Glock Sues Importer of Zoraki M917

Glock is suing Maxwell Corp, the importers of the Zoraki M917 blank firing pistol, for trade dress infringement.

Zoraki M917, photo from Replicaairguns.com

Vico Confino has put up a website giving his side of the story and pleading with Glock to settle out of court. Vico says …

MAXSELL CORP. has been sued by Glock, Inc in a lawsuit claiming that the M917 Zoraki is in violation of their trade dress protection. Maxsell countered that it disagrees and the M917 is a blank starter gun described in US Code as a non-gun. It has been approved by BATFE for sale in the USA. It is NOT a firearm. A trial will be held in Georgia, in front of a Georgia judge, prosecuted by Georgia attorneys and heard by a Georgia jury. I must hire a Georgia lawyer. I have spoken with a Glock attorney in an attempt to settle and he replied, “You have broken the law, and I will see that you are punished”. He went on to threaten me, “I do not like you and I am going to destroy you”. I tried to negotiate with another Glock attorney and he said, “I am going to sue you personally”. He did on July 28, 2012. (more legal fees) I was sent an email by a third Glock attorney who said, that my comments were “false, retaliatory and actionable”. (more legal fees) The Glock attorneys have already billed $28,000 in legal fees and have not made one bonafide attempt to make a demand or settle. I have spent 25 years of my life in building a Better Business Bureau Rated A+ company. At 79, they cannot hurt me anymore than they already have. My physical and mental health is being destroyed. I cannot eat, I cannot sleep or eat a decent meal. I am on medication for depression and cannot enjoy my family life.

I cannot see how anyone could confuse the Zoraki M917 with a Glock. The manufacturer seems to have gone to great lengths to ensure that it would not be confused with a Glock. To me it looks like a pistol with the same ergonomics as a Glock, nothing more. Nobody is going to walk into a gun shop looking to buy a 9mm Glock and walk out with a blank firing replica thinking they have bought a Glock.

In 2010 Glock sued Austrian Sporting Arms and ISSC Handels GmbH for trade dress infringement. It was settled out of court.



Steve Johnson

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  • Reverend Clint

    Glock… the Apple of firearms

    • john

      Nah, that goes to HK

      • Cameron

        There shouldn’t be any down votes, you’re both right. Fine guns, but somewhat snooty and overly possessive companies.

  • Schlumper

    To the untrained eye, it does look quite a bit like a Glock, but is there any part of the Glock’s appearance that isn’t functionally significant in some way?

  • Sean

    Who WON’T Glock sue?

    • James

      Nobody

      • mosinman

        Nobody should be careful too, they’ll be after him next!

  • NickB

    Shhhhh guys……… don’t say anything or you might get sued

    • fred johnson

      Oooops. Too late. 😀

  • fred johnson

    Looks like a Glock to me. A customized Glock, but a Glock nonetheless.

  • robert

    you are high. that looks like a glock with a few small changes.

  • Daniel

    How can you say that doesn’t look like a Glock? When I first saw the post without reading the headline or post text I thought “Well that’s a shiny Glock.” My money says the guy designed it to resemble a Glock while not being classified as a firearm so he could sell more to the folks who want to pretend they have a Glock but can’t get their hands on a real one for one reason or another.

  • Jay

    Glock is the Volkswagen Beatle of handguns… Reliable, durable, and totally devoid of any visually pleasing features…

    • lolinski

      but VW Beetles are classy cars and look decent while the glock his uncomfortable(talking about the grip) and looks like roadkill(it doesnt have any nice aesthetics)

  • Nathaniel

    Glock can be a real dick sometimes.

    I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t really know anything about trade dress law, but it seems to be one thing if you have a very distinctive looking product and someone copies it, and quite another if you have a product in the shape of a rounded rectangle, and someone copies it.

    Now all Glock needs to do is sue Apple for trade dress infringement.

    • Garrett

      Trade dress infringement is on the basis of “It looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then it must be a duck”. If something looks like a product, performs like said product, and it is not made by the OEM, then it is a trade dress infringement.

      Glock USA sued KWA industries for their Glock airsoft replica around 5 years ago. I could understand it because they used highly realistic trades on the slides without paying royalties, but the whole trade dress thing really is just the fuel for the fire.

      I am just now really getting heavily into handguns. I personally will not be buying a Glock pistol if they keep doing stupid shit like this. Looks like there does not exist a line in their heads between ‘professional’ and ‘go fuck yourself.’

