SEALs upgrade to SIG Sauer P226 Mk25 Pistol

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Back in the 80s the US Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) procured SIG Sauer P226 pistols for the SEALs. The NSWC version of the P226 was later sold to the public as the SIG P226 Navy. Unbeknown to me, the Navy has recently given the latest version of their P226 the designation Mk25 and SIG is now selling the Mk25 to public.

As far as I can tell, the only differences between the P226 Navy and P226 Mk25 is the inclusion of SIGLITE Night Sights.

Specifications
Caliber 9mm Luger/Parabellum
Capacity 15
Finish Hardcoat anodized / Nitron
Grip Polymer
Barrel 4.4″
Overall Length 7.7″
Weight 34.4 oz.
Sights SIGLITE Night Sights
MSRP (Price) $1,142

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  • Lance

    Only the rails and sights are different from any other SiG 226. They also back in the day helped improve the M-9 by adding pressure relief in the back and can make a M-92FS shoot under the water like a modified Glock can. Wounder if they can ditch the stiff trigger pull SiGs have problems with.

    • Matt G.

      The internals are all phosphate coated, versus just the slide and frame. This help protect against salt water.

  • george

    I see they added the $300 Tier 1 tax to the price…

  • Aurelien

    The original (and still widely used) Sig 226 used by the Navy Seals were unrailed blued German made guns with or without night sights (depending on whether or not they were available. Those guns were used (with a few modifications like US-made stainless steel slides with external extractor) well into the 2000s. The Mk25 provides a rail, which was not part of previous contracts.
    Plus, they seem to be US-made guns.

    Fun fact : the Navy considered getting the P226 Elite as the Mk25 (226 with the beavertail).

  • Nater

    The slides also appear to be rolled pinned instead of riveted. Most of the P226 models, including the so-called Combat model, are riveted.

    • Nater

      To whoever the genius is that voted me down for a mere stating of fact;

      Having a roll pinned slide allows you to remove the firing pin/firing pin spring and the firing pin blocking safety and spring. Since the SEALs are obviously dealing with a salt water environment, it’s crucial that they can completely strip the weapon.

    • Bret

      I’m pretty sure you got voted down for being wrong. I’m not aware of any current or recent production Sig’s with ‘riveted’ slides. Older slides were folded and welded, and for around the last decade they have been machined from a solid block of steel, but I’ve never seen rivets anywhere.

      When they switched from folded to milled slides, they also changed the pin that holds the breech block in place. The folded slide models all used the roll pins (like those pictured on this MK 25), but they changed to a solid pin for a while with the milled slides. They have now returned to using roll pins instead of the solid pins. It is still a pin though, and you can push it out with a punch. I’m guessing that you are thinking of this change from roll pins to solid pins and back, but I’m really not sure.

      • Mike

        In 2004 Sig arms issued the NSW 0001-2000. They were made in Germany and assembled in Exeter N.H. The NSW IS TO EXACT SPECS of a SEAL issue. The slide is milled out of solid STAINLESS. All parts are phosphate coated. Later some barrels were chrome lined. A few pins and internal springs are stainless also. I know this because I have NSW 0984. When I called to get spare parts for mine all was well until I gave my Serial #. Also SEAL issue mags are sometimes stamped and spot welded phosphate coated stainless. (Not sure why u coat stainless). All That said! If you know or are familiar with any REAL SEALS changes can and will be made to any weapon to make it fit a SEALS spec! Not a mil spec. So there will be different opinions. Remember, “at any given time there are between 400 and 500 SEAL operators and I have met all 50,000 of them”

  • Burton

    Can someone school me on if the ones NSW uses are German made or American made? I don’t own a Sig, but I’ve heard a lot of rumblings the past couple years that their QC is on a pretty bad backslide and that the American Sigs are hit or miss.

    This is certainly an odd juxtaposition considering I hear lots of Tier 1 guys love them. I have to admit, given the rumors and the multiple contracts that Sig has lost recently, I would be a little concerned if my life might depend on the weapon.

