Bundeswehr G28 Designated Marksman Rifle

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Strategie-technik reports that the Bundeswehr have adopted the H&K MR308 rifles and designed it the G28. THe H&K MR308 is an AR-10 style weapon. The G28 has a chromed-lined 16.5″ barrel (16.5″ is the new standard for DMR rifles, 18″+ is last century). Fully loaded with optics, it will weigh in at 17.4 lbs. H&K will also be suppling a conversion kit with a shorter and lighter barrel.

The rifle will be issued with a specially designed 3-20×56 Schmidt & Bender scope. An Aimpoint Micro T1 is fitted atop the S&B scope as a backup or close-quarters sight. Ammunition, designated 7.62mmx51 DMR, has been designed specifically for the gun.

I find it especially interesting that the Bundeswehr are adopting a Flat Dark Earth-like color for the new rifle. Brown is the new black.

[ Many thanks to Clairon for emailing me the info. ]


Steve Johnson

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  • cal

    what is with the shift from rifle length barrels to carbine length barrels? The powder behind most .308 isnt fully burnt up at 16″. I would imagine the same can be said for most barrels under 20″. And purely an aesthetic opinion, from an m14/garand guy, that thing is fugly. that being said im sure the german military has thoroughly thought through their decision.

    • El Duderino

      If they had gone with a desert flecktarn I might have fallen in love.

      To everyone saying they wouldn’t want to hump this rifle around — when expecting combat firepower trumps weight. Sure there will be complainers on a training exercise but not for the real deal, not in today’s professional armies…

    • Marc

      It won’t shoot just any 7.62 ammo but a load tailored for it and its barrel length.

  • 032125

    My condolences to the shooter that has to lug that thing around. Hopefully they will be attached to a motorized unit.

    Brown is indeed the new black. I never liked black anyhow (it has absolutely no advantages, and several disadvantages) but it’s sometimes hard to find gear in a good green (ranger, foliage, sage, etc).

    If a manufacturer offers anything in two colors these days, those colors are inevitably black and flat dark earth, the couleur du jour.

  • jdun1911

    They need to drill more holes into the rail to lighten it up. Hate to hump that thing.

    • iHAL

      They need to drop a lot more weight than that.

  • wpnfxer

    you have any idea who makes the shroud for the T1 Micro?

  • charles222

    The DM needs a rifle that provides enhanced accuracy at long range while not being completely worthless at close range; this is why the 16.5-inch barrel is being adopted more. The SEALs started this, as far as I can tell, with their 16-inch M4-based “Recce Rifles”; the extra inch and a half of barrel gives ALOT more oomph without much additional length, and with alot less potential clumsiness than a 20-inch barrel, which does not give much additional velocity anyway:

    http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/m14-m1a-talk/48794-socom-16-muzzle-velocity.html

    One of the posters put up comparisons on the M-14 and M1A “SOCOM 16″ with the same rounds; the biggest velocity loss was with Federal Tactical Urban at 132fps. The other three were 81, 104, and 119 fps. These are not significant velocity losses when you’re talking about 150 to 168 grain loads, particularly when you consider 7.62 NATO is compatible with alot more bullet varieties than any military currently uses; a good example is the Mk 319 SOST 130-grain load, which features twice the bullet weight of M855/M855A1 and sizzles along at 2900fps (IE same general velocity as the 5.56 out of an M4, but with 100% more mass). That is one killer bullet!

    http://www.thektog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=241945

  • http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Tony Williams

    Any details available on that DMR ammo?

    I suspect it might be the RUAG ‘Swiss P’ range, but it would be nice to have confirmation.

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      Tony, no I don’t sorry.

  • ThomasD

    I don’t think the barrel length is a big issue. With 7.62×51, semi-auto, and military ball powder you are probably looking at about 50 fps difference at the muzzle – at most. At the intended ranges this is negligible – adding an inch or two to a two foot holdover at 400 meter doesn’t really change things. Overall Shooter competency (or the converse) matters substantially more.

    I’d be most concerned about muzzle flash (if the powder is not fully consumed prior to the bullet leaving the barrel.)

    • http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Steve (The Firearm Blog)

      The ammo may have been designed for 16″ barrels in mind.