      • Radix

        KWA airsoft trainers did not have any realistic trades. However, they were exact replica of the Glock models. And according to Glock, being exact replicas is a clear violation of their trade dress even if they are not classified as firearms.

        BTW, KWA was never sued by Glock (no public records). They were sent a C&D letter which they complied to avoid costly court fees.

      • Garrett

        I’m pretty sure there were models that had the Glock ‘G’ and other writing on the slide for realism. I believe they had two models, one with and one without trades, each costing a different amount. It has been awhile since though, and my memory might be fuzzy.

        I thought it was just the threat of going to court which prompted them to just not produce the replicas anymore. You can’t even get them overseas anymore. Only TM, KJW, WE, and others remain, and they just disassemble them to classify them as ‘parts’.

        Regardless, the fact still remains, Glock does not want ANYONE or ANYTHING to replicate their design. At least H&K worked with companies (through UMAREX) to properly offer fully trademarked replicas and airsoft trainers.

      • Fyrewerx

        KSC is making them again, without the “G” symbol. I just received my new G19, direct from China, on Thursday. Side by side with my real Glock 19, other than the “G” symbol, very hard to tell the difference. Even the weight of the pistol, and the magazine, are the same.

  • Variance

    Maybe if they weren’t too occupied with suing everybody they could, Glock would actually come out with a new gun for once…

  • Wow. I love Glocks, and I can see the resemblance here, but the product is not a firearm, and the “I will destroy you” comment is quite mean. Golden Rule living Glock… It’s the good way to live.

  • lex

    Its profile is almost exactly the same as a Glock. That doesn’t happen by accident.

    I can understand being freaked out by the lawsuit but whoever was in charge of this was being absurd if they thought Glock wasn’t going to get in very angry contact with them.

  • Munkfish

    What, because they made the slide out of square stock? When did the rectangle become trade dress? I’m going to go copyright the circle and then sue tire manufacturers and the sun.

    I think this action is more likely to loose business for Glock than to preserve it.

    • mosinman

      dont forget anyone who makes a round pizza!

  • Jon

    This guy’s either making stuff up to win sympathy points or is an awful businessman.

    1. Even blank firing guns have high shoot your eye out potential. It would be insane to sell one without a corporation or other limited liability vehicle. He should never be in a position to be sued personally.

    2. He should have had an IP lawyer review the product before sales. Trademark, design patents, utility patents are all things he could infringe on, not just Glock’s IP too. Sounds like he never thought of this.

    3. $28K of legal fees is what you pay to go to trial. A competent lawyer would tell him it’s an empty threat and make empty threats back. Why hasn’t he gotten one yet?

    4. Never take business, especially law personally. Business is the art of spending other people’s money. See 1. Corporations get sued all the time. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

    • Alpheus

      1. I don’t see why it should matter, if you have a corporation or not: if you have a small business, and are being sued, that could be enough to destroy the business, even if the lawsuit doesn’t destroy your personal life.

      2. Do you really expect me to believe it’s reasonable for a gun seller to check the IP of every gun model he wants to sell? *Especially* when it’s technically the responsibility of gun manufacturers to worry about those things?

      3. Empty threats sometimes go to trial; and even if you don’t go to trial, you *still* have to pay the lawyer something. Paying a lawyer doesn’t come cheap!

      4. Do you really expect me to believe that it’s reasonable for *every* business to expect to get sued? If that were the case, then there’s no room for small business whatsoever! And this is particularly annoying, because all businesses have to start out somewhere, and a large number of them start out small–indeed, *very* small.

      Overall, this should be yet another example of how “Intellectual Property” laws DO NOT protect the “little guy”; it only establishes a way for the Big Dogs to go after the little puppies. This is yet another example of why everyone would be better off if we were to just scrap Intellectual Property law altogether!

      • Jon

        1. It shouldn’t destroy your personal life. That’s the point. Betting your savings and health on selling a product is like betting your house in Vegas. Not a prudent choice.

        2. He’s not an ordinary seller, he’s an importer. As the importer you are responsible for complying with US law, IP, safety and otherwise. This is the job definition of an importer. IP law is different in other countries and the manufacturer may not be breaking any laws.