    Just wanted to hear what people’s thoughts on this were, as I am hardly an expert on Sigs.

    • Davey

      Burton,
      Gotta agree. My conversations with the HSLD crowd makes me wonder about SIG quality assurance. I’ve been told on more than one occasion to look for an old, German-made pistol. This coming from folks in uniform that wear them and/or are responsible for maintaining them.

      I’d be glad to buy one of these… from Crane. Just don’t make the assumption that the MK 25 coming out of the NSWC is identical to the “MK 25″ that Sig is selling to the public.

    • jdun1911

      Do a search between real SEAL SIG 226 and the commercial version of the same type that have been offered to the general public. Unless you have an early version, the commercial SEAL SIG is different.

  • clamp

    “As used by operators operating in operational environments.”

    • Zac

      Operated by operators, operating in operational environments.

      • John Doe

        Operated by operational operators, operating in operational operations.

  • Andy from West Haven

    I wish I had money to burn. I’d buy six 18 Round Mec Gars for each SEAL’s Mk25. Or 20’s if that’s what they would rather have.

    I know they are probably more than fine with their standard 15’s. But more never hurts.

    • Andy from West Haven

      Okay, I shouldn’t let it bother me but what is so horribly disagreeable about my post? (thumbs down in 3…2…1….)

  • 543

    This blog has turned so freaking negative with gun brands/calibers some don’t like being trashed at length for whatever perceived reason on every new topic. We should have some respect for out fellow firearms enthusiasts who have different preferences and realize that we are all in the same boat. I used to be a huge fan of the old firarmblog where people disagreed respectfully with one another without this thumbs up or down stuff. This is fast turning into a typical vitriol filled gun-forum. Sorry for my rant.

    • Burton

      I assume you’re talking about my comment. I did not feel that my comment was negative or “filled with vitriol” about Sig Sauer or this model of weapon at all. I was merely pointing something out and asking a question, while still claiming to be largely ignorant of the subject.

      I was not stirring up dissension or doing anything negative. In fact, I was asking if someone more knowledgeable could address my concern.

      Just because there are problems associated with a weapon system does not mean it shouldn’t be talked about because people get personally offended over it.

      • 543

        @ Burton

        The original comment wasn’t directed at you otherwise I would have addressed it directly towards you If I disagreed. I think I’m not in the minority here who think that some of the bashing or personal attacks are turning fast uncivil on the blog as a hole. You don’t have to believe me just go back to the last 15 topics to see for your self. Anyone who remembers the old firearm blog knows what I’m talking about when compared to today. Sadly this is the trend now with so many other public gun-forums whom I witnessed slowly turn from great knowledgeable member content into what they are today where things turn unpolite and go into bashing when ever it differs from the group.

    • Brian in Seattle

      I agree. This blog is far less civil than it used to be. There is still a lot of great, up to the minute content but, there is a lot of content that seems more suitable for Guns & Ammo. As far as the SIG goes, I’d rather see our guys carrying weapons made in the USA, by an American company.

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  • Jason

    Sig finally figured out how to make a Picatinny rail to spec. Or at least APPEAR to spec.

  • http://cmblake6.wordpress.com cmblake6

    As to Burton. Every experience I have had with Sigs makes me wish, from the depths of my black little heart, that the Air Force would swap out the M9 Beretta FOR Sigs! IMHO, if I have to carry a 9mm, these are the far sweeter option. And they won’t let me bring my own gun to work.

    • Sid

      We are in the killing business. As much as we try to look away from that, we are the tip of the spear. I have served in the both the light infantry and the MPs. There is nothing but “policy” standing in the way of allowing service members to purchase thier own sidearm. As in the days past, you would think that service members having a handgun that fits them would be a good thing.

      • cc19

        Honest question about that. It’s obvious for a primary weapon you want to be sharing the same magazines and ammo as the guy next to you as much as possible. Is this doctrine not as vital for a secondary sidearm? I know that various LE agencies want duty carry fairly standardized, but when it comes to off-duty, don’t really care what their officers are packing.

