Magpul, a Year in Review. Interesting or Lackluster?

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From a financial point of view, Magpul has had an exceptional year. They got a $13 million dollar injection of cash from TCAP. Hardly a week goes by without a gun company announcing that they are introducing a new AR-15 model that comes from the factory with Magpul accessories. On the other hand, they launched no revolutionary new products and two key employees left the company.

Magpul iPhone 4 case.

Lets take a look at what new products Magpul introduced this year …

January ’11 – The SHOT Show announcement: iPhone case updated for iPhone 4.

February ’11 – MOE handguard now available in rifle length.

March ’11 – Shipping 5 and 10 round limiters. Introduced instead of the promised PMAG 5/10/15 round magazines.

March ’11 – Magpul MBUS 2. The biggest new product of the year. Slimmer profile than 1st generation.

Magpul MBUS 2nd Generation

May ’11 – Dummy 5.56mm rounds available in a new color.

May ’11 – MOE+ and MOE-K grips accounted. MOE+ is has rubber overmolding. MOE-K has a slimmer than normal profile.

August ’11 – MSA sling attachement for MOE handguards.

October ’11 – PMAG 30G for H&K G36 rifles. Magpul eyes the European market.

November ’11 – Magpul MOE Scout light mount for MOE handguard.

November ’11 – Magpul STR and ACS-L Stock.

Magpul MOE Scout

While the new MBUS launch was high profile, backup sights being a very important rifle accessory, I believe the MOE+ grip represents the biggest new innovation at Magpul. They now have the ability to produce accessories with rubber overmolding and I expect to see a lot more accessories with rubber overmolding next year.

What Magpul did not introduce this year is probably more telling than what was introduced. The PMAG 40 was announced in the 2011 catalog but never produced. This product would have been incredibly popular. When I speculated that the product was dead, the Magpul CEO made it clear it was not and they would be introducing it in the future. I hope the PMAG40 does not become vaporware.

Magpul PMAG40 (right)

Also announced but not produced were the 5 round, 10 round and 15 round PMAGs. They did introduce 5 and 10 round limiters, but in some jurisdictions round limiters do not make a full-sized magazine legal for hunting. For a company that takes pride in the fact that they never disclose future products, not producing products that made it into the annual catalog is no small thing.

Drawing from Magpul’s Quad-Stack Magazine patent

Surefire beat Magpul to the market wit their quad-stack 60 and 100 round AR-15 magazines. Earlier this week Magpul’s patent application for a Quad-stack magazine was approved by the USTPO. Magpul’s policy is that no employees are allowed to discuss the Quad-Stack magazine. I know this because I have asked a few of them for a comment.

Chris Costa

At the beginning of the year Travis Haley, Magpul Dynamics CEO former-interim CEO of Magpul industries, left the company to form a consulting firm called Haley Strategic Partners. Last month Chris Costa, President of Magpul Dynamics, announced that he was leaving the company. It will be interesting to see how Magpul Dynamics fares without the brand-recognition that Haley and Costa had. In the blogosphere, a popular blogger usually takes his audience with him when he or she moves to another blog. I suspect the fans of Haley and Costa will follow them, regardless of the company they work for.

This year was certainly interesting, but were the new products announced exciting or lackluster? I was disappointed that there was not more innovation for their consumer customers. The new H&K G36 PMAG is not aimed at US consumers, but at military and LE users of the H&K G36.

What are my predictions for Magpul in 2012? I suspect the quad-magazine will be announced, as will the PMAG40. These products will be big sellers. If the PMAG60 or PMAG100 can be made to work with the M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle, Magpul could make a lot of money by nabbing a contract with the USMC. As I said before, I predict a few more products which have rubber overmolding. 2012 is going to be an interesting year.

My way out there prediction is this: Magpul will introduce a 1911 accessory in 2012!

What do you predict Magpul will introduce in 2012? Sound off in the comments.


Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Anon

    If Magpul really wants to have fun demolishing another established market, why not an injection-moulded AR15 lower? They could probably produce and sell one for well under $50 retail, and customers would buy them up by the tens of thousands. One wonders…

    • Reverend Clint

      I’ve got a plum crazy lower and would love to see a magpul lower.

      • Davey

        It doesn’t matter the brand: CavArms, Plum Crazy, Bushmaster Carbon… They’re all more fragile than an aluminum lower. If I were MagPul, I’d stay out of any market that would guarantee complaints… and composite lowers are going to break with enough regularity to piss off customers.

      • http://extremetolerance.com ExtremeTolerance

        I am not sure if a plastic lower is even a good idea. Maybe if all you do is plink… I am picturing the front upper/lower connection point snapping the first time you tried to field strip. Seem like the weight of a mettle upper and the torque it would exert on that point would snap it easily.

        I know I would not want to buy an eairly version of a plastic lower. I would have to see some serious stress tests to be convinced.

