AAC ‘Honey Badger’ .300 BLK PDW

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The Advanced Armament Corporation had their new Honey Badger on display at the AUSA expo. The PDW style AR-15 is chambered in .300 BLK AAC and features an ultra-short 6″ barrel and retractable stock. It is designed to be a quieter and more versatile substitute for the H&K MP5SD. It was designed with the subsonic .300 BLK loads in mind, but is a compatible with the more powerful supersonic loads.

[ Many thanks to TenPoundMonkey for photos and info. ]

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  • charles222

    Dang, it even looks a ton like an SD.

  • Bob Barker

    I wonder what the opinion would be from an operator specializing in naval boarding considering the CQB environment with the possibility of needing to fire across the deck. Although I suppose you’d have sniper support in situations like that.

    • Sian

      Aim high? I’m expecting a rainbow-like trajectory similar to that of the 9×39 subsonic (actually not quite as bad as that) with a heavy round though it should track fairly true.

      • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

        well, you need to compare apples to apples- this is made as a direct MP5-SD replacement, so comparing the 220gr subsonic rifle bullet to a 115gr 9mm bullet- you’ll get more power at range with the rifle bullet, and it will keep velocity better than the pistol bullet.

        If you need to reach out at all, you can use supersonic ammo and engage out to a few hundred yards… Supersonic will get you something in the area of 7 to 9 inch drop at 200yds.

  • Sid

    What level of body armor has the .300BLK defeated (tested/rated)? It seems to me that AAC has solved a lot of issues if the .300BLK defeats plate armor at close distances.

    • Sian

      With a heavy bronze solid at subsonic or something similarly nasty, it aught to be effective enough.

      Despite being AR derived, this looks kinda neat.

      • subase

        It being AR based could be seen as a plus, especially in military circles, since familiarity with the M4 and AR SBR’s is a given and training with them directly translates to this weapon, no need to operate a different weapon system. (MP5) Weapon cross training baby!

        It’s only real deficiency would probably be weight at the front this slows down point speed. Hope that suppressors titanium. From the looks of the light weight handguard, they seem to be conscious of this.

        And nice job with the stock, many would have not bothered, it’s nice that they made the effort. A fully integrated, compact, very rugged stock by the looks of it, that also appears to be a counter weight too.

      • jdun1911

        I probably defeat all softbody armor. Standard in these type of rifle cartridge. It will not defeat hardbody armor. It doesn’t have the velocity.

    • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

      if you really need to penetrate even hard armor- they are working on a SLAP round for 300 BLK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvxq7-Ior-g

      • jdun1911

        I’m pretty sure the .300 BLK isn’t design to penetrate hard armor.

      • charles222

        Jdun, did you even watch the damn video he provided? It went right through the plate.

  • JC

    That looks like the New Magpul MOE-K grip on it

  • Cameron

    Question.

    Why is it pretty much every new gun coming out these days is something built on top of an AR lower? Are companies just getting lazy with designs and just want to use the AR lowers kicking around, or is there some reason?

    This isn’t a case of operator familiarity, as I don’t think any military is truly going to buy this gun.

    • Tinkerer

      Well, one thing that the old AR-15 platform has in favor is it’s ergonomy. Of course, I’d prefer if the selector switch was larger, ambidextrous, and with a shorter turn between sets -45ยบ turn from safe to semi, and the same to auto is too much, I prefer the H&K type in that regard-, but holding an AR-15 is pretty easy and natural. Also, since the patents to the AR-15 have expired, it cuts down in costs if you just modify this now “open source” design instead of designing and building one from scratch.

      Now, I don’t know what they did with it’s gas operating system. It looks like a standard DI system which I don’t trust with carbine-lenght 5.56×45 setup, but maybe the pressures are less critical with subsonic .300 ammo.

    • Sian

      The AR lower has good ergonomics minus the charging handle (near perfect if you add some choice mods) and is a reliable and well understood platform. Anyone with any training knows how to run one, and of course then there’s the available accessories.

    • jdun1911

      Like the other poster said, it has one of the best ergo if not the best ergo rifle in the world.

      It takes a lot of money to actually create a new type of rifle that does the same thing as the AR15. The tooling up will cost them millions. It makes no sense to spend that money knowing full well they might only sell less than 100 PDW a year.