      • W

        but the issue of endless different weapon designs, lack of armorer support, non-interchangeable magazines and calibers, different shooting habits, and different safety features will make this a mess. You cannot train soldiers how to use 10 different firearms at the same time, but you can train them how to use all M9s.

  • http://www.premierfirearms.com Dan

    Always been happy with my sig pistols. the P226 is a good gun

    • fw226

      Yup. My 226 is fantastic.

  • Flashman

    Two concerns with civilian market Sigs:

    1. Dice roll after sales service and parts support – especially outside of the USA.

    2. Durability of the roll-pin arrangement for breech block retention – this critical part can “let go” after as few as 5-7,000 rounds. The only warnings you get are sudden off-center primer strikes and the protrusion of the broken pin-ends from the slide.

    Other than that the P226 is a fine piece that only needs the addition of a lightpipe front sight.

  • jdun1911

    Becarefull of buying this. The SEAL version of the Sig P226 is different from the version commercial version that is offer to the general public.

    The first few pistol of the SEAL P226 that was offered to the general public (forgotten the serial range) are identical to what the SEAL used. However since than ALL SIG SEAL 226 that claim to be identical version of what the SEAL used 226 are complete BS. This version is no exception. Pure marketing using Navy SEAL name.

  • Matt G.

    Yeah I highly doubt this is the same pistol the new are getting. Don’t real operators need to suppress their pistol sometimes?

  • W

    nice, though i thought the SEALs unofficially adopted the SIG P226 after the M9 was developed? still, these are fine handguns and they can’t go wrong using them. They are a outstanding 9mm handgun.

  • Sid

    cc19,

    The service should supply you with rifle, machinegun, etc… But your sidearm is a secondary weapon. When used, it should not require more than a magazine or two and only when the work is close and you need to use your other hand (opening doors or searching bodies).

    I understand that some would argue “what if you need to toss someone a magazine?” That is too rare of a scenario to worry about. I would rather every shooter have a familiar gun in his/her hand that is comfortable and they have practiced using. Standard load is 3 magazines (in the M9 that is 45 rounds). If you have fired your sidearm to the point that you have unloaded 3 magazines, then you should have switched back to your primary weapon.

    I would rather we let our service members choose a gun that fits their hands, they are comfortable shooting, and that they can practice with in the evenings and the weekends.

    • Nadnerbus

      Interesting idea. Perhaps in this type of scenario, the military could issue a small list of “acceptable” sidearms and calibers. I’d assume 9mm would be the main or only caliber, since it is NATO standard. The individual soldier would be responsible for the weapon and parts, etc. Probably would never happen, but is an intriguing idea. They’d definitely be less likely to mistreat or lose the weapon if it was theirs, and perhaps more likely to practice with it if they could do so on their own time and dime.

      All it would take is one story about a soldier or marine dying due to weapon failure, and that program would end pretty fast, though.

  • Ross

    There are a lot of inaccuracies showing up in here, just wanted to throw this out;

    Original contract guns were U.S. supplied 226 models with contrast sites and phosphate or nickel coated internals (some parts are nickel-plated). These guns were originally carbon-steel, folded slides made in Germany with black phosphated slides (HOT BLUE is all this is) and Nitron frames.

    As the U.S. production shifted to railed frames and stainless slides, this is what was still being provided, along with the treatment to the internals.

    The civilian-sold models originally matches the spec. with coated internals. This was changed later to having standard internals, and just kept the gold anchor on the slide.

    This new-contract Mk25 has the coated internals, 1913 rail instead of the Sig rail, and night sights. This is the contract gun and is sold in the same configuration to civilians as the P226 Mk25.

    As far as Sig USA is concerned- MIM parts are being used in Germany too. The older guns were built and finished by hand. Stampings stay in spec for a long damn time. Newer production techniques are making the guns vary a bit more since tooling causes a lot of production issues.

    I have an ’88 226 and an ’08 226 and they both shoot wonderfully, reliably, and have gone thousands of rounds without anything more than an oil change.