      • 18D

        Steve, I just wanted to add my observations on this issue. Iam a school trained sniper and did a lot of T&E at NSWC-CRANE. We tested a number of different barrel lengths in the 7.62 guns to see what kind of performance degradation we could expect. Using MK 316 MOD 0 ammo, we found that going from a 20 in. to a 16 in. barrel netted a loss of less than 65 fps. The loss in velocity was even less when going from 24 in. to 20 in., with an average loss of 11 fps for every 1 in. of barrel. We got outstanding accuracy out to 1100 yards with the 16 in. barrel, and the projectile stayed supersonic out to almost 1150 yds. Snipers
        should be able make effective hits out to 1000 m with a 16 in. barrel rifle in 7.62 NATO, and out to 1200 m with the standard 24 in. barrel.

        On the subject of powder consumption. We noted that 12 in. barrel 7.62 guns did not exhibit excessive flash or blast using MK316 and MK319 ammunition. Not a scientific test by any means, but the 7.62 is a cartridge that burns powder very consistently from what I have seen. The 7.62 x 51 NATO should not have any noticeable increase in muzzle blast/flash out of a 16 in. barrel as opposed to a longer barrel with the same ammo and muzzle device.

  • 18D

    Smart move on the 16 in barrel. The modern sniper is a new breed, and that means a new way of looking at sniper rifles. The 7.62 cartridge is no longer a bolt gun cartridge. The 16 in barrel will still get out to 1100 yds with accurate effective hits. I have participated in many evaluations on barrel length for the 7.62, and the 16 in barrel is the way to go for a semi-auto sniper rifle.

  • Jeff

    I see this AR-10 derivation finally got around the patent issues and has a forward assist.

    Also, I see people who will have trouble shouldering this 17lb rifle – correct me if I’m wrong but its just shy of weight the same as an M60E3

  • Pete

    Fugly is the short answer, followed by a second on the outrageous weight. I’m far from an expert on German or H&K rifles, but both the PSG-1 and G3SG1 both weighed dramatically more than the stock rifle.The shorter, lighter barrel makes sense if the G28 will be deployed as patrol rifle.

    The placement of the image intensifier so near the end of 16.5″ barrel makes me question the lifespan of the tube without a very effective muzzle device. I’d think you’d be picking grains of unburned powder off the lens of a $15k tube.

  • cal

    just a quick comment, who in the hell thought it was a good idea to mount a night sight half an inch away from the barrel. 17,5 pounds of rifle cant do much good if your shooters are blind ones.

  • Brian P.

    Is this a joke? It weighs more than 17 lbs.! You might as well be carrying two rifles! They even put a damn sight on top of the scope! And is that all even one scope? It looks like one scope positioned in front of another! That, and the use of such a short barrel for a “Designated Marksman Rifle” is absurd! This whole thing looks like a huge mess, and I can’t possibly see this going over well with the poor guys who have to lug this damn thing around.

  • David

    This looks like some pimped out Zombie gun some geek threw together for Halloween. It just needs a splatter shield and a machete.

  • Flounder

    It’s an interesting concept and I think it is meant to fill a role that none of us has thought up yet. I’m sure build quality is amazing but 17 pounds!!!! You could carry two SCARs for the same weight. Just to put things in perspective. That’s hugely fat. Obese even. Maybe it’s all the tacticool stuff attached to the rifle. I don’t mean to be hatin on the germans but everything about this rifle says range toy and not serious combat rifle. But like I said earlier maybe it serves a purpose that we are not privy too.

  • subase

    The M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle weighs 16.5 lbs, (M14 based) in this G28 they must be including the weight of the accessories. The thermal scope, aimpoint and the laser aiming module are primarily what tips the weight. Probably a loaded magazine too. Still heavy but in the range of similar DMR rifles like the M110. (15.3 lb but 20 inch barrel)

    Saying that they really should make more holes in that front rail.

    Also the rifle is a mixture of dark flat earth, tan and black.

  • Nadnerbus

    The ubermensch of the German army must have less issues with weight than the rest of the world’s army. That thing is a pretty hefty pig for a DMR rifle. I have an 18 inch bull barrel DPMS LR308 that I thought weighed a lot, but I think I’d rather lug it around than this beast. Sometimes Less is more. IMO, they should ditch the forward rail, the backup red dot, and anything else weighing it down that isn’t critical. Bi-pod can be mounted to plastic hand guards. Peq 2 or equivalent can go on a gas block rail system. Anything to slim it down.

    That’s according to this arm chair mall ninja anyway.

    • Killian

      Mounting to plastic handguards ruins accuracy, as does mounting to the gas block (vertical stringing, loss of zero).