        3 and 4. Cost of doing business. There’s no inherent right of small businesses to participate. For example, it costs over $5 Billion to build a plant to make microchips. Therefore small business can never manufacture microchips. Is that unfair?

        Besides, this is a case where the issue is the gun looks like a Glock. Can somebody build a blank gun with a round slide? Absolutely. Nobody said he needed to import this model. He should have known what he’s getting into.

        Apparently you advocate a Chinese IP system where it’s simply easier to copy other products. Let’s do that and watch innovation grind to a halt in this country.

    • Anon

      Anyone can sue and threaten frivolous lawsuits, regardless of personal liability or corporate ownership. If GLOCK wants to burn large piles of Benjies for the sheer joy of intimidating random people, their lawyers certainly won’t say no to the prospect of more fees. It might conceivably come back to bite them if it ever makes it before a judge, but just getting to that point will devastate almost anyone’s finances.

  • Tony

    It’s actually a safer design (XD?, wink, wink…)

  • dallasdeadeye

    can we sue glock for lazyiness. get off your asses and create not destroy.

  • creamsoda09

    I think it looks like a glockish pistol. And maybe enough of a resemblence for glock to be pissed. But not enough to go ahead and sue the hell out of somebody. Because in the end its not a real gun. Imagine if it was Chinese. The officials would say oh we don’t see a resemblance we should ask them to make more….

  • Fred

    LOL
    Apple and Glock should get together and have a party… Or have they already?

  • lrdr

    Should probably change ‘Glock sues maker of etc.’ to ‘Glock sues importer of etc.’ in the title to more accurately reflect what’s actually happening here, Zoraki being a Turkish company and all.

  • Lemming

    “I am going to destroy you.”

    Who else read that in Darth Vader’s voice?

    • charles222

      “Don’t make me destroy you, as Austrian Sporting Arms did.”

      • mosinman

        you dont know the power of Glock’s side!

    • Hello Lemming,
      If you think that comment was not nice, I have saved the worst for last.
      When I testify in front of a jury I will reveal the other Glock attorney’s
      veiled threats that will make the jury’s mouths drop.
      I am not dead yet.
      Vico Confino
      Maxsell Corp.

      • Mike

        Knock’em dead, Vico. That corporate bullying makes me sick, be it Apple, Glock, H&K or RIAA. I hope the court slaps some sense into those goons.

  • Nick Pacific

    Out of all the drama, the article, and the comments, one thing truly bothers me. What is going on with that thumb depression? Whoever was the model for the grip needs to see a doctor.

  • So, when has Glock sued Diamondback Firearms? If not, why not?

  • Fyrewerx

    I guess I’ve bought my last Glock. Besides, there’s plenty of good American made pistols of similar design now.

  • Will
    • DW

      That’s Taiwan, NOT China.

  • Anthony

    Maybe to you some of you all it looks like a Glock, but as soon as I saw it I noticed things that weren’t right.

    1. It has a grip safety.
    2. The slide release.
    3. The take-down lever.
    4. The trigger guard.
    5. The trigger itself.
    6. The magazine.
    7. The patterns on the grip.

    The only claim Glock MAY have is that it’s a rectangle with a handle. However, in that case, anyone who was ever a kid and made a toy “gun” out of two pieces of wood is in trouble. I can’t wait for Glock to get counter-sued on this one!

    • Hello Anthony,
      Yesterday I spoke with 5 Intellectual Property malpractice attorneys.
      They want a retainer of $10,000 to take the case and estimate the suit
      will cost upwards of $100,000 to get to a jury.
      Not as easy as most gun owners think.
      Vico Confino
      Maxsell Corp.

  • Good morning Steve,
    It is now 9:35 AM here in sunny Florida.
    I have been up most of the night researching for material that will end this
    situation I am trapped in.
    Is there a way that I can respond to the naysayers en masse.
    a) I am not the manufacturer
    b) The manufacturer is Atak Zoraki in Turkey
    c) Glock trade dress rights are only valid in the USA
    d) I tried to cooperate with Glock attorneys.
    e) Glock attorneys have refused to negotiate
    f) Glock attorneys have to stop billing legal fees if they settle
    g) Why have Glock attorneys sued me personally. ( more legal fees)
    h) Why would I risk losing a 25 year established business for 1 M917
    i) I would go to trial tomorrow if Glock attorneys would agree.
    j) They will not agree because they will lose.
    There is so much more to this lawsuit than the Glock-o-Holics know about
    and jump to a mistaken conclusion.
    I am just tired of reading all those misinformed comments.
    Vico
    Here is what I found last night and I am not computer ltierate
    Crossman T4
    HA-119 American Airsoft
    Tippman Air Soft
    ISSC M22
    SA-XD Springfield Armory
    Gamo
    SIDE BAR
    I spoke with an Intellecutal Property mal-practice attorney yesterday.
    I asked his hourly fee. He hesitated and said $700 an hour
    Sort of apologetically he added.
    “I couldn’t afford to hire myself if I needed a lawyer”
    Nuff sed

