Detonics DTX Pistol

Detonics has published the specifications for a gun they say will go on sale this summer. Called the DTX, the double action semi-automatic is designed to accommodate our bodies Sympathetic Nervous System (automatic response to stress).

Detonics says …

The ideal weapon system would account for the SNS responses and include design principles to include:

  • A grip that conforms to the human hand.
  • A grip that can be retained when hands are sweating.
  • A grip designed to reduce the distance between the backstop and the trigger, thereby minimizing finger travel on the trigger.
  • A grip that enhances mans instinctive orientation to point shoot.
    Includes over-sized control features.
  • A site system based upon mans day and night color spectrum, instead of three-point dot orientation.
  • A break down procedure that takes seconds.
  • A break down procedure that does not require precision motor skills.
  • A weapon with very few parts.

I am a little skeptical about the pistol grip angle, although I applaud the company for trying something a little different. It is hard to judge form a single CAD rendering, but I think the grip angle is at least 5 degrees more extreme than a Glock grip angle. 1911 fans are probably looking at this grip in horror 😉

Specifications
Caliber .40 S&W, 9mm
Capacity .40S&W 14+1, 9mm 16+1
Finish Two-Tone Cerakote
Barrel 4.25″
Frame Aluminum/Polymer Frame, 4340 Slide
Grip Aluminum or Polymer
Overall Length 8.55″
Weight 25.5 oz.
Sights Low Light Primal Sights

The MSRP will be $1099. Given how this industry works, if they bring this to market before the end of summer I will be very surprised.

[ Many thanks to Tim for passing on the info. ]



Steve Johnson

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  • Richard

    Price point gone kill kind get two Polymer Frame handguns that offer alot more cheaper than buying this one. Real is offer any thing that better that cheaper in that market that all ready out there.

    • SammyJ

      This is the first thing that comes to mind reading this comment.

      http://i.qkme.me/3643d2.jpg

      • W

        I love you because you referenced Pulp Fiction. Classic.

    • JAFO

      Translate??

      • Bryan S.

        “Price point gone kill kind get two Polymer Frame handguns that offer alot more cheaper than buying this one. Real is offer any thing that better that cheaper in that market that all ready out there.”

        Translation:

        I think the sales numbers of this weapon will be low due to the price point. You can purchase 2 other polymer framed pistols for the entry price of this pistol. to really sell, you would have to offer it cheaper than what is on the market now.

        🙂

  • BombedCarnivore

    Looks like it has a grip angle most similar to a Parabellum P.08 (aka Luger). Detonics you have my attention.

  • It’s actually not really a SECRET that the Luger (and by extension the Glock, Ruger .22, and other similar guns) grip angle is good for when you tense up your hand, like you might do under stress.

    The 1911 grip angle fits your hand perfectly in a more relaxed grip, something that also lends itself to better trigger control. People who shoot a lot, will tend to adopt this grip naturally, even when under stress, but that takes lots of practice.

    But someone with less training (for instance a LEO that only qualifies quarterly, or even annually), they don’t have the experience to resist the instinctive reaction of clenching the hands under stress. When you clench your hands, the heel of your palm squeezes forward against the backstrap of the pistol. The sharply angled Luger/Glock style grip actually fits the hand better than a 1911 grip when held in such a manner, and it actually also helps to control recoil for rapid follow-up shots, at the expense of accuracy (with the hands clenched, they tend to shake, or vibrate subtly).

    • Richard

      It amzasing the crap people well buy becuase there suckers some thing new.

    • Nater

      The Luger may or may not have been a happy accident, I do not know. But I know that the Glock pistol was designed to work with how people should shoot a pistol. If you’re using the modern isosceles stance and torquing your wrists then the grip angle on a Glock is of no issue. The grip is still blocky, but the much maligned grip angle works quite well. Probably not the best for target shooters, but good for combat shooting which is the point.

      That out of the way, a Detonics 1911 was one of the first real guns I can ever remember wanting. Besides ridiculous stuff like an M60 or a minigun when I was a kid. I saw them in Terminator 2 and wanted one.