      The way to do this gun right would be with A .308 Troy-type rail, no need for all those side and bottom rails.
      Also, ditch the shroud on the Aimpoint, and turn down the barrel profile to like .850 until the gas block, then .750 forward, fully-fluted. The quality of the steel is the most important feature, and the quality of manufacturing.

      Probably a lighter mount too, looks heavy and large.

      A weapon of equal effectiveness could be made for about 13 pounds, I’d bet.

      • Nadnerbus

        I just wanted a reason to use the word “ubermensch.” I forgot about the lack of free-floating and accuracy for the hand guards. Yeah the troy or maybe the Daniel Defense modular rail would be good to give you just enough mounting points while keeping weight down.

  • 543

    How many of the previews posters have actual experience with the HK G26 DMR rifle? (no offense) Probably none of us, so why are we judging a rifles effectiveness that none of us has experience with and that already passed HK and Bundeswehr trials? I know one thing if HK ever introduced this rifle into the U.S civilian market it would sell like hotcakes and I would line up to buy one if it is as accurate as my HK MR556A1 is. Also most of the U.S. Military issue DMR rifles with all the attachments included weigh either around or are over 17.4 lbs if I can recall from my experience.

    • SoulTown

      Pardon me for asking, but I never understood the point of MR556A1. If you want an accurate AR, why not get a DI one and save tons of money? If the whole point of piston/op-rod thing is reliability and durability, then what the hell is HK doing sticking a non-chrome-lined barrel on the gun?

      • 543

        SoulTown
        It wasn’t an easy decision to purchase a $2500.00 rifle but now that I have one in my opinion the HK MR556 is the most well build (finish, tolerances, steels etc.) AR type rifle out there. Exceptionally accurate, super reliable, feels a lot smoother when fired than any other DI AR-15 rifle I own like every component of the rifle works in perfect concert. I have fired close to 2,000 rounds of various .223/556mm ammo thru it and have yet to experience any issues with it. As to the non-chromed barrel this rifle was designed with accuracy and reliability in mind and HK feels that chrome lined barrels decrease accuracy. I personally don’t care either way but some of the things that HK did do like a tapered bore(increased accuracy,velocity), 6 lands and groves, 1:7 twist, heavy contour swagged barrel, cold hammer forged hardened steel barrel, set this rifle apart from the others. Another wicked cool feature is also you can put the hammer down on safe unlike any other DI AR-15. Now if your weight sensitive as some of the posters are on here, stay away from it because it does weigh 8 1/2 pounds but that doesn’t bother me since I shoot mostly M1 Garands and Springfield Armory M1A’s.

  • http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Tony Williams

    @Charles222

    The last I heard a year or so ago, the MK319 had been switched from 130 grain to 155 due to user preference, but I don’t know if it’s actually in service.

    • charles222

      Tony-not that I think you’re lying, but, link? Literally everything I’ve found describes it as 130-grain.

  • MeAgain

    Isn’t there anything else that they could hang on this rifle?

    • Joe Schmoe

      A laser? You would figure they would have put that on before the flashlight…

  • Tierlieb

    It is very reassuring that foreigners believe our military put a lot of thought into this. Rest assured… they probably did not. But let’s see:

    1. 16.5″ barrel length is a good idea for DMR purposes. Remember, this is for extending the range of a small squad, not sniping. And .308 runs pretty nice in 16″ barrels, as opposed to, say, .30-06, where the love for longer barrels for the .30 calibers comes from.

    2. The scope is wicked cool as sniper scope but not a DMR one. It is too long, placing the NV too far at the front. It is too heavy. The high resolution is unneeded for DMR purposes.

    3. The reddot is made necessary by the inconvenient scope.

    4. Bipod and foregrip? A combination like the T-Pod might be a lighter solution. Personally, I wonder if a DMR rifle really needs a bipod. This is not for sniping.

    Just putting a compact scope like a Elcan Specter DR (either the 1x/4x or preferably the 1.5x/6x version) would allow for removing the reddot, moving the NV out of the muzzle area, shortening the front rail… and still this would be one heavy rifle.

    All together this is an inconvenient hybrid between DMR and sniper rifle, combining the worst traits of both (weight of a sniper rifle with shorter range of a DMR).

    At least, we got an AR-10 system and a nice adjustable stock.

    Note: The basic color of body and scope is, of course, not flat dark earth, which would be way too compatible with existing equipment, but RAL 8000, yellow-brown, a standard base coat for desert ops (only) since WW2. So the body might be repainted for other areas.