    • Phil White

      This sounds like something straight from Gaston. If any one has any industry ties then you know how hum—unique he is:-)

      This entire lawsuit smells of “i’m going to teach you a lesson for others to take note of”.

      In answer to your question most readers will see your comment.

      I’m very sorry you are going through this trial——

    • Zermoid

      If it is manufactured in Turkey and the law only affects the US is that not a defense? If you didn’t make it then why are you being sued? They should have to go after the manufacturer, no?

  • ChuckyTee

    my coworker:a glock with a grip safty? Thats different.
    me:its not a glock
    coworker:well it sure looks like one,,,,

    and thats it,,,it looks like one,,, say it again,,,looks like one. I bet if I show it to my customers, most if not all will think its a glock.

  • First, I seriously doubt, that Glock’s attorneys threatened Mr. Confino.

    Trade Dress Protection came about from the preponderance of knockoffs streaming in from China and being sold domestically or overseas markets, under private labels. It was codified in Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act, which creates a federal cause of action for unfair competition. It’s broad in that protections granted go beyond registered trademarks and include shape, color, physical appearance, texturing, etc. ; in any combination.

    The issue is not that someone would confuse it with a Glock but rather that Maxsell intentionally used protected art to add to the appeal or marketability of their Zoraki M917.

  • Sean

    If anyone wants to contact someone at Glock about this that’s a decent person, get ahold of Chad Mathis. His e-mail address is chad.mathis@glock.us.

    He is the Operations Manage and Vice President in the US and a nice guy.

    • Sean

      Obviously, fellow firearm blog folks, please be civil if you decide to contact him.

      • Phil White

        Agreed please be civil with any contacts with Glock. Anger will get you nowhere.

      • D

        I have the sneaking suspicion that kindness won’t get you anywhere either in this case.

        Even if they dropped the case tomorrow, the guy’s still out legal fees and still had to endure the stress and disruption of an obviously bogus case. Glock, meanwhile, can just go about it’s business like nothing happened.

        Civility and anger in a situation like this are as irrelevant as the color of your car when you drive off a cliff: no matter what happens, the end result’s the same.

  • keith

    The only real good reason I can see would be if some(DUMB)one used a loade glock mag in the blank pistol or blank pistol mag in e Glock and someone got hurt andtried to sue Glock, it would cost Glock alot. This is what things come to with out of control litigation

    • ducky

      The mags don’t fit vice versa.
      The 9mm P.A. blank magazine is shorter front to back due to the shorter blank shell. So no existing Glock mag would fit into the Zoraki mag well.
      The Zoraki mag wouldn’t lock in the Glock mag well and even if would have several mm play in all directions.
      The 9mm P.A. blank cartridge has a slightly smaller diameter (9.40/9.50mm) and is a bit longer (22.10/17.30mm) than even the weakest/smallest Glock factory calibre .380ACP. And max. gas pressure for the 9mm P.A. blank is 400bar compared to 1350bar at the .380ACP.
      So even if you would manage to fire the 9mm P.A. blank in a .380ACP or 9mm Luger gun – no damage would occur.
      And no live Glock calibre would fit into the 9mm P.A. blank chamber so couldn’t be fired mistakenly.

      • keith

        Show me a round hole and an idiot with a square peg and I’ll show you an accident in progress

        • JL Griffin

          ducky. you are actually incorrect. i own a zoraki 917 and 918 (the m9 blank gun) for use in youtube videos, and in both replicas i can not only fit a .380, but also chamber it. i wouldnt be dumb enough to fire it, but after everyone saying you couldnt do it, i decided to try, and in fact, you can. it will not chamber a 9mm because the round is too wide by just a hair, but they do fit in the mag as well.