    • Nadnerbus

      Also, the lower is the serialized, DROS and NICS required part of the firearm. Since everything else is just easily ordered parts, the market is freer to improvise on that common lower.

  • KLP

    So does that mean that the engagement ranges for .300 BLK is less than that of 5.56×45? I hear the term “rainbow” a lot when people talk of 7.62×39, and if this round duplicates those ballistics than it seems to me like a round that introduces more drawbacks as improvements. I understand it’s meant to be a suppressed round, with capabilities to go supersonic and do well, but such specialized rounds are hardly able to get widespread usage. I mean, 5.56×45 doesn’t even do subsonic yet they are pretty widely used in suppressed applications.

    If you can load up a .300BLK to have at least the effective range of 5.56 then I’d be pretty excited about it. If it could start talking to 6.8 SPC or even 6.5 G then, hell.

    • noob

      I wonder if somebody could work up a combat optic configured for subsonic .300 Blackout. With some kind of Stadiametric rangefinding reticle like the russian scopes.

      line up your target out to the theoretical max range of 300 yards, adjust your hold according to the stadia and lob a round their way.

      then for close in, use the optic as a red-dot.

      Either that or have bullet drop compensation with an elevation knob (which is slower but more precise) and an offset red dot for close in.

      • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

        Robert (silvers) with Leupold has been developing a 300 BLK-specific scope with reticle that is calibrated for both supersonic and subsonic. One side of the reticle has subsonic drops, and the other has supersonic drops. No adjustment needed.

        @KLP – 300 BLK is a shorter-range round than 5.56×45. It depends how you define ‘effective range’.. 300 BLK supersonic rounds can remain supersonic out past 600 yds, but I think 300 is probably the realistic useful range.

        And the US mil still claims that the M4 is ‘effective’ at 600 yds.

        But, the point of the 300 is to provide quiet/effective subsonic performance and then just with a mag switch be able to reach out a few hundred yds. All with a larger projectile than 5.56…

        If you are realistically regulary engaging living targets past 300, 400 yds, then 6.8 is a better choice.

  • Flounder

    Just a quick question. Is this a piston or a DI? The tube is awfully short for a DI rifle but if it is a piston then why is the tube there at all? Just my initial thoughts.

    On another note…
    I like this idea! It takes what I see as all the benefits of the 300 BLK and capitalizes on them! But I do have to say it looks like AAC is just trying to get a big contract for their fun little round. It seems like they are trying to get it to go mainstream. Course who can blame them? They want their pet round to be a success!

    • http://suburbansdomain.blogspot.com/ Suburban

      You’d still need to have some room for a recoil spring and the bolt carrier with a piston-op AR. I doesn’t look like they relocated the recoil spring to under the handguard.

      • Flounder

        Thanks JasonM and suburban! Your right about having to have some space for the carrier to move back to. For some reason I was thinking they would redesign the carrier to be shorter so the buffer tube would not be needed. I think I was looking at vertical bolts like the one on the steyr ACR and the TKB-022.

    • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

      It’s DI

  • jonesy

    Might as well carry a .357 for all the velocity you’ll get with a six inch barrel.

    • Sian

      .357 with a 30 round magazine and select fire? and quiet?

      This is acceptable.

      • ParatrooperJJ

        Supressed 44 mag.

    • Tinkerer

      Actually you raise an interesting question. What muzzle velocity and energy can you achieve with .300 BLK subsonic ammo from a 6″ barrel? Is it better than you can achieve from, say, a hot .45 ACP with similar bullet weight and in the same barrel lenght?

      • subase

        Not just muzzle velocity, weight and SHAPE of the bullet too. A subsonic .45 acp ain’t penetrating jack. In fact, .45 ACP is easily stopped by light IIA soft body armor.

      • 18D

        It’s not just a 6 in barrel. It’s designed to be used with the suppressor attached. So you have a 6 in barrel added to the length of the suppressor. Velocity should be substantially higher than a .45 acp.

      • Tinkerer

        @18D

        Considering that the job of a supressor is to absorb excessive gas pressure in order to supress the boom of the supersonic wavefront, I frankly don’t see how the extra lenght of the supressor would be of any help accelerating the bullet beyond the 6″ barrel.

      • 18D

        A suppressor is ALWAYS going to add velocity over not having a suppressor. The suppressor acts as extra barrel length would.