  • Leonard

    I wonder what this costs per piece. A custom MR308 costs nearly 3000 € on the German market, and that is without any fancy attachments or a scope. I bet if one wanted to “re-create” his own G28 by modifying a MR308, it would cost around 5000 € at minimum. (And yes I am aware that the Bundeswehr probably got a better price, I’m just thinking about what it would cost for a civilian shooter)

  • Clodboy

    I’d imagine they’re going to issue a directive to only use the image intensifier tube in conjunction with a suppressor. I’d even say it’s likely that one of the reasons for going with a shorter barrel was to keep the total length manageable even when using a bulky suppressor.

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  • Tinkerer

    I believe some of the haters have to read more closely on the article:

    “Fully loaded with optics, it will weigh in at 17.4 lbs.”

    That means, with day scope, night scope, red dot, laser. And maybe with full magazine, front grip, and Harris-lookalike bipod.

    Remember, most of that stuff is detachable, and meant to be installed in a need-to-use basis (so, no night scope and/ or laser on day ops, no bipod when airborne -or carry it on your pack when not in use), etc.

  • Scott

    “The “basic” DMR (i.e., without secondary sight, magazine, sling, basic issue items, cleaning gear, suppressor and bipod) weighs 11 pounds (5.0 kg) or less.”–wiki

    There’s at least 5lbs of scope alone on that thing . Seems pretty par for the course weight-wise for the .308 if the article is correct, “Fully loaded with optics”.

    • Nadnerbus

      This sounds more reasonable. Good catch.

  • Rob

    Im curious how HK never decided to make a G36 variant in 7.62, seems like everyone is just running to an AR10 these days for their DMR needs, woulda thought for logistics making a rifle with parts from the G36 would have been more preferable
    oh well just my two thoughts
    It looks neat
    And to the brown being hte new standard, maybe it’s cause there’s mroe dirt than there is coal covered landscapes, or we’re no longer fighting on Iwo Jima’s beaches ;)

  • Yves Bonnet

    “16.5” is the new standard for DMR rifles, 18″+ is last century”
    i’m getting old…

  • Mountainbear

    I think it needs more scopes. Maybe some under the barrel, too.

    Sorry, but this smells like the gunship they bought (and then had no money for missiles, so it’s now a support helicopter instead of an attack helicopter), or the RPGs (where some regiments can fire 12 of those per year.) The German government hasn’t made the best decisions in the past few years when it comes to the BW, to put it mildly.

  • gir6543

    lol i’m glad they added a flashlight. i was personally hoping for an iphone mount, maybe next gen…

  • Lance

    Looks cool. Its strange while some Army brass hates the M-110 most nations are adopting a version of one.

  • snmp

    That’s a Semi auto DMR Rifle for an max range of 400 meters like the SVD Dragunov

  • SoulTown

    Didn’t SIG SAPR win that contract?

  • Russ

    That’s really a spec ops sniper rifle and not a DMR. Infantry units use a DMR to flesh out their organic firepower and range as most other guys use a 5.56 and lack 500+ range.

  • A Nonny Mouse

    I admit I don’t know what the demands of combat are as I’ve never been in combat or in the military for that matter, but wouldn’t a bolt action rifle or two in a squad, carried in addition to the infantryman’s service rifle fill the need of designated marksman just as effectively as this rifle? Like a Remington 700 with a 20″ barrel (which weighs roughly 7.5 lbs).

    • charles222

      A Nonny Mouse-Well, I’m an 11-B/light infantry NCO with four deployments; your idea would just be too slow. A big part of DMR is *rapid* precision, not necessarily range; it’s being able to kill a potentially fleeing opponent in a dense urban environment. Plus of course 7.5 pounds of Rem 700 + 7-odd pounds of M4=14 pounds or so, so you might as well just carry a single weapon in that weight category and not have to worry about transition shooting when you’re needing to be precise.

      Tinkerer-nobody dismounts a laser during the daytime; it’ll become unzeroed.

      • Tinkerer

        Huh, go figure. And here I was thinking that the whole idea of Picatinny rails was to attach and detach optics without losing zero. You learn something new every day.

      • Matt G.

        Tinkerer.

        The point of rails is to allow accessories to be installed and removed easily. Some accessories are guaranteed to keep zero within 1moa. Some are not. But nobody recommends removing and reinstalling an aiming device without rezeroing if you can avoid it. Most guys keep their laser aiming devices and flashlights attached during the day because most don’t have quik detach mounts and nibody wants to be fiddling with an allen wrench in the battlefield. And I’ve know very few people who remove a Harris style bipod when they may not be using it unless it’s simply a range toy.