      • Reverend Clint

        these things are less fragile than aluminum but steel is stronger than aluminum. I wouldnt recoment humping one through afghanistan but if all you need is an inexpensive and light, its like 1/2 the weight of an aluminum lower, lower than this is the ticket.

      • Reverend Clint

        actually your comments remind me of what ive heard people would say about the ar-15/m-16 like 50-60 years ago.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      I happen to know how much an injection mold costs to make and how much an injection molded rifle costs to produce (Can’t publish the numbers unfortunately, but I will say its **very** cheap to make once the mold is made).

      The problem is that making guns adds a lot of complexity to the business. There is a lot of red tape (BATFE regulations) and you run the risk of making a mistake that will lead to a raid by the ATF. Why go to all that trouble when you can supply the accessories.

      If I was magpul, I would stay clear of making AR-15 lowers.

      btw, Magpul has produced a few metal AR-15 lowers for some special occasions.

      • jdun1911

        Yep the government do their best to stop job creations in the USA. Lots of regulations and taxes that are associated with the firearm industry. One screw up can send you to jail for a long time.

        Not only that there is a tall wall that needs to climb when growth slows down. Export regulations prevent firearms companies from expending their market.

  • Lance

    Biggest gain is the MOE hand guard and more PMAGS for new designs and new guns apart from that nothing too BIG for magpul But they do make good stuff for M-4s and M-16 and ARs.

  • http://gunscoffee.blogspot.com Fred

    If they can bring a quad-stack mag to market for less than the Surefire (and that should not be that hard…) they should be gold for a while.

    • jdun1911

      Yeah I really was hoping for those Quad mags this year. The Surefire are out of most people price range. The only people I know that gets them are the 3-guns.

  • malard

    Id like for see the PDR concept come to life (I know there is prototypes) on the market. I love magpuls products to death but their execution of getting products out is way to slow. Costa and Haley are amazing but i don’t know if they made the brand or if the products did. I think they had good reason to jump ship.

  • http://deojesrandomstuff.blogspot.com Frank Wilson

    What about the new stocks? Curious why they didn’t make the list. Some may consider them just modificatkons but I think they qualify as new items.

  • Lance

    Whats your opinion on the MOE hand-guard system Jdun??

    • Matt G.

      The moe is nice but I would have preferred it be slimmer. And I have fairly large hands.

      • Matt G.

        Also, it is heavier than it’s similarly sized aluminum counterparts.

    • jdun1911

      Crap.

      The only thing that worth the money in the MOE product line are their pistol grips. MOE handguard and Stock are downgrades from the standard furniture. I rather save the money to buy a CTR and nice rail.

      The MBUS 2 is alright. It is somewhat an inexpensive alternative to the metal BUIS.

  • Matt G.

    Did you not notice the two new stocks they announced?

  • Robert

    Fmg

    I want that damn pop up smg

  • SpudGun

    Not so much a prediction as a request – MagPul introduces a quad stack .308 magazine. Nothing huge, just a magazine that holds an extra 10-12 rounds but still has the same overall height as a FAL mag.

    I don’t know where the commandment ‘thou shall not have more then 20 rounds in a .308 magazine’ came from but it seems a bit antiquated.

    • Nadnerbus

      I’d like it (can’t have it in Cal though, of course) but some probably don’t like the extra weight when fully loaded. My 20 round m1A mags are a little hefty when loaded as is. Probably a pound and a half, two pounds?

      The more options the better though.

      • SpudGun

        Hopefully they’ll make it from polymer to save a little on weight. Though even if the 30 rounder weighs the same as a normal metal 20 round magazine, there is also the economy of scale, carrying 4 magazines instead of 6, etc.

        From a military point of view, might be nice to have a .308 IAR, perhaps a full auto FN Mk 17 with a heavy barrel and 30 round mags – like a modern day BAR / Bren. I’m not in the military, so this is just speculation on my part.

    • Lance

      Sorry to say the military chose 5.56mm NATO for a IAR not .308 Win. As well as choosing HK for the weapon. But I do wish Magpul would make polymer M-14 mags and M-110 mags and yes if FN allows it Mk-17 mags since Pmags are light weight and reliable the only problem is Pmag is such a sucky name.

      • W

        Magpul does make M110 magazines. they are also compatible with the SR25.

        http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG243/11

        It’ll be a matter of time before Magpul produces PMAGs for the SCAR.

      • Lance

        Agree someday they will the same can be said for G-3 and M-14 mags as well though.

  • Lee

    What a great company! We need more innovative American enterprises like this … I am very impressed by Magpul products and if I actually had enough money to spend on my own AR platform I would buy Magpul accessories.

  • Spade

    I really wish they’d announce they’re selling that keen little bullpup PDW, but I bet they won’t.

    • Kenny

      Aw, imagine the Magpul PDR in .300 BLK… maybe that’s what they’ve been waiting for.

  • Ryan

    I’d speculate they’ll come out with some type of fixed AR stock next year, and wouldn’t be surprised to see a few shotgun accessories either.