  • Patrick

    As much as I think Glock went overboard to say the least, this definitely looks like a Glock to me. I had a similiar reaction as Daniel said above me, I thought “ooh that’s a shiny Glock, cool!” Also remember most people uninformed about guns recognize Glocks, and therefore would probably mistake it for a Glock.

  • boskone

    Aside from a few similarities to a Glock, I don’t see it. Sure, the silhouette is the same…but to be fair, how many guns in silhouette could we recognize? How many, say, pump shotties would look the same?

    It’s functionally different from a Glock, it’s aesthetically different from a Glock, it’s a different market than the Glock.

    The reasons that Glock make their guns the way they do are pretty universal; square slides are easy and cheap, grip ergonomics are based on the shape of the hand (I don’t like Glock ergo, fwiw), triggers can only really be built one way, etc.

    And fighting these lawsuits is _expensive_. Just look at the costs required to fight off Apple’s attack lawyers; I can’t imagine a company that makes starter pistols having the wherewithal to deal with this kind of thing without a pretty absolute assurance of victory; even a win that leaves them holding the bag could ruin them.

    • boskone

      A few marginal similarities, that is.

  • Neez

    From 5 feet away, looks like a glock to me. It would take someone more than a few seconds upon walking up on the gun to realize it’s not a glock. So that to me shows they copied the design. It wouldn’t take me more than a second to see that an M&P, XDM etc….. are not glocks, that’s immediately apparent.

    I really don’t feel sorry for this guy. He knew the implications when he created this gun, he’s just trying to reneg on his work now that’s he’s being sued. He designed a cool starter pistol to look like a glock. He can’t deny that, he should have made it look different from prior art. But in fact, i believe he designed it to look as close as possible to use glock’s popularity to bolster his sales. That’s very apparent and clear. Glock rightfully should sue him. It’s not ok to steal from a company just because they are corporate giants. Stealing is stealing.

    • Phil White

      You might want to reconsider your opinion after you read the information closely.

      Steve wrote on the second line that the gentleman is the importer only. The item in question was designed and made in Turkey.

      • Komrad

        That, and trade dress infringement requires it to function the same way, which this does not as it fires no projectile.
        This brings up the question why Glock isn’t suing other blank and flash paper gun manufacturers.

  • Bob Z Moose

    Glock,
    You’ve lost a customer today, I’m sorry to say. I’ve long admired the Glock pistol and the influence it’s had on the shooting industry as a whole, but this is taking it too far. I could see going after ISSC (every gunwriter and their grandma said it was a perfect trainer for a Glock shooter), but this is ridiculous. I don’t see Colt, S&W, and a bevy of other manufacturers going after IMPORTERS of blank guns. I’ve always wanted a Glock 20, but I guess I have to go with a EAA Witness now. It’s obvious that you’ve gone somewhat ape s*** over a nothing matter. Anyone with half a brain would know that Glocks don’t have grip safeties and know that the Tenifer finish on a Glock isn’t shiny. Aftermarket finishes aside, Glocks are never that shiny. Looking at the details of the pistol, only the most uneducated person would think this is a real Glock handgun. It really makes me sad to see that you have to resort to this for whatever reason. Let the man have his life back and move on to bigger matters. Please.

    Sincerely,
    A Concerned Gun Nut

    • Gidge

      Tanfoglio (Also sold as EAA Witness) make very nice guns. You won’t regret it. I’m about to order a Stock 3

      • Bob Z Moose

        @komrad @Phil @Gidge Thanks, I’ve always wondered about the EAA. Being a CZ75 clone (CZ, please don’t sue), therefore the 10mm version being a continuation of the Bren 10 legacy (they’re too broke to sue) I’ve always wondered if it would have the same problems as the Bren 10 with full house loads. Always wanted a 10mm for the ballistics/mag capacity combo. Got to get the gun fund going now… 😀

    • Komrad

      I’ve been looking at EAAs too. If you want 10mm, from what I gather, you need to get a Macth or better and some heavier springs from Wolff otherwise, you’ll get frame and slide cracking.

    • Phil White

      Good choice on the EAA!

    • W

      good, dont buy their products then. im sure you would be okay with privately owning your own gun company to have people copying it; even if they are blank firing replicas or airsoft guns.