    • Nadnerbus

      Also an armchair general with no service, but I gather that most troops are not excited about carrying two rifles, two sets of mags with two different types of ammo. Bolt guns are best for highest accuracy at longer ranges, whereas self loading rifles sacrifice some of that accuracy for faster follow-up shots, something that is more important for a Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR). They can also be useful in a firefight as a regular fire and maneuver assault/battle rifle, whereas a bolt gun not quite so much. Anything requiring longer range and higher accuracy would fall to the specialized snipers (in theory).

  • http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Tony Williams

    @charles222

    “Tony-not that I think you’re lying, but, link? Literally everything I’ve found describes it as 130-grain.”

    I definitely noted at an official military briefing I attended (probably at NDIA 2010) that they had received feedback that 130 grain was felt to be too light for the MK319 and 155 grain would be preferred, but it isn’t on the published Powerpoint displays as far as I can see.

    Maybe the weight increase never made it into production for some reason. I’ll do some digging and will come back if I can find out more.

    • charles222

      @Tony-Interesting; why the weight increase, I wonder? This is something of an apples and oranges point, but the 5.56 SOST & related M855A1 don’t have weight increases over traditional 5.56mm.

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  • http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Tony Williams

    @charles222:

    “why the weight increase, I wonder? This is something of an apples and oranges point, but the 5.56 SOST & related M855A1 don’t have weight increases over traditional 5.56mm.”

    They don’t, but 130 grains is very light for a military 7.62mm. The weight of the standard NATO ball bullet (M80) is around 145-150 grains, so 155 is closer to that.

    So far I have been unable to discover any source which says anything other than 130 grains for the MK319, although most of them date back to 2009 which predates the time of the comment I’d heard. I’ll drop a note to my friendly contact at ATK…

    • http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Tony Williams

      Aha! I have just received confirmation from a good source in the USA that Crane are working up a 155 grain version of the MK319 – current status still being clarified. Evidently I was a bit ahead of myself…

      • charles222

        Interesting-thanks, Tony.

    • http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Tony Williams

      Further information on the heavy MK319 – it would have been made a bit longer with a boat tail added, but it didn’t succeed in getting funded.

    • 18D

      Tony I would like to comment on the use of the MK 319 and its lighter wieght projectile. Iam a consultant at Crane and have worked closely with this ammunition type.

      The development of the MK 319 was originally in response to the SCAR program. The SCAR program called not only for a new weapon but also an enhanced ammunition. The desired characteristics of the enhanced ammo

      • 18D

        continued from above-
        came from studies done by the Joint Service Wound Ballistics. Since the MK 319 was specifically being developed for the SCAR, it was decided that enhanced barrier penetration, accuracy, and lighter recoil were the most desirable performance characteristics. Since lighter faster rounds penetrate barriers better, a lighter projectile was considered. In addition, a solid copper design similar to ATK’s law enforcement ammunition was chosen for the ultimate in penetration. Understand that copper bullets will almost always be lighter than standard bullets of the same length, and have similar performance if not better.

        The MK 319 was developed with the SCAR as a system. The lighter round was optimized for the shorter 12 in. and 16 in. barrels used for CQB. The lighter load achieves lighter recoil in the short barrel SCAR, has a higher velocity for better penetration, and achieves better terminal performance. Furthermore, the projectile design is not yaw dependent, and the powder was formulated for the shorter barrels. The MK 319 MOD 0 was optimized as a cartridge for the modern short barrel fighting battle rifle.

    • charles222

      Tony-thanks for the search. Just how is 130 grains light for a military 7.62?

      • http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ Tony Williams

        130 grains is significantly lighter than any ball loading for a full-power 7.62mm military round to have seen regular service. That excludes the short-ranged intermediate-power assault rifle rounds like the 7.62×39 AK, of course.

        Historically, the minimum weight for a ball bullet in a full-power 7.62mm cartridge has been around 150 grains. The NATO M80 is already about the lightest, at 145-150 grains.

  • xVIPERxAP

    This is basically a HK-417 correct? I thought the Bundeswehr decided the 417 was far to inaccurate and failed trials….

  • Lance

    Fact is for SOCOM they can use any ammo they want this new round or they can go with M-80 ball or M-118 sniper ammo its up to the operator.