    • Burton

      Like the Magpul, PRS?

  • MarkM

    Perhaps the real disappointment is that Magpul is actually just another manufacturer and prone to the same overhyped fascination that distorts a lot of what they really do.

    No mention of the 1,000,000 mag contract with the UK – hey, they make magazines, and they make money for the owners. That’s job #1, not keeping the pipeline filled with feel-good Mall accessories like a phone case or a styling exercise on a Buell.

    Magpul didn’t put out the ACR for a reason. They are just another plastics molding company, the Choate of the 21st century. Much of what appears as a complaint actually seems to be refocusing on their core skills, and not letting what the Marketing Dept talked about as a future product commit their resources where Engineering and Production isn’t ready.

    That’s what happens if you believe all the overblown hype of the marketing carnival at SHOT. Where’s the other stuff, like polymer cased ammo, the Volks suppressor, or the Bren 10? Vaporware, pretty photos and a dressed up prototype. But, that’s ok? No problem with those guys?

    Having the spotlight focused on Magpul, again, is the issue. They aren’t all that. Some of us don’t even own any.

    • Alex-mac

      I think it was a good that the ACR failed and subsequently damaged their brand. They aren’t weapon designers or manufacturers. They should stick to what they are good at.

      • W

        the ACR shouldn’t be blamed on Magpul. Now for Bushmaster, that is an entirely different matter…

        I believe magpul should expand to small arms. It would delight me to see them selling their own name on firearms.

      • Alex-mac

        Magpul set their ACR up against the SCAR, it never had a chance. Apart from the obvious things like weight and lack of will in manufacturing it, the ACR also had more recoil than an AR, which is deplorable. So Magpul sold/dumped their Masada/ACR so it’s probable failure wouldn’t sully their name too much.

        That’s some sweet marketing. Magpul gets all the credit and none of the blame.

      • W

        hmmm, i was aware of the official competition with the XM8, SCAR, HK 416, and M4 as contenders, though I wasn’t aware that the SCAR and ACR went toe to toe. I would like to see the test and results (which i cannot find).

        The ACR is an excellent concept, being essentially a updated AR18 (which never was never given a fair chance, being a super weapon to the AR15), though I believe the concrete has sort of dried for a next carbine concept, which the most feasible contender being the SCAR.

        “That’s some sweet marketing. Magpul gets all the credit and none of the blame.”

        not hardly. I believe the blame for the ACR’s shortcomings should be on Bushmaster. The Remington variant is being evaluated as the army’s next carbine in the impending competition. These next generation carbines will be less expensive than the Colt M4 once they begin mass production.

        The ACR concept may be experiencing a down, though it is still not necessarily out.

  • Mrjc

    I would love to see them carve out a spot in the AK market; PMAG-AK could corner the market if done to the same calibre. I’m shocked they haven’t hit that yet. Perhaps they’re just patriotic :)

  • Zack

    Personally, I would love to see them develop a drop-in stock for precision shooting, for a Rem 700 short or long action. I know its miles away from their current market position, but I think they could be competeitive in that area eventually. They have proved that with their products so far. Plus, if Magpul as anything going for it, it would look REALLY good.

    • Rangefinder

      Ideally Troy Ind. could make a mil-spec chassis for the 700 that would accept Magpul stocks, grips, slings, and mbus. Would make for a good scout rifle.

  • DurgaMDK

    Magpul needs to do a few things imho, as said before AK parts. For the most part they could just resize/mold the same stuff and fiddle with the mount on stocks and double their product line. I know I’m a sucker for it and I would buy it. The other is make a new arms branch and call it Magpul clusterfux (who cares) and just start making lowers and whatever else that can go polymer. Again legions of fan $$$$ are there for the taking.

  • Davey

    Lets not forget that Magpul maintained their overpriced $17.05 minimum advertised pricing for a 30-round PMAG Maglevel magazine. Guys – the R&D and tooling is paid off. Why not cut consumers a break and drop the price a bit?

  • W

    I cannot wait to see what magpul has to offer in 2012. Myself and some close friends of mine are on a consensus that we have nothing but praise for this company. I enjoy seeing private firearms innovation and evolution. Long live the free market and capitalism!

    • W

      oh and one more thing, i would have to ask Magpul to please hold hands with Crye Precision and jointly conceptualize and develop the Modular Caseless Rifle.

  • Maigo

    You can (finally) add the MS3 to the list

  • Rijoenpial

    HI guys

    I, like many of you, love the Magpul items…

    I have only one complaint: why don’t they make SCAR 17S mags?

    They did for the SCAR, HK416 and Tavor with the E-Mag… What is holding them up?!

    I have a few complaints, especially the MBUS sights… Not a fan of those… still too bulky, even with the Second Gen… I prefer more narrow, slim sights like the SCARs, for instance… But those are just personal tastes…

    I REALLY think that given the HUGE waiting for SCAR 17S mags, Magpul should do something about it! I really do!