        This suppressor looks pretty long, so I would think you would see over 100 fps increase, if not more. Accuracy increases with a suppressor as well.

      • Flounder

        18D the suppressor usually doesn’t add enough velocity to make a difference. And the whole point of a suppressed PDW like this will probably be special ops where they would probably use subsonic ammo. I say this because when 300 BLK is run at supersonic loads it mirrors almost perfectly 7.62×39. Uses the same bullet weights and sends them at the same velocities and they are really close to the same diameter. But I think that the field for 7.62×39 suppressed PDW is a very crowded one and you can find much better options than the honey badger.

        Subsonic 300 BLK ammo is 220gr bullet at 1000 or 1050 so almost exactly the same as a 45 +p round. except smaller diameter bullet. Oh and the rifle can be FA, dang quiet, and has a 30 round mag… Or a 60rd or a 100rd one since I believe 300 BLK can be used in the new surefire mags.

        Sounds like a great ccw gun! :D

      • 18D

        Sorry brother, but a suppressor that long Is going to add quite a bit to the speed of the projectile. The operator will have the choice of whatever ammo he wants and therefore will probably choose what’s most effective for the job. That being said, in the CQB role, subsonic might be used in favor of being quieter. I don’t see the point though, of using a subsonic load in this weapon for reasons that you stated already.

      • G

        @ 18D

        According to Remington the muzzle velocity of 300 BLK subsonic ammunition is 1,070 fps from a 16″ barrel and 1,010 fps from a from a 6″ barrel.

        http://300aacblackout.com/resources/PDS%2021502-%20A300AACM8%20300%20AAC%20BLK%20220-gr%20OTM-1.pdf

        I think you are overestimating the effect of suppressor boost. If a 10″ longer barrel doesn’t push the muzzle velocity beyond the speed of sound then it’s pretty safe to assume that the suppressor on the Honey Badger won’t do that either.

      • tango uniform

        rifle round vs. pistol rounds???

  • Jake

    Nice gun, but Honey Badger don’t care.

    • JT

      The Honey Badger meme would work a lot better if this was chambered in 556, seeing as you can’t really say the gun will eat any ammo you throw at it, given that AAC is a specialty round with relatively few producers of ammunition.

      • JT

        Watch it fire in slow motion, oooh what’s that on its rail? It’s pretty badass.

      • 18D

        Why would AAC build a 5.56 gun? The whole point of this gun is to show the abilities of the .300 BLK.

    • Admin

      Well, it’d be kinda funny if the original “Honey Badger” YouTube video had much to do with the naming, given the guy’s voice (NSFW): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

  • Jason

    looks cool… if you like the receiver it’s a MEGA (i think anyway)

  • Lance

    Like it for sniping close quarters at night this would be a Al Qaeda officers worst nightmare. However there are just a few MP-5 and 7s in SOCOM usage and mostly for Maritime operations in ship combat where rifle bullets bounce too much inside of a ship. So good for sniping yes, replacing a SMG not really.

    • 18D

      This gun Is definently NOT for sniping! WTF?

    • JDub

      You’ve been playing too much Call of Duty friend… Join the rest of us in the real world please

  • Matt G.

    I REALLY like that stock. Is that an AAC design or will someone be producing it for aftermarket?

  • charles222

    KLR-There are subsonic 5.56mm loads in 87 and 100 grain variants.

    • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

      Sure, but they won’t cycle the action of an AR that is setup to shoot ‘regular’ supersonic ammo. Plus, like you said they are 80 or 100 gr bullets, versus the 220gr subsonic of the 300 BLK.

      • charles222

        I was clarifying that subsonic 5.56mm loads do exist. So yeah…what’s your point?

    • Other Steve

      His point is that subsonic 223 is probably the most pointless round in existence.

      • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

        yes

  • http://www.bottlesandmore.com Jim

    I love the stock, but the fact that it is called the Honey badger makes me love it even more.

  • 6677

    Don’t like the colour but the concepts pretty cool otherwise, stocks quite interesting, when collapsed I think it looks like a buffer tube from an AR pistol with a buttplate glued to it. Interesting to see how long it extends to and if its quick adjust, there looks to be a button on the side so I think it probably is quick adjust.

    • Megan H

      LOVE the color. Dear Santa, please grant me a Honey Badger, and a tax stamp.