    • Sian

      run em wet and sloppy and they’ll serve you forever.

  • elk hunter

    Why can’t the US military buy and use guns made in America by American firms?
    These foreign companies that produce firearms are in countries that have very restrictive gun laws.
    Support and buy only firearms “Made in the USA”! Help save jobs and companies in America.

    • Lance

      They do Colt makes MARSOC 1911s now and S&W sells cops M&P 45s. Beretta USA is made right in Virgina and so the M-9 is US made.

      • Adam

        Its like Cars. Honda may be a foreign auto maker, but they have several factories in Ohio. Most of the Hondas in the USA are made in the USA. Made in the USA doesn’t mean USA owned Brand. Nothing wrong with that.

    • mosinman

      id personally like to see more U.S designs being used by our troops, but lance is right alot of the weapons the armed forces use are made here even if they are of foreign design

      • Lance

        Yes I agree. The Beretta 92 is made here so is the M-21, M-24(2010), M-110, and M-107 sniper rifles are made here. As well as M-4 carbine and M-16 rifles.

    • slavy77

      The MK25 is made in the US in Exeter, NH. The company has some roots back to Europe, but the product is made right here in the US. They have a factory with about 500 workers I believe.

    • Rich_Creamer

      If a Coast Guard helo was pickin’ your ass outta the water would you care that’s it’s made in France? Your semi-patriotic comment/question doesn’t really make sense. In life and death situations I’d like to think that most people would want to use whatever is the best. Lot’s of military hardware is made somewhere else. It’s just the way of the world today. From the Boeing airplane to the reduction gears of a nuclear engine, the actual country of origin is unimportant.

  • Alex-mac

    I read the reason the Navy Seals use the Sigs is that they are the fastest to disassemble. And this is considered important as pistols clog up with sand.

  • mosinman

    i know nothing about sigs, but could someone tell me if the frame is poly or some form of metal?

    • jdun1911

      It depends on the model. Most Sigs frame (226) are made out of aluminum alloy and stainless steel slide. Newer design like the 250 are made out of Polymer.

      I wouldn’t recommend Sig as of this post. There QC has gone down the past few years. Get a Glock or S&W MP.

    • Lance

      I always flet a M-9 was better for a 9mm. BUT a Glock is better than a SiG for heavier calibers. SiG never impressed me as Beretta, Glock, and S&W have done.

    • mosinman

      thanks guys, was just curious. and i dont worry, i cant afford a sig even if i wanted one hahaha

    • fjgiie

      Aluminum alloy 7075-T651 I believe

  • http://[email protected] Charles222

    The SEALs specifically ditched the Beretta due to an incident where one failed to cycle due to sand getting into the frame; they’ve used SIGs ever since then.

    • John Doe

      Yes, there was an incident of an M9 malfunctioning and injuring a Naval Special Warfare operative (didn’t say if he was a SEAL). I heard in DEVGRU, like 1st SFOD-D, they can pick and choose (to some extent) their sidearm.

      I like that approach, even if it may cause a big logistical issue. When a sailor/soldier/Marine draws their sidearm, it’s an instant life-or-death solution, and you don’t want anything but the gun that you’re most comfortable with in that situation. Standardize the caliber and what ammunition to use to abide by whatever laws. Another approach could be to take custom molds during boot camp (not too expensive) for their M4A1/M16 and their sidearm. Make it soft enough to grind/sand/file, so they can customize it further, but tough enough to withstand any situation they’d be in. Our nation’s finest don’t deserve anything less than the finest.

      • charles222

        With DEVGRU or CAG you’re only talking a few hundred operators anyway; pistol ammo isn’t much of a deal (especially with CAG, which as far as I know still mandates .45 1911-type pistols.) Not much of a logistical issue when you consider they’re all rocking 5.56 or 7.62, with a few using .338 and .50.

      • John Doe

        CAG = 1st SFOD-D, right? Haven’t been keeping up with the Army.

        As far as I know, some of those guys are pretty satisfied with the Glock. I would think the SEALs would need a much tougher handgun than the Army, being subject to grimy, watery environments.