    Aside that and the MBUS sights, I love their designs, especially their MS3 slings… Superb… and many more…

    NOW, with Travis Haley and Chris Costa’s departure, I don’t know where that will leave Magpul and their innovative spirit… Again, Time will tell…

    Cheers!

    • Lance

      Because FN wont let them they hold exclusive rights to the mag. No one outside of some SOCOM users use Mk-17s. Not only dose the military but Cops Security and civilians use ARs.

      • 18D

        WTF are you talking about? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard from you. There are tons of 17S’ on the market! There are sooo many civilians running 17S’, you can barely find magazines for them. Mags are going for anywhere from $65 to over $100! That’s on the civilian and LEO side. It’s hard to find SCAR’s and its even harder to find the mags.

        FN does not hold the rights to the SCAR mag! The SCAR mag is basically a modified FAL mag. Anyone could go out and fabricate one.

        Magpul would make a ton of many from CIVILIANS if they made a 17 magazine!

      • Lance

        Your full of it 18D the H model hasn’t been open on the market much long at all. FN holds most patents on the accessories so buyer have to buy FN accessories for it. Im so sick of dealing with you 18D I know you love your little SCAR fine but this has nothing to do with your Belgium plastic its why MagPul never made SCAR H accessories i said why for now.

      • 18D

        First of all, Magpul does make SCAR accessories (accessory). Second of all, the SCAR-H has been on the market for over a year. Thousands have been sold to civilians and that’s why mags are so hard to find.

        You said that nobody outside of SOCOM uses the SCAR-H and that civilians, LEO, and security use AR’s. That was a pretty naive blanket statement that I felt needed corrected since it wasn’t true.

        You also said FN holds rights to SCAR accessories. Which accessories are you referring to? The receiver? The trigger group?

      • Lance

        Your wrong again 18D The 17s didn’t come out till last spring after Shot-show. AND its rather expensive many people may like to try one but can’t afford one and im taking about mags for it are FN only like several other weapons they make they hold exclusive rights to the mag design and are nasty to companies who make after market mags. Daniele Walter already stated here that some SOCOM operators have modified the Mk-17 to use SR-25 mags that may be a major improvement over a semi like FAL mag it uses now.

        The gun is SOCOM only and yes some civilians own it now BUT not too many main compliant its EXPENSIVE.

      • W

        First of all, the SCAR 17S was introduced in late 2008. Enough said.

        Second, I would like to see the data on SCAR sales, but am completely aware that they are selling like hotcakes, despite their higher cost.

        “AND its rather expensive many people may like to try one but can’t afford one and im taking about mags for it are FN only like several other weapons they make they hold exclusive rights to the mag design and are nasty to companies who make after market mags.”

        Of course its “expensive”. it is a completely new weapon system. Trying to compare the SCAR’s price with a M14, AR10, and AR15 is absolutely ridiculous, since those designs and spare parts have been in circulation for decades.

        “Daniele Walter already stated here that some SOCOM operators have modified the Mk-17 to use SR-25 mags that may be a major improvement over a semi like FAL mag it uses now.”

        citation please

        “The gun is SOCOM only and yes some civilians own it now BUT not too many main compliant its EXPENSIVE.”

        It amazes me that people expect new rifles to be comparable in price to base model AR15’s. There is not the sheer quantities in production, spare parts, and accessories yet for the SCAR. In the little time it has been out, i am absolutely surprised at the accessories that are available for it now.

      • 18D

        Nicely said W! You see Lance, this is how two adults act toward each other. Me and W have had our own heated discussions but that doesn’t mean we take each others comments personally. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don’t. But, we have a good time either way.

        The whole point of our debate was whether or not there are enough civilians running 17S’ on the market for Magpul to profit from a SCAR-H Pmag. With that in mind, I can assure you that the SCAR-H is being bought by civilians to the point that they have become hard to find. It doesn’t matter when they came out (which was over 18 months ago) they have been selling like the proverbial hotcake. That is why mags are hard to find and that is why Magpul would be wise to build 17 mags. FN isn’t going to give a shit who builds their mags because they know they will sell more SCAR’s if people know they can get good aftermarket mags. Your subjective view toward the SCAR is blinding your ability to look at things as they are!

      • Lance

        Yes you been nasty to me in the past and I grow tired you keep saying the SCAR will replace everything and the gun is perfect which is NOT true about any gun period. You say all other guns are junk and the SCAR is better than everything well that’s your opinion just state that. I prefer to keep you comments on my posting to yourself as I try to do with yours.

        Yes people by SCARs but I was saying not near compared to ARs and M1As and AKs. Sorry but FN in the past too blocked other from making decent mags for there weapons the P-90 and FN 5 7N pistol is one. Yes you can say there bought but alot of guns are being bought many by collectors and plinkers but they do NOT over take other US military style weapons being sold now and this year with some of the Obama boom still going.