    • Squidpuppy

      Almost to a person in my experience, first time shooters I take out really like the feel of a Luger and instinctively point shoot it well at close ranges to 7 yards; particularly women. I can’t tell you how many times they’ve said something to the effect “This is a really comfortable gun!”; they’re surprised about it, especially those who are skeptical about guns to begin with.

  • Jeff

    Wonder what the sights are if not 3 dot

  • Charles222

    Reminds me abit of the Gen 1 FG42 grip.

  • chris

    It’s going to have to be REAL slick to justify that price. I’d love to try one out to see if it’s worth the extra dough.

  • Ian

    Nothing wrong with the angle except that human hands don’t bend the way this webbing-to-trigger layout wants them to. Steyr already got this aspect right.

    Oh yeah, and $1100. Sure.

  • JAFO

    Given the fact they can’t even proofread their press releases (“mans”, repeatedly, when it should be “man’s”- and I’m NOT a grammar nazi), I can’t expect much of the company.

    • Tom – UK

      Is an entire company responsible for the article mistakes? or is it just the man who wrote the article and the editors fault?

      I somehow very much doubt that because they made a mistake that so did every other person in the company.

      • JAFO

        Yes- the person responsible for representing the company to the world- the PR person- should darn well not make basic grammar mistakes or factual mistakes. It makes the entire organization look like something being run out of a beer-swilling redneck’s garage.

        – and to shut the wiseguys up- I’m a redneck, comments about offended beer-swilling rednecks should be sent to /dev/null

      • Jared

        @JAFO

        Nice /dev/null reference. I thought I was the only redneck gun loving linux/unix user.

    • John

      Another thing, “site system”. Is a “site” really the same thing as a “sight”? I’m from Sweden, and English is not my native language, but this sounds very strange to me.

      • Icchan

        John: “Site” means “place” or “location” – aka “the site of a battle.” “Sight” in this context means the sighting system for a gun. It’s poor English from their advertising department.

      • John

        Thanks for the reply Icchan, that’s exactly what I thought. I was just a bit surprised that there were complaints about mans/man’s, but no mentioning of this. I guess Detonics do need to hire someone to spellcheck for them. Language mistakes may not seem to be a big deal, but such simple mistakes reflects poorly on the professionalism and image of the company, like JAFO mentioned.

  • Komrad

    I am highly skeptical of this. Isn’t every gun supposed to be used under stress, be it competing against rivals or defending yourself?
    The grip angle is cool, but not $1100 cool. I look at that price and think that I could get an entry level competition firearm for the same price or I could get two lesser guns.
    I also question the use of a double action trigger. Doesn’t that mean the trigger pull is longer and heavier, exactly the opposite of what you want under stress? Unless it is supposed to cut down on accidental/negligent discharges.

  • If it ever comes to market, I’ll be surprised. Detonics has had enough problems just staying in business over the last 30+ years.

    • Tom – UK

      I have something called “essential tremor” which means that my arms and legs shake a lot more than normal peoples, carrying out the stripping down of a pistol particularly when tired etc becomes very hard.

      Precision motor skills are something I do not always have, particularly during some stress events, this company has produced a pistol which I and millions of others are now capable of stripping and cleaning with far greater ease.

      • matt

        I’m assuming you meant to reply to my post. My hands shake more than most but i’ve never had a problem taking down any of my guns (FNH FNP45, Colt SAA, Kel-Tec RFB). If your hands really shake enough that you need a specially designed take down lever, should you really be holding a gun in the first place?

      • matt

        And by take down, I mean fully disassembling it 100%, sans the FCG on the FNP45/RFB.

      • matt

        @everyone who voted me down
        Consider this, if your hands shake that much that you cant take down a modern plastic gun, chances are your going to have a negligent discharge unless you have a Glock with a NYPD trigger, and even then, good luck hitting your target between your shaking and the 12lb pull.

  • matt

    “A break down procedure that does not require precision motor skills.”

    In case you have cerebral palsy, or for some reason need to clean your gun in the middle of a battle?

    • El Duderino

      Sure. You’re suppressing a building full of doped-up Hajis with your 9mm + Beta Mag and need to combat change a hot barrel…uhh maybe not.