      • charles222

        Yes, CAG=Delta.

        When you get down to it, I doubt the SEALs’ requirements really mandate a more rugged/reliable handgun, or weapons in general. They used more or less “stock” weaponry for quite a few years, starting with S&W Model 39s and M16s in Vietnam, and continuing forward from there. DEVGRU issued some fairly unusual weapons (for a military unit) at its inception if Richard Marcinko is to be believed, the S&W Model 66 .357 revolver and the Mini-14 carbine, but other than that, there has not been a great deal of deviation from what everyone else issues as far as I’m aware.

    • Lance

      As far as I seen Glock 21SF and M-1911A1 by Kimber were used by Delta. The Navy as far I know have HK Mk23s and M-9s and SiG 226s in use.

      • s

        I once heard a SeAL joke that the only navy SeAL that uses the mk23 is bruce willis

      • Spectre

        In my day, late Nam, we used whatever we wanted. I carried a Stoner, some carried a M60. I also used a Winchester model 70 in .300 win Mag for sniping, and a Model 59S&W modified just like the Mod 39S&W with a pin that would lock the slide so that if we were firing sub sonic rounds the slide would not cycle and make noise. The 39 variant was called a “Hush Puppy.” My teammates carried whatever they pleased besides our normal combat load out. I remember one carrying a Winchester model 94 lever action 30cal and I also had an Uzi prior to the HK 94G3 also called the MP5.

        I know someone wants to know why the model59? Simple, it fit my hand better, and that is all she wrote. As to the comments about what round is better, the round you can hit with consistently is the best, no one but no one ever argued caliber after they got a tap to the head and a double tap to the chest.

        It is simple, whatever weapon fits you best, is reliable and you can consistently hit with. My next pistol, the mark 25. Why? I can carry it around salt water for extended periods of time and not have to worry about malfunction…end of story!

        • Merlin40

          The Hush Puppy was actually a modified Colt Woodsman in .22. It was fitted with a suppressor, and used to take out high level officials in the North Viet-Nam regime.

  • John Doe

    If I were to pick any 9mm to carry into combat, it would be a P226, Glock 17 or Hi-Power, in order of preference. The M9 is fine, but simply doesn’t feel as balanced as the P226 or Glock. The P226’s track record speaks for itself, and the Glock can be modified to shoot underwater.

    I wonder if SOCOM needs a more powerful round though, it seems that they are trained to double tap to the head with a handgun (Howard Wasdin’s book, section in Somalia). .357 SIG in the Glock or Sig is far superior to 9mm. Our special operations use relatively niche calibers (e.g. 300 Win Mag), so supply shouldn’t be a significant issue.

    • Lance

      Most SOCOM operators use Glock or M-1911 .45s. Strange we have opposite taste in 9mm I prefer the M-9 over a SiG 226anytime. But Glock 17 is my 2nd choice.

      • W

        “Most SOCOM operators use Glock or M-1911 .45s.” …and M9s, SIG P226’s, M11’s, and Mk 23s.” there. fixed that for you.

      • John Doe

        The 92FS/M9 just feels to front heavy to me. The trigger guard feels too snug. The 1911 may be labeled as an antique by some, but it’s a top choice for. I was issued the MEU(SOC) and between that and the M9, it’s not even a contest.

    • Lance

      No I can agree a 1911 is a great gun. Its not obsolete.However a 226 vs a M-9 I like the M-9 its better balanced and is more accurate.

      • mosinman

        for sure, just because the basic design is 100 years old doesnt mean the pistol isnt relevant now-a-days

  • Eman

    When are they going to start selling them and where can I get one

  • Jon R.

    ..one of the aspects of survival taught early on by my drill instructor was attention to detail. I don’t have any idea what the production rate for the P226 pictured above is but QC should have rejected this weapon JUST on the fact that the serial/spec label is crooked. COME ON MAN!