      • W

        lance, where in the f— did 18D or i say the SCAR is the dominantly fielded weapon by any armed force? we are merely saying there are compelling reasons that the SCAR is increasing in popularity…and its not just because it looks cool (LOL).

        I’m not 100% sure (but i have a good idea) what 18D thinks about battle rifles, but it is my educated opinion that the SCAR 17 is the most superior battle rifle available. Hands down. Given that all the options are weighed and the bar set. Since I have provided a endless essay of opinions on why i think this, im not going to bother with beating a dead horse.

        just a note: I don’t get irritated, mad, or take anything personal that is written over a blog. Anybody that gets bent out of shape over electrons over a screen, they need a serious head check. The funny thing about the internet is 98% of the people that spout their bullshit would never dream of doing this to the opposing person on a human level. The internet breeds pricks like that…

    • Lance

      W pls stay out of this

      And sorry to compared to AR sales SCARs have been fewer not saying there not being bought BUT not as much as AR M1As FALs AKMs ect. They are rally expensive compared to a .308 AR-10 M1A or even HK 91 they around and over 2 grand a piece. I hope they change the mags for them never a FAL mag liker due to several versions of FAL mags around anyway. But other said the same the SCAR is a special weapon ment for SOCOM its not meant for a infantry rifle which is cheaper to make and easier in production.

      • W

        “And sorry to compared to AR sales SCARs have been fewer not saying there not being bought BUT not as much as AR M1As FALs AKMs ect.”

        again, I’m curious when i said the SCAR has superseded the AR in individual sales…please demonstrate to me that you at least have two neurons rubbing together too…

        “They are rally expensive compared to a .308 AR-10 M1A or even HK 91 they around and over 2 grand a piece.”

        Ill say it again for the 20th time, in terms of the capability and modularity of the SCAR, those older battle rifles, refurbished to be comparable in terms of accuracy, reliability, and modularity, are similar in cost to a stock SCAR 17.

        You can get a cheaper battle rifle out there, but the SCAR still has superior compatibility with its rail system than after market add-ons.

        “I hope they change the mags for them never a FAL mag liker due to several versions of FAL mags around anyway. But other said the same the SCAR is a special weapon ment for SOCOM its not meant for a infantry rifle which is cheaper to make and easier in production.”

        If the entire US M4/M16 rifle inventory was re-tooled to manufacture the SCAR, it would be cheaper to manufacture than the M4/M16. The rifle is easier to assemble and has more modular parts than the AR15. The only reason why it is expensive is because there is no comparison to produced units when compared to the M4 and M16.

        Why would the SCAR be more expensive and more difficult to manufacture in mass production? that makes zero sense.

        And no, im not going to “stay out of this”. As long as you keep backtracking and grasping at straws, im going to call you out, just like i would anybody else.

    • charles222

      Magpul is, IIRC, still pretty small, employee-wise. Their magazine guys are probably working overtime getting the Q-mag functioning to an acceptable (read: high) standard as it is; might not be time for anything else. The Q-Mag seems pretty darn complicated from the patent application, and a super-cool, high-anticipation product like that has GOT to work perfectly or it’d be pretty bad for Magpul’s genuinely Apple-like following and general reputation to release a product that doesn’t function properly. SCAR mags can wait.

      the Mk 17 IS a genuinely revolutionary product (imo, anyway; it took the 7.62mm battle rifle from obsolescent back to front-of-the-line in my experience) but Magpul can take its time with mags for it.

    • DeeB

      E-mags fit HK rifles, Tavors, SA-80, FN SCAR etc. But E-mags, like P-mags STILL partially engage the bolt hold open device on the SCAR, they need to be modded:

      http://fnforum.net/check-all-your-mags-especially-pmags-but-check-all-mags-t25272.html

  • Pale Horse

    I would like to see Magpul come out with a lower for the FNH SCAR-H (17S) that is compatible with their 7.62 PMag.

    • http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw.html Daniel E. Watters

      I’ve seen where someone has modified a SCAR 17S lower to accept SR25-pattern magazines. Magpul could just as easily make a lower so configured, and perhaps throw in some features from the Massoud. Legally, an aftermarket SCAR lower receiver wouldn’t require a FFL to transfer as the SCAR’s upper receiver is the serial numbered part.

  • Rangefinder

    I am very happy with my Magpul iPhone 4 case. Classic Magpul…durable, great ergos, with style. Yes it’s mall ninja wear, but very good mall ninja wear.

  • Raoul O’Shaughnessy

    Was this post firearms news or a product placement piece for Magpul?

    • fw226

      Will you ask the same question on the review of a gun? It would be as much ‘product placement’ as this. Personally, I’m okay with it.

  • charles222

    The Mk 17 is already full auto. On my last deployment, we got to share a range with some SEALs; one of them let us shoot his SCAR, and then he demonstrated full-auto fire. Five round burst, standing, center of mass hit from about 75 meters.