      • Bob Z Moose

        Actually, I would (for the blank firing and airsoft guns). It would basically be free advertising for my products. If the blank firing guns and airsoft guns proved popular enough, I’m sure there would be some crossover sales for my real, actually firing guns. But this doesn’t really follow as far as this case is concerned. Maxwell Corp’s blank gun is different enough not to confuse consumers and is meant for an entirely different market. The market for this pistol is meant to be low budget movie and stage productions that can’t afford to hire a big Hollywood armorer for their production. I’m not seeing how this cuts into Glock’s market share at all. Glock, in my humble opinion, is just trying to play the big bully on the block to scare little manufacturers and importers. Kinda sad.

  • Gidge

    This lawsuit is about intimidation, nothing more. They’ve decided to make an example of this poor guy to demonstrate how ruthless they are so that nobody will go near anything that looks like a Glock made by anybody else.

    The Zoraki M917 is visually significantly different to the Glock. The slide is a similar shape (with a very different finish) and the receiver is made of some form of plastic but that’s it.

  • Komrad

    Why are they only going after these guys? Why not all the other flash paper, airsoft, and blank firing Glock lookalikes out there?

    Glock may be testing the water against a company that can’t defend itself to see if they could win a case like this.

    • Mike

      Actually, I recall Glock USA going after the importers of airsoft guns that look like Glocks. There was a case back in 2009 or 2010, I remember American airsofters being pissed off about their imported Glock-alike replicas being confiscated by the customs.

      • Fyrewerx

        They must have settled somehow. I just received my KSC G19 last Thursday – direct from Hong Kong. It doesn’t have the Glock “G” symbol on the slide, but everything else is identical, including the weight and feel.

    • Fyrewerx

      Note that these are in stock and available to shipment (incl. to the U.S.):

      http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Gas_Pistols_SMGs_KSC_KSC_G19_Metal_Silde.htm

  • Phil White

    I doubt you are who you say you are. We have a person who post comments who also ends this type of sentence with , no?

    Linking the name Gaston Glock with the main web page for Glock is a bit obvious as well.

    Update: The fake Glock characters post have been deleted—-

    • Daniel

      Woosh.

  • Mike Knox

    Heh, this is kind or ironic. A company suing another for marketing a product that apparently rips off their design while their main product’s not that original at all..

    • W

      actually it was “original” in that it was a polymer, high cap, reliable, semi-automatic handgun that was inexpensive and low maintenance. While it wasnt the first to apply the specific technologies, the tech was combined into a ground breaking platform. There is nothing ironic at all.

      • Mike Knox

        @W
        Despite claims, the glock pistol was influenced by the H&K VP70, M1911 and the Browning high-power. It’s most innovative feature is its very low bore axis, and that’s all there is..

      • W

        thats actually what i said and i agree with you 100%. JMB influenced a immeasurable amount of firearms designs, to include glock.

  • Daniel

    I have to say that I think this guy is going to lose. There are a bunch of really good, legitimate reasons why Glock should not want that thing being sold. One being that that gun looks like a Glock, and sounds like a Glock, but is a lot different to procure than a Glock.

    What’s more, his defense of it not looking like a Glock is going to be really hard to defend, given that the “gun” has a picatinny rail by the barrel. For a blank gun, this is entirely unnecessary and added only to make it look more like a Glock.

    Sorry buck-o, but I don’t see you as the victim here.

  • Phil White

    Mike, and all.

    Enough is enough folks. In case anyone is laboring under the assumption that he was Gaston Glock you would be wrong. The person acting as Gaston Glock was Leonard Bayard. You’ll note his post are gone as well!

    I honestly don’t mind a little fun but this back and forth with someone portraying themselves as someone they are not as well as the insults is going to far.

    Mike—nothing against you but since the Gaston characters post are gone I’m going to kill the responses to him so those joining the comments won’t be completely confused.

    I’m removing mine as well since the same applies—- except for why I’m deleting them.

    • Oliver Fisher Winchester

      I couldn’t agree more..

  • W

    This should not be surprising. If you copy a product, you should get slammed for it. Smith and Wesson would know.

  • Leonard Bayard

    Wait, why were my posts deleted? I thought I had some very valid points…

    • Phil White

      Posing as Gaston Glock would be why. Taking another identity and insulting others is not allowed.

      Post as yourself and keep it civil—-period.