      Not sure it can get any easier than a Glock or SIG P-series (or any barrel/ejection port lockup gun). Any more simple and it would just fall apart sitting on the kitchen counter. Maybe Skyy bought the Detonics name?

      • BombedCarnivore

        CZ75 & Beretta 92 series are easier in my opinion, don’t need to grip tiny little nubbins

      • Bear

        Precision motor takedown problems? M&P for the win. “Yaoming.jpg”

  • TangledThorns

    The grip design reminds me of the Steyr M9.

    • Twinkie

      Glad someone else noticed. Love my M9-A1 in my hand.

  • Chucky

    The one thing that detracted buyers from picking up the classic Detonics models despite so many innovations was the price. For that much money most will look at cheaper alternatives and swallow whatever compromises they might have (if any) compared to this.

  • Tom – UK

    “I could buy 2 or 3 guns for the price of this one gun” seems to be a common theme with high gun prices.

    While I fully believe that many guns are overpriced the only thing that matters to me is that while yes I could buy 3 guns I will only ever carry and use one in the time of life and death, just how useful are the other two guns at home? would you rather have a pretty good pistol or an excellent one when the time comes?

    • Nater

      Would you rather have one really high-end pistol, an unproven design, or would you rather have two Glock 19s? One for a training beater, the other for carry. In the even that you had to use the carry gun, it will be taken by the police for some period of time. With a second, you have a gun that you’re familiar with just waiting, ready to go.

      No brainer to me.

      • El Duderino

        But for 2 Glock 19s you could have 8 Lorcin .25s. 😀

      • Komrad

        brb, buying 8 shitty .25 ACP Saturday night specials.

  • Raoul O’Shaughnessy

    With that grip angle, the mag for that thing is going to look like a Ruger MkII .22 mag.

    • BombedCarnivore

      Or a Luger mag?

  • Robert A. Lelly

    The price does not scare me. I totally understand the SNS system. I would bet my life on this pistol over any other. How much is your life worth in a life and death situation? I buy inexpensive guns to play with. Not for my life to depend on. I have learned that price and quality go together.
    I would rather pay more money for well designed pistol and be alive that a dead cheap skate.

    • Nater

      Expensive =/ reliable. You can spend upwards of five thousand dollars on a highly tuned 1911 that will shit the bed when you need it most or you can spend an order of magnitude less on a Glock 19 that will run without issue.

      Why can people not understand this? Cost does not always equal quality, especially with firearms. The price difference between a Colt 6920 and Rock River’s flavor of the week is generally quite small. The quality difference between them is enormous as is the reliability difference. The number of Colts that run right is probably about the same as the number of RRA carbines that don’t. The number of Colts that have issues is probably about the same as the number of Rock River guns that run like they’re supposed to.

      An even more pertinent example is the price difference between a Smith and Wesson M&P and a Kimber. You’ll pay more than twice as much for a pistol that doesn’t work half as well.

      • W

        Nater, as usual, your comments kill me (in the LOL kind of way). 😀

        It amazes me that AR15 hobby gun enthusiasts foam at the mouth continuously how their rifle is the same as a Colt just because the receivers and barrels are made by the same machine and the only “tiny” (LOL) difference is the quality of steel in the internal working parts. Well, in the long run, there is a huge difference. Steel quality goes a long ways.

        As far as kimber goes (or any 1911 for that matter), expensive paperweights. The most reliable 1911 I ever had was a beat up Colt that was well worn with a moving slide. Tightening a pistol up to shoot tight groups at 50 yards creates a whole new set of problems. There is nothing anybody’s sacred cow 1911 can do that my polymer guns cannot do or do better.

      • Nater

        The barrel steel is a problem, I’d say the bolt steel is a bigger problem. C158 isn’t the easiest material to source so a lot of companies use something cheaper and easier. There are some things in the TDP that can probably be skipped. Noveske doesn’t HPT their bolts, I understand why. They have stringent quality control in place and they don’t want to cut the life span of their bolts. But they’re Noveske, they know what they’re doing.