    I imagine a quad-stack 7.62 mag will show up eventually if the 5.56 one is successful.

    • Lance

      How was the recoil? Was thje SEAL a DMR in his squad? Hows the feel compared to your M-4?

      • charles222

        The recoil is very, very soft. I’d compare it to about analogous to an M4.

        No, the SEAL wasn’t a DMR; they all had either SCAR-Hs or Mk 18s from what I saw, outside of their snipers, who I didn’t meet, although I did see a few Barretts around.

        I liked firing it alot. The scope was kinda crud compared to an ACOG (It was the Spectre DR) but the controls were all in the same place as an M4 outside of the charging handle. The reciprocating nature of that isn’t the big deal some on these boards have made out of it. I certainly didn’t get my thumb whacked, and neither did anyone else in my platoon.

    • mosinman

      it probably wont hit anyone’s hands, but couldnt it be possible , if when in the prone position it could catch on something while firing?

      • charles222

        No, there isn’t. Prone is a rare military firing position today anyway-kneeling and standing are far more common.

  • http://thearmorygroup.com Jason

    AK mags would be great. I’m assuming Magpul would undercut PALM’s prices substantially. It’s a shame to spend so little on an AK, very little on the ammo, and then have to spend $30 on a Bulgarian Circle 10 or a US Palm mag.

  • Jeremiah

    I’d love to see magpul branch out a bit. My wish list is:
    Stocks for bolt action rifles
    Shotgun furniture
    AK mags and furniture
    Pistol mags. Especially for 1911’s
    Knives (can you imagine a combat knife with a magpul grip? Kickass)
    Holsters
    Mags mags mags, if a gun takes a mag I want magpul to make one for it
    Polymer pistols (a polymer frame 1911???)
    Quad stack mags
    Drum magazines
    Red dots made of polymer instead of alluminum.

  • Lance

    I Stand by what I said and dispute insults by other I will not continue to fight since many here also back like Jdun Dan Walters and others.

  • Joseph

    Well, I wouldn’t mind some new Magpul stocks and such for the G36, ACR, and SCAR platforms. It may save the ACR, and also further the G36 market popularity.

    • Joseph

      + hand guards.

  • alex

    Jdun is the man! Referring to your post at the top… what’s with all the freedom haters on here????? I must have the govt hold my hand all day or I won’t feel safe…

    I want to see stocks made for saigas/ak’s… duuuuuur there is a significant market there!

  • William C.

    I think it is a bit early to be calling the ACR a failure. Yeah, Bushmaster really screwed things up, but it doesn’t mean it can’t be a success if they and Remington stick to it. Maybe I’m just memorized by how cool the thing looks, but I hope it sees some success. I’d buy one if the price ever went down and they actually started offering different barrel lengths and such.

  • Lance

    I really doubt the carbine competition will lead to anything since A) the Army is also updating M-4s and all other armed forces said last month will NOT adopt a ICC winner in the first place. 2) the budget of the DoD is broken no way will ICC replace the JLTV and GCV program which will such what few dollars R&D has anyway.

    • W

      “I really doubt the carbine competition will lead to anything since A) the Army is also updating M-4s and all other armed forces said last month will NOT adopt a ICC winner in the first place.”

      Hmmm, it is obvious you know nothing about the US military’s history on acquiring new small arms. One example: the M16 was initially adopted by the US Air Force, with the Army extremely reluctant and hostile (even to the point of outright favoritism for the M14 during testing) in even considering adopting the M16. It took the actions of US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara to grease the squeaky wheel.

      Times now are no exception. If the Army leads in the next carbine competition, with a emerging winner, the other branches will eventually follow. Historically this is consistent. There will never be two or three different kinds of standard weapons amongst the US military.

      The Improved M4 is a contender, which will be adopted if the other contenders fail against it. It has been made abundantly clear that a new weapon will be adopted.

      http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2010armament/TuesdayLandmarkBTamilio.pdf

      “the budget of the DoD is broken no way will ICC replace the JLTV and GCV program which will such what few dollars R&D has anyway.”

      I am honestly sick and tired of hearing the little chicken s— when it comes to the DOD budget. The “cuts”, are cuts to GROWTH in the defense budget, not cuts on the existing principle (what a tragedy!!! our military will be brought down, in terms of budget and size, to 2007. We were so vulnerable and weak then LMFAO!!!) what a tragic cut it would be, to a “measly” 8% growth instead of 18%.

      http://www.truth-out.org/sequestering-military-spending/1321983343

      Programs that offer no giant leap in effectiveness will be scrapped or shrunk. The Ground Combat Vehicle program is a scam. The F35 is a scam. The Crusader SPH and Commanches were extortions that were rightfully ended.

      The Zumwalt-Class stealth destroyer, at 3.3 billion a piece, originally planned for 32 ships, though was wisely brought down to just five. Keep into consideration we have the largest and most powerful navy in human history.

