahold of a trigger, it would be worth it, and it should have zero interaction with the trigger finger of one’s primary shooting hand.

    p.s. if you make it… i want royalties! kidding…but no, really…i want ‘em

  • john

    make it “free float” aka rails on that thing so that pple can adjust the length of contact on it, pple are built different

    also,use 3 designs,
    one minimal for lightwight tactical usage
    one regular for regular users,
    one extra large/supportive for bench shooters

  • Reverend Clint

    truthfully where i live we dont shoot with gloves so trigger guards arnt a big deal and like said before i put my finger on the reciever

  • targ8ter

    When I have my finger off the trigger, my right hand is using about 3.5 fingers to control the weapon. The index finger is sort of holding on, but not really. This trigger guard would give the index finger some more vertical leverage, but as has been pointed out, it puts the finger exactly where you don’t want it. It did me an idea, though: I’m planning on putting a little square of skate tape on the receiver to give a little more grip to that extended trigger finger.

  • Squidpuppy

    The idea that there’s no “need” for a trigger finger prop / rest is true, but that doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be one; usefulness is the criterion. Finger grooves, thumb divots, etc. were once considered unnecessary, but it’s become clear they greatly facilitate handling.

    The argument that placement may cause the trigger finger to engage the trigger might be a reasonable thought, but I expect in practice, with the actual device, the flanges top and bottom canting outward may be enough to discourage an accidental slip. It probably takes active intent to move the finger out of that resting position.

    The one possible ergonomic nit is that the angle of engagement for the index finger may be too low. I always rest my trigger finger above the the trigger guard along the receiver, not below. This feels comfortable and natural, so perhaps the rest should be above, with a more pronounced lower flange jutting out at a higher angle.

    This would do a number of things: retain the finger and prevent accidental slippage, and require more active intent to engage the trigger (both possibly already accomplished in the current design), but it could also prevent too much interference when the trigger is engaged, and provide a clearer path to muscle training for trigger control.

    Who knows but we won’t see this kind of thing as standard on firearms of the future?

  • Ian

    Cool, even though KAC beat you guys by about five years.

  • Sam Suggs

    needs to jut out more the rest I mean sorry couple of beers deep