  • waterbug

    THe first thing the navy wanted was a one piece stainless coated slide,coated inside parts. THe rolled welded slides were weak and prone to fail with hot 9mm ammo and they rusted were not used on Navys. Railed Navys were put in service in the 2000,s ,but the standard sig rail was found to be losse on some millspec condiments,so with the mk25 the flat 1913 milspec rail, My new Navy 226 made in Oct.2011 has phospated inernals and nite sites with the sig rail which is rounded slightly not flat like the MK25.

  • Josh

    I bought this because of the true Picatinny rail which will allow more options rather then the standard sig rail. I wish it didn’t have the anchor, because I’m not a seal and I feel kinda silly but oh well. And it comes with 3 mags and I got it for around the same price of a regular p226 so why not!? Wish it had the e2 grip though but I’ll live.

    • Spectre

      The anchor is not a SEAL designation, it is a NAVY designation. SEAL designation would be the eagle, anchor, and trident. Just because it is used by SEAL operators does not mean that it is the only one.

      • Josh

        Touché, sir. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

  • http://none Irv

    The Sig Sauer P226 Navy is for use throughout the Navy and not just a SEAL gun. I’m sure the Coast Guard either has it or will be soon.

    • Spectre

      No the Coast Guard will always have the .40. Reason? They are part of Homeland Security and that was the decided weapon of choice for Homeland Security. HS has a contract for over 400 million rounds of .40 cal so they won’t be changing weapons soon.

  • waterbug

    The Navys allways had one piece stainless nitron coated slides and the early non -railed were phased out in the early 2000,s. When railed 226 Navys were issue in the early 2000,s. The Navy Mk24 and the newer Mk25 are the preferred service pistol not the M9 or over the hill 1911. The welded carbon slides are not used because of there weakness to rust and hotter 9mm ammo.

  • waterbug

    The Coast Guard uses the 40sw not the 9mm Navy Special warfare center Sigs 226 Navys.

  • Recon774

    Actually, the Sig P226 is just a modified Beretta. Smith and Wesson acquired both companies in 1999. Navy SEALs currently use the Walther P22 for it’s lightweight, yet effective punch in .45 ACM. I think I remember my Sargent saying that the US government is working on a deal to put new HiPoint pistols into service starting June of 2012. …too many “know it all” morons here for me. Go back to playing your fairytale little XBox games like Call of Duty, and quit wasting your time trying to sound like a man.

    • Matt G.

      Your entire post made no sense. I can’t decide if you are a complete idiot, or are attempting to satirize the complete idiots with limited success.

      • Mainliner

        when you have a clue pipe in, with life….as for those who did the work, listen. Me not ever where i wanted to be, but close. There is no better mentor if your lucky enough to have one, let alone someone who has been given the god given choice to use it. Listen up. It is a priveldge to own one in lite of the work done represented by a simple anchor…remember that with every magazine you use in defense of your mission or life.

      • Guest

        He’s a complete idiot. Incapable of realizing the satire you mentioned.

    • G3Ken

      Sorry, but just because Honda or whatever foreign companies make cars in our country doesn’t automatically make it the greatest thing since sliced bread.

      Yes, in this present economy, we do need manufacturing jobs, I will give you that. Unfortunately, the REAL big dollars, the profits go back to the country of the corporation. While the workers may spend their money in the US, foreigners are profiting much more so.

      How about America makes quality products that people want to buy and use. We get the best of both worlds. The company keeps the money here, pays taxes here and employs our people.

      We need our manufacturing base. It won’t happen overnight, but is has to be done to avoid our grand kids or great-grand kids growing up in a third world country. That is NOT what America is all about.

  • Recon774

    Just bought a Sig P007 – sweet! It smells like octopussy. It is officially a MK26 in the 2012 Sig catalog. Chambered in 308, it’s the new Navy replacement pistol. Check it out.

  • Recon774

    Ahhh! Bought another new Sig pistol today. It’s the new Sig Sauer P69. .69 cal pistol, shipped new with the new Bromance package. Figured all you faggots are waiting in line for one – so here’s your chance to buy one new in the box!!! This thing will have your fudge packin’ buddy’s back all night long.