  • gunslinger

    wanted to get in on the comments. haven’t read them all, but from what i can tell, i don’t want a Glock anymore. if the lawyers were more…compassionate, maybe. but “i’m going to personally sue you” doesn’t give the me the warm and fuzzies about the company.

    if they were more of, you know, this is a big deal, we need to protect us, but lets work together so we can get past this, then sure.

    gonna reserve final judgement though.

    • gunslinger

      didn’t subscribe on my first post

      Steve, is there a way to add a topic to subscriptions w/o having to reply?

  • mosinman

    obviously this product is for people who wanna make movies and portray a Glock without buying the real deal, for all the hassles that would bring.
    i dont think Glock makes a blank firing pistol so i dont see how they could be losing buisness over this. and yes i know they copyrighted the look of thier pistol, but as i said, the blank firing pistol has to look like the gun you want other wise it isnt serving its purpose.

    • andrew

      I Absolutely agree with you 100% and I can’t believe that they are suing them like is it really going to hurt them that bad really

  • Spiff

    Glock should spend more time in the R & R and less time and money on lawyers. They have a proven design (my 1985 G17 has not given me any, any, problems , and has been loaned out to 4 Georgia PDs…I guess it has had 10,000 rounds, plus 2 ++P+ (French AP loads), and has never missed a beat…
    If I had to go to hell, and wanted to come back, I would use a 1st Gen G17 and a Randall #1….
    It’s a hard to beat combination…
    Spiff

  • Lance

    Russia CAME CLOSE TO COPING gLOCKS DESIGN NOW THEY GOT CAUGHT.

    • Mike Knox

      @Lance
      yOUR CAPS-LOCK SEEM TO HAVE MALFUNCTIONED. pLEASE CONTACT YOUR MANUFACTURER AND PRODUCT VENDOR FOR SERVICES..

      • JL Griffin

        I HAVE THIS PROBLEM! I TURNED ON CAPS LOCK ONCE….. LIFE HAS NEVER BEEN THE SAME :((((((((((((

  • Jord

    I swear on everything.. That was my zoraki in that video… I sent it to mike and he did a review on it 🙂

    • J-18

      …actually Jordan this was MY Zoraki 917. I sent it to Mike to do a review, THEN he sent it to you 😉

  • J-18

    …actually Jordan, this was MY Zoraki 917…I sent it to Mike to do a review, THEN he ship it to you 😉

  • Sam Suggs

    cheap POS wasnt worth suing

  • I live in north Georgia and the day I ordered this cap gun(because that is all this is, a very loud cap gun) the discontinuation and lawsuit when into effect. My order was never shipped due to the issue and my order had to be refunded. I am a firearms instructor and it is so much easier to teach the fundamentals of firearm handling with a blank pistol that looks and feels similar to the actual firearm that the trainee will be handling. Once they get used to the feel of the weight, recoil, and the report of a blank gun makes the trainee more adjusted and prepared to send an actual round down range without the nerves of a first time shooter. Glock would have been better off making an agreement or contracting the company in question to produce and sell the M917 hand in hand with Glock as training tools. Glock has pulled this stunt before and will do it again, so i personally believe that Glock firearms should be pulled from the US market and their rights to attack our companies also revoked. As for the Georgia lawyer that took the case and openly threatened to destroy Maxell corporation just because “he didn’t like them”, he should be barred from law for conflict of interest on a personal vendetta. I wish I knew the lawyers name, and i will be looking into finding him, so that I could meet with him and show him the difference in a blank firing cap gun and a real steel widow maker because apparently he doesn’t understand a training tool and a firearm and the difference between the two.

    In the words of Don Henley “Let kill all the lawyers, and kill em tonight”

  • Matthew

    Glocks suck. Watch the video why glocks suck. Give me a good ol government 1911 any day of week/year/eternity! Anyone agree? There’s a reason the u.s marines are going back to .45 colts. From 1911-2013 and still never skipped a beat! No one needs/wants a half plastic gun in battle. If that gun gets a frag hit it will crack in half. So fuck glock and there childish power hungry corrupt law suite.

    • JL Griffin

      i agree. 1911 or even the m9 are better than the glock in every way. id rather a full metal gun over a plastic toy any day haha

  • rVLn4

    it does look like a glock when you first look at it. that is what glock is talking about, you cannot look like a glock.

  • Kerry Wilson
  • Chatter Albert

    OMG, is that the reason why that I bought an 917-T two days ago, it has no trigger and grip safety, and can’t fit with a Gluck tact light?