      Thanks,
      Megan

      • Anubis

        the gods must grant you two tax stamps, perhaps even three, for this beauty. short barrel, silencer, and I have not seen one yet that did not have a giggle switch.

  • W

    honey badger…he’s eating that snake and doesn’t give a s—t…

    That makes for a gnarly PDW in my opinion. certainly more effective than the 5.7 or 4.6mm rounds in kinetic energy and range.

  • subase

    Only real deficiency is length, it’s probably a couple of inches longer than a MP5SD, a real problem when room clearing. Someone should really put this into a ambidextrous bullpup. Or maybe a square suppressor would help make it shorter.

    • http://www.tenpoundmonkey.com JasonM

      It’s actually almost 3 inches shorter than an MP5SD (both with stocks extended)

      • 6677

        what about collapsed.

        I have no doubts that collapsed its more than compact enough anyway.

  • GlockBuyer

    Some of the comments above are amazingly foolish and ignorant. All it takes is the most basic understanding of combat arms and history to realize the significance and benefits of the 300 AAC BLK. Go to http://300aacblackout.com/ for full details. I don’t work for AAC – but I do appreciate the advantages of using the 300BLK from the local target range to the battlefield.

  • damian

    Dear Santa………..

  • Sid

    Then what is the purpose of the 300 BLK if it does not defeat plate body armor?

    The US military along with all major militaries must use ball ammo. I am not a fan of that but it is what it is. I thought the purpose was a better punch. But if it does not defeat plate armor, what are we looking at? 5.56 has a subsonic round and application. Why design a PDW and its own round?

    • Matt G.

      None of the mid range rifle rounds penetrate plates unless they are specifically built too(SLAP projectiles and the like). That is the point of plates, to stop rifle calibers.

      Subsonic 5.56 wouldn’t do much to a coyote let alone a human being, and they don’t cycle semi auto platforms. The BLK is designed to allow a standard ar design to cycle subsonic rounds(with heavier bullets that acually have punch), and also cycle full power rounds with more punch than a 5.56 or 6.8(with shorter barrels) without any changes to the firearm.

    • Dave

      Actually, the supersonic rounds which can be applied with the change of a magazine, are capable of penetrating levels 1-2 and (at a closer range) level 3 body armor, most probably not level 4, however.

    • 2stangs

      This will not be used by “conventional” units, which use ball ammo exclusively. If you believe that we play by all of the rules, you are mistaken. Also, .300 blackout subsonic delivers a 220 grain projectile, as opposed to the 147 grain subsonic for the 9mm. It is about better delivery and transfer of energy. I am sure that they can design a supersonic ap round for the blackout as well, if they haven’t already. It isn’t completely about velocity, but the materials used in the projectile as well. Blackout is nothing more than a 5.56mm that has had the neck expanded to accept a .30 cal projectile, which allows you to use the same bolt face/ carrier as the M4. Though .300 blackout is a new round, it doesn’t take much modification on either the ammo manufacturers end, nor the readily available parts for these rifles that have been out for years now.

  • Ajay

    I’d rather get the new SMG coming out from Zastava Arms, it’s the Cinnamon Wolf, it’s caliber is 221 Fireball, it also comes with a 1 inch barrel, bipod, and full set of furniture by Command Arms, and optic by NC Star naturally.

  • John

    As long as the rounds are not DU! Semper Fi do or die ooh ahh!!!

    • bob

      id just like to call you out marines say semper fi but would never say ooh ahh so just one of my pet peeves i have to correct that when i see it

      • Andrew

        Right, they say oorah.

  • Bladez 0f Fury

    So when does the California Edition come out? ;D

    I’m just messing. Nothing like this will ever be allowed in California ever again… I wish things would go back to the old america!

    But anyways the gun looks amazing and sounds amazing! I was leaning more towards the Long hand guard version, but now, I’m liking the short hand guard better :) Anyways Great gun with a great design that bridges the gap between ShitP5SD and AR15. You can really tell the whole MP5 styled Hand guard and stock but this looks 100x’s better! (and has a way better round in it ;D)

  • Ty

    i hope they come out with a canada legal version! oh wait… we can barely have semi-auto rifles with long barrels :{

  • M

    So, when is this going to be on the market?

  • http://www.gharsamsar.net/Technology.asp?fenlei=outlet outlet

    Oh I get it like humor but different