      The F22 was also shrunk down to 187 aircraft. Consider our F/A-18E super hornets, F15 strike eagles, F16s, and produced F22’s can annihilate any air force any country can field against us.

      Stick with the facts and basics first. Before you can conceive a high-tech 21st century network system for soldiers (future soldier) and state-of-the-art vehicles (which are heavier than existing ones), the individual soldier has to be equipped with modern weapons and adequate uniforms. Their is a potential for these two things to be met, though they aren’t as complete as they should be.

      • mosinman

        its a pity that the f-35 is in trouble, i liked the concept , hopefully they can save the design. f-15s and f-16s are good, but they are getting old and fatigued , eventually they will need to be replaced.

      • Lance

        Sorry W your wrong again and you have never been near the Pentagon before. I know you think your so smart with all knowledge of guns. The M-16 was used by not only the USAF but by most US advisers in Vietnam since 63 and was adopted because of Vietnam war and the lack of a good jungle rifle instead of the delusion you have that the M-14 was inferior to all other guns your think are out there.The Army adopted the M-16 for use long before it was a so called standard issue weapon. You excuse of using the M-16 of the Cold war era 60s is a bad comparison since in those eras every service had the same weapons and field uniforms NOT so after the end of the Cold War.

        The 1890s and even 1940s there where guns for each service IE in the Spanish American war Navy used Winchester 1895s while the Army used the ill fated Krag rifle. The 1941 Johnson was another concept.

        The USMC made it clear the USMC will NOT or Never adopt a all carbine service with a ICC winner and stated possibly if it had to adopt a long barreled HK 416 but its currently going to update the M-16 to a new M-16A5 so no your little SCAR or ACR will NOT be a infantry wide weapon. I know you get a broken heart and mad when you hear this But the Stoner system will stay. And I know you think budget cut wont stop the ICC BUT cuts stopped various rifle programs in 1969 and 1989. The DoD will not have a unlimited budget like it thought when this crap talk started in 07. Its not going to happen.

        I know you just hate me and want to argue over anything I say but I got cold hard facts here too.

        http://www.military.com/news/article/marines-wont-follow-armys-lead-on-new-carbine.html?col=1186032325324

      • 18D

        What?! Lance, you are full of inaccuracies. The M16 rifle was not originally put together because of the Vietnam war. In was designed in response to tests conducted in 1948 and 1953 that showed the most desirable small arm for US forces would be of .22 caliber at high velocity. That test in 1953 was a test called project SALVO, maybe you’ve heard of it? In 1958 the first AR15’s were sent for testing and had problems with reliability and accuracy. The Army was very reluctant to want an AR after that. In 1962 DARPA (ARPA at that time) sent 1,000 AR15’s to South Vietnam for testing with US advisors.

        1964 the Air force adopts the M16 as the standard issue rifle to fill the gap left by the discontinued M14. In 1967, that’s 1967, the Army reluctantly adopts the M16A1 as the standard issue rifle for its forces. February 28, 1967! That’s nearly 3 years after the Air Force adopted the M16!

      • W

        “Sorry W your wrong again and you have never been near the Pentagon before.”

        Oh really? and what makes you think you know so much about me? obviously you don’t, ill leave it to that.

        “I know you think your so smart with all knowledge of guns.”

        and you seem to think that if you repeat a lie loud and repetitiously enough, that ill believe it. Boy are you mistaken!

        “The M-16 was used by not only the USAF but by most US advisers in Vietnam since 63 and was adopted because of Vietnam war”

        Read my previous post again and get back to me. Indicating by your comment, you obviously read nothing and aren’t paying attention.

        “and the lack of a good jungle rifle instead of the delusion you have that the M-14 was inferior to all other guns your think are out there.”

        Technically they were inferior. They couldn’t be produced fast enough, wood stocks swell in the jungle, and it was heavy. The FAL (which was “beaten” by the M14 because the US was openly hostile to anything futuristic looking) was superior, the AR10 was superior, and the AK was superior. The Army messed up big time by adopting the M14 considering the facts.

        “The Army adopted the M-16 for use long before it was a so called standard issue weapon.”

        The USAF adopted the M16 first. That is a fact. enough said. US Advisers were not the “whole army” cupcake.

        “Your excuse of using the M-16 of the Cold war era 60s is a bad comparison since in those eras every service had the same weapons and field uniforms NOT so after the end of the Cold War.”

        BS. My point was highlighting the history of the military’s small arms acquisition process, which has been bogged down by bureaucracy and incompetence since the turn of the century. Since acquisition is the subject, it is a excellent comparison.

        “The 1890s and even 1940s there where guns for each service IE in the Spanish American war Navy used Winchester 1895s while the Army used the ill fated Krag rifle. The 1941 Johnson was another concept.”