  • tiredWeasel

    Afaik there’s still no issued “DMR”-ammunition. It’s still under development.
    As for the rifle – there are still problems with the scope mount (it breaks after a while) and the accuracy (the short barrel is taking it’s toll). Not to mention, that this thing has a really impressive muzzle flash and blast.
    In my opinion it’s a waste of money.

    The DMR-ammunition is going to have a 10,5 or 11g bullet. For now they are searching for a very precise batch of the old DM111 (9,5g FMJ, tin-plated) to cover the time until the new DMR-round will be ready.

    How do I know this? I spend a good time of the last few months firing prototypes for the DMR-rounds with different loads, powders, primers and so on ;)

    • Matt G.

      The idea that shorter barrels are less accurate is a myth. Shorter barrels are inherently MORE accurate due to the reduction in barrel whip/harmonics.

      If the gun is inaccurate it is due to other factors

      • tiredWeasel

        You may be right. But the accuracy was tested with an accuracy barrel – not with the rifle itself. So in this case it IS the shorter barrel – the longer G3-barrel achieved much better results.

        “Shorter barrels are inherently MORE accurate due to the reduction in barrel whip/harmonics.” – I think that’s a myth – in some cases its true and in other it’s not. Depends.

      • Matt G.

        It depends on the quality of the barrel. But if you had two barrels of identical quality the shorter one would hold the tighter groups. Obviously a high quality long barrel will shoot better than a lower quality short barrel. Other factors are bullet stabilization, crown uniformity, and the fact that slower projectiles are more influence by wind.

      • G

        @ Matt G.

        “But if you had two barrels of identical quality the shorter one would hold the tighter groups.”

        And yet benchrest shooters, like Jackie Schmidt, seem to use quite normal barrel lengths on their benchrest rifles:

        http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/07/triumph-in-texas-jackie-schmidt-shoots-0-1118-5-target-agg-at-100-yards-with-30-br-best-in-history/
        http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/12/jackie-schmidt-tests-new-imr-8208-xbr-powder/

  • William C.

    So the Germans militarized a civilian version of the HK417 which they were offered previously? That doesn’t seem to make much sense. It looks like it has a heavier RAS than the standard HK417.

    • subase

      Perhaps this adoption is just a cost cutting measure not an increase in capability. The G3 based MSG-90 DMR compares favorably with the HK417/G28 except in price.

  • Vtb

    Why not a 1-8x scope on it? Clearly the gun is for 400-800 meters envelope.
    I don’t understand the tendency – if shooting solution weights 17.4lbs – how much rounds will be able the soldier carry?
    The effective load is around 25-30kg. 5kg is 5 liters of water. Leaves 25 kg. Shooting complex is 8kg – leaves 17kg. .308 round weights 25grams – 400 rounds weights 10 kg… Leaves 7 kg. 3 Mre – 5 kg.. Leaves 2 kg…
    In these 2 kg soldier should pack all armor, pouches, plastic bags to shit in etc…

    Or to take less ammo… Semi-auto is to fire-at-will… It will be 17.8lbs fancy baseball bat…

  • Big Daddy

    It looks like a rifle looking for a job. It’s neither a sniper rifle nor a DMR.

    It’s heavy and looks very clumsy.

    Something that nobody mentioned is a simple way to end this all. By using one of the new or making a new round like the 6.8mm or 6.5mm or something in between. From scratch it can be designed like the 6.8mm to be used with short barrels yet have ballistics close enough to a 7.62mm NATO and not much heavier then the 5.56mm.

    You eliminate the need for this rifle completely, also SMGs/PDW and any other short barreled weapon or longer barreled rifle that needs to be shot at distances up to say 400+ meters. Also there would be no need for specialized rounds other than for accuracy.

    Yet all the armies are tied to the 9mm, 5.56mm and 7.62mm. None works out to be the optimum cartridge for what’s needed on today’s battlefields as proven time and time again in Iraq and Afgan.

    I think the Brits got it right with their LMT AR-10 L129A1, the perfect solution.

  • Ed

    The 7.62 NATO is a required caliber if any NATO member wants something that hits harder. The 5.56 is still a low powered rifle cartridge and that is the way assault rifles will always operate as a compromise weapon. The MP5 is the supreme 9mm sub and the 7.62x51mm NATO is the desiganted markmaninship rifle, still far more accurate than the SVD in compatable 7.62x54R. Too many have become spoiled, expecting 1/2 inch groupings that are not necessary in the real world.

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