  • Spectre

    I don’t know about anyone else, but the boys and me never left our weapons like we received them. Our 6’s depended on the proper function and fit. I spent hours with Diatomatious(sp) earth and a beer one polishing my slide contact points, and the other lubricating me for a terribly boring but in my opinion critical modification. I handed the weapon off to a master gunsmith I knew who has manufactured/modified/machined more guns for spec ops and spooks than carters got liver pills. He did the detail work and we did the grunt work. Amazing what you can do with a weekend of B movies, a case of beer and the number to a local pizza delivery shop. Point is, all this talk about QC is moot for operators, we do not leave anything stock. Don’t know about the new guys, but we broke every rule except interchangeability. The armorers still do their thing, but we are ultimately responsible for what we use. Let me try to put something to rest. I spent a day last week at the range with the local trainers for the Marine Corps, some hot dogs from Quantico, and a few old timers like me in Hawaiian shirts, yet all had the same tool box. What was in it, just about one of every darn thing made, in every caliber, with every different setup possible. I got to play with everything and as many rounds as I liked, it was a day of pure playground bliss. After knocking around bowling pins, golf balls and some funny rubber target, after blasting some crazy pictured targets and steel gongs. After shooting till I was comatose from lead fumes and gunpowder we all left with the same opinion. I liked what was in my bag, and the next guy liked what was in his, and I would not give anyone a snowballs chance in a pizza oven for anyone’s chances at 100 yards in front of anyone on that line. I don’t care what you buy or shoot. Ultimately it is your responsibility to find someone who can help you work out the kinks in whatever you buy, and like it enough to practice your fingers off with. I did not care for a lot of the weapons others loved, but in the end, don’t mess with any of them from the wrong end if someone has taken the time to work out the kinks. If the 226 mk 25 is anywhere as nice as the 229 was to shoot, I’ll put a couple of them in my tool box as well, right next to my Mod59 S&W from the glory days!

  • mlepic

    Sig, Sig, Sig….What is wrong with the Ruger P Series? Especialy the P89. 15rds, Made. In the US of A reliable, durable, accurate,, and parts available right here in the USA . Over a Grand for a pistol meant to give you time to get to a rifle? Get the Ruger for less than half the cost with better durabiity and the best function

    • Chris

      Your a dumbass.

      • evilahole2

        And you have poor grammar so YOU’RE the dumbass.

    • J Croft

      they are shit thats whats wrong with them…

  • G3Ken

    Not actually true. The SEALs of Vietnam used Stoners, when they weren’t issue anywhere else. They used Swedish K’s and even 45 cal “grease guns”. They modified the M60 to an extreme, chopped it down big time, installed a pistol grip and turned an essentially crew served weapon into a one man weapon. I’m not touting the SEALs over any other group, they’ve just been given a lot of latitude.

    As an aside, a previous poster said it would’ve been an eagle, anchor and trident. Not quite right. A trident is comprised of an eagle, anchor, pitchfork and pistol musket.

  • idahoguy101

    The M9 Beretta 9mm is and will remain the Standard US Military sidearm.

    However…. As noted the Navy SEALS use their own P226 pistols since the 1980’s. As they are under the US Special Operations Command. Specials Op’s Command has it’s own purchasing authoring. So they may order small arms no one in the “Big Military” will be allowed.

    Another DOD standard pistol is the less known M11. A Sigarms P228. Essentially a Sigarms P225 with a double stacked 9mm magazine. They are purchased for concealed by Dept of Defense plain clothed law enforcement Special Agents. Of course since it has National Stock Number then it may be ordered thru the military supply system… So M11’s may be being ordered by some Units if their Commanders approve the purchase. Stranger things have happened!

    The US Coast Guard falls under the Command of the Dept of Homeland Security and has a unique Law Enforcement mission. Their sidearm is a P226 chambered in 40 Smith and Wesson and has the DAK trigger.

    • campcarrol69

      Sorry! this comment was meant for Radoguy7. Not idahoguy101.