        The stuff that really bothers me is not staking the gas key and the receiver extension castle nut. This is stuff that is very easy to do and will prevent certain failures from shutting a gun down.

    • klp

      You would bet your life on this gun? You have one? You’ve handled one? You are paid by the people who produce this gun?

      I understand the SNS as well, and yes, if the body goes into panic mode then muscle would trend to tense up and holding the natural 1911 relaxed grip would be far less repeatable since the skeleton doesnt have anything to index itself against. I feel like this would create training scars, causing users to go to full lock in any panic. Anyway, tomato tomahto.

      This gtip angle is the kind used in olympic guns. No one uses olympic target pistols for self defense. Only a fool would claim to trust his or her lifeto this gun with it not even having come out yet. I would be very wary of it as a self defense gun because that grip angle means the magazine has an excruciating feed angle and I question its reliability. Body mechanics and ergonomics are great but if your gun jams a few times every hundred or so rounds it’s cut from the starting line up.

  • Icchan

    Idly…they claim that this is a problem their gun can overcome. “The inability to think rationally or execute simple skills.” I’d love to know how a firearm knows what an irrational decision is and how to handle it…

    …maybe the irrational decision is listening to this advertising…

    • Icchan

      Oh, and “Shock appearing responses to include hair standing on end, excessive sweating, etc.”

      So are you supposed to use the rail teeth like a comb to smooth out your standing up hair then?

  • I would guess someone bought the Detonics name in order to introduce this pistol to the world. Of course the question is, does the world really need another polymer 9/40 cal let alone one that costs $1K? Second, what does this pistol do better than the other 100 or so pistols on the market? Let’s face it, there are a lot of point and shoot guns out there. If you can’t hit something at combat ranges with any one of them you should not be carrying a gun.

  • Kommac

    Holy grip angle batman! And people complain about GLOCK’s grip angle vs. 1911…

    Looks like a nice design though, I love the simplicity, as I love my GLOCK.

  • El Duderino

    There already is a pistol that meets this description and it’s been around for over 50 years. It’s called a .38 Special snubnose with a shrouded hammer. No safety, point shooting is a must with the short sight base, don’t have to worry about reloading b/c if they all aren’t down after 5 shots you picked a fight you couldn’t win anyway.

  • DW

    The MSRP does not mean it’s street price; it may deviate quite a bit from street price…ASSUMING this pistol does not become vaporware…
    I think If they made the pistol to the standard of Sig Sauer(Old Sigs I mean) than it’d still do just fine being sold close to a grand.

  • Jeff Smith

    Can anyone tell me how the grip angle would would translate to muzzle flip? Would it help to reduce flip or increase it?

    • MJ

      @Jeff Smith: Technically, it should reduce muzzle-flip by lowering the bore axis. The closer the barrel aligns with the bones of your forearm, the less it wants to rise upon firing.

      • Jeff Smith

        MJ, Thanks for the info!

  • Tony

    Yawn…

  • tincankilla

    Glad someone else brought up the Luger grip angle. they do point very naturally, just like you’re pointing a finger.

    I’d like to learn more about this feature: “A site system based upon mans day and night color spectrum, instead of three-point dot orientation.”

    • BombedCarnivore

      No problem. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the grip angle.

  • Brandon

    Wow that’s an extreme angle.

    That’s also an extreme price tag. Spelling and grammatical errors in the press release don’t inspire confidence either. The ‘primal sights’ look interesting

  • pete

    Wow, that’s pleasant looking, even for a chunky CAD drawing. I hope it comes out, I know Detonics hasn’t had mixed fortunes even in using the legacy design, so I do have doubt.

    But yeah, I’m all about the look and I think it might point, hold, and deliver recoil pleasantly.

  • John Doe

    This must have a very awkward looking magazine.

    But if it works, why not? I can totally justify over one grand on a handgun if it can save my life.

  • Sanjuancb

    I don’t know y’all but I am not fond of the severe grip angle. I had a Ruger Mk. III with the “esteemed” Luger grip angle and I despised it. The 22/45 or 1911 grip angle is a lot more comfortable in my hands.