        You are mistaking my point. in the 1890’s, the US Army, like other armies around the world, was looking at a replacement rifle. Numerous companies (like Krag Jorgenson, Mauser, Lee, Mannlicher, Schmidt-Ruben) held a competition, in which the Krag was selected. The military was still transitioning to a standard rifle when the Spanish American war occurred. eventually, the outstanding Springfield 1903 was adopted as a standard rifle. The Winchester 1895 was adopted by limited numbers of troops not an entire branch of service’s arsenal.

        “The USMC made it clear the USMC will NOT or Never adopt a all carbine service with a ICC winner and stated possibly if it had to adopt a long barreled HK 416 but its currently going to update the M-16 to a new M-16A5″

        The USMC and Army also never planned to replace the M14 with the M16…but it happened. The Army made it explicitly clear that the M14 would remain in service and it took a Secretary of Defense to make them chance. You really need to pay attention to history.

        “so no your little SCAR or ACR will NOT be a infantry wide weapon.”

        hmmm, despite being able to be mass produced cheaper, being more reliable, accurate, and modular than the M4, it has no chance by your contention. Of course, your contention is BS. ill believe it when i see it.

        “I know you get a broken heart and mad when you hear this But the Stoner system will stay.”

        spare me the emotional arguments. I am merely punching holes in your logic and have been destroying your “facts” over the past week. Please keep up the “good” work, I need the amusement.

        “And I know you think budget cut wont stop the ICC BUT cuts stopped various rifle programs in 1969 and 1989. The DoD will not have a unlimited budget like it thought when this crap talk started in 07. Its not going to happen.”

        Like I said before, actually read the F—ing link that i posted about the DOD “cuts”. It is sensationalist BS that naturally shakes the defense industry to the core because they are realizing that they no longer have a blank check. The likes of Panetta are trying to demonize anybody that proposes cuts as “anti-American” simply because it f—s with their cronyism and special interests.

        “I know you just hate me and want to argue over anything I say but I got cold hard facts here too.”

        Its funny because your “cold hard facts” completely ignore documented history, common sense, and logic.

        I am done arguing with you. I would rather not waste any more time arguing with somebody as ignorant and stupid as you.

  • Lance

    Ohh I don’t buy what you say and im tired of your 4 year old attitude about your little plastic guns you think will replace very gun in Military Police and Security services.

    But like Jdun said many many times before they are a AR-18 in a new frame and offer no new better technology over the M-4s or 416s out there. argue with him also then. You can scram all you want im going to ignore you now. Little boy.

  • Lance

    Your calling the book The Black Rifle inaccurate? 18D your full of bias and hatred of me and Jdun and anyone who doesn’t share your view on what firearms should be in use and not be. the M-4 will be in military service fore decades to come and you seem to hate US weapon and like the who Europe is better view. So be it but its a opinion NOT a fact pal., Iam not replying to your crap any more Jdun 1911 who conformed his credentials to Steve and me and others agrees with my views so dose the USMC which has more knowledge than two hacks here in the firearm blog. If you want to fight argue with Jdun1911. Get lost 18D.

    • 18D

      I’m not calling any book wrong. All I did was give you the facts! There is no way around those facts. Look it up! The whole conversation started with your inaccurate information. On topic or not, there are readers on here that are going to call you out no matter what the topic is. You can’t get past well known events, dates, and times in history. The Army followed the Air Force on the M16. The M16 wasn’t built in response to Vietnam. There. Nuff said.

      BTW, what’s with the name dropping? You continue to try and say that Steve and Jdun are on your side. They’re not even involved in the discussion. You are responsible for your own comments, not anyone else. I don’t try to assume what anyone else’s views are, and I don’t try to recruit others to my “cause”. It’s not about anyone else until it is. Take responsibility for your comments.

  • Lance

    Besides this This article is on Magpul Incm NOT ICC or budget battles or M-4 or what battle rifle is better so I ask every one like Steve says stay on topic, Please.

  • Tommy big balls

    Lol @ all of you. The m16/m4 sucks. Everyone knows it and lance you wouldn’t be so hostile IF you didn’t know in your heart that this was true. Anyway amazing a company that started off makin a rubber slip-on pull for the bottom of your mag would turn into this.

  • Evgeny

    FOR F**K (SORRY FOR THAT) MAKE THE ULTIMATE AK MAG!!!!!!!!

  • Kevin C

    I actually emailed Magpul about something I would like to see them produce. It would be a composite quad rail or a handguard that could be made into a quad by placing aluminum rail sections the entire length of the handguard if that is what the operator wishes. That is something I would love to see and it would not only be less expensive than aluminum quads but it would also be lighter in theory.

    • Matt G.

      Lighter in theory only. Unfortunately to make polymer sturdy enough and provide the adequate heat shielding, you have to add too much weight and it becomes much heavier than aluminum.

      The MOE handguards, for instance, are quite a bit heavier than their aluminum tubular competetiors.

      Remington also managed to make the ACR lower lighter by switching from polymer to magnalium. So it seems polymer is only good for lower stress smaller parts.