    • EmmyP

      You undermine your own credibility with the “…is and will remain…” B.S. Things change, get used to it.

  • idahoguy101

    The M9 Beretta 9mm is and will remain the Standard US Military sidearm.

    However…. As noted the Navy SEALS use their own P226 pistols since the 1980’s. As they are under the US Special Operations Command. Specials Op’s Command has it’s own purchasing authoring. So they may order small arms no one in the “Big Military” will be allowed.

    Another DOD standard pistol is the less known M11. The Sigarms P228. Essentially a Sigarms P225 with a double stacked 9mm magazine. They are purchased for concealed carry by Dept of Defense plain clothed law enforcement Special Agents. Of course since it has National Stock Number then it may be ordered thru the military supply system… So M11’s may be being ordered by some Units if their Commanders approve the purchase. Stranger things have happened!

    The US Coast Guard falls under the Command of the Dept of Homeland Security and has a unique Law Enforcement mission. Their sidearm is a P226 chambered in 40 Smith and Wesson and has the DAK trigger.

    • Bill

      The Coast Guard carry the Sig P229.
      SCPO USCG

    • campcarrol69

      It’s refreshing to hear someone finally talk about how shooting in a real life threatening situation. All I read about is how accurate a gun is and how great the sights are etc. The original 1911’s had small weak sights, because they were made for close encounters, where you don’t have time to take aim and shoot. I think going to the range and shooting at targets is fine. But when you actually have to shoot someone most of us are going to point and shoot.

      but like you said when you actually have to shoot at someone

  • Radioguy7

    You guys crack me up, all this talk about accuracy and balance. A side arm is just that, a side arm. In the heat of a combat situation or even a self defense situation do you really think you are going to be standing there in your best stance taking well aimed placed shots at your assailant?? No, if in combat you will be firing off enough rounds to get you to your main battle rifle, not plinking away with a wimpy 9mm. And, if in a civilian self defense role, you will be so hyped up and blood pumping that aiming to shoot just will not happen. Most gun fights in a self defense situation happen within 15 feet and are over with in about five seconds. I agree with what was previously stated, know your weapon, practice and practice some more. All side arms within reason are created equal as they can all take a life or defend a life to be better stated. I think too much thought goes into accuracy at any great distance. My theory obviously can only be proven in a real life scenerio. If the SHTF I will be reaching for my AR or M1A, not my side arm.

    • Sam

      If all sidearms are created equal in a defensive situation then how about you shoot a few rounds through a Hi Point handgun. I prefer to spend the extra money on a gun that works when I pull the trigger, especially when I bet my life on it.

  • Saltlife71

    I was told that you can use two type of ammo for the sig p226 mk25 Navy 9mm and ? I wanted to make sure before I loaded the mags. They sold me a box of 9pm para/Luger for range shooting and a box of 380 low recoil hollow points for the house. Does this sound right or was it an oversite?

    • Sian

      Uhm, no. .380 Auto is not interchangeable with 9mm in any circumstance.

  • Dirites

    Why aren’t there any front serrations on it? As ”latest” version I would have at least expected some improvements…

  • Thumper

    I was one of the crash test dummies in Italy testing the Baretta M9, it added 20% to my (eventual) disability status when it blew apart in my hand. I was a USAF operator. There were a half-dozen of us, same qty of Army guys from Vicenza. We all had serious issues with the things, and later they still made us deploy with them.
    I know nothing of other services experiencing catastrophic malfunctions in later testing (as commented), but not surprised. Unifying the ammo/caliber w/ NATO was supposed to be one of the great benefits. Guess that’s going out the window.
    I know the units sold to the US were NOT the units issued to the Caribineri. Baretta totally hooked those guys up. In Iraq, we quickly swapped our units at the Caribineri armory. We never had issues with those models. Even still, Id never buy Baretta.
    Not being a trend-follower during the Glock craze, my personal sidearm has been a customized S&W 5904 for many, many years. Very happy with it.

  • Dave Riegler

    This civilian version isn’t even close to the NSW stuff. This has talked about in depth on socnet.com.